Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

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You can t take this day by day but rather month by month. Dr s protocol might

not be the final steps for you. It is a constant battle. Frito s journay

started out with her protocol. I m not saying that it is in answer but a step

in the right direction. I did a lot before i did her protocol. She is honestly

a bit loopy. She has the right idea though. I would suggest seeing a natropath

if you still need it. Not everything works on everyone. From my experience the

main thing is heavy detox. If things don t work out in the end please let me

know.

On Wed May 19th, 2010 12:30 AM EDT Zoe wrote:

>I've been doing the Dr S. protocol for a couple months and I am getting more

bites and prickles now than I was before. I just want me live back

soooooooooooo much and I am soooooooo exhausted.

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Hi Zoe,I think you and I started about the same time. I'm still getting sensations too. I haven't given up however. Still doing the Rainbow regularly. If what you have is Morgellons (and it may not be) it could take a long time to get rid of, so I agree with . The detox can only help in the long run. I'm so sorry you are still getting lots of bites. My sensations increased tremendously the first month--probably tripled. I don't know why. I have days with very few sensations and then I start to get them again. It is bewildering. I think the FAR Infrared causes exhaustion, or maybe it is the detoxing. I don't know for sure. Hang in there Z3. I know how discouraging it feels tho. Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

You can t take this day by day but rather month by month. Dr s protocol might not be the final steps for you. It is a constant battle. Frito s journay started out with her protocol. I m not saying that it is in answer but a step in the right direction. I did a lot before i did her protocol. She is honestly a bit loopy. She has the right idea though. I would suggest seeing a natropath if you still need it. Not everything works on everyone. From my experience the main thing is heavy detox. If things don t work out in the end please let me know.On Wed May 19th, 2010 12:30 AM EDT Zoe wrote:>I've been doing the Dr S. protocol for a couple months and I am getting more bites and prickles now than I was before. I just want me live back soooooooooooo much and I am soooooooo exhausted.>>z3>

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Z3, Are you doing her full protocol or have you selected bits and pieces? I've

only been doing about 60% of it for a month and seem to be gradually improving.

Are you taking the Willard Water and Chac Mool waters internally, bathing in

them and spraying your environment with them as suggested? I feel I still have

to hit my environment along with her protocol. I am going to spray my house this

week with a combo of these two waters. I feel these waters have been very

helpful for me, like the Anu water has been for Rush. I also have taken the Anu

water on and off, again another product full of minerals.

I also have added Samento and Venus Fly Trap for lyme (myherbs.net) along with

Pau D'arco pulsing.

I am also making sure I take a good mineral supplement (herbalhealer.com -

liquid colloidals) along with amino acids (Braggs liquid aminos - three squirts

a day - found in almost any market as a soy sauce substitute), digestive enzymes

and a good probiotic. B

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bites and prickles now than I was before. I just want me live back

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Yes, my journey started with her protocol and I absolutely agree with heavy detox and that one product may work for some and not others. For example, the FIR was definately not helpful to me when I tried it. And I tried it many times in that first year of heavy detox. It caused many intolerable herxs in which I went through an exhaustion phase every time I did it and could not function for days to weeks in some instances and my skin would go into a hyper-acute mode. To others, FIR has been a wonderful tool, but was not helpful to me in the stage I was in at that time. I believe what was happening at that time was my skin was the detox mechanism in which my body was ejecting all those toxins. Since I have been successful in finding a binder capable of

binding those toxins, I have had much better results in the improvement of my skin and the hyper-acute mode and in addition to other products I use. As now I am promoting the removal of toxins through the intestine and feces instead of the skin. I also take other things with helping my kidneys to clear them as well, resulting in urinary toxin removal as well. Detox is not a simple or straightforward approach and must be modified to each person according to the types of toxins and how much exposure has occurred, and if this person is capable of detoxing certain substances or not. Some of us detox better than others.

Dr. S's protocol was a beginning and is still a supportive adjunct I use. Yeah, she is a bit loopy, but she really does know her stuff about detoxing the human body. I don't know how mine got so bad, unless I am a pathological detoxer, meaning incapable of detoxing due to genetics/deficiencies, etc.

Z, I know the sadness you talk about. Its a darn struggle to get anywhere, and its toll is so heavy. Keep hammering. The results are slow in coming on a daily basis, but in the longer term, you will begin to see improvement.

BUT IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE YOU HAVE A CURRENT INFESTATION OF MITES, THEY WILL NOT GO AWAY ON THEIR OWN. YOU MUST TREAT THE ENVIRONMENT TO KILL THE MITES, OR YOU WILL KEEP GETTING CONTINUAL HITS FROM THEM AND YOU NEVER MAKE ANY PROGRESS. And also, what they seem to leave behind on us, they certainly are in the environment. So pesticides are not the only answer to the environment. Just one solution for the mites themselves. And I say this as lovingly as I can.

Keep hammering.

Frito

From: <danielwalker94949@...>bird mites Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 12:14:54 AMSubject: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

You can t take this day by day but rather month by month. Dr s protocol might not be the final steps for you. It is a constant battle. Frito s journay started out with her protocol. I m not saying that it is in answer but a step in the right direction. I did a lot before i did her protocol. She is honestly a bit loopy. She has the right idea though. I would suggest seeing a natropath if you still need it. Not everything works on everyone. From my experience the main thing is heavy detox. If things don t work out in the end please let me know.On Wed May 19th, 2010 12:30 AM EDT Zoe wrote:>I've been doing the Dr S. protocol for a couple months and I am getting more bites and prickles now than I was before. I just want me live back soooooooooooo much and I am soooooooo exhausted.>>z3>

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I've been meaning to make this comment for a long time:

Doing Dr. S's protocol is as much about what NOT to do as what to do. When

people mix insectides, lots of prescription medication, and chemicals in the

environment, that is contrary to the protocol.

Sometimes I read where people are " combining " her protocol with things that are

opposed to the basics. It won't work that way.

Of course, it may not work anyway for some people, unfortunately.

Bessie

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Should add that I do use a few supplements that are not on her protocol, for my

own particular issues (like osteoporosis).

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I've just been scrubbing and steam cleaning with orange plus and also vacuuming

in the environment. I'll try spraying the ww and chac mool waters too.

I've only been bathing 1 time a week now, cuz the daily 1 hr saunas take up so

much of our free time w/work, cleaning, life responsibilities, etc... Should I

try to fit in more baths?

What is a 'pulsing'? I can try the supplements you mentioned... but I am already

doing a lot with about 80% of 40-item list from Dr. S, plus essiac tea 2 times

daily and other assorted things...

We are not doing the candida or low pH diet and perhaps that is slowing our

progress. We are eating only organic foods and drinking only willard water and

choc mool waters. And we are not eating any sugar or sweeteners in our foods. We

do have cheese and nuts, which I know others discontinued to heal themselves.

Dr. S doesn't mention diet changes to candida or no sugar, no cheese, and in

fact she suggests tons of juice products. We are only having whole fruit though,

NO JUICE.

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You can address my post directly you know. And I have been meaning to make this comment for a long time as well. Dr. Staningers protocol helped me to address toxins and the enzyme deficiencies. Those from my environment in which this time I am doing what most normal people would do to rid their environment of pests, in my particular case, birdmites, D. gallinae and that would be the use of pesticides, yes. The additional damage I may be doing by doing exactly this and on top of what I may have already done to my body prior to both birdmite infestations.

My point being, and always has been, if you do have birdmites, Dr. S's protocol will not just make them go away. Even though you are treating your body. If you do not have birdmites, and you believe it is morgellons, then her protocol may help you. In both instances, because the birdmites behaviour has changed, one consideration is that our bodies are either harboring something in which attracts them and allows them to live their entire lifecycle on us, or they have evolved. I prefer to think and from my own experience, using her protocol to detox and improve my body, I am addressing what my body may harbor.

Combining her protocol without addressing the basics? The basics being birdmites, the title of this forum and what I and some others here feel has been left behind by their infestation and biting, and living on our persons. Her protocol does not address the presence of birdmites, period. It addresses the body and detox, and enzyme deficienes, and the liver detox mechanisms, NOT birdmites. Her protocol helps the body address what comes after them. In my particular case, Lyme and company is a toxin disease in its own right. Another good aspect to her protocol. Mold exposure, another good aspect to apply her protocol, but to kill birdmites and keep them from biting you, it takes both addressing what might be in your body, and what you are putting into your environment or what is in your environment. BUT it does not directly kill BIRDMITES and keep them from coming into the home at their access point and

continually biting the occupants of the home.

Its not a question of combining her protocol with others that detract as you would suggest, but a question of using it to recover from not only previous damage we may have exposed ourselves to and suspect to be part of the bug attraction, and to address why we have more trouble than others, doing exactly what they did, but not recovering from the infestation and whatever else they may leave behind. I listened to people who said exactly that to me during the first infestation, and because I couldn't get these damn things identified the first time around, I refused to treat my environment with pesticides, and I unwittingly allowed the cycle of these damn birdmites to continually live and attack me and my son!! I have learned a lot since then, and let this post be a caution to others in which have identified their attackers and do not be disuaded by those I listened to the first time around. Again, it is not a question of

combining in the sense you have presented Bessie.

Frito

From: Bessie <bessieglavas@...>bird mites Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 9:56:46 AMSubject: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

I've been meaning to make this comment for a long time:Doing Dr. S's protocol is as much about what NOT to do as what to do. When people mix insectides, lots of prescription medication, and chemicals in the environment, that is contrary to the protocol.Sometimes I read where people are "combining" her protocol with things that are opposed to the basics. It won't work that way.Of course, it may not work anyway for some people, unfortunately.Bessie> > >I've been doing the Dr S. protocol for a couple months and I am getting more bites and prickles now than I was before. I just want me live back soooooooooooo much and I am soooooooo exhausted.> >> >z3> >>

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I do think there is some external mobile microscopic pest in our environment at

home, work, the cars, other places we have frequented and at places like

museums, airplanes, medical facilities, etc... that are very attracted to us.

I am at a huge loss for how to rid our environment of this. But am COMPLETELY

done with any toxic chemicals. I will keep plugging away with the natural

cleaning protocols. I'll try spraying with the waters from the S. protocol and

I'll try MMS1 activated in the cars while we NOT in it...

Frito, What are you doing internally and externally to your body now that you

are finding success with? What products do you use for intestinal cleanse and

kidney support, etc...

What are you using to clear your environment of pests?

Thanks,

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Frito Agree and agree again if live pest are visible pesticides must be

considered. Also the proper identification, which you have done, each pesticide

is host specific.

I am so glad some one has spoke up and expressed this go's so much further than

just a sauna and a few specific treatments. These pest the mites and springtails

had infected me with something, be it lyme and or morgellons. So then pest must

be addressed! And without a doubt either the birdmites or one of the other

insects involved in this multiple infestation has mutated morphed or altered.

Prevention now is all that keeps me from another infestation and infection, not

a sauna. Prevention being treatment of my yard and self, elimination of all

birds and rodent nest. Checking my animals and bathing my animals.

Even my detox came from something Dr Staningers said will only make one

sicker????? MMS. At least bathing in the MMS can only help if infested with

parasites common sense will tell me that much. Perhaps this is vectored to the

insects from plants, here is a very interesting article.

I have never and still do not beleive I was vectored with this from anything

other than an insect.

http://farmwars.info/?p=2793

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Frito and all,

We tried almost EVERY pesticide and bird-mite treatment for our house and car

known to mankind for over a year... NO repeated chemical, heat tx, boric acid,

roche prufe, DE, windex, cedercide fogging, cleaning, vacuuming, CO2, had had

any lasting effect. Our once beautiful, well-loved, healthy, organic home

(which we built in large part ourselves)is now a disaster area ruined by heat tx

and chemicals. Steri-fad has worked the best for us all all treatments, yet

still NOT a cure.

So, I don't know what we have bothering us, but we know we need to rebuild a

healthy internal and external environment now that our TOXIC war has failed.

I am very sad about all this and am crying as I write it. I know it seems really

superficial of me, but I LOVE our home. It is where we have raised our

children, where all our family and friend came together to enjoy time together

and celebrate and have 25 + years of memories and it was my sanctuary from the

world for me as I am easily overwhelmed by modern life... Ever since this

mite-mare began in Jan/Feb of 2009 our home has become I place I fear to be.

Slowly our home environment had gotten better and better... but in the last few

weeks we are getting more 'bites/lesions', especially in the sauna and after we

get out of the sauna and it seems that the pest is attracted to the heat from

our bodies... not internal since there are no fibers that come out of us and no

black specs or anything... Just a very sharp prickle and the a small red dot

bump emerges and then in the next few days the bump goes down a tiny bit and the

redness increases and expands outward and kind of turns into what looks like a

semi-positive TB test. These 'bites' are mainly our our chest, arms, backs,

underarms, and the front of elbow joints, back of knees. Also our ears drive us

NUTS!

It is possible that these red bumps are coming from inside our bodies and we are

simply detoxing during, before, and after saunas... But it never happens to us

after we shower, clean out our ears, and get into our well-protected, sterile

bed... until the next day when we get more 'bites' in the car, at work or around

our home in the evenings.

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Z If there are no visible pest by all means do not use pesticide, use activated

MMS1 in your home in my opinion you are dealing with parasites and or mold or

agrobacterium. I even use the chlorine dioxide on my meats vegetables

countertops ect. The homemade enzyme and fels naptha for floors ect.

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Frito and Z What pesticides have you used? With the infestation I had of

springtails and mites if I spot anything crawling I am targeting the pest, the

key word here targeting. Something my farming life has taught me, each pest if

pesticide specific.

Fortunately all my battle the last 2 years has been an outside battle, the barn

and foundation of house a constant battle with springtails. This year I was fine

until the flooding rains the south had and I spotted a few springtails and

retreated none seen since. I look for the insects now and if spotted I treat

the area. Cyonara outside Bifen inside. I have been fortunate and not treated

chemically inside for several years.

What has everyone else used if using chemicals. Sevin at tractor supply had

granules that treat springtails now first I had found anything for springtails

listed locally. For the yard and around foundations and the outside of barn the

granules are the only way to go for me, easy and last 2 months. For the barnyard

I use cedarcide, horse and stable with fogger.

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Using chlorine dioxide as disinfectant and sanitizer.

http://www.epa.gov/opp00001/factsheets/chemicals/chlorinedioxidefactsheet.htm

I use 10 drops activated in front of my window air conditioners every other week

works great for mold fungus ect. Also takes care of sick room syndrome.

http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/71/9/5399

http://ezinearticles.com/?Do-You-Have-Sick-House-Syndrome? & id=888182

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MMS1 is chlorine dioxide.

http://www.mmshealthyforlife.com/

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Frito -

That was not specifically directed at you. Many people combine antibiotics, etc,

with her protocol (and I'm not talking about for a specific thing, like a

bladder infection, but as a shot gun approach).

Living in a 45 year old house in FL, bugs come in all the time. I can kill

anything I see with 20/80 orange oil and water. I've even killed those huge

palmetto bugs with it. I keep a spray bottle of it around in case I see them,

and I clean everything with it - floors, windows, etc.

I think there are other ways to kill bugs without petrochemicals - the number

one thing she says to avoid.

I am sorry that you have had a re-invasion of something, and hope you can get

through this period quickly.

Bessie

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There isn't any doubt in my mind that these are insects.Frito Your post is accurate in my opinion,HH too.Z I really feel for You.Hard to be so vigilant and then continue to suffer.I don't think there is one answer to this.I still have springtails in the enviroment.My daughter is moving out and She hasn't at all chosen to get that She is a carrier...I am generally very clean and She kinda is opposite.I am sad that She is in such denial.She is a beautiful girl and these mites are infesting her face and back..I am still better after doxy(3months now)..worked for me and I know for others it maybe didn't do anything..weird...I still find great value in MMS but now bit afraid to take internally???I think it actually did me good prior to the doxy(3 months ago) when i was up to about 35-40

drops a day...anyway at this point it remains a very powerful way to get some flaky stuff off my face..and as a cleaning agent..I can tell how much the mites,cheytallia(sp) hate it...also def. a fiber remover..I have some sores on the legs like Rush...I believe it's because of the springtails on the floors...believe they just jump up and bite ankles and lower legs....haven't seen any adult springtails in awhile....but these floors are a constant job vaccuuming,cleaning etc...Hope things get better for everybody.Love,RFrom: healinghope <mfrreman@...>To:

bird mites Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 12:43:42 PMSubject: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

Frito and Z What pesticides have you used? With the infestation I had of springtails and mites if I spot anything crawling I am targeting the pest, the key word here targeting. Something my farming life has taught me, each pest if pesticide specific.

Fortunately all my battle the last 2 years has been an outside battle, the barn and foundation of house a constant battle with springtails. This year I was fine until the flooding rains the south had and I spotted a few springtails and retreated none seen since. I look for the insects now and if spotted I treat the area. Cyonara outside Bifen inside. I have been fortunate and not treated chemically inside for several years.

What has everyone else used if using chemicals. Sevin at tractor supply had granules that treat springtails now first I had found anything for springtails listed locally. For the yard and around foundations and the outside of barn the granules are the only way to go for me, easy and last 2 months. For the barnyard I use cedarcide, horse and stable with fogger.

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After reading all Dr S material on sauna detoxing and experimenting in my sauna,

I believe (for me) that the benefit of the sauna is that it is, an almost air

tight container. I believe when I spend enough time in my sauna, I deplete the

oxygen level low enough to kill all organizm that have no lungs. I breath faster

as the oxygen level goes down but the Morgs can't do this and die. I use a

candle as a gauge to read oxygen deplet

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Rose Have you tried the MMS1 activated in each room over weeks. Leave the

environment or close the door to each room while disinfecting. Springtails feed

on mold and fungus.

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If wanting to spend more to rule out mold fungus and be sure of safety? I can

assure you the safety using the cheaper version MMS1 has not been a problem for

myself.

http://www.odorxit.com/?clo2sizing~ANCOsickHo

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Thank You,I think I will def. try that!!I see you said there to keep it up for a weeks..good idea.From: healinghope <mfrreman@...>bird mites Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 2:02:55 PMSubject: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

Rose Have you tried the MMS1 activated in each room over weeks. Leave the environment or close the door to each room while disinfecting. Springtails feed on mold and fungus.

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Thank You very interesting!!From: healinghope <mfrreman@...>bird mites Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 2:20:56 PMSubject: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

If wanting to spend more to rule out mold fungus and be sure of safety? I can assure you the safety using the cheaper version MMS1 has not been a problem for myself.

http://www.odorxit.com/?clo2sizing~ANCOsickHo

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Zoe, it sounds like you are doing really well. I just fogged my house today,

with a respirator on for it could cause a major herx of the lung fibers, with 3

capfuls of dark willard water, 1 capful of the chac mool mineral water and 1/2

capful of the chac mool blitzed water to a gallon of water. No crawling in the

house today. I will let you know how it works.

I take a short hot shower before the FIR to bring my body temp up so the sauna

is more effective. I think the detox bath is a very important part of the

protocol. I take mine after the FIR. It does not have to be a long time in it.

Have to tried the funga soap and endure 300 combo to see what is coming out of

your skin? I still keep getting tons of debris coming out of my skin after two

months of trying really hard with the FIR. My skin looks great though. The FIR

is a plus for that.

I consider a dose of a supplement that I do not take all the time a pulse. For

example, 1 hour before my FIR, I may pulse 15 drops of Pau D'arco, a cayenne or

tumeric capsule, a couple of tablespoons of Dr S. cayenne tonic, a cup of hot,

spicy tea to get a better purge. I do not take any of these regularly so I am

pulsing them, I think, lol.

I usually do take the Pau D'arco 2/3 times a day, I have just been taking a

break from it.

I think the NAC and MSM I take are really helping too. She does not seem too

concerned about the sugars, all her tonics have honey in them. Are you eating

the list of her veggies she likes? Trying to juice veggies at all? It is hard

work to try and pull her protocol togeather and to make time for it. I have read

or heard her say somewhere that you will be amazed after three months on it, how

much better you will be doing.

How many Happy Tummy treatments have you done? I think you will feel better and

better with each one if you do the whole ten days each time. Your system will

keep getting cleaner and cleaner. Bessie has always stressed how important it is

to really clean the guts out. You really don't realise how bad your guts are

till you use this stuff. b

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> > > >I've been doing the Dr S. protocol for a couple months and I am getting

more bites and prickles now than I was before. I just want me live back

soooooooooooo much and I am soooooooo exhausted.

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Good explanation Frito!

From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@...>bird mites Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 2:36:49 PMSubject: Re: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

You can address my post directly you know. And I have been meaning to make this comment for a long time as well. Dr. Staningers protocol helped me to address toxins and the enzyme deficiencies. Those from my environment in which this time I am doing what most normal people would do to rid their environment of pests, in my particular case, birdmites, D. gallinae and that would be the use of pesticides, yes. The additional damage I may be doing by doing exactly this and on top of what I may have already done to my body prior to both birdmite infestations.

My point being, and always has been, if you do have birdmites, Dr. S's protocol will not just make them go away. Even though you are treating your body. If you do not have birdmites, and you believe it is morgellons, then her protocol may help you. In both instances, because the birdmites behaviour has changed, one consideration is that our bodies are either harboring something in which attracts them and allows them to live their entire lifecycle on us, or they have evolved. I prefer to think and from my own experience, using her protocol to detox and improve my body, I am addressing what my body may harbor.

Combining her protocol without addressing the basics? The basics being birdmites, the title of this forum and what I and some others here feel has been left behind by their infestation and biting, and living on our persons. Her protocol does not address the presence of birdmites, period. It addresses the body and detox, and enzyme deficienes, and the liver detox mechanisms, NOT birdmites. Her protocol helps the body address what comes after them. In my particular case, Lyme and company is a toxin disease in its own right. Another good aspect to her protocol. Mold exposure, another good aspect to apply her protocol, but to kill birdmites and keep them from biting you, it takes both addressing what might be in your body, and what you are putting into your environment or what is in your environment. BUT it does not directly kill BIRDMITES and keep them from coming into the home at their access point and

continually biting the occupants of the home.

Its not a question of combining her protocol with others that detract as you would suggest, but a question of using it to recover from not only previous damage we may have exposed ourselves to and suspect to be part of the bug attraction, and to address why we have more trouble than others, doing exactly what they did, but not recovering from the infestation and whatever else they may leave behind. I listened to people who said exactly that to me during the first infestation, and because I couldn't get these damn things identified the first time around, I refused to treat my environment with pesticides, and I unwittingly allowed the cycle of these damn birdmites to continually live and attack me and my son!! I have learned a lot since then, and let this post be a caution to others in which have identified their attackers and do not be disuaded by those I listened to the first time around. Again, it is not a question of

combining in the sense you have presented Bessie.

Frito

From: Bessie <bessieglavas>bird mitesSent: Wed, May 19, 2010 9:56:46 AMSubject: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

I've been meaning to make this comment for a long time:Doing Dr. S's protocol is as much about what NOT to do as what to do. When people mix insectides, lots of prescription medication, and chemicals in the environment, that is contrary to the protocol.Sometimes I read where people are "combining" her protocol with things that are opposed to the basics. It won't work that way.Of course, it may not work anyway for some people, unfortunately.Bessie> > >I've been doing the Dr S. protocol for a couple months and I am getting more bites and prickles now than I was before. I just want me live back soooooooooooo much and I am soooooooo exhausted.> >> >z3> >>

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I agree about needing to both detox your body AND treat the environement. For environmental treatments, the only chemical I use is windex (in my car, but only when I am not going to be in it). Some other effective tools that I use to treat the environment are exposed UVC bulbs, frequent vacuuming, washing cloths with borax, mositening & microwaving cloths after infestation, and getting rid of all carpets. I also wear shorts/sandles, and use repellants on my ankles/feet. I find that just a little bit of Cedar oil on my ankles/feet works amazingly well (prevents mites on the floor from getting on me). Of course, you must first be decontaminated and must not touch/sit on contaminated objects.

J

From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@...>bird mites Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 9:29:20 AMSubject: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

Yes, my journey started with her protocol and I absolutely agree with heavy detox and that one product may work for some and not others. For example, the FIR was definately not helpful to me when I tried it. And I tried it many times in that first year of heavy detox. It caused many intolerable herxs in which I went through an exhaustion phase every time I did it and could not function for days to weeks in some instances and my skin would go into a hyper-acute mode. To others, FIR has been a wonderful tool, but was not helpful to me in the stage I was in at that time. I believe what was happening at that time was my skin was the detox mechanism in which my body was ejecting all those toxins. Since I have been successful in finding a binder capable of binding those toxins, I have had much better results in the improvement of my skin and the hyper-acute mode and in addition to other products I use. As now

I am promoting the removal of toxins through the intestine and feces instead of the skin. I also take other things with helping my kidneys to clear them as well, resulting in urinary toxin removal as well. Detox is not a simple or straightforward approach and must be modified to each person according to the types of toxins and how much exposure has occurred, and if this person is capable of detoxing certain substances or not. Some of us detox better than others.

Dr. S's protocol was a beginning and is still a supportive adjunct I use. Yeah, she is a bit loopy, but she really does know her stuff about detoxing the human body. I don't know how mine got so bad, unless I am a pathological detoxer, meaning incapable of detoxing due to genetics/deficienci es, etc.

Z, I know the sadness you talk about. Its a darn struggle to get anywhere, and its toll is so heavy. Keep hammering. The results are slow in coming on a daily basis, but in the longer term, you will begin to see improvement.

BUT IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE YOU HAVE A CURRENT INFESTATION OF MITES, THEY WILL NOT GO AWAY ON THEIR OWN. YOU MUST TREAT THE ENVIRONMENT TO KILL THE MITES, OR YOU WILL KEEP GETTING CONTINUAL HITS FROM THEM AND YOU NEVER MAKE ANY PROGRESS. And also, what they seem to leave behind on us, they certainly are in the environment. So pesticides are not the only answer to the environment. Just one solution for the mites themselves. And I say this as lovingly as I can.

Keep hammering.

Frito

From: <danielwalker94949>bird mitesSent: Wed, May 19, 2010 12:14:54 AMSubject: Re: I m sad because I am getting more bites and prickles now

You can t take this day by day but rather month by month. Dr s protocol might not be the final steps for you. It is a constant battle. Frito s journay started out with her protocol. I m not saying that it is in answer but a step in the right direction. I did a lot before i did her protocol. She is honestly a bit loopy. She has the right idea though. I would suggest seeing a natropath if you still need it. Not everything works on everyone. From my experience the main thing is heavy detox. If things don t work out in the end please let me know.On Wed May 19th, 2010 12:30 AM EDT Zoe wrote:>I've been doing the Dr S. protocol for a couple months and I am getting more bites and prickles now than I was before. I just want me live back soooooooooooo much and I am soooooooo exhausted.>>z3>