Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

May 30, 2010

Try a piece of flea collar in bag to.

>

> Yes,agree with floor care...I can get away with bleach(vinyl tiles)but if I

don't mop daily I will get bitten..I've used ammonia,too with good results...I

just try to keep all windows and doors open..that's a good idea to " slosh it "

around the cracks..also do put some boric acid in my vacuum ...always the danger

I suppose it will hurt the machine...(just can't afford a new vac bag each time

so have to kill what's in the bag)

>

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> From: " Goldstein@... " <Goldstein@...>

> bird mites

> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 11:58:41 AM

> Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a

budget

>

> Jess,

>

> Mopping the floor with very hot water, Borax and ammonia really killed all

activity of mites on the floor for me. I know ammonia is " toxic " but it really

did the trick for me. I did that almost every day for weeks on hardwood, and

put a lot of water on because I wanted it to penetrate the cracks between the

boards. Just a thought.

>

> Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a

budget

>

> Hi guys,

>

> I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> condition.

>

> I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

>

> I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid? ), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> add if there's important ones I'm missing.

>

> Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> which have

>

> been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

>

> Thanks a lot!

> Jess

>

May 30, 2010

Marie, it would seem many of us have the sick house syndrome or did at one time. Although I haven't tried the MMS as you have suggested in the context of house trtmts, I am definately keeping your suggestion on the back burner in case I do eventually try it.

I went another route with my house, someone mentioned vacuming the ceiling and walls in addition to the floors. I do the same thing. I have a gem of a vacum, its an allergy targeted vacum that detects particles down to the size of dust mites, and alarms, and is loaded with hepa filters. Didn't cost me an arm and a leg and I just love it. I actually need another one, as they boys broke it a couple of years ago, and its so powerful that if you have to run over the cord, it sucks it right up and chews it to pieces. Love it!!! So my cord is fixed with electrical tape all over it and the boys broke the on and off switch. Still an absolute gem.

Also, in my environment, someone else mentioned menthol crystals. This was very helpful to us during our first birdmite infestation and during the most recent one, I didn't have any, lost my job, so I used some leftover peppermint oil instead. Very helpful.

This is very interesting in what everyone is using.

Frito

From: healinghope <mfrreman@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 2:02:52 PMSubject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Your welcome Rose. I did 10 drops 3 times a day under tongue. I beleive there was a link to lyme and my infestation infections also. I also think for ME that sick house syndrome was a part of the issue to.http://ezinearticles.com/?Do-You-Have-Sick-House-Syndrome? & id=888182--- In bird mites , rose <auberginedream777@...> wrote:>> I just went on a Lyme site and at least 4 of the ingredients in the Virarapbac are on the list of top 10 herbs and supplements...I do believe it is necessary to take some form of antibiotic..if only a natural one...I found it very helpful to research Lyme disease last night.I had read before but now I am making it more of a study...to me this sounds very useful...Thanks!!> > > > ________________________________>

From: healinghope <mfrreman@...>> bird mites > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 11:39:12 AM> Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget> > > Rose cats claw is a natural antibiotic the best herbal antibiotic cocktail I have taken since sick with lyme and what ever else was VIPARABAC PLUS, from wolf creek ranch, not cheap though. at wolfcreekranch had me on a morgellons study with the herbs. This may have helped with healing. I am including all the links of herbs I took for a 3 month course. MMS was introduced after the 3 months and I started it internally then started the skin treatment also. > http://wolfcreekranch.net/viparabac_plus.html> VIPARABAC PLUS contains organic herbs: Mustard Seed, Olive Leaf, Black

Seed, Pau D'arco, Cloves, Grapefruit Seed Extract, Alcohol, & Distilled Water.> http://wolfcreekranch.net/adizone.html> Adizone contains organic: Slippery elm, peppermint, spearmint, yarrow, jergon sacha, wild cherry bark, cats claw, hibiscus flowers, valerian root, rose hips, garlic, yucca root, alcohol, and distilled water. > http://wolfcreekranch.net/derma_nerv.html> Derma NERV contains organic herbs: lemon balm, yohimbe, skull cap, nettle, wood betony, alcohol, and distilled water> http://wolfcreekranch.net/life_cell_support.html> Life Cell Support contains organic: sheep sorrel, burdock root, rhubarb root, slippery elm bark, blessed thistle, red clover, water cress, alcohol & distilled water.> > > >> > Yes,that sounds good the Cat's Claw...isn't it a natural antibiotic ?not sure...> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@>> > bird mites > > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:50:46 AM> > Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget> > > > > > Uh, actually, I have been taking Cats Claw for quite sometime, and really Samento is the TOA free form of Cats Claw. Where as Cats Claw in its unadulterated form contains the TOA's. I have taken both forms and had better results with the unadulterated form, Cats Claw, not Samento. I take about 9 grams a day, that I

encapsulate myself. The debate about which Cats Claw is more effective centers around the TOA free and unadulterated forms.> > > > See my post here.> > > > http://lymebusters. proboards. com/index. cgi?board= supplements & action=display & thread=12915> > > > It was my thinking the reason herbs can be sometimes more powerful than meds, is that the meds we take are based off of a single component of a herb. When they start taking out differing components of the herb, then the herb does not have the synergistic components to build off of, and most certainly affects it effects on the disease in question.> > > > Most certainly not an argument against you using it or suggesting it, just a different viewpoint. I do know of others whom use Samento and claim it helps. The thing is, with Samento, in order to get 9 grams a day, there just isn't enough money to do it and it lacks

the other components I was after. The link I provided explains this further.> > > > Frito> > > > > > ________________________________> > From: "Goldstein@ comcast.net" <Goldstein@ comcast.net>> > bird mites> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 9:23:58 AM> > Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a budget> > > > > > Hi Jess,> > > > IF you have Lyme Disease Cat's Claw is important, but the best would be Samento because it is the more concentrated form. Not just any Cat's Claw will do. I've taken that for a year now.> > > > I don't know about the rest of them. > > > > > > > > Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a budget> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys,> > > > > > > > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the> > > > > > different products that can make a big difference in improving this> > > > > > condition.> > > > > > > > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of> > > > > > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear> > > > > >

everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a> > > > > > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just> > > > > > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.> > > > > > > > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards> > > > > > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid? ), (e) oregano oil, (f)> > > > > > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)> > > > > > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please> > > > > > add if there's important ones I'm missing.> > > > > > > > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness> >

> > > > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if> > > > > > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can> > > > > > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.> > > > > > > > Thanks a lot!> > > > > > Jess> >>

May 30, 2010

Oh yes, laundry detergent. I use either Tide coldwater, my fav, or A & H and always combine with white vinegar. The White Vinegar can be bought by the gallon at your local walmart grocery for about 2 bucks. CHEAP. I used to wash with oxy and borax in the hottest water possible, and although I did have improvement, we don't have ANY problems with laundry now. I have found cold water has the effects on those black specks of them just letting go of the material, instead of becoming embedded within it.

I steam our tile floors with a steam shark I bought long ago. Otherwise I swipe with febreeze floor cleaner, also at the grocery store for about nine bucks. No problems.

Frito

From: bobbyboyd99 <bobbyboyd99@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 2:15:53 PMSubject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Jess, I read the 'flavored" pinesols are less effective than the regular formula, which has a higher pine oil content.I use the oxy A & H powder detergenthttp://www.walmart.com/ip/Arm-Hammer-Powder-Fresh-Scent-Laundry-Detergent-Plus-Oxi-Clean-Stain-Fighters-11.73-lb/11027509I add a little A & H washing soda and Borax to every load.>> Hi Noreen,> > Thanks a lot for the suggestions!> > I do have a question: I can't find the arm & hammer in powder form, except for the oxy one, would that be ok to use?> I am currently using the liquid form with bleach (safe for colors), but only as a laundry detergent, just because I could never find the powder one.> > The #1 you mention for shower with

essential oil, what kind of oil would that be?> > I have tried tea tree diluted lightly in water, and I was shocked that it did nothing for me! I guess my mites are very resistant. Same thing with the sulphur 8. I felt had wasted my money. The minute things dry, the mites are right back, so I had to resort to putting a layer of oil on the floor. That was the only thing that stopped them, up until the oil dried.> > I've been using pine sol orange, but again, it works well till it dries. The mites will be right back soon.> > Is the Dessert Essence Tea Tree Facial better than Dr Bronners soaps? I've been using eucalyptus for now. I still have mites with that, but who knows if I didn't use it.> > Thanks a lot for all the info!> Jess> > > Sent on the SprintÃ‚Â® Now Network from my BlackBerryÃ‚Â®> > Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget> > Ã‚ > Hi guys,> > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the> different products that can make a big difference in improving

this> condition.> > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of> the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear> everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a> dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just> not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.> > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards> water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)> MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)> denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please> add if there's important ones I'm missing.> > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness> which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if> anything

for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can> afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.> > Thanks a lot!> Jess>

May 30, 2010

Anu water has also been reformulated and intesified in strength two times since

it first came out. It just keeps getting better and better.

> > > >

> > > > Hi guys,

> > > >

> > > > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > > > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > > > condition.

> > > >

> > > > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > > > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > > > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > > > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > > > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> > > >

> > > > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > > > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > > > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > > > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > > > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> > > >

> > > > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > > > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > > > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > > > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot!

> > > > Jess

> > > >

> > >

> >

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May 30, 2010

Maybe keep the vacuum outside if you have a place for it to be outside to store it. We covered the end of the vacuum with tape after each use too. Even leaving it in the hot sun is good. I sprayed mine on the outside with Windex too. But I DID change the bag often, not daily, but probably once a week. Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a budget> > > Hi guys,> > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the> different products that can make a big difference in improving this> condition.> > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of> the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear> everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a> dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just> not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.> > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards> water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid? ), (e) oregano oil, (f)> MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)> denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please> add if there's important ones I'm missing.> > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness> which have> > been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if> anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can> afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.> > Thanks a lot!> Jess>

May 30, 2010

Hi Jess,

Sorry I didn't see your message until now.

Yes, the A & H powdered detergent is harder to find now that there are so many HE washers that take liquids. Unfortunately, the liquid just doesn't cut it. I did see it on amazon, which could be ok if you order many things through them as well. The oxy version might be ok for the environment, but not sure how it would be on your skin or for soaking. The ingredient you want is Sodium Carbonate (slightly different than Sodium Bicarbonate which is baking soda). Sodium Carbonate is also sold two other ways: 1. as another A & H product called Washing Soda. 2. as Sodium Carbonate used somehow in swimming pools. If you are in NYC, the latter might be hard to find. I see the Washing Soda in local Grocery stores near where you would find Borax, Biz etc. Where I live some people with small children like to make their own

laundry soap and use Washing Soda as an ingredient. If you can't find any of these, or are at your wits end I would be happy to send you a box so that you can see if it works for you..let me know.

In laundry, it is especially helpful to add either the non-chlorine bleach (the liquid ones with hydrogen peroxide as their main ingredient) or 3/4 cup of hydrogen peroxide from the drugstore. I find that the regular HP from the drugstore is more economical..I can find it on sale quite often.

If you really need to use a liquid detergent for your washer I would suggest buying a product called DeMite. It is sold on many allergy websites as a laundry additive for dust mite allergies, and contains 29% Benzyl Benzoate, a very effective scabicide. It is great, but not necessary if you use the A & H powdered with 3/4 cup HP. What the DeMite is good for is if you need to wash a few things in cold or warm water, or not dry them in a hot hot dryer.

The essential oil I mention in #1 is really just if you get tired of the detergent smell. Many people have said that they find the unscented version of the A & H powdered detergent effective, but I have found that the scented versions work better..they aren't really bad, but it is nice to vary it. The essential oils that I have used are ones that have either antiseptic, astringent, antibacterial or repellent effects; clary sage, oregano oil, peppermint, lavender and rosemary are some that I've used. Be sparing if bathing with the peppermint oil, it is cooling for the itch, but if you use too much you can be cold after a bath. All are good if you are carrying it around as a spray.

About the tea tree oil, I haven't used it with water, but have added it to a thicker oil like jojoba oil, along with a more penetrating oil like grapeseed oil. I find that it works best for me as a one-two punch kind of thing. I have heard that tea tree oil can bring mites to the surface if they have burrowed but doesn't really kill them on its own, so I have used the tea tree mixture on the skin first followed by the sulphur ointment. Also, my skin is pretty sensitive to both tea tree oil and sulphur, so diluting the tea tree in oil was a must for me, and adding the Pomada de Azufre sulphur cream on top of the affected areas worked well because it then wasn't too strong for me. Tea tree oil hasn't been my first line of treatment, but used in this way it was effective for me. I had tried it earlier on, and hadn't noticed great results, but later I tried it

again and did. It was that way for me with many treatments, the ones I abandoned early, I tried later and they worked for me. So, I would suggest you try the things you haven't done yet, but if you have some product that didn't work, don't throw it away, it might work for you later.

I only use the Sulphur8 on my feet, for two reasons: 1. it has sulphur but doesn't make them peel, and I can put tons of it on, put footies over it. Some of it soaks into my feet and some of it soaks into the footies acting as a repellent while I sleep. I have heard that you absorb things really easily through the bottom of your feet, so I was a little worried about strong sulphur there too. If you have any left over, you might try it this way..especially after spraying on some hydrogen peroxide. I did this after I had cleared my environment, and gotten rid of my car, and moved to a new clear space..I was shocked that my feet were miteland, I had been focusing on the spots that I could see up to that point.

For the pine-sol, go with the original stinky version when you run out. Or mop with the arm and hammer for a while until it is under control. The A & H leaves a film, but eventually you can wash that off. Depending on what your floors are, you can do different things. If your floors are tile, mop with some diluted bleach followed by dry baking soda, let sit, then vacuum or sweep up. If carpet, literally dump a layer of dry A & H detergent on the carpet like a dry shampoo..that stops them in their tracks. Let it sit for a day, then vacuum. If you later want to use a Rug Doctor, enough residual detergent is left in the carpet, so that you don't have to add detergent, only a little pinesol and hydrogen peroxide with hot water.

The Dessert Essence is probably better than the Dr. Bronners. I looked, and the name of the one I used is "Thoroughly Clean Face Wash". When this first started, and I had mites crawling on me in the middle of the night, I actually squirted some in each ear (just the outside part of my ear) and rubbed some up my nose to keep them out. (ah, the good old days :-)) What I like about it is that it is mildly astringent which is bad news for mites, not filmy and not drying. They are a reasonable but high quality product line, with most products around $8. The people at my local vitamin emporium who are very picky, like this line for the purity of their oils. I have used their tea tree and jojoba oils also. They have their website, but are available thru amazon too, and can be found in grocery stores selling organic food. With that said, if money is tight, and the skin on your face is not getting too

affected with what you are using, just keep this in mind when you run out of Dr. Bronners.

Good luck with this..

Noreen

From: "helpnynow@..." <helpnynow@...>Bird Mites Newsgroup <bird mites >Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:02:36 AMSubject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Hi Noreen,Thanks a lot for the suggestions!I do have a question: I can't find the arm & hammer in powder form, except for the oxy one, would that be ok to use?I am currently using the liquid form with bleach (safe for colors), but only as a laundry detergent, just because I could never find the powder one.The #1 you mention for shower with essential oil, what kind of oil would that be?I have tried tea tree diluted lightly in water, and I was shocked that it did nothing for me! I guess my mites are very resistant. Same thing with the sulphur 8. I felt had wasted my money. The minute things dry, the mites are right back, so I had to resort to putting a layer of oil on the floor. That was the only thing that stopped them, up until the oil dried.I've been using pine sol orange, but again, it works well till it dries. The mites will be right back soon.Is the Dessert Essence Tea Tree Facial better than

Dr Bronners soaps? I've been using eucalyptus for now. I still have mites with that, but who knows if I didn't use it.Thanks a lot for all the info!Jess

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From: Noreen <couldbebetter@ rocketmail. com>

Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:34:51 -0700 (PDT)

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Hi Jess,

I haven't tried a lot of what you mention here except the denorex shampoo (the medicated 2 in 1 formula is the one I really like), If I knew what I know now, this would be my shopping list from the beginning -all but a few are inexpensive.

1. Arm & Hammer powdered laundry detergent or washing soda. In bath with hydrogen peroxide and a couple drops of esssential oil. And for laundry with liquid all-fabric bleach (also hydrogen peroxide based). I also used this sprinkled generously all over carpets, let sit a day, then vacuum. This was the first thing that showed dramatic results in clearing my environment.

2. Hydrogen peroxide 3% from drugstore. This has multiple uses. Used as above, and also used in a spray bottle with lavender, peppermint or oil of oregano essential oil to wipe down plastic mattress & pillow covers. The same formula can be used in a fine mister spray bottle in the car, for whenever you feel a crawlie and to wipe down your steering wheel and dashboard (especiallly if you have mystery white specks there). If you live in a warm climate you can add a tiny bit of coconut or jojoba oil to that mix to make it less drying to the skin. I also used this straight to spot treat my skin, soak the spot with it for 30 seconds, wipe the spot with a kleenex, and repeat 3 times. The spots would usually bubble up white indicating either mite activity or infection..this would help clear it up for me.

3. Sulphur 8 medicated anti-dandruff hair and scalp conditioner. This stuff is thick like vaseline, and has some sulphur in it, but not so much that your skin is peeling off. It is inexpensive too and found in many drugstores. It worked great for me to rid them from my feet. Before bed I put a generous amount of this on my feet, then put on cotton footies. I didn't realize for a long time that I had so many hiding in my feet.

4. Grisi Sulphur soap (I haven't tried the new hope soaps, but this is WAY cheaper, found in hispanic section of many drugstores, or on-line). Use like regular soap in shower and bath.

5. 100% tea tree oil. Add a little to shampoo and conditioner. Add a little to jojoba and grapeseed oil and use as body oil, letting it sink in before applying sulphur ointment below:

6. De la Cruz, Pomada de Azufre sulphur ointment. Also found in hispanic section or on-line. It is a small jar, but spreads far. Use everywhere except most delicate skin areas.

7. Betadine povodine/iodine cleanser. If eyelids become a problem or for spot treating delicate areas, this works quickly. Wet area with water, blot lightly, apply cleanser carefully, let sit for a minute, then dab off with a wet washcloth or kleenex. Be careful not to get this in your eye.

8. Dessert Essence Tea Tree Facial Cleanser. This stuff lasts and lasts, and really works to keep them off of your face, chest and neck.

9. Keys MetaCare Healing Therapy. For when your skin is a little tired of the other treatments, but still needs protection/repellan t. This is a bit of a splurge at $20. but it lasts a long time, has a high percentage of neem oil and a lot of other good stuff - smells good too. If you have trouble with your eyelids their Eye Butter is great too.

10. Cedarcide, "Best Yet". This is a bit of a splurge too, but works better than anything for certain environmental things!!! It lasts longer if you use the personal mister they provide rather than the trigger sprayer. I just order a quart at a time, not their full environmental thing. Spray inside shoes. For keyboard & cellphone, spray on kleenex to wipe them down (I use their personal mister and spray lightly directly on my laptop keyboard, while covering air vents, but do that at your own risk). Keep a personal mister of it in the car and give it a spray before entering and to have on hand for emergencies. I have sprayed it on clothing also and haven't had any lasting spots or damage from it. If you call them to order see if they will throw in a few extra personal misters for free -they are good to use for other things, like #2 above.

11. Pine-Sol or Hexol. Perhaps this is the poor man's cedarcide. These two products are made with pine-oil and cedarcide is made with cedaroil. Great to have a sprayer bottle of this on hand, mixed with water. Works to clean hardwood floors, all surfaces, and mattress covers. I also had good results using this in an extraction type Bissell rug shampooer after doing an arm & hammer dry detergent floor treatment & vacuuming (or you could use a rug doctor). Pine-sol is a staple in a lot of Hawaiian homes for it's effectiveness as a disinfectant with fungus, mold and bugs.

12. Arm & Hammer Shower Cleaner Spray (the formula with bleach). Really effective in clearing the shower or tub areas of mites, mold etc. Be careful what you are wearing when you use this!

13. Denorex 2 in 1 medicated shampoo & Selsun Blue medicated shampoo with selenium sulfide. These are good to start with, in rotation, when the mites are really bad. The special anti-dandruff shampoo mentioned recently looks like a good alternative to these two..has great ingredients, but I haven't tried it.

I'm now looking at a few others..Theraneem Treatment shampoo, Keys Treatment Shampoo, and Dessert Essence Therapeutic Treatment Shampoo. All look like they would have effective ingredients for the stage I am in now.

hope that gives you some ideas. ask me questions if any of this is unclear.

Noreen

From: jessnyc <helpnynowgmail (DOT) com>Birdmites.org Website <bird mites>Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 5:09:47 AMSubject: Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a budget

Hi guys,I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all thedifferent products that can make a big difference in improving thiscondition.I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part ofthe protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to heareveryone's take on what specific products and supplements have made adramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or justnot that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willardswater, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid? ), (e) oregano oil, (f)MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so pleaseadd if there's important ones I'm missing.Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectivenesswhich have

been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much ifanything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I canafford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.Thanks a lot!Jess

May 30, 2010

Hi Healing Hope,

Is the lye soap (mentioned in your message for the Lye Soap Lotion) the Fels Naptha bar soap? Or is it another type of bar soap? I have a bar of Fels Naptha, and have never known what to do with it.

I like the "Soaps gone buy" website. I can find the A & H Washing Soda at my local grocery, but a lot of people can't.

Thanks!

Noreen

From: healinghope <mfrreman@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 11:13:39 AMSubject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Fels Naptha and Lye Lotion cook some borax in to until infestation is over.http://www.soapsgonebuy.com/LAUNDRYIf you want really nice clean smelling laundry and want to keep the colors bright and your whites white you cannot beat our original soap. We just scrape a few flakes off the edge of the bar and add it straight to the washing machine when doing wash. Not only does it keep the clothes bright and good smelling but it removes several types of stains such as grease, it is great for that ring around the collar and the sweat stains in the hat band. On some of the more stubborn stains you may need to take a bit of your Lye Soap lotion and rub in a bit before throwing it in the washing machine.LYE SOAP LOTION - HOW TO MAKE IT ( same process to make shampoo, dish soap and plant spray as well )To make a lotion out of the soap it is really very easy. In

fact it is a good way to recycle those small pieces left over from the shower. To make the lotion just take several small pieces and mix them with water. We recommend you use either a spring water or a distilled water. Something that has the impurities removed. Especially if your using the lotion for a skin allergy or something of the like. They put so many things in city water any more you don't know what you may be mixing into your lotion thus maybe even irritating your condition further. Also you may need to add a little heat when trying to get the soap and water mix if the pieces are really hard. Not much heat just a bit. Anyway just mix in enough water and stir it until you get the consistency you want for your lotion or dish soap or shampoo, whatever it is your making the mix for. Now be sure to put your mix into something relatively air tight so it won't dry right back out. If you need to take it with you in your purse or something just get a

small squeeze bottle or a zip lock bag that your sure won't leak. We have also been told if you thin down the solution enough you can use it as a plant spray to keep unwanted bugs away from your plants.WHAT MAKES LYE SOAP SO SPECIAL?Actually what makes our soap special is because what it is - it is All Natural. It is simply water, lard and lye. All natural products. We do not add any hardeners, fragrances, perfumes or dyes, etc. The soaps we do offer that you can smell comes from all natural oils to create that wonderful memory of Grandma's place. In fact the main special ingredient in our soap comes from the natural process called soponification. The process that takes place when the soap is cooked properly creates a wonderful glycerin content that nearly all commercial soap makers separate out and sell off to cosmetic companies and such. We don't do that - we leave it right in the soap like it was meant to be. We believe the glycerin

to be the natural healing ingredient that makes lye soap so special and also helps keep the wrinkles away.>> Hi Noreen,> > Thanks a lot for the suggestions!> > I do have a question: I can't find the arm & hammer in powder form, except for the oxy one, would that be ok to use?> I am currently using the liquid form with bleach (safe for colors), but only as a laundry detergent, just because I could never find the powder one.> > The #1 you mention for shower with essential oil, what kind of oil would that be?> > I have tried tea tree diluted lightly in water, and I was shocked that it did nothing for me! I guess my mites are very resistant. Same thing with the sulphur 8. I felt had wasted

my money. The minute things dry, the mites are right back, so I had to resort to putting a layer of oil on the floor. That was the only thing that stopped them, up until the oil dried.> > I've been using pine sol orange, but again, it works well till it dries. The mites will be right back soon.> > Is the Dessert Essence Tea Tree Facial better than Dr Bronners soaps? I've been using eucalyptus for now. I still have mites with that, but who knows if I didn't use it.> > Thanks a lot for all the info!> Jess> > > Sent on the SprintÃ‚Â® Now Network from my BlackBerryÃ‚Â®> > Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget> > Ã‚ > Hi guys,> > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the> different products that can make a big difference in improving this> condition.> > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of> the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear> everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a> dramatic difference and which ones

have been a waste of money or just> not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.> > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards> water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)> MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)> denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please> add if there's important ones I'm missing.> > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness> which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if> anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can> afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.> > Thanks a lot!> Jess>

May 30, 2010

How do you make your own soap? Thanks

> >

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > condition.

> >

> > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> >

> > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> >

> > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> >

> > Thanks a lot!

> > Jess

> >

>

May 30, 2010

How do you make your own soap? Thanks

> >

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > condition.

> >

> > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> >

> > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> >

> > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> >

> > Thanks a lot!

> > Jess

> >

>

May 30, 2010

I dont know if I can afford the anu water or if I even should but

please tell me where you get it and how expensive is it? I will start on the 3

point program but today when I got up this morning

I had a burrow that look just like I had been cut with a knife

it is almost a foot long.... I have never ever seen one like that before. I

know that I need to improve. I live this day in and day out with no one to talk

to about this except you guys and I need all of your help. thanks

> >

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > condition.

> >

> > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> >

> > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> >

> > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> >

> > Thanks a lot!

> > Jess

> >

>

May 30, 2010

Hope what lye soap do you buy the plain, lemon or lavender? Will either one of

those work?

> >

> > Hi Noreen,

> >

> > Thanks a lot for the suggestions!

> >

> > I do have a question: I can't find the arm & hammer in powder form, except for

the oxy one, would that be ok to use?

> > I am currently using the liquid form with bleach (safe for colors), but only

as a laundry detergent, just because I could never find the powder one.

> >

> > The #1 you mention for shower with essential oil, what kind of oil would

that be?

> >

> > I have tried tea tree diluted lightly in water, and I was shocked that it

did nothing for me! I guess my mites are very resistant. Same thing with the

sulphur 8. I felt had wasted my money. The minute things dry, the mites are

right back, so I had to resort to putting a layer of oil on the floor. That was

the only thing that stopped them, up until the oil dried.

> >

> > I've been using pine sol orange, but again, it works well till it dries. The

mites will be right back soon.

> >

> > Is the Dessert Essence Tea Tree Facial better than Dr Bronners soaps? I've

been using eucalyptus for now. I still have mites with that, but who knows if I

didn't use it.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for all the info!

> > Jess

> >

> > Sent on the SprintÂ® Now Network from my BlackBerryÂ®

> >

> > Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a

budget

> >

> > Â

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > condition.

> >

> > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> >

> > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> >

> > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> >

> > Thanks a lot!

> > Jess

> >

>

May 30, 2010

Jo. The anu water is expensive. But it is effective. You sound likke you are having some pretty bad things going on. The lady that has helped me so much is Trisha Springstead. She started ESP botanicals because she has a true heart for people experiencing this. Her email address is espbotanicals@.... She is a wealth of information and has made it her mission in life to be an advocate for us. Her phone number is 352-544-8111. Call her and tell her what is going on. She is a very kind and caring person. She will direct you in what you need to do. She also has an incredible soap so don't try to make your own. The time and effort is not worth it and it won't be nearly as good as hers. There are some BIG EGOS on this site that like to criticize anything that is not their idea. Those are the people you need to stay away from. I truly hope you get the help you need. I

only direct you to this route because this is where I found genuine care and the direction toward my healing!! God bless. Speedy recovery!Sent from my iPhoneOn May 30, 2010, at 7:05 PM, "jo_btc" <jo_btc@...> wrote:

I dont know if I can afford the anu water or if I even should but

please tell me where you get it and how expensive is it? I will start on the 3 point program but today when I got up this morning

I had a burrow that look just like I had been cut with a knife

it is almost a foot long.... I have never ever seen one like that before. I know that I need to improve. I live this day in and day out with no one to talk to about this except you guys and I need all of your help. thanks

> >

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > condition.

> >

> > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> >

> > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> >

> > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> >

> > Thanks a lot!

> > Jess

> >

>

May 30, 2010

I use my own lye soap just plain no fragrance. I do use peppermint leaves in my

olive oil, place 1/4 peppermint leaves in 1/2 cup olive oil. I use a canning jar

you need a lid on this. Every 3 weeks change out the leaves. Make lye lotion use

plain or add flower of sulfur. Take soap shavings add luke warm water fill

blender 1/2 full add soap blend 1/4 bar shaved. I make a concentrate using 1/4

bar shaved this makes a gallon of liquid soap for me. Then add flower of sulfur

if you wish.

Fels Naptha Take 1/3 cup shaved naptha in sauce pan add 6 cups water bring to

rolling boil, be careful not to boil over. Cook for several minutes turn heat

off add borax and 6 more cups cool water. Keep stirred and covered, can be used

right away. I use 1 cup to large wash with wash soda, I will also add lye if

clothes may be infested.

> >

> > Hi Noreen,

> >

> > Thanks a lot for the suggestions!

> >

> > I do have a question: I can't find the arm & hammer in powder form, except for

the oxy one, would that be ok to use?

> > I am currently using the liquid form with bleach (safe for colors), but only

as a laundry detergent, just because I could never find the powder one.

> >

> > The #1 you mention for shower with essential oil, what kind of oil would

that be?

> >

> > I have tried tea tree diluted lightly in water, and I was shocked that it

did nothing for me! I guess my mites are very resistant. Same thing with the

sulphur 8. I felt had wasted my money. The minute things dry, the mites are

right back, so I had to resort to putting a layer of oil on the floor. That was

the only thing that stopped them, up until the oil dried.

> >

> > I've been using pine sol orange, but again, it works well till it dries. The

mites will be right back soon.

> >

> > Is the Dessert Essence Tea Tree Facial better than Dr Bronners soaps? I've

been using eucalyptus for now. I still have mites with that, but who knows if I

didn't use it.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for all the info!

> > Jess

> >

> > Sent on the SprintÃ‚Â® Now Network from my BlackBerryÃ‚Â®

> >

> > Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a

budget

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > condition.

> >

> > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> >

> > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> >

> > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> >

> > Thanks a lot!

> > Jess

> >

>

May 30, 2010

Noreen

Lye Soap

http://www.soapsgonebuy.com/Pure_n_Simple_Lye_Soap_p/ly1001.htm

Fels Naptha

http://www.soapsgonebuy.com/Fels_Naptha_Soap_p/dial1001.htm

> >

> > Hi Noreen,

> >

> > Thanks a lot for the suggestions!

> >

> > I do have a question: I can't find the arm & hammer in powder form, except for

the oxy one, would that be ok to use?

> > I am currently using the liquid form with bleach (safe for colors), but only

as a laundry detergent, just because I could never find the powder one.

> >

> > The #1 you mention for shower with essential oil, what kind of oil would

that be?

> >

> > I have tried tea tree diluted lightly in water, and I was shocked that it

did nothing for me! I guess my mites are very resistant. Same thing with the

sulphur 8. I felt had wasted my money. The minute things dry, the mites are

right back, so I had to resort to putting a layer of oil on the floor. That was

the only thing that stopped them, up until the oil dried.

> >

> > I've been using pine sol orange, but again, it works well till it dries. The

mites will be right back soon.

> >

> > Is the Dessert Essence Tea Tree Facial better than Dr Bronners soaps? I've

been using eucalyptus for now. I still have mites with that, but who knows if I

didn't use it.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for all the info!

> > Jess

> >

> > Sent on the SprintÃ‚Â® Now Network from my BlackBerryÃ‚Â®

> >

> > Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a

budget

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > condition.

> >

> > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> >

> > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> >

> > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> >

> > Thanks a lot!

> > Jess

> >

>

May 30, 2010

Rush you have really took offense to this one, geezzz now its a ego buster.

That anu water is $199.00 for 4 gallons?????? I know why its named anu:) I don't

care what anyone chooses to use, wow. You make me sound like the plague itself.

Stay away now:)

http://www.espbotanicals.com/buy_Anu.html

> > >

> > > Hi guys,

> > >

> > > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > > condition.

> > >

> > > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> > >

> > > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> > >

> > > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot!

> > > Jess

> > >

> >

>

May 30, 2010

brush it off folks... it aint no big deal. Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Rush you have really took offense to this one, geezzz now its a ego buster. That anu water is $199.00 for 4 gallons?????? I know why its named anu:) I don't care what anyone chooses to use, wow. You make me sound like the plague itself. Stay away now:)http://www.espbotanicals.com/buy_Anu.html--- In bird mites , Rush <rushtessman@...> wrote:>> Jo. The anu water is expensive. But it is effective. You sound likke you are having some pretty bad things going on. The lady that has helped me so much is Trisha Springstead. She started ESP botanicals because she has a true heart for people experiencing this. Her email address is espbotanicals@... She is a wealth of information and has made it her mission in life to be an advocate for us. Her phone number is 352-544-8111. Call her and tell her what is going on. She is a very kind and caring person. She will direct you in what you need to do. She also has an incredible soap so don't try to make your own. The time and effort is not worth it and it won't be nearly as good as hers. There are some BIG EGOS on this site that like to criticize anything that is not their idea. Those are the people you need to stay away from. I truly hope you get the help you need. I only direct you to this route because this is where I found genuine care and the> direction toward my healing!! God bless. Speedy recovery!> > Sent from my iPhone> > On May 30, 2010, at 7:05 PM, "jo_btc" <jo_btc@...> wrote:> > I dont know if I can afford the anu water or if I even should but > please tell me where you get it and how expensive is it? I will start on the 3 point program but today when I got up this morning> I had a burrow that look just like I had been cut with a knife > it is almost a foot long.... I have never ever seen one like that before. I know that I need to improve. I live this day in and day out with no one to talk to about this except you guys and I need all of your help. thanks> > > > >> > > Hi guys,> > > > > > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the> > > different products that can make a big difference in improving this> > > condition.> > > > > > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of> > > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear> > > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a> > > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just> > > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.> > > > > > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards> > > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)> > > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)> > > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please> > > add if there's important ones I'm missing.> > > > > > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness> > > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if> > > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can> > > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.> > > > > > Thanks a lot!> > > Jess> > >> >>

May 31, 2010

The steam vac is wonderful, but I did not like the vac. I am very happy with the results I have gotten from the vac I have in my environment. Im so happy with it, that even if someone were to buy a dyson or meile for me, I would have them send it right back, and get the one I have now.

Frito

From: Lynn <torpedolynn@...>bird mites Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 2:49:45 PMSubject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

FritoIs the steam vac the same line of Shark vaccums. I saw an infro commercial a few days ago. Bagless vaccum called the Shark. Can not remember co. name. But they were identical in fucntion to Dyson for half the price. I just drooled. I want that vaccum cleaner. If you own one how did you like or like it?? In Light Lynnp.s. Thank you.> >> > Hi Noreen,> > > > Thanks a lot for the suggestions!> > > > I do have a question: I can't find the arm & hammer in powder form, except for the oxy one, would that be ok to use?> > I am currently using the liquid form with bleach (safe for colors), but only as a laundry detergent, just because I could never find the powder one.> > > > The #1 you mention for shower with essential oil, what kind of oil would

that be?> > > > I have tried tea tree diluted lightly in water, and I was shocked that it did nothing for me! I guess my mites are very resistant. Same thing with the sulphur 8. I felt had wasted my money. The minute things dry, the mites are right back, so I had to resort to putting a layer of oil on the floor. That was the only thing that stopped them, up until the oil dried.> > > > I've been using pine sol orange, but again, it works well till it dries. The mites will be right back soon.> > > > Is the Dessert Essence Tea Tree Facial better than Dr Bronners soaps? I've been using eucalyptus for now. I still have mites with that, but who knows if I didn't use it.> > > > Thanks a lot for all the info!> > Jess> > > > > > Sent on the SprintÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â® Now Network from my BlackBerryÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â®> > > > -----Original

Message-----> > From: Noreen <couldbebetter@>> > Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:34:51 > > <bird mites >> > Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget> > > > Hi Jess,> > I haven't tried a lot of what you mention here except the denorex shampoo (the medicated 2 in 1 formula is the one I really like), If I knew what I know now, this would be my shopping list from the beginning -all but a few are inexpensive.> > > > 1. Arm & Hammer powdered laundry detergent or washing soda. In bath with hydrogen peroxide and a couple drops of esssential oil. And for laundry with liquid all-fabric bleach (also hydrogen peroxide based). I also used this sprinkled generously all over

carpets, let sit a day, then vacuum. This was the first thing that showed dramatic results in clearing my environment.> > 2. Hydrogen peroxide 3% from drugstore. This has multiple uses. Used as above, and also used in a spray bottle with lavender, peppermint or oil of oregano essential oil to wipe down plastic mattress & pillow covers. The same formula can be used in a fine mister spray bottle in the car, for whenever you feel a crawlie and to wipe down your steering wheel and dashboard (especiallly if you have mystery white specks there). If you live in a warm climate you can add a tiny bit of coconut or jojoba oil to that mix to make it less drying to the skin. I also used this straight to spot treat my skin, soak the spot with it for 30 seconds, wipe the spot with a kleenex, and repeat 3 times. The spots would usually bubble up white indicating either mite activity or infection..this would help clear it up for me. > > 3.

Sulphur 8 medicated anti-dandruff hair and scalp conditioner. This stuff is thick like vaseline, and has some sulphur in it, but not so much that your skin is peeling off. It is inexpensive too and found in many drugstores. It worked great for me to rid them from my feet. Before bedÃƒâ€šÃ‚ I put a generous amount of this on my feet, then put on cotton footies. I didn't realize for a long time that I had so many hiding inÃƒâ€šÃ‚ my feet.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > 4. Grisi Sulphur soap (I haven't tried the new hope soaps, but this is WAY cheaper, found in hispanic section of many drugstores, or on-line). Use like regular soap in shower and bath.> > 5. 100% tea tree oil. Add a little to shampoo and conditioner. Add a little to jojoba and grapeseed oil and use as body oil, letting it sink in before applying sulphur ointment below:> > 6. De la Cruz, Pomada de Azufre sulphur ointment. Also found in hispanic section or on-line. It

is a small jar, but spreads far. Use everywhere except most delicate skin areas. > > 7. Betadine povodine/iodine cleanser. If eyelids become a problem or for spot treating delicate areas, this works quickly. Wet area with water, blot lightly, apply cleanser carefully, let sit for a minute, thenÃƒâ€šÃ‚ dab off with a wet washcloth or kleenex. Be careful not to get this in your eye.> > 8. Dessert Essence Tea Tree Facial Cleanser. This stuff lasts and lasts, and really works to keep them off of your face, chest and neck.> > 9. Keys MetaCare Healing Therapy. For when your skin is a little tired of the other treatments, but still needs protection/repellant. This is a bit of a splurge at $20. but it lasts a long time, has a high percentage of neem oil and a lot of other good stuff - smells good too. If you have trouble with your eyelids their Eye Butter is great too.> > 10. Cedarcide, "Best Yet". This is a bit of a

splurge too, butÃƒâ€šÃ‚ works better than anythingÃƒâ€šÃ‚ for certain environmental things!!! It lasts longer if you use the personal mister they provide rather than the trigger sprayer. I just order a quart at a time, not their full environmental thing.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Spray inside shoes. For keyboard & cellphone, spray on kleenex to wipe them downÃƒâ€šÃ‚ (I use their personal mister and spray lightly directly on my laptop keyboard, while covering air vents, but do that at your own risk). Keep a personal mister of it in the car and give it a spray before entering and to have on hand for emergencies. I have sprayed it on clothing also and haven't had any lasting spots or damage from it. If you call them to order see if they will throw in a few extra personal misters for freeÃƒâ€šÃ‚ -they are good to use for other things, like #2 above.> > 11. Pine-Sol or Hexol. Perhaps this is the poor man's cedarcide. These two products

are made with pine-oil and cedarcide is made with cedaroil. Great to have a sprayer bottle of this on hand, mixed with water. Works to clean hardwood floors, all surfaces, and mattress covers. I also had good results using this in an extraction type Bissell rug shampooer after doing an arm & hammer dry detergent floor treatment & vacuuming (or you could use a rug doctor). Pine-sol is a staple in a lot of Hawaiian homes for it's effectiveness as a disinfectant with fungus, mold and bugs.> > 12. Arm & Hammer Shower Cleaner Spray (the formula with bleach). Really effective in clearing the shower or tub areas of mites, mold etc.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Be careful what you are wearing when you use this!> > 13.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Denorex 2 in 1 medicated shampoo & Selsun Blue medicated shampoo with selenium sulfide. These are good to start with, in rotation,Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ when the mites are really bad. The special anti-dandruff shampoo

mentioned recently looks like a good alternative to these two..has great ingredients, but I haven't tried it.> > I'm now looking at a few others..Theraneem Treatment shampoo, Keys Treatment Shampoo, and Dessert Essence Therapeutic Treatment Shampoo. All look like they would have effective ingredients for the stage I am in now. > > > > hope that gives you some ideas.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ask me questions if any of this is unclear.> > > > Noreen> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: jessnyc <helpnynow@>> > Birdmites.org Website <bird mites >> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 5:09:47 AM> > Subject:

Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget> > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > Hi guys,> > > > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the> > different products that can make a big difference in improving this> > condition.> > > > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of> > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear> > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a> > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just> > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.> > > > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards> > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)> > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h)

cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)> > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please> > add if there's important ones I'm missing.> > > > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness> > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if> > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can> > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.> > > > Thanks a lot!> > Jess> >>

June 3, 2010

Lynn it will light you up:) Agree for blood and the heart nothing beats cayenne

the most important spice and herb, I believe. I am actually taking 100,000 units

morning an night when not working. Reason the night dose will charge me up and

make sleep more difficult.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Oh hells bells, I forgot some of the most important ones to me.Ã‚

They are just so automatic.Ã‚ Anywho, apple pectin fiber and happy tummy,

metamucil mix.Ã‚ Well worth the investment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cant remember the other.Ã‚ Sorry, heads full of other stuff.Ã‚

Will add later.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Frito

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@ ..>

> > > > > > bird mites

> > > > > > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 1:16:34 PM

> > > > > > Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps

when on a budget/ANU waterr

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > Cats Claw, Sarsaparilla also high dose Kelp, Garden of Life Fungal

Defense also high dose, Vitamin C, also high dose, Vitamin D3, Biotin also high

dose, NAC.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I mix MSM in the capsules I do myself for transport factors.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are many others I use as adjuncts.Ã‚ But those above are my

essentials.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Borax baths are phenomenal.Ã‚ Cheap.Ã‚ Bill gave recipe.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Baking Soda scrubs and then the borax bath, phenomenal and cheap.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Alkalizing with lime or lemon sodium bicarbonate water.Ã‚ CHEAP.Ã‚

Adding potassium, additional vitamin c, and magnesium chloride.Ã‚ Still Cheap.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Garden of life Fungal Defense can be put together for the price

it costs for one bottle by using powdered herbs, the recipe, and

encapsulating.Ã‚ You can get the recipe mix for about 32.00 total and the

capsules for maybe 10.00.Ã‚ You can get about six bottles worth out of the

powdered mix.Ã‚ So in the end, CHEAPER.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > New Hope II Sulfur Soap.Ã‚ 4 bars for 25.00.Ã‚ Reasonable.Ã‚

Other homeade soap prices are competetive with what she charges.Ã‚ Mmost range

from 4 to 6 bucks a bar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lemongrass Tea.Ã‚ Get the powdered hern and make an infusion.Ã‚

Calming like sedative effect, antibacterial, and definately anti-fungal.Ã‚

Works better for me than pau de arco did.Ã‚ It did nothing for me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Frito

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 3, 2010

Sorry Lynn missed the question, I started the cayenne after the infestaion, but

sure has helped with fatigue from the lyme.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Oh hells bells, I forgot some of the most important ones to me.Ã‚

They are just so automatic.Ã‚ Anywho, apple pectin fiber and happy tummy,

metamucil mix.Ã‚ Well worth the investment.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cant remember the other.Ã‚ Sorry, heads full of other stuff.Ã‚

Will add later.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Frito

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@ ..>

> > > > > > > bird mites

> > > > > > > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 1:16:34 PM

> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/ protocol

steps when on a budget/ANU waterr

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > > Cats Claw, Sarsaparilla also high dose Kelp, Garden of Life Fungal

Defense also high dose, Vitamin C, also high dose, Vitamin D3, Biotin also high

dose, NAC.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I mix MSM in the capsules I do myself for transport factors.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are many others I use as adjuncts.Ã‚ But those above are my

essentials.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Borax baths are phenomenal.Ã‚ Cheap.Ã‚ Bill gave recipe.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Baking Soda scrubs and then the borax bath, phenomenal and cheap.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Alkalizing with lime or lemon sodium bicarbonate water.Ã‚

CHEAP.Ã‚ Adding potassium, additional vitamin c, and magnesium chloride.Ã‚

Still Cheap.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Garden of life Fungal Defense can be put together for the

price it costs for one bottle by using powdered herbs, the recipe, and

encapsulating.Ã‚ You can get the recipe mix for about 32.00 total and the

capsules for maybe 10.00.Ã‚ You can get about six bottles worth out of the

powdered mix.Ã‚ So in the end, CHEAPER.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > New Hope II Sulfur Soap.Ã‚ 4 bars for 25.00.Ã‚ Reasonable.Ã‚

Other homeade soap prices are competetive with what she charges.Ã‚ Mmost range

from 4 to 6 bucks a bar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lemongrass Tea.Ã‚ Get the powdered hern and make an infusion.Ã‚

Calming like sedative effect, antibacterial, and definately anti-fungal.Ã‚

Works better for me than pau de arco did.Ã‚ It did nothing for me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Frito

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 3, 2010

Hi Lynn, how do you take that much cayenne without getting an ulcer? I was taking raw garlic and developed an ulcer... usually no stomach problems here, but once I'm taking something like cayenne or garlic for a few days, I start to get a very sick feeling stomach. Re: Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a budget/ANU waterr> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š > > > > > > > Cats Claw, Sarsaparilla also high dose Kelp, Garden of Life Fungal Defense also high dose, Vitamin C, also high dose, Vitamin D3, Biotin also high dose, NAC.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mix MSM in the capsules I do myself for transport factors.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many others I use as adjuncts.Ãƒâ€š But those above are my essentials.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Borax baths are phenomenal.Ãƒâ€š Cheap.Ãƒâ€š Bill gave recipe.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baking Soda scrubs and then the borax bath, phenomenal and cheap.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alkalizing with lime or lemon sodium bicarbonate water.Ãƒâ€š CHEAP.Ãƒâ€š Adding potassium, additional vitamin c, and magnesium chloride.Ãƒâ€š Still Cheap.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Garden of life Fungal Defense can be put together for the price it costs for one bottle by using powdered herbs, the recipe, and encapsulating.Ãƒâ€š You can get the recipe mix for about 32.00 total and the capsules for maybe 10.00.Ãƒâ€š You can get about six bottles worth out of the powdered mix.Ãƒâ€š So in the end, CHEAPER.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Hope II Sulfur Soap.Ãƒâ€š 4 bars for 25.00.Ãƒâ€š Reasonable.Ãƒâ€š Other homeade soap prices are competetive with what she charges.Ãƒâ€š Mmost range from 4 to 6 bucks a bar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lemongrass Tea.Ãƒâ€š Get the powdered hern and make an infusion.Ãƒâ€š Calming like sedative effect, antibacterial, and definately anti-fungal.Ãƒâ€š Works better for me than pau de arco did.Ãƒâ€š It did nothing for me.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frito> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

June 3, 2010

I couldn't agree with you ladies more about cayenne pepper...I have been eating it for years...but I like very hot food...also raw garlic and curry...but sometimes You don't want to stink too much...I've been buying jars of already peeled garlic...sometimes it so much easier when you are in a rush and at least in CA not so expensive...I don't think it's lost too much by being already peeled since it's refrigerated..Think Cayenne contains alot of vitA ...will look up nutritional contents....From: healinghope <mfrreman@...>bird mites Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 5:01:39 PMSubject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Lynn it will light you up:) Agree for blood and the heart nothing beats cayenne the most important spice and herb, I believe. I am actually taking 100,000 units morning an night when not working. Reason the night dose will charge me up and make sleep more difficult.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Oh hells bells, I forgot some of the most important ones to me.Ãƒâ€š They are just so automatic.Ãƒâ€š Anywho, apple pectin fiber and happy tummy, metamucil mix.Ãƒâ€š Well worth the investment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cant remember the other.Ãƒâ€š Sorry, heads full of other stuff.Ãƒâ€š Will add later.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Frito

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@ ..>

> > > > > > bird mites

> > > > > > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 1:16:34 PM

> > > > > > Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a budget/ANU waterr

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > Cats Claw, Sarsaparilla also high dose Kelp, Garden of Life Fungal Defense also high dose, Vitamin C, also high dose, Vitamin D3, Biotin also high dose, NAC.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I mix MSM in the capsules I do myself for transport factors.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are many others I use as adjuncts.Ãƒâ€š But those above are my essentials.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Borax baths are phenomenal.Ãƒâ€š Cheap.Ãƒâ€š Bill gave recipe.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Baking Soda scrubs and then the borax bath, phenomenal and cheap.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Alkalizing with lime or lemon sodium bicarbonate water.Ãƒâ€š CHEAP.Ãƒâ€š Adding potassium, additional vitamin c, and magnesium chloride.Ãƒâ€š Still Cheap.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Garden of life Fungal Defense can be put together for the price it costs for one bottle by using powdered herbs, the recipe, and encapsulating.Ãƒâ€š You can get the recipe mix for about 32.00 total and the capsules for maybe 10.00.Ãƒâ€š You can get about six bottles worth out of the powdered mix.Ãƒâ€š So in the end, CHEAPER.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > New Hope II Sulfur Soap.Ãƒâ€š 4 bars for 25.00.Ãƒâ€š Reasonable.Ãƒâ€š Other homeade soap prices are competetive with what she charges.Ãƒâ€š Mmost range from 4 to 6 bucks a bar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lemongrass Tea.Ãƒâ€š Get the powdered hern and make an infusion.Ãƒâ€š Calming like sedative effect, antibacterial, and definately anti-fungal.Ãƒâ€š Works better for me than pau de arco did.Ãƒâ€š It did nothing for me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Frito

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 4, 2010

Ulcers were once thought caused by spicy foods and stress, now it has been

proven different. My conclusion would be you may have some bacteria in the

stomach. Spices have shown to actually improve the stomach not harm.

Neither stress nor spicy food causes ulcers. Smoking or drinking alcohol,

however, each can worsen ulcers and prevent their healing.

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hpylori/

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Oh hells bells, I forgot some of the most important ones to

me.Ãƒâ€š They are just so automatic.Ãƒâ€š Anywho, apple pectin fiber and happy

tummy, metamucil mix.Ãƒâ€š Well worth the investment.

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Cant remember the other.Ãƒâ€š Sorry, heads full of other

stuff.Ãƒâ€š Will add later.

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Frito

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > > > > > > > From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@ ..>

>

> > > > > > > > bird mites

>

> > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 1:16:34 PM

>

> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/ protocol

steps when on a budget/ANU waterr

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

>

> > > > > > > > Cats Claw, Sarsaparilla also high dose Kelp, Garden of Life

Fungal Defense also high dose, Vitamin C, also high dose, Vitamin D3, Biotin

also high dose, NAC.

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > I mix MSM in the capsules I do myself for transport factors.

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > There are many others I use as adjuncts.Ãƒâ€š But those above

are my essentials.

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Borax baths are phenomenal.Ãƒâ€š Cheap.Ãƒâ€š Bill gave recipe.

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Baking Soda scrubs and then the borax bath, phenomenal and

cheap.

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Alkalizing with lime or lemon sodium bicarbonate water.Ãƒâ€š

CHEAP.Ãƒâ€š Adding potassium, additional vitamin c, and magnesium

chloride.Ãƒâ€š Still Cheap.

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > The Garden of life Fungal Defense can be put together for the

price it costs for one bottle by using powdered herbs, the recipe, and

encapsulating.Ãƒâ€š You can get the recipe mix for about 32.00 total and the

capsules for maybe 10.00.Ãƒâ€š You can get about six bottles worth out of the

powdered mix.Ãƒâ€š So in the end, CHEAPER.

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > New Hope II Sulfur Soap.Ãƒâ€š 4 bars for 25.00.Ãƒâ€š

Reasonable.Ãƒâ€š Other homeade soap prices are competetive with what she

charges.Ãƒâ€š Mmost range from 4 to 6 bucks a bar.

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Lemongrass Tea.Ãƒâ€š Get the powdered hern and make an

infusion.Ãƒâ€š Calming like sedative effect, antibacterial, and definately

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June 4, 2010

Rose For garlic use I have found this recipe very helpful.

Different solvents extract and promote specific chemical reactions between the

constituents of garlic. Water, vinegar, alcohol, and oil each draw specific

constituents out. Alcohol and water, for instance, is the best solvent to

extract allicin. Soaking crushed garlic in oil promotes the production of

ajoenes and dithiins, important antibiotic and blood-thinning constituents of

garlic. My garlic " cocktail, " then, is as follows.

Three cloves of garlic

1 Tbls of red wine

1 Tbls of vinegar

1 Tbls of olive oil

Blend well in a blender.

Add 1/4 cup hot water.

Let stand for 3 hours. Do not strain. Add one-third of this to a cup of hot

water. Take another dose every 3-6 hours until it is all gone.

On paper this sounds a little like drinking salad dressing, but I find this to

be a pleasant stimulating tonic with a sharp taste. Raw garlic cloves upset my

intestines, but this does not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Oh hells bells, I forgot some of the most important ones to

me.Ãƒâ€š They are just so automatic.Ãƒâ€š Anywho, apple pectin fiber and happy

tummy, metamucil mix.Ãƒâ€š Well worth the investment.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cant remember the other.Ãƒâ€š Sorry, heads full of other

stuff.Ãƒâ€š Will add later.

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> > > > > > > Frito

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> > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@ ..>

> > > > > > > bird mites

> > > > > > > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 1:16:34 PM

> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/ protocol

steps when on a budget/ANU waterr

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š

> > > > > > > Cats Claw, Sarsaparilla also high dose Kelp, Garden of Life Fungal

Defense also high dose, Vitamin C, also high dose, Vitamin D3, Biotin also high

dose, NAC.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I mix MSM in the capsules I do myself for transport factors.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are many others I use as adjuncts.Ãƒâ€š But those above are

my essentials.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Borax baths are phenomenal.Ãƒâ€š Cheap.Ãƒâ€š Bill gave recipe.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Baking Soda scrubs and then the borax bath, phenomenal and cheap.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Alkalizing with lime or lemon sodium bicarbonate water.Ãƒâ€š

CHEAP.Ãƒâ€š Adding potassium, additional vitamin c, and magnesium

chloride.Ãƒâ€š Still Cheap.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The Garden of life Fungal Defense can be put together for the

price it costs for one bottle by using powdered herbs, the recipe, and

encapsulating.Ãƒâ€š You can get the recipe mix for about 32.00 total and the

capsules for maybe 10.00.Ãƒâ€š You can get about six bottles worth out of the

powdered mix.Ãƒâ€š So in the end, CHEAPER.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > New Hope II Sulfur Soap.Ãƒâ€š 4 bars for 25.00.Ãƒâ€š

Reasonable.Ãƒâ€š Other homeade soap prices are competetive with what she

charges.Ãƒâ€š Mmost range from 4 to 6 bucks a bar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lemongrass Tea.Ãƒâ€š Get the powdered hern and make an

infusion.Ãƒâ€š Calming like sedative effect, antibacterial, and definately

anti-fungal.Ãƒâ€š Works better for me than pau de arco did.Ãƒâ€š It did

nothing for me.

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June 4, 2010

Yes Darling You can come over any time..I will make you the curry chicken(after We chew our cud lol)yes I am very mad about the chemtrails and very upset you live near that BS...There is a thing about morg and not remembering names(You prob know)...Anyway been mostly eating salads and some proteins...read some candida diet that D. sent that says 10 or 15 % grains..60-65% vegies and I think the rest protein...I get fatigued from too much rice...Want to try Quinoa or millet(friggin birdseed) but am hooked on avocados,tomatoes,cilantro lately....greens,garlic..lemon and lime juice...my daughter works for Napa restaurant and brought home some fancy olive oil...been getting good canned salmon and making kinda a casserole with it...(4.00 a can as opposed to 16.00 a pound) this is why You

should move in over here..Well have to bathe the cat today(he loves it)...he is very full of himself so he thinks it's special...then i nit comb His royalness...Well that was an amazing story about the cayenne...good stuff !!From: Lynn <torpedolynn@...>bird mites Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 11:06:52 AMSubject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Hi Rose

Yum yum...Can I come over?? lol. I like Galic and Curry. My long time friend has a colledge long time friend in southern Ca. She makes the best Curry chicken I ever ate. I have her receipe but have not been able to get it quite the same as hers yet. Been a long time sense I have been able to do any fancy standing or cooking. Everything is fast and easy. Hey just eat Cilantro and we woun't stink. lol.

Does it not make you so mad at the sky lately. Im in mid CA. The skys for two or three days were thickly braided with those chem-trails. I have been having brain farts and worse problems with finding right words more than before even though I feel very strong and healthy now. I have always had trouble finding right words to describe simple things. Like smells. Instead of smell or aroma my mind will only think of flavors so thats what I will say.

In Light Lynnt

>

> I couldn't agree with you ladies more about cayenne pepper...I have been eating it for years...but I like very hot food...also raw garlic and curry...but sometimes You don't want to stink too much...I've been buying jars of already peeled garlic...sometimes it so much easier when you are in a rush and at least in CA not so expensive...I don't think it's lost too much by being already peeled since it's refrigerated..Think Cayenne contains alot of vitA ...will look up nutritional contents....

June 4, 2010

Lynn I buy the cayenne at swanson vitamins, and most my supplementals. All my

herbal treatment came form wolf creek ranch. I take many things that i will

also give my animals, heck your more likely to get diagnosed and treated for

lyme if your a dog anyway.

http://www.wolfcreekranch.net/

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/Search?keyword=cayneen & doSearch=true & ntt= & n=0 & ntk\

=Level1 & x=0 & y=0

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Oh hells bells, I forgot some of the most important ones to

me.Ã‚ They are just so automatic.Ã‚ Anywho, apple pectin fiber and happy

tummy, metamucil mix.Ã‚ Well worth the investment.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Cant remember the other.Ã‚ Sorry, heads full of other

stuff.Ã‚ Will add later.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Frito

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@ ..>

> > > > > > > > > bird mites

> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 1:16:34 PM

> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/ protocol

steps when on a budget/ANU waterr

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > > > > Cats Claw, Sarsaparilla also high dose Kelp, Garden of Life

Fungal Defense also high dose, Vitamin C, also high dose, Vitamin D3, Biotin

also high dose, NAC.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I mix MSM in the capsules I do myself for transport factors.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are many others I use as adjuncts.Ã‚ But those above

are my essentials.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Borax baths are phenomenal.Ã‚ Cheap.Ã‚ Bill gave recipe.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Baking Soda scrubs and then the borax bath, phenomenal and

cheap.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Alkalizing with lime or lemon sodium bicarbonate water.Ã‚

CHEAP.Ã‚ Adding potassium, additional vitamin c, and magnesium chloride.Ã‚

Still Cheap.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The Garden of life Fungal Defense can be put together for the

price it costs for one bottle by using powdered herbs, the recipe, and

encapsulating.Ã‚ You can get the recipe mix for about 32.00 total and the

capsules for maybe 10.00.Ã‚ You can get about six bottles worth out of the

powdered mix.Ã‚ So in the end, CHEAPER.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > New Hope II Sulfur Soap.Ã‚ 4 bars for 25.00.Ã‚ Reasonable.Ã‚

Other homeade soap prices are competetive with what she charges.Ã‚ Mmost range

from 4 to 6 bucks a bar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lemongrass Tea.Ã‚ Get the powdered hern and make an

infusion.Ã‚ Calming like sedative effect, antibacterial, and definately

anti-fungal.Ã‚ Works better for me than pau de arco did.Ã‚ It did nothing for

me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Frito

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