Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

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Thanks for the encouragement. it's goofy of me, but I do need encouragement to

keep going on this I'll start bathing more often again. I am doing most of the

rest of the protocol. We will also fog the house and cars with ww and chac mool

this weekend. Good idea.

The funga soap and endure react together to produce peely stuff, but nothing

comes out of the lesions themselves it seems.

I'm on the 2nd happy tummy now since I had the flu (w/horrific runs)during the

first month of the protocol and therefor couldn't do the Happy Tummy until my

2nd month.

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This process is quite something, I agree. I don't get much movement on my feet during the day, but still do at night, even though I sleep with the Rainbow over my legs or feet almost every night, so that would be 6+ hours a night. Don't know what to think of it either, so wish I could help more Zoe. The sensations on the feet have changed a bit. I used to get biting sensations, although slight, now I get something different. I rarely get the little nip. Now what I get sometimes is a painful feeling in the foot (either one) that is more global, not just in one pin pointed area. I still get the squirmies, also a feeling like tingling sensation over a large area. I don't get much of these expressions anywhere else in my body presently. I think the happy tummy helps, although initially it was difficult and I'll start again on June 1. So, some days it seems I get very few sensations, other days it seems I still get quite a few that are different than they were. I'm not being very regular about some of the Dr. S products because of time constraints. This is going to take a long time, I can tell that already! Very, very fatigued. Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

Thanks for the encouragement. it's goofy of me, but I do need encouragement to keep going on this I'll start bathing more often again. I am doing most of the rest of the protocol. We will also fog the house and cars with ww and chac mool this weekend. Good idea.The funga soap and endure react together to produce peely stuff, but nothing comes out of the lesions themselves it seems.I'm on the 2nd happy tummy now since I had the flu (w/horrific runs)during the first month of the protocol and therefor couldn't do the Happy Tummy until my 2nd month. z3> > > > > > > > >I've been doing the Dr S. protocol for a couple months and I am getting more bites and prickles now than I was before. I just want me live back soooooooooooo much and I am soooooooo exhausted.> > > > >> > > > >z3> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Pau D'arco, MSM, NAC, and Braggs liquid aminos are not part of the protocol Dr.

S prescribed for us. Did you add those in from HHA? What is NAC?

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Bobby -

What amount(s) of Chac Mool and Willard's Water do you use in the bath?

Although I'm not having problems, about once a week I do some kind of a bath

" treatment " , just to be sure.

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Marie,

How do I get the activated MMS to permeate the cars or a room in the house. Do

we need to use the fogger or use heat or just spray it all around?

Thanks,

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Bobby,

How is the Dr. S protocol going for you overall in reducing the

crawling/biting/prickling? How long have you been doing all of it.

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Marie, one more question about mms in rooms: how often should it be done if

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Morgellons is a condition. It depends how your body processes toxins. That is all I can say for now. With every person it is different upon the biological processes that are within yourself. I know the questions is if who gave birth to the chicken; the egg or the evolution of it. The honest things is known has the answer of it. Whether the bugs are the initial course of your path it is a little hard to determine. I have chosen not to fight the bugs. When I did things got worse. I can remember things from before that reminded me of the condition. There is no cure. The best thing to do is minimize the toxins in your life to deal with this condition. This is just from experience. No one knows the answer to a cure.

If things get better, than you have corrected the missing link in your biological process. No one knows what is exacting knowing what is going on each person. Not everything will work for you that has worked for someone else. There is no cure. It is about what knowing the unbalance in your life that is causing the imperfection. Work towards what makes you better; not what makes the bugs disappear. From: Zoe <zoe_z3@...>bird mites Sent: Thu,

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Marie, one more question about mms in rooms: how often should it be done if parasites are in walls, etc...

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My doctor (at the clinic I go to) believes I have fleas. Her only advice is to

flea bomb my apartment.

This is the extent of the medical service I'm presently being rendered.

And I agree re: bugs being in one's personal environment. I'm still forced to

vacuum every other evening, and then spray.

Wish I could continue with the Doxycycline- it worked well, but was damaging to

my liver, so I was forced to quit. It seems to have worked well for others on

this board. Wish I could find a suitable substitute. Amoxicillin doesn't seem to

work as well (but is liver friendly).

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Curious what makes you think the parasites are in the walls, are you actually

seeing insects? Bedbugs mites ect if in wall voids will be seen coming out to

feed usually. For myself I beleive mold or fungus was also playing a part in

this. That is also why I think the fels naptha is effective for laundry it kills

fungus and parasites. You can treat each room as every day if desired, I did at

first now just weekly. Here is another link that can be used daily and is safe

for exposure lasting up to 20-30 days. I have found the treatment requires

weeks.

http://www.odorxit.com/?clo2sizing~ANCOsickHo

http://www.soapsgonebuy.com/Fels_Naptha_Soap_p/dial1001.htm

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I have no doubt that your orange oil mix will kill on contact, but a certain vigilance would be required to address my birdmites in my situation. With D. Gallinae, a growth regulator is required in a professional fog setting as these can and do hide in the tiniest of cracks and come out and bite my son and I. It would be impossible to address this particular situation with a household cleaner and the vigilance I mentioned. But I can certainly understand why some would choose to do so. In my own particular situation, I found lesions do not occur unless we are bitten.

And your inference to "a re-invasion of something" to my current situation would lend that you would disagree with the identification of D. Gallinae provided by the Kansas State Entomology Department in my current re-infestation or perhaps you are inferring it is just Morgellons and not mites. In other words, it isn't "a re-invasion of something". D. Gallinae has been positively identified in accessing my home through the cracks around my window sills. But I really appreciate your good will in extending your wishes that we can get through it quickly. Thank you. !!!

Frito

From: Bessie <bessieglavas@...>bird mites Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 3:17:57 PMSubject: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

Frito -That was not specifically directed at you. Many people combine antibiotics, etc, with her protocol (and I'm not talking about for a specific thing, like a bladder infection, but as a shot gun approach).Living in a 45 year old house in FL, bugs come in all the time. I can kill anything I see with 20/80 orange oil and water. I've even killed those huge palmetto bugs with it. I keep a spray bottle of it around in case I see them, and I clean everything with it - floors, windows, etc.I think there are other ways to kill bugs without petrochemicals - the number one thing she says to avoid.I am sorry that you have had a re-invasion of something, and hope you can get through this period quickly.Bessie> > > > >I've been doing the Dr S. protocol for a couple months and I am getting more bites and prickles now than I was before. I just want me live back soooooooooooo much and I am soooooooo exhausted.> > >> > >z3> > >> >>

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Pau D'arco is from Sue H. It really helps to bring the internal infestation out

with the FIR. It is one of the best supplements out there for this. Especially

if you purchase the liquid drops from the Herbal Healer.

The MSM came from the Nanotransformation people, which has been echoed many

times by people here.

The NAC and Braggs came from Ramona at Healing Grapevine, who told me Dr S tells

people to take these. Braggs is a very inexpensive, like $3.00, source of amino

acids which are depleted in our bodies along with many minerals. Here is a link

to Mr Common Senses Poor Mans II protocol for a definition of what the NAC does.

http://morgellonspgpr.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/poor-mans-protocol-2-pmp-ii/

Like Bessie has said, just about everything on this protocol is part of Dr S's

protocol. Hers is much more extensive and costly. I'm glad MCS has found success

with his. It is very well written and helpful.

Here is a link to the Healing Grapevine.

http://healinggrapevine.com/

Just about everything posted on here is reviewed by Dr S. first. I have read

just about everything on it, all the articles and looked at each of the

products, and signed up for the newsletter. There is a ton of good info here and

her tonic recipes, which Ramona says to make and take. When I listen to a Dr S

interview, I always write down any interesting advice she says to do. I gleem

tons of info on her protocol that way.

To answer your other question, I do think I am starting to feel more periods of

relief following most of her protocol for about a month now, with the important

parts of Sue's herbal Healer three point program thrown in. I am using her

sprays for any crawling and it seems to help. I fully expect my detox to take

over six months. I started on or about March 6th in earnest, the the HH three

point plan before that to build my body up.

I think Dr S's protocol is a major tuneup of the body, the stronger and

healthier she can make your body, the better you can fight anything off, be it

nano or real bugs.

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Bessie, the detox bath is three scoops of Opaline Wound Care and two capfuls of

dark Willard Water in 1/2 a tub full of water. The ChacMool waters are a

separate bath with two capfuls of either type in a tub of water. B

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Zoe,

I decided this time, since I had an identification of D. Gallinae, that I would use a professional company. The prior infestation in which originally brought me to birdmites, I did not have an identification. I couldn't get one to save my life the first time, but it was a big townhome with three levels and many possible accesss points. It also had mold issues in which contributed to our diress the first time.

Every one of the "birdmite" treatments you have mentioned is not a professional spray and fogging. And really, since I did the many recommended treatments you listed, and during the first "infestation", and have done the "professional" method this time, I can say from comparison of my own situation during both the times I was manifesting lesions, that there is a correlation of lesion and bite improvement with the professional spray and fog.

I believe the morgellons process of the whole thing in my own case, and such as you describe below, a biting sensation, the development of a red spot, and its progressing borders is what comes after the initial bites we have experienced. The actual bites of the birdmites themselves are a different entity than those I just mentioned and you described. Those progressing red spots could very well be toxins and part of the detox process.

I think you and I are describing two different things. And both I experienced with birdmite infestations. I really like your description of a "semi-productive TB test". Thats exactly what some of them look like. Those are the ones I correlate as the after affects of being bitten and could perhaps be toxins. Bites being a different entity. But I would like to mention a difference perhaps between your experience and my own. Those red spots in the past did develop at times into a small lesion, but more often than not they did not, but stayed red spots and some turned into freakles. Curious, have you or any of your loved ones experienced a new onset of freckles? I call them freakles.

And for the record for all, I am not prmoting the use of pesticides but only relaying the differences by us going this route this time. I am interested in discussing the differences I have observed and recording those differences here.

Zoe, I totally understand the feelings you described and empathize. It is such a difficult time and although we all here don't agree on everything and sometimes anything, everyone here is supportive to each other regardless. Many well wishes to you and yours.

Frito

From: Zoe <zoe_z3@...>bird mites Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 2:13:53 PMSubject: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

Frito and all,We tried almost EVERY pesticide and bird-mite treatment for our house and car known to mankind for over a year... NO repeated chemical, heat tx, boric acid, roche prufe, DE, windex, cedercide fogging, cleaning, vacuuming, CO2, had had any lasting effect. Our once beautiful, well-loved, healthy, organic home (which we built in large part ourselves)is now a disaster area ruined by heat tx and chemicals. Steri-fad has worked the best for us all all treatments, yet still NOT a cure.So, I don't know what we have bothering us, but we know we need to rebuild a healthy internal and external environment now that our TOXIC war has failed.I am very sad about all this and am crying as I write it. I know it seems really superficial of me, but I LOVE our home. It is where we have raised our children, where all our family and friend came together to enjoy time together and celebrate and have 25 + years of memories and it was my

sanctuary from the world for me as I am easily overwhelmed by modern life... Ever since this mite-mare began in Jan/Feb of 2009 our home has become I place I fear to be.Slowly our home environment had gotten better and better... but in the last few weeks we are getting more 'bites/lesions', especially in the sauna and after we get out of the sauna and it seems that the pest is attracted to the heat from our bodies... not internal since there are no fibers that come out of us and no black specs or anything... Just a very sharp prickle and the a small red dot bump emerges and then in the next few days the bump goes down a tiny bit and the redness increases and expands outward and kind of turns into what looks like a semi-positive TB test. These 'bites' are mainly our our chest, arms, backs, underarms, and the front of elbow joints, back of knees. Also our ears drive us NUTS!It is possible that these red bumps are coming from inside our

bodies and we are simply detoxing during, before, and after saunas... But it never happens to us after we shower, clean out our ears, and get into our well-protected, sterile bed... until the next day when we get more 'bites' in the car, at work or around our home in the evenings.z3> > > > >I've been doing the

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I agree, each pest is pesticide specific. I do understand the targeting of what you have found in your environment. So far, i have had D. Gallinae, but I do believe there is another type of mite in addition to those. The link I posted to those pictures do show D. Gallinae, but in those pictures, there are mites feeding on each other and look entirely different than the D. Gallinae. I have not been successful getting a further ident on those. Also in the picture link, there are springtails within them and two types. One looks like your regular springtail and the other, you can see the underneath appendage like a springtail but its furry.

The size of the mites in incredibly varied. I have some very tiny ones, and then others a little meatier. ?? The size those, of the teeny tiny ones, would be comparable to a mark on a ruler on the millimeter scale. They are not one millimeter in size but if you take just one mark on the millimeter scale, they would be that size. I have heard the comparison to the size of a period but some of these are much smaller and under the microscope, easily identifiable.

Pesticides. The current infestation, was a combination of both pesticides and techniques. The techniques used were spraying and fogging. I was present during the spraying, to make sure all the cracks were covered, underneath all furniture, behind, in furniture, blinds, window sills inside and out, yadi ya. This apartment was literally ransacked. There were three ingredients used, and the receipt is here somewhere, so when I find it I will post it for you. There was aboslutely no smell left from this stuff. The fogger was industrial.

Frito

From: healinghope <mfrreman@...>bird mites Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 2:43:42 PMSubject: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

Frito and Z What pesticides have you used? With the infestation I had of springtails and mites if I spot anything crawling I am targeting the pest, the key word here targeting. Something my farming life has taught me, each pest if pesticide specific. Fortunately all my battle the last 2 years has been an outside battle, the barn and foundation of house a constant battle with springtails. This year I was fine until the flooding rains the south had and I spotted a few springtails and retreated none seen since. I look for the insects now and if spotted I treat the area. Cyonara outside Bifen inside. I have been fortunate and not treated chemically inside for several years. What has everyone else used if using chemicals. Sevin at tractor supply had granules that treat springtails now first I had found anything for springtails listed locally. For the yard and around foundations and the outside of barn the granules are the only way to go for

me, easy and last 2 months. For the barnyard I use cedarcide, horse and stable with fogger. > > > > > > >I've been doing the Dr S. protocol for a couple months and I am getting more bites and prickles now than I was before. I just want me live back soooooooooooo much and I am soooooooo exhausted.> > > >> > > >z3> > > >> > >> >>

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Hi Frito,

This has been an interesting conversation for me.

Yes, these small red bumps do turn into discolored skin (a scare of some sort)

as they heal and look exactly like freckles. We have these freckles all over our

bodies from the past ~15-months.

It is all so confusing as everyone is helped by different things. I am so glad

to hear you have had good results with professional pest control companies.

Unfortunately, we did not get helpful results with 'Professionals'. We used 4

different very well respected Bay area Professional Pest Control companies to

spray and fog our home, yards, cars, sub-area, garage, and attic

repeatedly/regularly over a 12-month period and we had a company called

Thera-Pure come from over 8 hours away to heat our home for 3 days to over 140

degree (but they completely botched the job! The cost of the pest control, heat,

and damage to our home is over $10,000 alone.

We vacuumed the entire house every night for months and used pesticides

ourselves as well and roache prufe, tempo, cyanara, nylar, bifen, etc... with

advice from Rita, who was extremely helpful. She is an amazing person and I miss

her and hope she is well.

We did the 'family man's' / 'Rays' Windex protocol all day every Sunday (took

about 8-hours with both of us working on it each Sunday) for at least 10 weeks:

every inch of the house and cars vacuumed and sprayed/scrubbed with windex.

We have used cedarcide and eco-exempt and many many other nature products...

menthol crystals... CO2, you name it repeatedly.

Unfortunately, despite out HEROIC efforts, nothing environmentally has helped us

yet in the cars. The house has slowly gotten better over time, but is still a

problem.

I agree that this seems like an external and internal problem for us.

We found what looked like bird mites and rodent mites in the first several

months of our infestation. We know they came in from a bird's nest on our garage

and from a rats nest in our attic. UC ext told us it was one or the other,

but that our specimens were not 'good enough' for them to ID which it was for

sure. The mites were much much smaller than a period at the end of a sentence

and completely clear when not filled with blood. We have to use a microscope to

see them at all when not filled with blood. Our dermatologist biopsies one of my

bites at the beginning and the results came back as like a bite from an

arachnoid of some sort. The MD said it was definitely either bird, rodent, or

ear mite bites from the looks of them on our bodies.

We stopped looking for a sample about 6 months ago, because it was too time

consuming and none of the samples we got on tape or in water was ever 'good

enough' according to the entomologists.

My husband also sometimes does find microscopic clear shrimp-like things on this

face when he feeling crawling there.

Now we are trying only strategies that are completely healthy for us in the

long-run. No more toxic exposure, as it has led nowhere for us for too long.

in the past our local and Stanford MD's have had us on Ivermictin, Doxycycline,

Permethrin, etc...

Now we are completing month 2 and beginning month 3 of an external/internal

cleanse with Dr. S, HHA, and ESP botanical products... Last night was the

first night that I was able to stay in the sauna for at a temp of over 140

degree for an hour. It is our hope that if our current protocol will be more

healing at this higher temp, as it took me a few weeks to slowly build up from

120 degree.

I look forward to hearing of your journey Frito, as although all of us posting

on this website will have success and failure from different things than each

other, we learn soooooooo much from each other and NEED each other for trying to

figure out what the HELL (am I allowed to say that word on this site?) is going

on and for basic support in this horrible journey so we can all keep moving

forward.

z3

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Ya know Z, I have found this conversation to be very helpful as well!!!

You described the following,

Quote" We found what looked like bird mites and rodent mites in the first several months of our infestation. We know they came in from a bird's nest on our garage and from a rats nest in our attic. UC ext told us it was one or the other, but that our specimens were not 'good enough' for them to ID which it was for sure. The mites were much much smaller than a period at the end of a sentence and completely clear when not filled with blood. We have to use a microscope to see them at all when not filled with blood. Our dermatologist biopsies one of my bites at the beginning and the results came back as like a bite from an arachnoid of some sort. The MD said it was definitely either bird, rodent, or ear mite bites from the looks of them on our bodies.We stopped looking for a sample about 6 months ago, because it was too time consuming and none of the samples we got on tape

or in water was ever 'good enough' according to the entomologists..." End Quote

You described exactly we what encountered too the first time around!!! It is always so nice to connect with others, even though the connection is something awful, it still helps the psychi for a few moments.

Frito

From: Zoe <zoe_z3@...>bird mites Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 12:25:17 PMSubject: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

Hi Frito,This has been an interesting conversation for me.Yes, these small red bumps do turn into discolored skin (a scare of some sort) as they heal and look exactly like freckles. We have these freckles all over our bodies from the past ~15-months.It is all so confusing as everyone is helped by different things. I am so glad to hear you have had good results with professional pest control companies.Unfortunately, we did not get helpful results with 'Professionals'. We used 4 different very well respected Bay area Professional Pest Control companies to spray and fog our home, yards, cars, sub-area, garage, and attic repeatedly/regularly over a 12-month period and we had a company called Thera-Pure come from over 8 hours away to heat our home for 3 days to over 140 degree (but they completely botched the job! The cost of the pest control, heat, and damage to our home is over $10,000 alone.We vacuumed the entire

house every night for months and used pesticides ourselves as well and roache prufe, tempo, cyanara, nylar, bifen, etc... with advice from Rita, who was extremely helpful. She is an amazing person and I miss her and hope she is well.We did the 'family man's' / 'Rays' Windex protocol all day every Sunday (took about 8-hours with both of us working on it each Sunday) for at least 10 weeks: every inch of the house and cars vacuumed and sprayed/scrubbed with windex. We have used cedarcide and eco-exempt and many many other nature products... menthol crystals... CO2, you name it repeatedly.Unfortunately, despite out HEROIC efforts, nothing environmentally has helped us yet in the cars. The house has slowly gotten better over time, but is still a problem.I agree that this seems like an external and internal problem for us. We found what looked like bird mites and rodent mites in the first several months of our

infestation. We know they came in from a bird's nest on our garage and from a rats nest in our attic. UC ext told us it was one or the other, but that our specimens were not 'good enough' for them to ID which it was for sure. The mites were much much smaller than a period at the end of a sentence and completely clear when not filled with blood. We have to use a microscope to see them at all when not filled with blood. Our dermatologist biopsies one of my bites at the beginning and the results came back as like a bite from an arachnoid of some sort. The MD said it was definitely either bird, rodent, or ear mite bites from the looks of them on our bodies.We stopped looking for a sample about 6 months ago, because it was too time consuming and none of the samples we got on tape or in water was ever 'good enough' according to the entomologists.My husband also sometimes does find microscopic clear shrimp-like things on this face when he

feeling crawling there.Now we are trying only strategies that are completely healthy for us in the long-run. No more toxic exposure, as it has led nowhere for us for too long.in the past our local and Stanford MD's have had us on Ivermictin, Doxycycline, Permethrin, etc... Now we are completing month 2 and beginning month 3 of an external/internal cleanse with Dr. S, HHA, and ESP botanical products... Last night was the first night that I was able to stay in the sauna for at a temp of over 140 degree for an hour. It is our hope that if our current protocol will be more healing at this higher temp, as it took me a few weeks to slowly build up from 120 degree.I look forward to hearing of your journey Frito, as although all of us posting on this website will have success and failure from different things than each other, we learn soooooooo much from each other and NEED each other for trying to figure out what the HELL

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Bobby,

I loved the link to the Poor Mans Protocol! I found it to have well organised

advice and info. I'm glad you, , me and others on this website are all in

the process of using Dr. S's protocol at the same time. You have an excellent

outlook about this healing process and are so patient in your approach. I'm

going to meditate on building up my patience and preference as I soak in the tub

this evening. I need to pull myself out of burn-out mode and you, , Lynn

(doing the 3-pt plan), and others set a good model for me.

By the way, Lynn... how are you doing with the HHA 3-pt plan at this point?

Please share when you have time.

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Zoe, do you live in the Bay Area as well ?

So far, I am counting Rose, .

Stanford slapped the DOP label so fast on me, I just wanna to die.

Marguerite

From: Zoe <zoe_z3@...>Subject: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles nowbird mites Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 4:35 PM

Bobby,I loved the link to the Poor Mans Protocol! I found it to have well organised advice and info. I'm glad you, , me and others on this website are all in the process of using Dr. S's protocol at the same time. You have an excellent outlook about this healing process and are so patient in your approach. I'm going to meditate on building up my patience and preference as I soak in the tub this evening. I need to pull myself out of burn-out mode and you, , Lynn (doing the 3-pt plan), and others set a good model for me.By the way, Lynn... how are you doing with the HHA 3-pt plan at this point? Please share when you have time.z3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I've been doing the Dr S. protocol for a couple months and I am getting more bites and prickles

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Bobby,

Thanks for the " Poor Man's Protocol " link.

Exercise, sunlight and fresh air (oxygen) feel like things we need an

overabundance of.

Eliminating EMFs (electro magnetic fields) is another (computers, cell phones,

etc.).

Hope McCain's " 3-Point Plan " accelerates the healing generated by Dr.

Staninger's protocol you've been doing.

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Yes we do live in the Bay area. Stanford labelled our lesions as folliculitus

and NEVER did any biopsy or culture to find out what is causing it. They gave us

60 day Rx for Doxycycline. We never went back bacause the Rx did not cause any

change in our condition at all. At that point we decided to try Dr. S and HHA

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sauce only good for you!

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Super! I have all of those things!

Thanks, Bobby -

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Hi Marguerite,That pisses me off so much about the DOP BS.Wish i could of been there when They talked to You like that!!!!Love U,Rose...I am really sorry that this depression is hitting you hard to be honest I know the feeling lately.I find it very offensive being a nurse.They trust us with human life but I guess that diagnostic ability We are taught is not supposed to apply to ourselves...God forbid that would be heresy.But then again they are not versed in man-made disorders..Hugs,RoseFrom: Marguerite <gentlebaybreeze2@...>bird mites Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 4:47:03 PMSubject: Re: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

Zoe, do you live in the Bay Area as well ?

So far, I am counting Rose, .

Stanford slapped the DOP label so fast on me, I just wanna to die.

Marguerite

From: Zoe <zoe_z3 (DOT) com>Subject: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles nowbird mitesDate: Friday, May 21, 2010, 4:35 PM

Bobby,I loved the link to the Poor Mans Protocol! I found it to have well organised advice and info. I'm glad you, , me and others on this website are all in the process of using Dr. S's protocol at the same time. You have an excellent outlook about this healing process and are so patient in your approach. I'm going to meditate on building up my patience and preference as I soak in the tub this evening. I need to pull myself out of burn-out mode and you, , Lynn (doing the 3-pt plan), and others set a good model for me.By the way, Lynn... how are you doing with the HHA 3-pt plan at this point? Please share when you have time.z3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I've been doing the Dr S. protocol for a couple months and I am getting more bites and prickles

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