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Hi Ron

I dusted 1 room with Roach prufe & within 2 hrs I couldn & #39;t breathe , So I

soaked the room with 1 cup epsom salt & 5 cups water to dry on top of the Roach

prufe like a salt dried glaze , I still gagged for 2 weeks. Then I applied he

Roach prufe to my the back of my neck & the base of my spinal cord at my cockix

started vibrating , I thought it was my cellphone in my back pocket vibrating ,

but when I reached for the phone it was not there.It kept vibrating for 3 hrs.

I do use the roach prufe in un inhabited areas. I used the RP ( roache prufe in

my old apt & left it with a fan running in the window , the air from the apt

blowing out the fan into the window srcreen shreded the screen to strings. Rita

said it will ruin & vacuum cleaner if a very fine hepa filter type isn & #39;t

used .

I just had to pay the landlord $60.00 for that screen. .

It would be easier to heat treat to 170 degrees like zooks did with turbo

heaters in the windows for 6 hrs, 3 saturdays in a row. she at least got to keep

he stuff , unlike most of the rest of us who have thrown it all away.

I heattreat items in a 14 gallon rubbermaid container with an insestructible

vidal sasson

hair dryer to 170 dgrees for 3 hrs , it works & dosent melt anything yet , I do

my boots easpecially.

For papers & books I use carbondioxide like the do for all our organic

vegtables. , it works gret on live bug , but dosnt kills eggs I suppose . All

my tax fies were a nite mare before I loaded them in to my car & ipened the

valve of a 20 lb c02 tank rented from the welding shop for $5 per months . &

filled for $12.68 . I keep my laptop in a 2.5 gal ziplock always , until I use

it , I makes it bugless after 2 months of in & out of the gas , causing hatching

& killing , hatching & re gassing , & so on & so on ..... I am afraid to

heattreat a laptop , but I have an old one I am going to experiment on .Heat

kills eggs they say .

God bless you ,

Bill

Ps dawn kills the bug in the bath so it can & #39;t reattach I always squit a bit

when showering or bathng

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> I have done site searches from this group for Boric Acid products like

Roach Prufe (RP) and others like Mop Up. All the usage comments were positive.

RP is used a lot in a lot of ways and the results are good . So I used some RP

on some furniture and mopped Boric Acid on tile floor. I began to have sinus

problems 24 hours after applying the BA to the floor. I first thought I may

have inhaled a little while working with the BA and it would go away, but it

didn't. After 4 days I washed the floor 3x to take up the BA. Within 24 hours,

my sinuses were cleared. I also opened the windows to air the apartment and keep

down the humidity. My wife is now having sinus problems although I am not. She

may be getting a late reaction to the BA on the floor (she started having

symptoms just before I took it up) or the airing stirred up the RP. We'll see.

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RP did seem to help a lot of folks who used it. But it did not help us and we

used it heavily in our home for months everywhere.

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> I have done site searches from this group for Boric Acid products like Roach

Prufe (RP) and others like Mop Up. All the usage comments were positive. RP is

used a lot in a lot of ways and the results are good . So I used some RP on some

furniture and mopped Boric Acid on tile floor. I began to have sinus problems 24

hours after applying the BA to the floor. I first thought I may have inhaled a

little while working with the BA and it would go away, but it didn't. After 4

days I washed the floor 3x to take up the BA. Within 24 hours, my sinuses were

cleared. I also opened the windows to air the apartment and keep down the

humidity. My wife is now having sinus problems although I am not. She may be

getting a late reaction to the BA on the floor (she started having symptoms just

before I took it up) or the airing stirred up the RP. We'll see.

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I like and Buggerds idea of using the powders in liquid form otherwise you

just destroy your lungs with powder blowing all over the place. I researched on

boric acid and DE and I think DE is better the problem is harder to mix with

water than boric acid. DE also comes in form of silica but I can't find the

right type to spray. Please if somebody knows please help us. I remember Buggerd

said it is the same type used in cedarside professional insecticide but he

couldn't find the right type of silica either.

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> > I have done site searches from this group for Boric Acid products like Roach

Prufe (RP) and others like Mop Up. All the usage comments were positive. RP is

used a lot in a lot of ways and the results are good . So I used some RP on some

furniture and mopped Boric Acid on tile floor. I began to have sinus problems 24

hours after applying the BA to the floor. I first thought I may have inhaled a

little while working with the BA and it would go away, but it didn't. After 4

days I washed the floor 3x to take up the BA. Within 24 hours, my sinuses were

cleared. I also opened the windows to air the apartment and keep down the

humidity. My wife is now having sinus problems although I am not. She may be

getting a late reaction to the BA on the floor (she started having symptoms just

before I took it up) or the airing stirred up the RP. We'll see.

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I think when you mix boric acid products with water and it dries the boric acid

can be blown around. Boric acid doesn't mix well or stay mixed and jams up

sprayers.

Ron

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> > > I have done site searches from this group for Boric Acid products like

Roach Prufe (RP) and others like Mop Up. All the usage comments were positive.

RP is used a lot in a lot of ways and the results are good . So I used some RP

on some furniture and mopped Boric Acid on tile floor. I began to have sinus

problems 24 hours after applying the BA to the floor. I first thought I may

have inhaled a little while working with the BA and it would go away, but it

didn't. After 4 days I washed the floor 3x to take up the BA. Within 24 hours,

my sinuses were cleared. I also opened the windows to air the apartment and keep

down the humidity. My wife is now having sinus problems although I am not. She

may be getting a late reaction to the BA on the floor (she started having

symptoms just before I took it up) or the airing stirred up the RP. We'll see.

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Ron the moppable boric acid I would let sit overnight in gallon jug. Also if you

put marbles in the sprayer this helps keep it stirred more, I do this with

anything I spray. Must agree the boric acid drys to a powder though.

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Healing hope

Marbles in the bottom of the sprayer , that is brilliaint , thanks

Bye ,

Bill

ps a chapin sprayer almost always has a filter at the bottom of the pick up tube

, it dosent clog easilly if the borun product is mixed in very hot water &

wisked with a wooden handle as it is mixed .

Chapin sprayers are sold at all Ace hardwares, & are gauranteed for life , no

questions asked , ever ...

, I call them & they mail me a new one it it ever breaks . , they very rarely

break .Only my $180.00 metal sprayer broke. , they mailed me a new on in 4 days

.. No questions asked & I got to keep the old one , which I fixed with bondo &

srcew in the small hole that burst in the side . It even has an air valve to

pressurize from an air compressor ....luxury spraying at it s finest ..... ( did

I just say that ? oh brother I need a life, )

But, it dosent hold a candle to my wagner power painter with the tube adapeter

to the 5 gallon bucket & bailing wire on the trigger propped & turned on

remotely with a long extension cord to massacre the room with a blindingly

dense london fog of 1 cup borax & 1/2 cup windex & 4 oz of coconut oil . Bye

bye bug .... you can & #39;t even see in the room when I look in thru the window ,

attrition in action , its beautiful .

ok ,

I am going looking for a life right now ..

Bye ,

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> Ron the moppable boric acid I would let sit overnight in gallon jug.

Also if you put marbles in the sprayer this helps keep it stirred more, I do

this with anything I spray. Must agree the boric acid drys to a powder though.

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DE lacks a component I think is a key reason the borates work: the borates are ionic. Boric acid is used to modulate fission in nuclear power plants. That is, the more out of control the fission, the more boric acid they use. It disrupts the flow of electrical current. If you mix a borate with H2O2, a penetrant (I think the oxidization of the skin is what allows whatever else is with it to penetrate the dermis more thoroughly), and pour it on your skin, you will feel electricity going crazy on your skin. That is not actually an increase in electrical activity, you are feeling an interruption. I know this simply because borates do not increase, they decrease electricity. It was a weird feeling I do not plan to repeat, but I wanted to know what, if it affected me, it might do to the

critters. I use DE, but only for a filler. As crystalline products go in my house, the borates are king.

I would be willing to try the silica, but wonder what it offers as far as properties that the borates don't? Haven't researched that other than to try and find it...

love,

katie

From: tonysvenson <no_reply >bird mites Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 4:56:04 AMSubject: Re: Boric Acid Warning

I like and Buggerds idea of using the powders in liquid form otherwise you just destroy your lungs with powder blowing all over the place. I researched on boric acid and DE and I think DE is better the problem is harder to mix with water than boric acid. DE also comes in form of silica but I can't find the right type to spray. Please if somebody knows please help us. I remember Buggerd said it is the same type used in cedarside professional insecticide but he couldn't find the right type of silica either. > >> > I have done site searches from this group for Boric Acid products like Roach Prufe (RP) and others like Mop Up. All the usage comments were positive. RP is used a lot in a lot of ways and the results are good . So I used some RP on some furniture and mopped Boric Acid on tile floor. I began to have sinus problems 24 hours after applying the BA to the floor. I first thought I may have inhaled a little while working with the BA and it would go away, but it didn't. After 4 days I washed the floor 3x to take up the BA. Within 24 hours, my sinuses were cleared. I also opened the windows to air the apartment and keep down the humidity. My wife is now having sinus problems although I am not. She may be getting a late reaction to the BA

on the floor (she started having symptoms just before I took it up) or the airing stirred up the RP. We'll see.> >>

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Hi , what would be cool is if you could possibly do an experiment with your

high powered scope to see how they react with DE then compare with boric acid.

That's interesting about the electrical reaction of boric acid I didn't know

that. I know they go nuts when I sit in front of my puter they are reacting to

the electrical field I guess.

From what I was reading silica is like a drying agent so I guess it dries them

out better than boric acid plus it also cuts them up. Also somebody here

complained that after they sprayed a boric acid water mix and after it dried

there was still dusty residue. I haven't heard any complaints like that from

peeps who used Cedarcide. the main ingredient other than cedar oil is hydrated

silica which is supposed to be like another form of DE only it's water soluble

and when it dries there's no dust. There is also another company that uses

hydrated silica mixed with some pesticide I don't remember which one. Anyway I

will let you know when I find a place to buy to this stuff. I remember Lynn said

it's the same sort of silica they use in shaving cream I have researched but

can't figure that one out either. Tony

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> > > I have done site searches from this group for Boric Acid products like

Roach Prufe (RP) and others like Mop Up. All the usage comments were positive.

RP is used a lot in a lot of ways and the results are good . So I used some RP

on some furniture and mopped Boric Acid on tile floor. I began to have sinus

problems 24 hours after applying the BA to the floor. I first thought I may have

inhaled a little while working with the BA and it would go away, but it didn't.

After 4 days I washed the floor 3x to take up the BA. Within 24 hours, my

sinuses were cleared. I also opened the windows to air the apartment and keep

down the humidity. My wife is now having sinus problems although I am not. She

may be getting a late reaction to the BA on the floor (she started having

symptoms just before I took it up) or the airing stirred up the RP. We'll see.

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Hi, Tony.

I have done that--with everything in my house. I went crazy with it. I used all the milk jug caps I save for the purpose. They were laid out in rows on my workstation, and carefully poured or mixed a different substance in each, and that included all the common stuff I had around the do. Nada. Boric acid makes them dance, and they die. So if I can't tell if they are an organism or just a weird looking THING, I spray them with the bottle I keep filled with boric acid dissolved in water right by my microscope and computer. Have you looked at my youtube videos? The titles have something to do with what I used that resulted in the action I photographed.

love,

katie

From: tonysvenson <no_reply >bird mites Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 6:14:29 PMSubject: Re: Boric Acid Warning

Hi , what would be cool is if you could possibly do an experiment with your high powered scope to see how they react with DE then compare with boric acid. That's interesting about the electrical reaction of boric acid I didn't know that. I know they go nuts when I sit in front of my puter they are reacting to the electrical field I guess. From what I was reading silica is like a drying agent so I guess it dries them out better than boric acid plus it also cuts them up. Also somebody here complained that after they sprayed a boric acid water mix and after it dried there was still dusty residue. I haven't heard any complaints like that from peeps who used Cedarcide. the main ingredient other than cedar oil is hydrated silica which is supposed to be like another form of DE only it's water soluble and when it dries there's no dust. There is also another company that uses hydrated silica mixed with some pesticide I don't remember which one.

Anyway I will let you know when I find a place to buy to this stuff. I remember Lynn said it's the same sort of silica they use in shaving cream I have researched but can't figure that one out either. Tony> > >> > > I have done site searches from this group for Boric Acid products like Roach Prufe (RP) and others like Mop Up. All the usage comments were positive. RP is used a lot in a lot of ways and the results are good . So I used some RP on some furniture and mopped Boric Acid on tile floor. I began to have sinus problems 24 hours after applying the BA to the floor. I first thought I may have inhaled a little while working with the BA and it would go away, but it didn't. After 4 days I washed the floor 3x to take up the BA. Within 24 hours, my sinuses were cleared. I also opened the windows to air the apartment and keep down the humidity. My wife is now having sinus problems although I am not. She may be getting a late reaction to the BA on the floor (she started

having symptoms just before I took it up) or the airing stirred up the RP. We'll see.> > >> >>

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You are right about the sprayers. And, the water wicks the boric acid down into the carpet fibers. The only reason boric acid in carpet has to be replaced twice a year, which is how often I do it, is that we "walk it out." As we step on (crush) the fibers, the boric acid powders to the carpet backing. It doesn't have to be replaced on my walls. True, it is possible that the streaks may powder slightly, putting a minute and to me undetectable touch of boric acid into the air,however I never smell it, and it tastes metallic, so I would PROBABLY taste it when I breathe.

Also, when the water evaporates, it leaves a dry white patch on hard surfaces. There is something a little bit sticky about boric acid that has been wet, evidently, though I can't tell by feeling it, because it is not the easiest thing to try to wash off a boric acid spot.

good points, Ron,

love,

katie

From: bicyclecowboy <bicyclecowboy@...>bird mites Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:53:35 PMSubject: Re: Boric Acid Warning

I think when you mix boric acid products with water and it dries the boric acid can be blown around. Boric acid doesn't mix well or stay mixed and jams up sprayers. Ron> > >> > > I have done site searches from this group for Boric Acid products like Roach Prufe (RP) and others like Mop Up. All the usage comments were positive. RP is used a lot in a lot of ways and the results are good . So I used some RP on some furniture and mopped Boric Acid on tile floor. I began to have sinus

problems 24 hours after applying the BA to the floor. I first thought I may have inhaled a little while working with the BA and it would go away, but it didn't. After 4 days I washed the floor 3x to take up the BA. Within 24 hours, my sinuses were cleared. I also opened the windows to air the apartment and keep down the humidity. My wife is now having sinus problems although I am not. She may be getting a late reaction to the BA on the floor (she started having symptoms just before I took it up) or the airing stirred up the RP. We'll see.> > >> >>

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No one ever smells or detects carbon monoxide until it's too late. Tony

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> > > > I have done site searches from this group for Boric Acid products like

Roach Prufe (RP) and others like Mop Up. All the usage comments were positive.

RP is used a lot in a lot of ways and the results are good . So I used some RP

on some furniture and mopped Boric Acid on tile floor. I began to have sinus

problems 24 hours after applying the BA to the floor. I first thought I may have

inhaled a little while working with the BA and it would go away, but it didn't.

After 4 days I washed the floor 3x to take up the BA. Within 24 hours, my

sinuses were cleared. I also opened the windows to air the apartment and keep

down the humidity. My wife is now having sinus problems although I am not. She

may be getting a late reaction to the BA on the floor (she started having

symptoms just before I took it up) or the airing stirred up the RP. We'll see.

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No one ever smells or detects carbon monoxide until it's too late. Tony

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> > > > I have done site searches from this group for Boric Acid products like

Roach Prufe (RP) and others like Mop Up. All the usage comments were positive.

RP is used a lot in a lot of ways and the results are good . So I used some RP

on some furniture and mopped Boric Acid on tile floor. I began to have sinus

problems 24 hours after applying the BA to the floor. I first thought I may have

inhaled a little while working with the BA and it would go away, but it didn't.

After 4 days I washed the floor 3x to take up the BA. Within 24 hours, my

sinuses were cleared. I also opened the windows to air the apartment and keep

down the humidity. My wife is now having sinus problems although I am not. She

may be getting a late reaction to the BA on the floor (she started having

symptoms just before I took it up) or the airing stirred up the RP. We'll see.

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Lynn, thanks for this link. I don't know if this is the same stuff they use in

cedarcide or not. I did a search on silica and pesticides and I can't find

anything these companies are keeping their sources really secret. Then I did a

wikipedia search they don't say anything about insecticides in their article,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrated_silica

This is driving me nuts. It shouldn't be so hard to find out where these

companies are getting silica and what type theyre using. Tony

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> > Hi , what would be cool is if you could possibly do an experiment with

your high powered scope to see how they react with DE then compare with boric

acid. That's interesting about the electrical reaction of boric acid I didn't

know that. I know they go nuts when I sit in front of my puter they are reacting

to the electrical field I guess.

> >

> > From what I was reading silica is like a drying agent so I guess it dries

them out better than boric acid plus it also cuts them up. Also somebody here

complained that after they sprayed a boric acid water mix and after it dried

there was still dusty residue. I haven't heard any complaints like that from

peeps who used Cedarcide. the main ingredient other than cedar oil is hydrated

silica which is supposed to be like another form of DE only it's water soluble

and when it dries there's no dust. There is also another company that uses

hydrated silica mixed with some pesticide I don't remember which one. Anyway I

will let you know when I find a place to buy to this stuff. I remember Lynn said

it's the same sort of silica they use in shaving cream I have researched but

can't figure that one out either. Tony

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I'm just jumping in here after being away for a couple of months, so maybe this

doesn't fit the discussion....but " silica " is essential to normal bodily

functions. Although it is a " building block " in Staninger's view, we can't do

without it. Just one link on the subject:

http://www.eidon.com/silica_article.html

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> > > Hi , what would be cool is if you could possibly do an experiment

with your high powered scope to see how they react with DE then compare with

boric acid. That's interesting about the electrical reaction of boric acid I

didn't know that. I know they go nuts when I sit in front of my puter they are

reacting to the electrical field I guess.

> > >

> > > From what I was reading silica is like a drying agent so I guess it dries

them out better than boric acid plus it also cuts them up. Also somebody here

complained that after they sprayed a boric acid water mix and after it dried

there was still dusty residue. I haven't heard any complaints like that from

peeps who used Cedarcide. the main ingredient other than cedar oil is hydrated

silica which is supposed to be like another form of DE only it's water soluble

and when it dries there's no dust. There is also another company that uses

hydrated silica mixed with some pesticide I don't remember which one. Anyway I

will let you know when I find a place to buy to this stuff. I remember Lynn said

it's the same sort of silica they use in shaving cream I have researched but

can't figure that one out either. Tony

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Tony, tell me more. How does the carbon monoxide factor in?

love,

katie

From: tonysvenson <no_reply >bird mites Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 1:35:19 AMSubject: Re: Boric Acid Warning

No one ever smells or detects carbon monoxide until it's too late. Tony> > > >> > > > I have done site searches from this group for Boric Acid products like Roach Prufe (RP) and others like Mop Up. All the usage comments were positive. RP is used a lot in a lot of ways and the results are good . So I used some RP on some furniture and mopped Boric Acid on tile floor. I began to have sinus problems 24 hours after applying the BA to the floor. I first thought I may have inhaled a little while working with the BA and it would go away, but it didn't. After 4 days I washed the floor 3x to take up the BA. Within 24 hours, my sinuses were cleared. I also opened the windows to air the apartment and keep down the humidity. My wife is now having sinus problems although I am not. She may be getting a late reaction to the BA on the floor (she started having symptoms just before I took it up) or the airing stirred up the RP. We'll see.> > >

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Thanks for researching this Lynn I saw the one from China too. Now we just have

to figure which kind the professionals are using in their sprays. Thanks again,

Tony

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> > > > Hi , what would be cool is if you could possibly do an experiment

with your high powered scope to see how they react with DE then compare with

boric acid. That's interesting about the electrical reaction of boric acid I

didn't know that. I know they go nuts when I sit in front of my puter they are

reacting to the electrical field I guess.

> > > >

> > > > From what I was reading silica is like a drying agent so I guess it

dries them out better than boric acid plus it also cuts them up. Also somebody

here complained that after they sprayed a boric acid water mix and after it

dried there was still dusty residue. I haven't heard any complaints like that

from peeps who used Cedarcide. the main ingredient other than cedar oil is

hydrated silica which is supposed to be like another form of DE only it's water

soluble and when it dries there's no dust. There is also another company that

uses hydrated silica mixed with some pesticide I don't remember which one.

Anyway I will let you know when I find a place to buy to this stuff. I remember

Lynn said it's the same sort of silica they use in shaving cream I have

researched but can't figure that one out either. Tony

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You said you don't smell it or taste it but that doesn't mean it's not having an

effect. For example peeps can sit in a closed garage with the engine on and

before they know it they're dead from carbon monoxide poisoning, even though

they didn't smell or taste anything first. Or peeps can drink water with

fluoride and yea, you can't smell it or taste it but over times it causes

problems. So what I'm trying to say is just because you don't smell or taste the

acid doesn't mean it's not getting absorbed into the lungs and body and whatnot.

especially in your case where it's been in your environment for a long time and

is so thick you can barely see in the mirror. I am not an expert I not even

that smart but this is just common sense. Your a very nice person I want you to

stay healthy.

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> > > > > I have done site searches from this group for Boric Acid products like

Roach Prufe (RP) and others like Mop Up. All the usage comments were positive.

RP is used a lot in a lot of ways and the results are good . So I used some RP

on some furniture and mopped Boric Acid on tile floor. I began to have sinus

problems 24 hours after applying the BA to the floor. I first thought I may have

inhaled a little while working with the BA and it would go away, but it didn't.

After 4 days I washed the floor 3x to take up the BA. Within 24 hours, my

sinuses were cleared. I also opened the windows to air the apartment and keep

down the humidity. My wife is now having sinus problems although I am not. She

may be getting a late reaction to the BA on the floor (she started having

symptoms just before I took it up) or the airing stirred up the RP. We'll see.

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Just found this, Tony. sends my mail to various folders based on filters I've set up and I lose some important mail that way. I don't have boric acid all over my house in powder form, not so I can see it. The only visible powder in my house is a mixture of epsom salt and DE. I have a healthy respect for the neurotoxic effect of boric acid and treat it accordingly. Thank you for the information as always, and for caring.

love,

From: tonysvenson <no_reply >bird mites Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 6:33:23 PMSubject: Re: Boric Acid Warning

You said you don't smell it or taste it but that doesn't mean it's not having an effect. For example peeps can sit in a closed garage with the engine on and before they know it they're dead from carbon monoxide poisoning, even though they didn't smell or taste anything first. Or peeps can drink water with fluoride and yea, you can't smell it or taste it but over times it causes problems. So what I'm trying to say is just because you don't smell or taste the acid doesn't mean it's not getting absorbed into the lungs and body and whatnot. especially in your case where it's been in your environment for a long time and is so thick you can barely see in the mirror. I am not an expert I not even that smart but this is just common sense. Your a very nice person I want you to stay healthy. > > > > >> > > > > I have done site searches from this group for Boric Acid products like Roach Prufe (RP) and others like Mop Up. All the usage comments were positive. RP is used a lot in a lot of ways and the

results are good . So I used some RP on some furniture and mopped Boric Acid on tile floor. I began to have sinus problems 24 hours after applying the BA to the floor. I first thought I may have inhaled a little while working with the BA and it would go away, but it didn't. After 4 days I washed the floor 3x to take up the BA. Within 24 hours, my sinuses were cleared. I also opened the windows to air the apartment and keep down the humidity. My wife is now having sinus problems although I am not. She may be getting a late reaction to the BA on the floor (she started having symptoms just before I took it up) or the airing stirred up the RP. We'll see.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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