Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

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Hi Jess,IF you have Lyme Disease Cat's Claw is important, but the best would be Samento because it is the more concentrated form. Not just any Cat's Claw will do. I've taken that for a year now.I don't know about the rest of them. Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Hi guys,I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all thedifferent products that can make a big difference in improving thiscondition.I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part ofthe protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to heareveryone's take on what specific products and supplements have made adramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or justnot that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willardswater, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so pleaseadd if there's important ones I'm missing.Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectivenesswhich have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much ifanything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I canafford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.Thanks a lot!Jess

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Hi Jess

You asked which was the best of

: '' (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willardswater, (d) Pau D'Arco (is

it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h)

cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's

many more I'm missing, so please add''

of these I have only used a few

MSM very effective I used it a lot in water & in creme for my hir line , it was

the only thing the stopped them where my hair meets my face

I buy the jar of 100 capsules for $13.00 & mix 4 caps & 4 oz of water &

apply to the scalp & let dry , it is invisible , it is odorless , it is eatable

, it is sulfur from a tree :

also

There is a new mix per Frito

32 oz water

2 tbls borax

2 teasp MSM POWDER

( I snip opn the capsules with a dogs toenail clippers , very fast & efficient

or you can buy a big jar for 30-40.00 at whole foods .

(msm acts as the penetrate with out the bleaching of the peroxide . Though the

peroxide only bleached my hair & eye brows, never my dark blue , blue jeans or

any other fabric. I have used it for 2 days & it seems very effective & cheap ,

before that I used 16 oz of peroxide in the mix above, it was the best

thing I ever found to kill the the bug I leave it on till the next shower ,

Also this kills them & make me bugless 2 days later

1 cup of borax in the tub &

1/4 cup dawn dish soap to make bubble thru out the bath to drown the floaters ,

bathe for 30 mins )

Baking soda 1 cup in the bath also is great

Epsom salt 2 cups in bath is also Great , I like to change up my stratigies so

the don't get used to it , or combine all 3

Denorex shampoo : works , but I used Selsun blue the 'daily formula' top of head

to toe for 5 mins per shower ,then rinse , it is very effective

( Denorex coal tar shampoo is petroleum , I hate poison )

epsom salts 1 cup per 2 cups of water dumped on top of head to toe & let dry

Betadine providone iodine wiped slowly on the eyes with the eyes closed & left

for 5 mins then rinse well , it kills them for good for me.

Arm & hammer powdered laundry soap 1 teasp per cup of water to spot treat , or

1 cup per bath for 30 mins , it is a miracle It is the only thing the stopped

my super deep 3 year bugs at the bottom of my ribcage & the ones that got

under my small old scar on the back of my head . I apply it & leave it on some

times usually I rinse it off in 10 mins

arm & hammer powdered laundry soap is great for the laundry & mopping &

spraying the outside of the house 1 cup per gallon in a sprayer

arm & hammer powdered laundry soap is the end of this bug .

I still pick up new bugs randomly at the park , the woods , barns , old trucks

etc ... So tiring

2 tbls coconut oil in the tub , stopped all crawling now for me for 179 days or

so . BEST THING I ever found , I uses it straight before last & it didnt seem to

help much , but coconut oil in water has stopped all crawling , I have only

used it on my skin 30 times of so in 180 days ,

It also maked the hair like new after I shampoo it out

God bless you Jess ,

Bill

On Sun May 30th, 2010 8:09 AM EDT jessnyc wrote:

>Hi guys,

>

>I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

>different products that can make a big difference in improving this

>condition.

>

>I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

>the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

>everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

>dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

>not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

>

>I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

>water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

>MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

>denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

>add if there's important ones I'm missing.

>

>Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

>which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

>anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

>afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

>

>Thanks a lot!

>Jess

[Guest guest]

Epsom salt REALLY helped me - dissolving about 1/2 to 3/4 cup in water and

pouring it onto my head after a shower. The New Hope II soap was helpful as well

but I make my own now so don't buy it. Oregano oil is awesome but make sure it's

well diluted because it can burn the crap out of your skin.

I can't take most supplements because of a bad liver, but I hope nobody is

wasting their money on ANU water. It breaks my heart when I see items like this

touted as " cures. " It's way too expensive for anyone to afford, and I hate the

thought of sick people going broke chasing snake oil.

Something that made a huge difference for me and that I never posted yet (sorry)

is that I vacuum the walls and ceiling when I vacuum the floors.

Buy a pound of menthol crystals and burn them in the late afternoon/early

evening to prevent night time swarms.

Good luck!

>

> Hi guys,

>

> I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> condition.

>

> I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

>

> I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> add if there's important ones I'm missing.

>

> Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

>

> Thanks a lot!

> Jess

>

[Guest guest]

Epsom salt was helpful to me as well. Also borax baths. I have pretty much used everything that had ever been posted!! I've done it all. And I can't really recall anything that just did absolutely nothing. But I still wasn't getting any better. In fact I was getting more lesions. It seemed like these things woul concentrate in a certain area of the body for example chest, then arms, and it wouldn't be one arm it would be both. The worst was when I got the lesions on my legs. They were horrible, and would not heal. I started having terrible brain fog and then severe panic attacks. Simone that knew how bad off I was actually bought the anu water for me. I wouldn't have bought I myself, I couldn't afford to b/c I had been laid off from my job and had already blown so much money on all the other stuf that was a very short relief. I had no expectation when I started the anu except that it most likely wouldn't work. I

took the anu for about 3-4 months, until I ran out. I can't say that I took it and some miraculous result. But at the end of this time my lesions had healed. I wasn't having panic attacks, and another big thing I noticed was that before when I went outside I would get swarmed by flying bugs. I had never been the one that always got bitten by Mosquitos etc until this disease. Well I no longer seem to attract bugs. My guess is that there something wrong internally that caused this attraction. I also had a bad toenail that has healed. I can never know 100% if it was the anu water but I'm feel pretty certain that it was. I'm not 100% cured of this. I stil get some crawlies and bites occasionally. I haven't taken anu in about 10 months but have started it again and hopefully after a few months I will be 100%. I don't know if linsama ever tried anu or if that is just her opinion. Everyone is different that's why I am reluctant to suggest a product or to bash

something that may have worked for someone else but not for me. Jess I was never as bad as you. I really feel for you getting bittenwhile you are trying to wash them off of you. How long has this been going on. Did it just start out of nowhere or did your environment change. I hope you can get some relief. Sent from my iPhoneOn May 30, 2010, at 10:20 AM, "lianasama" <lianasama@...> wrote:

Epsom salt REALLY helped me - dissolving about 1/2 to 3/4 cup in water and pouring it onto my head after a shower. The New Hope II soap was helpful as well but I make my own now so don't buy it. Oregano oil is awesome but make sure it's well diluted because it can burn the crap out of your skin.

I can't take most supplements because of a bad liver, but I hope nobody is wasting their money on ANU water. It breaks my heart when I see items like this touted as "cures." It's way too expensive for anyone to afford, and I hate the thought of sick people going broke chasing snake oil.

Something that made a huge difference for me and that I never posted yet (sorry) is that I vacuum the walls and ceiling when I vacuum the floors.

Buy a pound of menthol crystals and burn them in the late afternoon/early evening to prevent night time swarms.

Good luck!

>

> Hi guys,

>

> I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> condition.

>

> I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

>

> I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> add if there's important ones I'm missing.

>

> Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

>

> Thanks a lot!

> Jess

>

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From: Rush <rushtessman@...>Date: May 30, 2010 11:09:16 AM CDT"bird mites " <bird mites >Subject: Re: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budgetEpsom salt was helpful to me as well. Also borax baths. I have pretty much used everything that had ever been posted!! I've done it all. And I can't really recall anything that just did absolutely nothing. But I still wasn't getting any better. In fact I was getting more lesions. It seemed like these things woul concentrate in a certain area of the body for

example chest, then arms, and it wouldn't be one arm it would be both. The worst was when I got the lesions on my legs. They were horrible, and would not heal. I started having terrible brain fog and then severe panic attacks. Simone that knew how bad off I was actually bought the anu water for me. I wouldn't have bought I myself, I couldn't afford to b/c I had been laid off from my job and had already blown so much money on all the other stuf that was a very short relief. I had no expectation when I started the anu except that it most likely wouldn't work. I

took the anu for about 3-4 months, until I ran out. I can't say that I took it and some miraculous result. But at the end of this time my lesions had healed. I wasn't having panic attacks, and another big thing I noticed was that before when I went outside I would get swarmed by flying bugs. I had never been the one that always got bitten by Mosquitos etc until this disease. Well I no longer seem to attract bugs. My guess is that there something wrong internally that caused this attraction. I also had a bad toenail that has healed. I can never know 100% if it was the anu water but I'm feel pretty certain that it was. I'm not 100% cured of this. I stil get some crawlies and bites occasionally. I haven't taken anu in about 10 months but have started it again and hopefully after a few months I will be 100%. I don't know if linsama ever tried anu or if that is just her opinion. Everyone is different that's why I am reluctant to suggest a product or to bash

something that may have worked for someone else but not for me. Jess I was never as bad as you. I really feel for you getting bittenwhile you are trying to wash them off of you. How long has this been going on. Did it just start out of nowhere or did your environment change. I hope you can get some relief. Sent from my iPhoneOn May 30, 2010, at 10:20 AM, "lianasama" <lianasama@...> wrote:

Epsom salt REALLY helped me - dissolving about 1/2 to 3/4 cup in water and pouring it onto my head after a shower. The New Hope II soap was helpful as well but I make my own now so don't buy it. Oregano oil is awesome but make sure it's well diluted because it can burn the crap out of your skin.

I can't take most supplements because of a bad liver, but I hope nobody is wasting their money on ANU water. It breaks my heart when I see items like this touted as "cures." It's way too expensive for anyone to afford, and I hate the thought of sick people going broke chasing snake oil.

Something that made a huge difference for me and that I never posted yet (sorry) is that I vacuum the walls and ceiling when I vacuum the floors.

Buy a pound of menthol crystals and burn them in the late afternoon/early evening to prevent night time swarms.

Good luck!

>

> Hi guys,

>

> I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> condition.

>

> I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

>

> I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> add if there's important ones I'm missing.

>

> Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

>

> Thanks a lot!

> Jess

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jess,

I haven't tried a lot of what you mention here except the denorex shampoo (the medicated 2 in 1 formula is the one I really like), If I knew what I know now, this would be my shopping list from the beginning -all but a few are inexpensive.

1. Arm & Hammer powdered laundry detergent or washing soda. In bath with hydrogen peroxide and a couple drops of esssential oil. And for laundry with liquid all-fabric bleach (also hydrogen peroxide based). I also used this sprinkled generously all over carpets, let sit a day, then vacuum. This was the first thing that showed dramatic results in clearing my environment.

2. Hydrogen peroxide 3% from drugstore. This has multiple uses. Used as above, and also used in a spray bottle with lavender, peppermint or oil of oregano essential oil to wipe down plastic mattress & pillow covers. The same formula can be used in a fine mister spray bottle in the car, for whenever you feel a crawlie and to wipe down your steering wheel and dashboard (especiallly if you have mystery white specks there). If you live in a warm climate you can add a tiny bit of coconut or jojoba oil to that mix to make it less drying to the skin. I also used this straight to spot treat my skin, soak the spot with it for 30 seconds, wipe the spot with a kleenex, and repeat 3 times. The spots would usually bubble up white indicating either mite activity or infection..this would help clear it up for me.

3. Sulphur 8 medicated anti-dandruff hair and scalp conditioner. This stuff is thick like vaseline, and has some sulphur in it, but not so much that your skin is peeling off. It is inexpensive too and found in many drugstores. It worked great for me to rid them from my feet. Before bed I put a generous amount of this on my feet, then put on cotton footies. I didn't realize for a long time that I had so many hiding in my feet.

4. Grisi Sulphur soap (I haven't tried the new hope soaps, but this is WAY cheaper, found in hispanic section of many drugstores, or on-line). Use like regular soap in shower and bath.

5. 100% tea tree oil. Add a little to shampoo and conditioner. Add a little to jojoba and grapeseed oil and use as body oil, letting it sink in before applying sulphur ointment below:

6. De la Cruz, Pomada de Azufre sulphur ointment. Also found in hispanic section or on-line. It is a small jar, but spreads far. Use everywhere except most delicate skin areas.

7. Betadine povodine/iodine cleanser. If eyelids become a problem or for spot treating delicate areas, this works quickly. Wet area with water, blot lightly, apply cleanser carefully, let sit for a minute, then dab off with a wet washcloth or kleenex. Be careful not to get this in your eye.

8. Dessert Essence Tea Tree Facial Cleanser. This stuff lasts and lasts, and really works to keep them off of your face, chest and neck.

9. Keys MetaCare Healing Therapy. For when your skin is a little tired of the other treatments, but still needs protection/repellant. This is a bit of a splurge at $20. but it lasts a long time, has a high percentage of neem oil and a lot of other good stuff - smells good too. If you have trouble with your eyelids their Eye Butter is great too.

10. Cedarcide, "Best Yet". This is a bit of a splurge too, but works better than anything for certain environmental things!!! It lasts longer if you use the personal mister they provide rather than the trigger sprayer. I just order a quart at a time, not their full environmental thing. Spray inside shoes. For keyboard & cellphone, spray on kleenex to wipe them down (I use their personal mister and spray lightly directly on my laptop keyboard, while covering air vents, but do that at your own risk). Keep a personal mister of it in the car and give it a spray before entering and to have on hand for emergencies. I have sprayed it on clothing also and haven't had any lasting spots or damage from it. If you call them to order see if they will throw in a few extra personal misters for free -they are good to use for other things, like #2 above.

11. Pine-Sol or Hexol. Perhaps this is the poor man's cedarcide. These two products are made with pine-oil and cedarcide is made with cedaroil. Great to have a sprayer bottle of this on hand, mixed with water. Works to clean hardwood floors, all surfaces, and mattress covers. I also had good results using this in an extraction type Bissell rug shampooer after doing an arm & hammer dry detergent floor treatment & vacuuming (or you could use a rug doctor). Pine-sol is a staple in a lot of Hawaiian homes for it's effectiveness as a disinfectant with fungus, mold and bugs.

12. Arm & Hammer Shower Cleaner Spray (the formula with bleach). Really effective in clearing the shower or tub areas of mites, mold etc. Be careful what you are wearing when you use this!

13. Denorex 2 in 1 medicated shampoo & Selsun Blue medicated shampoo with selenium sulfide. These are good to start with, in rotation, when the mites are really bad. The special anti-dandruff shampoo mentioned recently looks like a good alternative to these two..has great ingredients, but I haven't tried it.

I'm now looking at a few others..Theraneem Treatment shampoo, Keys Treatment Shampoo, and Dessert Essence Therapeutic Treatment Shampoo. All look like they would have effective ingredients for the stage I am in now.

hope that gives you some ideas. ask me questions if any of this is unclear.

Noreen

From: jessnyc <helpnynow@...>Birdmites.org Website <bird mites >Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 5:09:47 AMSubject: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Hi guys,I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all thedifferent products that can make a big difference in improving thiscondition.I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part ofthe protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to heareveryone's take on what specific products and supplements have made adramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or justnot that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willardswater, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so pleaseadd if there's important ones I'm missing.Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectivenesswhich have

been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much ifanything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I canafford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.Thanks a lot!Jess

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Hi Noreen,Thanks a lot for the suggestions!I do have a question: I can't find the arm&hammer in powder form, except for the oxy one, would that be ok to use?I am currently using the liquid form with bleach (safe for colors), but only as a laundry detergent, just because I could never find the powder one.The #1 you mention for shower with essential oil, what kind of oil would that be?I have tried tea tree diluted lightly in water, and I was shocked that it did nothing for me! I guess my mites are very resistant. Same thing with the sulphur 8. I felt had wasted my money. The minute things dry, the mites are right back, so I had to resort to putting a layer of oil on the floor. That was the only thing that stopped them, up until the oil dried.I've been using pine sol orange, but again, it works well till it dries. The mites will be right back soon.Is the Dessert Essence Tea Tree Facial better than Dr Bronners soaps? I've been using eucalyptus for now. I still have mites with that, but who knows if I didn't use it.Thanks a lot for all the info!JessSent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®From: Noreen <couldbebetter@...>Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:34:51 -0700 (PDT)<bird mites >Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget Hi Jess,I haven't tried a lot of what you mention here except the denorex shampoo (the medicated 2 in 1 formula is the one I really like), If I knew what I know now, this would be my shopping list from the beginning -all but a few are inexpensive. 1. Arm & Hammer powdered laundry detergent or washing soda. In bath with hydrogen peroxide and a couple drops of esssential oil. And for laundry with liquid all-fabric bleach (also hydrogen peroxide based). I also used this sprinkled generously all over carpets, let sit a day, then vacuum. This was the first thing that showed dramatic results in clearing my environment.2. Hydrogen peroxide 3% from drugstore. This has multiple uses. Used as above, and also used in a spray bottle with lavender, peppermint or oil of oregano essential oil to wipe down plastic mattress & pillow covers. The same formula can be used in a fine mister spray bottle in the car, for whenever you feel a crawlie and to wipe down your steering wheel and dashboard (especiallly if you have mystery white specks there). If you live in a warm climate you can add a tiny bit of coconut or jojoba oil to that mix to make it less drying to the skin. I also used this straight to spot treat my skin, soak the spot with it for 30 seconds, wipe the spot with a kleenex, and repeat 3 times. The spots would usually bubble up white indicating either mite activity or infection..this would help clear it up for me. 3. Sulphur 8 medicated anti-dandruff hair and scalp conditioner. This stuff is thick like vaseline, and has some sulphur in it, but not so much that your skin is peeling off. It is inexpensive too and found in many drugstores. It worked great for me to rid them from my feet. Before bed I put a generous amount of this on my feet, then put on cotton footies. I didn't realize for a long time that I had so many hiding in my feet. 4. Grisi Sulphur soap (I haven't tried the new hope soaps, but this is WAY cheaper, found in hispanic section of many drugstores, or on-line). Use like regular soap in shower and bath.5. 100% tea tree oil. Add a little to shampoo and conditioner. Add a little to jojoba and grapeseed oil and use as body oil, letting it sink in before applying sulphur ointment below:6. De la Cruz, Pomada de Azufre sulphur ointment. Also found in hispanic section or on-line. It is a small jar, but spreads far. Use everywhere except most delicate skin areas. 7. Betadine povodine/iodine cleanser. If eyelids become a problem or for spot treating delicate areas, this works quickly. Wet area with water, blot lightly, apply cleanser carefully, let sit for a minute, then dab off with a wet washcloth or kleenex. Be careful not to get this in your eye.8. Dessert Essence Tea Tree Facial Cleanser. This stuff lasts and lasts, and really works to keep them off of your face, chest and neck.9. Keys MetaCare Healing Therapy. For when your skin is a little tired of the other treatments, but still needs protection/repellant. This is a bit of a splurge at $20. but it lasts a long time, has a high percentage of neem oil and a lot of other good stuff - smells good too. If you have trouble with your eyelids their Eye Butter is great too.10. Cedarcide, "Best Yet". This is a bit of a splurge too, but works better than anything for certain environmental things!!! It lasts longer if you use the personal mister they provide rather than the trigger sprayer. I just order a quart at a time, not their full environmental thing. Spray inside shoes. For keyboard & cellphone, spray on kleenex to wipe them down (I use their personal mister and spray lightly directly on my laptop keyboard, while covering air vents, but do that at your own risk). Keep a personal mister of it in the car and give it a spray before entering and to have on hand for emergencies. I have sprayed it on clothing also and haven't had any lasting spots or damage from it. If you call them to order see if they will throw in a few extra personal misters for free -they are good to use for other things, like #2 above.11. Pine-Sol or Hexol. Perhaps this is the poor man's cedarcide. These two products are made with pine-oil and cedarcide is made with cedaroil. Great to have a sprayer bottle of this on hand, mixed with water. Works to clean hardwood floors, all surfaces, and mattress covers. I also had good results using this in an extraction type Bissell rug shampooer after doing an arm & hammer dry detergent floor treatment & vacuuming (or you could use a rug doctor). Pine-sol is a staple in a lot of Hawaiian homes for it's effectiveness as a disinfectant with fungus, mold and bugs.12. Arm & Hammer Shower Cleaner Spray (the formula with bleach). Really effective in clearing the shower or tub areas of mites, mold etc. Be careful what you are wearing when you use this!13. Denorex 2 in 1 medicated shampoo & Selsun Blue medicated shampoo with selenium sulfide. These are good to start with, in rotation, when the mites are really bad. The special anti-dandruff shampoo mentioned recently looks like a good alternative to these two..has great ingredients, but I haven't tried it.I'm now looking at a few others..Theraneem Treatment shampoo, Keys Treatment Shampoo, and Dessert Essence Therapeutic Treatment Shampoo. All look like they would have effective ingredients for the stage I am in now. hope that gives you some ideas. ask me questions if any of this is unclear. NoreenFrom: jessnyc <helpnynowgmail>Birdmites.org Website <bird mites >Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 5:09:47 AMSubject: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget Hi guys,I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all thedifferent products that can make a big difference in improving thiscondition.I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part ofthe protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to heareveryone's take on what specific products and supplements have made adramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or justnot that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willardswater, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so pleaseadd if there's important ones I'm missing.Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectivenesswhich havebeen the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much ifanything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I canafford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.Thanks a lot!Jess

[Guest guest]

Uh, actually, I have been taking Cats Claw for quite sometime, and really Samento is the TOA free form of Cats Claw. Where as Cats Claw in its unadulterated form contains the TOA's. I have taken both forms and had better results with the unadulterated form, Cats Claw, not Samento. I take about 9 grams a day, that I encapsulate myself. The debate about which Cats Claw is more effective centers around the TOA free and unadulterated forms.

See my post here.

http://lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=supplements & action=display & thread=12915

It was my thinking the reason herbs can be sometimes more powerful than meds, is that the meds we take are based off of a single component of a herb. When they start taking out differing components of the herb, then the herb does not have the synergistic components to build off of, and most certainly affects it effects on the disease in question.

Most certainly not an argument against you using it or suggesting it, just a different viewpoint. I do know of others whom use Samento and claim it helps. The thing is, with Samento, in order to get 9 grams a day, there just isn't enough money to do it and it lacks the other components I was after. The link I provided explains this further.

Frito

From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 9:23:58 AMSubject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Hi Jess,IF you have Lyme Disease Cat's Claw is important, but the best would be Samento because it is the more concentrated form. Not just any Cat's Claw will do. I've taken that for a year now.I don't know about the rest of them. Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a budget

Hi guys,I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all thedifferent products that can make a big difference in improving thiscondition.I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part ofthe protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to heareveryone's take on what specific products and supplements have made adramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or justnot that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willardswater, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid? ), (e) oregano oil, (f)MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so pleaseadd if there's important ones

I'm missing.Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectivenesswhich have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much ifanything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I canafford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.Thanks a lot!Jess

[Guest guest]

Fels naptha for the wash along with borax and

wash soda? Also have you tried activated MMS1 in rooms closed with NO ONE OR

ANIMAL in room? I am also including a link to the new patches of sodium chlorite

if you can afford them, no need to leave room, last 20 days. You must do the

activated sodium chlorite for weeks not just once or occasionally. Once the

crawling stops slow down on treatment in rooms, except weekly. I love my window

air

conditioners after I have placed a saucer of activated mms1 beside it running.

I beleive a lot of this crawling on us is fungus to. Perhaps even are clothes

infected with fungus. My theory. The fels naptha helps with fungus and mold to

in wash. The homemade enzyme is great for the wash to, but this stuff is strong

it doesn't take much from my batch. I used grapefruit and peppermint leaves. You

would think it stinks but it really smells quite good.

http://www.o3enzyme.com/enzymeproduction.htm

Also add MSM and flower of sulfur to supplements diet, I beleive just like a

plant with fungus treat with sulfur.

If desired you may consider taking mms1 or mms2 internally for sometime. Bathe

in mms1 also and use body spray. I take

a maintenance dose every other day now, and sulfur yellow and white, also use

all natural soaps, and daily supplements. I make a body wash and shampoo from

lye bars of soap. Including recipe then I take some flower of sulfur mix with

olive oil which i also leave peppermint leaves in and soak for this mix sulfur

with olive oil then blend lotion and sulfur mixer or blender.

http://www.soapsgonebuy.com/Fels_Naptha_Soap_p/dial1001.htm

http://jimhumble.biz/

http://jimhumble.biz/biz-fundamentals.htm

http://jimhumble.biz/biz-mms2intro-eng.htm

http://www.bulkmsm.com/

http://www.pennherb.com/cgi-bin/herbstore.cgi/herb?;Sulphur

http://www.odorxit.com/?sick-house~AR84

I understand the isolation and poverty this brings on if you will, still

struggling to work myself back out of debt from missed work and illness. But

facts remain others have beat this including myself so it can be done, Have

faith honey.

>

> Hi guys,

>

> I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> condition.

>

> I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

>

> I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> add if there's important ones I'm missing.

>

> Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

>

> Thanks a lot!

> Jess

>

[Guest guest]

Fels Naptha and Lye Lotion cook some borax in to until infestation is over.

http://www.soapsgonebuy.com/

LAUNDRY

If you want really nice clean smelling laundry and want to keep the colors

bright and your whites white you cannot beat our original soap. We just scrape a

few flakes off the edge of the bar and add it straight to the washing machine

when doing wash. Not only does it keep the clothes bright and good smelling but

it removes several types of stains such as grease, it is great for that ring

around the collar and the sweat stains in the hat band. On some of the more

stubborn stains you may need to take a bit of your Lye Soap lotion and rub in a

bit before throwing it in the washing machine.

LYE SOAP LOTION - HOW TO MAKE IT ( same process to make shampoo, dish soap and

plant spray as well )

To make a lotion out of the soap it is really very easy. In fact it is a good

way to recycle those small pieces left over from the shower. To make the lotion

just take several small pieces and mix them with water. We recommend you use

either a spring water or a distilled water. Something that has the impurities

removed. Especially if your using the lotion for a skin allergy or something of

the like. They put so many things in city water any more you don't know what you

may be mixing into your lotion thus maybe even irritating your condition

further. Also you may need to add a little heat when trying to get the soap and

water mix if the pieces are really hard. Not much heat just a bit. Anyway just

mix in enough water and stir it until you get the consistency you want for your

lotion or dish soap or shampoo, whatever it is your making the mix for. Now be

sure to put your mix into something relatively air tight so it won't dry right

back out. If you need to take it with you in your purse or something just get a

small squeeze bottle or a zip lock bag that your sure won't leak. We have also

been told if you thin down the solution enough you can use it as a plant spray

to keep unwanted bugs away from your plants.

WHAT MAKES LYE SOAP SO SPECIAL?

Actually what makes our soap special is because what it is - it is All Natural.

It is simply water, lard and lye. All natural products. We do not add any

hardeners, fragrances, perfumes or dyes, etc. The soaps we do offer that you can

smell comes from all natural oils to create that wonderful memory of Grandma's

place. In fact the main special ingredient in our soap comes from the natural

process called soponification. The process that takes place when the soap is

cooked properly creates a wonderful glycerin content that nearly all commercial

soap makers separate out and sell off to cosmetic companies and such. We don't

do that - we leave it right in the soap like it was meant to be. We believe the

glycerin to be the natural healing ingredient that makes lye soap so special and

also helps keep the wrinkles away.

>

> Hi Noreen,

>

> Thanks a lot for the suggestions!

>

> I do have a question: I can't find the arm & hammer in powder form, except for

the oxy one, would that be ok to use?

> I am currently using the liquid form with bleach (safe for colors), but only

as a laundry detergent, just because I could never find the powder one.

>

> The #1 you mention for shower with essential oil, what kind of oil would that

be?

>

> I have tried tea tree diluted lightly in water, and I was shocked that it did

nothing for me! I guess my mites are very resistant. Same thing with the sulphur

8. I felt had wasted my money. The minute things dry, the mites are right back,

so I had to resort to putting a layer of oil on the floor. That was the only

thing that stopped them, up until the oil dried.

>

> I've been using pine sol orange, but again, it works well till it dries. The

mites will be right back soon.

>

> Is the Dessert Essence Tea Tree Facial better than Dr Bronners soaps? I've

been using eucalyptus for now. I still have mites with that, but who knows if I

didn't use it.

>

> Thanks a lot for all the info!

> Jess

>

>

> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

>

> Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a

budget

>

>  

> Hi guys,

>

> I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> condition.

>

> I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

>

> I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> add if there's important ones I'm missing.

>

> Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

>

> Thanks a lot!

> Jess

>

[Guest guest]

Yes,that sounds good the Cat's Claw...isn't it a natural antibiotic ?not sure...From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:50:46 AMSubject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Uh, actually, I have been taking Cats Claw for quite sometime, and really Samento is the TOA free form of Cats Claw. Where as Cats Claw in its unadulterated form contains the TOA's. I have taken both forms and had better results with the unadulterated form, Cats Claw, not Samento. I take about 9 grams a day, that I encapsulate myself. The debate about which Cats Claw is more effective centers around the TOA free and unadulterated forms.

See my post here.

http://lymebusters. proboards. com/index. cgi?board= supplements & action=display & thread=12915

It was my thinking the reason herbs can be sometimes more powerful than meds, is that the meds we take are based off of a single component of a herb. When they start taking out differing components of the herb, then the herb does not have the synergistic components to build off of, and most certainly affects it effects on the disease in question.

Most certainly not an argument against you using it or suggesting it, just a different viewpoint. I do know of others whom use Samento and claim it helps. The thing is, with Samento, in order to get 9 grams a day, there just isn't enough money to do it and it lacks the other components I was after. The link I provided explains this further.

Frito

From: "Goldstein@ comcast.net" <Goldstein@ comcast.net>bird mitesSent: Sun, May 30, 2010 9:23:58 AMSubject: Re: Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a budget

Hi Jess,IF you have Lyme Disease Cat's Claw is important, but the best would be Samento because it is the more concentrated form. Not just any Cat's Claw will do. I've taken that for a year now.I don't know about the rest of them. Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a budget

Hi guys,I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all thedifferent products that can make a big difference in improving thiscondition.I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part ofthe protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to heareveryone's take on what specific products and supplements have made adramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or justnot that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willardswater, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid? ), (e) oregano oil, (f)MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so pleaseadd if there's important ones

I'm missing.Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectivenesswhich have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much ifanything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I canafford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.Thanks a lot!Jess

[Guest guest]

Anu water must agree is a waste of money. This water is the bomb for me. I only

took the prevention mode. If cell food cost to much buy bio-plasma cell salts.

The best way to take it is in granular form mixed with distilled water at room

temperature.

http://cancertutor.com/faq/faq_MSM.html

To make a bottle of " MSM water " do the following:

1) Get a one gallon bottle (i.e. slightly less than 4 liters) of distilled water

and pour a little out. It would be BEST for the gallon bottle to be a dark

colored GLASS bottle. If you have to order a dark glass gallon container, go

ahead and use a water jug from the grocery store until you can transfer it to a

dark colored GLASS bottle.

2) With the distilled water at room temperature, put 10 LEVEL TABLEspoons of MSM

in the jug.

3) Shake the bottle several times over a 15 minute time period.

4) After about 15 minutes the MSM will be " in solution, " meaning it is totally

dissolved and no MSM particles will float to the bottom.

5) Store in a dark, cool place.

The gallon jug contains about 150 grams of MSM (10 tablespoons times 15 grams

per tablespoon), which is too much to take in one day because of GI issues.

Obviously, keep the bottle away from children or mark it in a way they will know

not to drink it without supervision. They will not get sick, but they may

throw-up if they take too much.

There are 128 ounces in a gallon. This means there are 256 TABLEspoons in a

gallon. This means there are 0.6 grams in a TABLEspoon of this MSM water. It

also means there are 1.2 grams of MSM in an ounce of the MSM water.

Thus, if you take 12.8 ounces of the MSM water a day, you will be taking 15

grams of MSM a day.

In prevention mode a person can fill a 12 ounce glass HALF with the " MSM water "

discussed above and HALF with distilled water. This moderates the taste a little

bit. This is about 7 grams of MSM. They can then add 10-12 drops of a good

stabilized oxygen product, such as Prime pH or Aerobic O7 (or they can add 3

drops of Miracle Mineral Supplement instead), and 10-12 drops of Cell Food (a

trace mineral supplement). You can forget about ever getting a cold or the flu

if you do this.

Just rememember that every 6 ounces of MSM water is about 7 grams of MSM.

When in treatment mode, when you are taking 20 or more grams a day, it is best

to take MSM in several small doses throughout the day, rather than one large

dose!! This is mainly for the sake of the GI tract.

WARNING: About 15% of those who take MSM have a harmless reaction to the MSM. If

you have a reaction to the MSM, then drop the dosage or stop taking it.

> >

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > condition.

> >

> > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> >

> > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> >

> > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> >

> > Thanks a lot!

> > Jess

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Marie have you ever tried anu? There are people on this site that would like to ban mms. I however did try mms in saucers baths and internally. It did nothing for me or my environment the baths were ok but that's about it. Internally it made me very sick! I just don't agree with bashing a product you've never tried. Sent from my iPhoneOn May 30, 2010, at 1:31 PM, "healinghope" <mfrreman@...> wrote:

Anu water must agree is a waste of money. This water is the bomb for me. I only took the prevention mode. If cell food cost to much buy bio-plasma cell salts.

The best way to take it is in granular form mixed with distilled water at room temperature.

http://cancertutor.com/faq/faq_MSM.html

To make a bottle of "MSM water" do the following:

1) Get a one gallon bottle (i.e. slightly less than 4 liters) of distilled water and pour a little out. It would be BEST for the gallon bottle to be a dark colored GLASS bottle. If you have to order a dark glass gallon container, go ahead and use a water jug from the grocery store until you can transfer it to a dark colored GLASS bottle.

2) With the distilled water at room temperature, put 10 LEVEL TABLEspoons of MSM in the jug.

3) Shake the bottle several times over a 15 minute time period.

4) After about 15 minutes the MSM will be "in solution," meaning it is totally dissolved and no MSM particles will float to the bottom.

5) Store in a dark, cool place.

The gallon jug contains about 150 grams of MSM (10 tablespoons times 15 grams per tablespoon), which is too much to take in one day because of GI issues. Obviously, keep the bottle away from children or mark it in a way they will know not to drink it without supervision. They will not get sick, but they may throw-up if they take too much.

There are 128 ounces in a gallon. This means there are 256 TABLEspoons in a gallon. This means there are 0.6 grams in a TABLEspoon of this MSM water. It also means there are 1.2 grams of MSM in an ounce of the MSM water.

Thus, if you take 12.8 ounces of the MSM water a day, you will be taking 15 grams of MSM a day.

In prevention mode a person can fill a 12 ounce glass HALF with the "MSM water" discussed above and HALF with distilled water. This moderates the taste a little bit. This is about 7 grams of MSM. They can then add 10-12 drops of a good stabilized oxygen product, such as Prime pH or Aerobic O7 (or they can add 3 drops of Miracle Mineral Supplement instead), and 10-12 drops of Cell Food (a trace mineral supplement). You can forget about ever getting a cold or the flu if you do this.

Just rememember that every 6 ounces of MSM water is about 7 grams of MSM.

When in treatment mode, when you are taking 20 or more grams a day, it is best to take MSM in several small doses throughout the day, rather than one large dose!! This is mainly for the sake of the GI tract.

WARNING: About 15% of those who take MSM have a harmless reaction to the MSM. If you have a reaction to the MSM, then drop the dosage or stop taking it.

> >

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > condition.

> >

> > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> >

> > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> >

> > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> >

> > Thanks a lot!

> > Jess

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rose cats claw is a natural antibiotic the best herbal antibiotic cocktail I

have taken since sick with lyme and what ever else was VIPARABAC PLUS, from

wolf creek ranch, not cheap though. at wolfcreekranch had me on a

morgellons study with the herbs. This may have helped with healing. I am

including all the links of herbs I took for a 3 month course. MMS was introduced

after the 3 months and I started it internally then started the skin treatment

also.

http://wolfcreekranch.net/viparabac_plus.html

VIPARABAC PLUS contains organic herbs: Mustard Seed, Olive Leaf, Black Seed,

Pau D'arco, Cloves, Grapefruit Seed Extract, Alcohol, & Distilled Water.

http://wolfcreekranch.net/adizone.html

Adizone contains organic: Slippery elm, peppermint, spearmint, yarrow, jergon

sacha, wild cherry bark, cats claw, hibiscus flowers, valerian root, rose hips,

garlic, yucca root, alcohol, and distilled water.

http://wolfcreekranch.net/derma_nerv.html

Derma NERV contains organic herbs: lemon balm, yohimbe, skull cap, nettle, wood

betony, alcohol, and distilled water

http://wolfcreekranch.net/life_cell_support.html

Life Cell Support contains organic: sheep sorrel, burdock root, rhubarb root,

slippery elm bark, blessed thistle, red clover, water cress, alcohol & distilled

water.

>

> Yes,that sounds good the Cat's Claw...isn't it a natural antibiotic ?not

sure...

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@...>

> bird mites

> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:50:46 AM

> Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a

budget

>

>

> Uh, actually, I have been taking Cats Claw for quite sometime, and really

Samento is the TOA free form of Cats Claw. Where as Cats Claw in its

unadulterated form contains the TOA's. I have taken both forms and had better

results with the unadulterated form, Cats Claw, not Samento. I take about 9

grams a day, that I encapsulate myself. The debate about which Cats Claw is

more effective centers around the TOA free and unadulterated forms.

>

> See my post here.

>

> http://lymebusters. proboards. com/index. cgi?board=

supplements & action=display & thread=12915

>

> It was my thinking the reason herbs can be sometimes more powerful than meds,

is that the meds we take are based off of a single component of a herb. When

they start taking out differing components of the herb, then the herb does not

have the synergistic components to build off of, and most certainly affects it

effects on the disease in question.

>

> Most certainly not an argument against you using it or suggesting it, just a

different viewpoint. I do know of others whom use Samento and claim it helps.

The thing is, with Samento, in order to get 9 grams a day, there just isn't

enough money to do it and it lacks the other components I was after. The link I

provided explains this further.

>

> Frito

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " Goldstein@ comcast.net " <Goldstein@ comcast.net>

> bird mites

> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 9:23:58 AM

> Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a

budget

>

>

> Hi Jess,

>

> IF you have Lyme Disease Cat's Claw is important, but the best would be

Samento because it is the more concentrated form. Not just any Cat's Claw will

do. I've taken that for a year now.

>

> I don't know about the rest of them.

>

>

>

> Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a

budget

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi guys,

>

>

>

> I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

>

>

> different products that can make a big difference in improving this

>

>

> condition.

>

>

>

> I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

>

>

> the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

>

>

> everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

>

>

> dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

>

>

> not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

>

>

>

> I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

>

>

> water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid? ), (e) oregano oil, (f)

>

>

> MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

>

>

> denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

>

>

> add if there's important ones I'm missing.

>

>

>

> Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

>

>

> which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

>

>

> anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

>

>

> afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

>

>

>

> Thanks a lot!

>

>

> Jess

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I tried the water rush it did not help me, geezzz, no war intended.

> > >

> > > Hi guys,

> > >

> > > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > > condition.

> > >

> > > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> > >

> > > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> > >

> > > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot!

> > > Jess

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Baking Soda 1 cup in bathtub...gives a very deep clean...also exfoliating gloves(buy at drugstore)about 3-5 dollars to scrub these demons off..put soap on the gloves and layers of garbage will come off...then throw in washer(I usually bleach them) when I was worse tons of specks and biofilm would come off...Hydrogen peroxide sometimes 16oz in bathtub...Baking soda solution to leave on Your head if scalp is an issue(1/4 cup to 8 0z. water)....natural skin brushes just get infestedFrom: Doe <doe1769@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 7:55:18 AMSubject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Hi Jess

You asked which was the best of

: '' (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willardswater, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please add''

of these I have only used a few

MSM very effective I used it a lot in water & in creme for my hir line , it was the only thing the stopped them where my hair meets my face

I buy the jar of 100 capsules for $13.00 & mix 4 caps & 4 oz of water & apply to the scalp & let dry , it is invisible , it is odorless , it is eatable , it is sulfur from a tree :

also

There is a new mix per Frito

32 oz water

2 tbls borax

2 teasp MSM POWDER

( I snip opn the capsules with a dogs toenail clippers , very fast & efficient or you can buy a big jar for 30-40.00 at whole foods .

(msm acts as the penetrate with out the bleaching of the peroxide . Though the peroxide only bleached my hair & eye brows, never my dark blue , blue jeans or any other fabric. I have used it for 2 days & it seems very effective & cheap , before that I used 16 oz of peroxide in the mix above, it was the best thing I ever found to kill the the bug I leave it on till the next shower ,

Also this kills them & make me bugless 2 days later

1 cup of borax in the tub &

1/4 cup dawn dish soap to make bubble thru out the bath to drown the floaters , bathe for 30 mins )

Baking soda 1 cup in the bath also is great

Epsom salt 2 cups in bath is also Great , I like to change up my stratigies so the don't get used to it , or combine all 3

Denorex shampoo : works , but I used Selsun blue the 'daily formula' top of head to toe for 5 mins per shower ,then rinse , it is very effective

( Denorex coal tar shampoo is petroleum , I hate poison )

epsom salts 1 cup per 2 cups of water dumped on top of head to toe & let dry

Betadine providone iodine wiped slowly on the eyes with the eyes closed & left for 5 mins then rinse well , it kills them for good for me.

Arm & hammer powdered laundry soap 1 teasp per cup of water to spot treat , or 1 cup per bath for 30 mins , it is a miracle It is the only thing the stopped my super deep 3 year bugs at the bottom of my ribcage & the ones that got under my small old scar on the back of my head . I apply it & leave it on some times usually I rinse it off in 10 mins

arm & hammer powdered laundry soap is great for the laundry & mopping & spraying the outside of the house 1 cup per gallon in a sprayer

arm & hammer powdered laundry soap is the end of this bug .

I still pick up new bugs randomly at the park , the woods , barns , old trucks etc ... So tiring

2 tbls coconut oil in the tub , stopped all crawling now for me for 179 days or so . BEST THING I ever found , I uses it straight before last & it didnt seem to help much , but coconut oil in water has stopped all crawling , I have only used it on my skin 30 times of so in 180 days ,

It also maked the hair like new after I shampoo it out

God bless you Jess ,

Bill

On Sun May 30th, 2010 8:09 AM EDT jessnyc wrote:

>Hi guys,

>

>I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

>different products that can make a big difference in improving this

>condition.

>

>I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

>the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

>everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

>dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

>not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

>

>I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

>water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

>MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

>denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

>add if there's important ones I'm missing.

>

>Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

>which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

>anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

>afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

>

>Thanks a lot!

>Jess

[Guest guest]

I have not tried the willow water yet, and would not waste my money on that

either, was not bashing geez the science just is not there for me. sorryyyy.

> > >

> > > Hi guys,

> > >

> > > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > > condition.

> > >

> > > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> > >

> > > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> > >

> > > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot!

> > > Jess

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well if you did try the anu water it would have been after you were "cured" of this. So you couldn't have gotten the results I'm talking about. I'm not intending a war either I'm just stating that mms was pretty much a waste for me. I don't know of anyone on this site that has been cured by mms but you. Sent from my iPhoneOn May 30, 2010, at 1:40 PM, "healinghope" <mfrreman@...> wrote:

Yes I tried the water rush it did not help me, geezzz, no war intended.

> > >

> > > Hi guys,

> > >

> > > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > > condition.

> > >

> > > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> > >

> > > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> > >

> > > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot!

> > > Jess

> > >

> >

>

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I just went on a Lyme site and at least 4 of the ingredients in the Virarapbac are on the list of top 10 herbs and supplements...I do believe it is necessary to take some form of antibiotic..if only a natural one...I found it very helpful to research Lyme disease last night.I had read before but now I am making it more of a study...to me this sounds very useful...Thanks!!From: healinghope <mfrreman@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 11:39:12 AMSubject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Rose cats claw is a natural antibiotic the best herbal antibiotic cocktail I have taken since sick with lyme and what ever else was VIPARABAC PLUS, from wolf creek ranch, not cheap though. at wolfcreekranch had me on a morgellons study with the herbs. This may have helped with healing. I am including all the links of herbs I took for a 3 month course. MMS was introduced after the 3 months and I started it internally then started the skin treatment also.

http://wolfcreekranch.net/viparabac_plus.html

VIPARABAC PLUS contains organic herbs: Mustard Seed, Olive Leaf, Black Seed, Pau D'arco, Cloves, Grapefruit Seed Extract, Alcohol, & Distilled Water.

http://wolfcreekranch.net/adizone.html

Adizone contains organic: Slippery elm, peppermint, spearmint, yarrow, jergon sacha, wild cherry bark, cats claw, hibiscus flowers, valerian root, rose hips, garlic, yucca root, alcohol, and distilled water.

http://wolfcreekranch.net/derma_nerv.html

Derma NERV contains organic herbs: lemon balm, yohimbe, skull cap, nettle, wood betony, alcohol, and distilled water

http://wolfcreekranch.net/life_cell_support.html

Life Cell Support contains organic: sheep sorrel, burdock root, rhubarb root, slippery elm bark, blessed thistle, red clover, water cress, alcohol & distilled water.

>

> Yes,that sounds good the Cat's Claw...isn't it a natural antibiotic ?not sure...

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@...>

> bird mites

> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:50:46 AM

> Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

>

>

> Uh, actually, I have been taking Cats Claw for quite sometime, and really Samento is the TOA free form of Cats Claw. Where as Cats Claw in its unadulterated form contains the TOA's. I have taken both forms and had better results with the unadulterated form, Cats Claw, not Samento. I take about 9 grams a day, that I encapsulate myself. The debate about which Cats Claw is more effective centers around the TOA free and unadulterated forms.

>

> See my post here.

>

> http://lymebusters. proboards. com/index. cgi?board= supplements & action=display & thread=12915

>

> It was my thinking the reason herbs can be sometimes more powerful than meds, is that the meds we take are based off of a single component of a herb. When they start taking out differing components of the herb, then the herb does not have the synergistic components to build off of, and most certainly affects it effects on the disease in question.

>

> Most certainly not an argument against you using it or suggesting it, just a different viewpoint. I do know of others whom use Samento and claim it helps. The thing is, with Samento, in order to get 9 grams a day, there just isn't enough money to do it and it lacks the other components I was after. The link I provided explains this further.

>

> Frito

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: "Goldstein@ comcast.net" <Goldstein@ comcast.net>

> bird mites

> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 9:23:58 AM

> Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a budget

>

>

> Hi Jess,

>

> IF you have Lyme Disease Cat's Claw is important, but the best would be Samento because it is the more concentrated form. Not just any Cat's Claw will do. I've taken that for a year now.

>

> I don't know about the rest of them.

>

>

>

> Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a budget

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi guys,

>

>

>

> I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

>

>

> different products that can make a big difference in improving this

>

>

> condition.

>

>

>

> I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

>

>

> the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

>

>

> everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

>

>

> dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

>

>

> not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

>

>

>

> I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

>

>

> water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid? ), (e) oregano oil, (f)

>

>

> MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

>

>

> denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

>

>

> add if there's important ones I'm missing.

>

>

>

> Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

>

>

> which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

>

>

> anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

>

>

> afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

>

>

>

> Thanks a lot!

>

>

> Jess

>

[Guest guest]

It was not just the mms rush that cured me I have posted many things that have

helped from herbs to cells salts, soaps, msm flower of sulfu, bifen, cyonara, DE

homemade enzyme. Once again gezzzz, wow what is it with mms that some are just

obsessed with attacking. mms1 played a very important role for sure but I have

not just stated mms as the cure, more a tool. And for the buck one of the best

tools for ME.

> > > >

> > > > Hi guys,

> > > >

> > > > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > > > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > > > condition.

> > > >

> > > > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > > > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > > > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > > > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > > > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> > > >

> > > > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > > > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > > > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > > > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > > > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> > > >

> > > > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > > > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > > > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > > > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot!

> > > > Jess

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Jess, Mopping the floor with very hot water, Borax and ammonia really killed all activity of mites on the floor for me. I know ammonia is "toxic" but it really did the trick for me. I did that almost every day for weeks on hardwood, and put a lot of water on because I wanted it to penetrate the cracks between the boards. Just a thought. Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Hi guys,I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all thedifferent products that can make a big difference in improving thiscondition.I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part ofthe protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to heareveryone's take on what specific products and supplements have made adramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or justnot that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willardswater, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so pleaseadd if there's important ones I'm missing.Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectivenesswhich havebeen the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much ifanything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I canafford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.Thanks a lot!Jess

[Guest guest]

Your welcome Rose. I did 10 drops 3 times a day under tongue. I beleive there

was a link to lyme and my infestation infections also. I also think for ME that

sick house syndrome was a part of the issue to.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Do-You-Have-Sick-House-Syndrome? & id=888182

> >

> > Yes,that sounds good the Cat's Claw...isn't it a natural antibiotic ?not

sure...

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@>

> > bird mites

> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:50:46 AM

> > Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on

a budget

> >

> >

> > Uh, actually, I have been taking Cats Claw for quite sometime, and really

Samento is the TOA free form of Cats Claw. Where as Cats Claw in its

unadulterated form contains the TOA's. I have taken both forms and had better

results with the unadulterated form, Cats Claw, not Samento. I take about 9

grams a day, that I encapsulate myself. The debate about which Cats Claw is

more effective centers around the TOA free and unadulterated forms.

> >

> > See my post here.

> >

> > http://lymebusters. proboards. com/index. cgi?board=

supplements & action=display & thread=12915

> >

> > It was my thinking the reason herbs can be sometimes more powerful than

meds, is that the meds we take are based off of a single component of a herb.

When they start taking out differing components of the herb, then the herb does

not have the synergistic components to build off of, and most certainly affects

it effects on the disease in question.

> >

> > Most certainly not an argument against you using it or suggesting it, just a

different viewpoint. I do know of others whom use Samento and claim it helps.

The thing is, with Samento, in order to get 9 grams a day, there just isn't

enough money to do it and it lacks the other components I was after. The link I

provided explains this further.

> >

> > Frito

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: " Goldstein@ comcast.net " <Goldstein@ comcast.net>

> > bird mites

> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 9:23:58 AM

> > Subject: Re: Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on

a budget

> >

> >

> > Hi Jess,

> >

> > IF you have Lyme Disease Cat's Claw is important, but the best would be

Samento because it is the more concentrated form. Not just any Cat's Claw will

do. I've taken that for a year now.

> >

> > I don't know about the rest of them.

> >

> >

> >

> > Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a

budget

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi guys,

> >

> >

> >

> > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> >

> >

> > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> >

> >

> > condition.

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> >

> >

> > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> >

> >

> > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> >

> >

> > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> >

> >

> > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> >

> >

> >

> > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> >

> >

> > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid? ), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> >

> >

> > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> >

> >

> > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> >

> >

> > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> >

> >

> >

> > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> >

> >

> > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> >

> >

> > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> >

> >

> > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks a lot!

> >

> >

> > Jess

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rush mms1 made me very sick, so did the herbs in the beginning. I was one sick

girl. Now the maintenance dose of mms1 is like drinking water there is no

adverse effect. Same with the viparabac plus herb I can now take 10 drops and

have no effect in the beginning any of this would put me in bed with chills and

fever, diarrhea and nausea. The detox and healing from this beast was truly hell

for me, not a walk in the park to beat.

> > >

> > > Hi guys,

> > >

> > > I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> > > different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> > > condition.

> > >

> > > I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> > > the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> > > everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> > > dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> > > not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

> > >

> > > I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> > > water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> > > MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> > > denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> > > add if there's important ones I'm missing.

> > >

> > > Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> > > which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> > > anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> > > afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot!

> > > Jess

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes,agree with floor care...I can get away with bleach(vinyl tiles)but if I don't mop daily I will get bitten..I've used ammonia,too with good results...I just try to keep all windows and doors open..that's a good idea to "slosh it" around the cracks..also do put some boric acid in my vacuum ...always the danger I suppose it will hurt the machine...(just can't afford a new vac bag each time so have to kill what's in the bag)From: "Goldstein@..."

<Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 11:58:41 AMSubject: Re: Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a budget

Jess, Mopping the floor with very hot water, Borax and ammonia really killed all activity of mites on the floor for me. I know ammonia is "toxic" but it really did the trick for me. I did that almost every day for weeks on hardwood, and put a lot of water on because I wanted it to penetrate the cracks between the boards. Just a thought. Most helpful supplements/ protocol steps when on a budget

Hi guys,I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all thedifferent products that can make a big difference in improving thiscondition.I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part ofthe protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to heareveryone's take on what specific products and supplements have made adramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or justnot that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willardswater, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid? ), (e) oregano oil, (f)MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so pleaseadd if there's important ones I'm missing.Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectivenesswhich

havebeen the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much ifanything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I canafford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.Thanks a lot!Jess

[Guest guest]

Jess, I read the 'flavored " pinesols are less effective than the regular

formula, which has a higher pine oil content.

I use the oxy A & H powder detergent

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Arm-Hammer-Powder-Fresh-Scent-Laundry-Detergent-Plus-O\

xi-Clean-Stain-Fighters-11.73-lb/11027509

I add a little A & H washing soda and Borax to every load.

>

> Hi Noreen,

>

> Thanks a lot for the suggestions!

>

> I do have a question: I can't find the arm & hammer in powder form, except for

the oxy one, would that be ok to use?

> I am currently using the liquid form with bleach (safe for colors), but only

as a laundry detergent, just because I could never find the powder one.

>

> The #1 you mention for shower with essential oil, what kind of oil would that

be?

>

> I have tried tea tree diluted lightly in water, and I was shocked that it did

nothing for me! I guess my mites are very resistant. Same thing with the sulphur

8. I felt had wasted my money. The minute things dry, the mites are right back,

so I had to resort to putting a layer of oil on the floor. That was the only

thing that stopped them, up until the oil dried.

>

> I've been using pine sol orange, but again, it works well till it dries. The

mites will be right back soon.

>

> Is the Dessert Essence Tea Tree Facial better than Dr Bronners soaps? I've

been using eucalyptus for now. I still have mites with that, but who knows if I

didn't use it.

>

> Thanks a lot for all the info!

> Jess

>

>

> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

>

> Most helpful supplements/protocol steps when on a

budget

>

>  

> Hi guys,

>

> I keep hearing everyone talking about different protocols and all the

> different products that can make a big difference in improving this

> condition.

>

> I'm on a budget and I cannot afford all of the things that are part of

> the protocol, but I can get a few of them, so I would like to hear

> everyone's take on what specific products and supplements have made a

> dramatic difference and which ones have been a waste of money or just

> not that helpful. Then I will give the good ones a try.

>

> I keep hearing of the (a) new hope soap 2, ( anu water, © willards

> water, (d) Pau D'Arco (is it tea or pill/liquid?), (e) oregano oil, (f)

> MSM, (g) Essiah tea (sp?), (h) cat's claw, (i) apple cider vinager, (j)

> denorex shampoo, and I'm sure there's many more I'm missing, so please

> add if there's important ones I'm missing.

>

> Of all the supplements, would you guys list in order of effectiveness

> which have been the most beneficial to you and which didn't do much if

> anything for you? This regardless of prices. I will see which ones I can

> afford and if one is too good I'll go for it even if more expensive.

>

> Thanks a lot!

> Jess

>