Re: Childhood Diseases and Adverse Reactions

[Guest guest]

Actually another member on this forum had a great idea....try to find

medical text books from the 1950's....they give an accurate

description of each disease BEFORE the mass vaccination campaign.

Also, Neil Z. 's books actually provide CDC statistics

before/after each vaccine was introduced and what happened to these

statistics over the years. His books also give an accurate

description of each disease and recovery rate without vaccination. I

was surprised after looking at each vaccine package insert (small

studies done) that my child was at a MUCH GREATER risk of dying from

the vaccine than from the disease itself (again, just based on the

CDC's info and vaccine literature).

>

> One thing that has bothered me about the doctor's office pushing

> vaccinations is that none of them, doctors or nurses, (and I've

been to

> several) will/can answer these questions:

>

> What are the adverse reactions to having one of these childhood

diseases

> if I don't vaccinate? For example, how likely is a child to become

> sterile from having the disease? How likely is it that a child will

die

> from whooping cough, etc, if I don't vaccinate.

>

> The answer that I always get is, " Well, your child could die from

> disease x, if you vaccinate, at least you will know that the

symptoms

> will be milder. " Milder than what?

>

> I've quit asking about the side-effects of the vaccinations because

all

> they give you is that stupid bright colored vaccination sheet that

says

> that you child may, in rare cases, feel poorly for a few days.

>

> I have the book " How to raise a healthy child inspite of your

doctor "

> This book did a lot to give me perspective, but it still seems to

be

> based loosely on a doctor's experiences. Are there any statistics

and

> information on pre-vaccination era rates of adverse reactions to

this

> diseases? I feel that if I can pop off some of this information

that my

> family will be less antagonistic to us about why we aren't

vaccinating.

>

> There is so much information from this group, I'm swimming it and

not

> reading maybe what I need to at this point.

>

> Thanks so much. This is a great group.

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

One of the medical books I read from the early 50's actually listed

measles as being as mild as chickenpox. Funny how they have both become

" killer " diseases.

A bit OT but I still can't get over how many people think the vaccine

for chickenpox has been around before the 90's and since they mistakenly

think they got the vaccine, it is something they should get for their child.

Dawn wrote:

>

> Actually another member on this forum had a great idea....try to find

> medical text books from the 1950's....they give an accurate

> description of each disease BEFORE the mass vaccination campaign.

> Also, Neil Z. 's books actually provide CDC statistics

> before/after each vaccine was introduced and what happened to these

> statistics over the years. His books also give an accurate

> description of each disease and recovery rate without vaccination. I

> was surprised after looking at each vaccine package insert (small

> studies done) that my child was at a MUCH GREATER risk of dying from

> the vaccine than from the disease itself (again, just based on the

> CDC's info and vaccine literature).

>

>

> >

> > One thing that has bothered me about the doctor's office pushing

> > vaccinations is that none of them, doctors or nurses, (and I've

> been to

> > several) will/can answer these questions:

> >

> > What are the adverse reactions to having one of these childhood

> diseases

> > if I don't vaccinate? For example, how likely is a child to become

> > sterile from having the disease? How likely is it that a child will

> die

> > from whooping cough, etc, if I don't vaccinate.

> >

> > The answer that I always get is, " Well, your child could die from

> > disease x, if you vaccinate, at least you will know that the

> symptoms

> > will be milder. " Milder than what?

> >

> > I've quit asking about the side-effects of the vaccinations because

> all

> > they give you is that stupid bright colored vaccination sheet that

> says

> > that you child may, in rare cases, feel poorly for a few days.

> >

> > I have the book " How to raise a healthy child inspite of your

> doctor "

> > This book did a lot to give me perspective, but it still seems to

> be

> > based loosely on a doctor's experiences. Are there any statistics

> and

> > information on pre-vaccination era rates of adverse reactions to

> this

> > diseases? I feel that if I can pop off some of this information

> that my

> > family will be less antagonistic to us about why we aren't

> vaccinating.

> >

> > There is so much information from this group, I'm swimming it and

> not

> > reading maybe what I need to at this point.

> >

> > Thanks so much. This is a great group.

> >

> > Kathy

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy

I can help.

If you will give me your address I can send you some facts on the history of

failure

of  vaccinations.

Have a drug and vaccine free day.

Jim O'

Founder of S.I.N.B.A.D--A.D.T.

Shots in body's are dangerous and drugs too

Childhood Diseases and Adverse Reactions

One thing that has bothered me about the doctor's office pushing

vaccinations is that none of them, doctors or nurses, (and I've been to

several) will/can answer these questions:

What are the adverse reactions to having one of these childhood diseases

if I don't vaccinate? For example, how likely is a child to become

sterile from having the disease? How likely is it that a child will die

from whooping cough, etc, if I don't vaccinate.

The answer that I always get is, " Well, your child could die from

disease x, if you vaccinate, at least you will know that the symptoms

will be milder. " Milder than what?

I've quit asking about the side-effects of the vaccinations because all

they give you is that stupid bright colored vaccination sheet that says

that you child may, in rare cases, feel poorly for a few days.

I have the book " How to raise a healthy child inspite of your doctor "

This book did a lot to give me perspective, but it still seems to be

based loosely on a doctor's experiences. Are there any statistics and

information on pre-vaccination era rates of adverse reactions to this

diseases? I feel that if I can pop off some of this information that my

family will be less antagonistic to us about why we aren't vaccinating.

There is so much information from this group, I'm swimming it and not

reading maybe what I need to at this point.

Thanks so much. This is a great group.

Kathy

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[Guest guest]

Instead of you having to dig up info that, believe me, your family will roll

their eyes at, ask them where they get THEIR information. Make them think about

how they are taking the " vaccines are safe " mantra at face value without having

facts to back it up. Let THEM do the work and maybe in the process they will be

stunned to learn the actual truth about vaccines.

Winnie

Childhood Diseases and Adverse Reactions

Vaccinations

> One thing that has bothered me about the doctor's office pushing

> vaccinations is that none of them, doctors or nurses, (and I've

> been to

> several) will/can answer these questions:

>

> What are the adverse reactions to having one of these childhood

> diseases

> if I don't vaccinate? For example, how likely is a child to

> become

> sterile from having the disease? How likely is it that a child

> will die

> from whooping cough, etc, if I don't vaccinate.

>

> The answer that I always get is, " Well, your child could die

> from

> disease x, if you vaccinate, at least you will know that the

> symptoms

> will be milder. " Milder than what?

>

> I've quit asking about the side-effects of the vaccinations

> because all

> they give you is that stupid bright colored vaccination sheet

> that says

> that you child may, in rare cases, feel poorly for a few days.

>

> I have the book " How to raise a healthy child inspite of your

> doctor "

> This book did a lot to give me perspective, but it still seems

> to be

> based loosely on a doctor's experiences. Are there any

> statistics and

> information on pre-vaccination era rates of adverse reactions to

> this

> diseases? I feel that if I can pop off some of this information

> that my

> family will be less antagonistic to us about why we aren't

> vaccinating.

> There is so much information from this group, I'm swimming it

> and not

> reading maybe what I need to at this point.

>

> Thanks so much. This is a great group.

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Could you send me that info as well?

Susie

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On May 1, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote:

Hi Kathy

I can help.

If you will give me your address I can send you some facts on the history of

failure

of vaccinations.

Have a drug and vaccine free day.

Jim O'

Founder of S.I.N.B.A.D--A.D.T.

Shots in body's are dangerous and drugs too

Childhood Diseases and Adverse Reactions

One thing that has bothered me about the doctor's office pushing

vaccinations is that none of them, doctors or nurses, (and I've been to

several) will/can answer these questions:

What are the adverse reactions to having one of these childhood diseases

if I don't vaccinate? For example, how likely is a child to become

sterile from having the disease? How likely is it that a child will die

from whooping cough, etc, if I don't vaccinate.

The answer that I always get is, " Well, your child could die from

disease x, if you vaccinate, at least you will know that the symptoms

will be milder. " Milder than what?

I've quit asking about the side-effects of the vaccinations because all

they give you is that stupid bright colored vaccination sheet that says

that you child may, in rare cases, feel poorly for a few days.

I have the book " How to raise a healthy child inspite of your doctor "

This book did a lot to give me perspective, but it still seems to be

based loosely on a doctor's experiences. Are there any statistics and

information on pre-vaccination era rates of adverse reactions to this

diseases? I feel that if I can pop off some of this information that my

family will be less antagonistic to us about why we aren't vaccinating.

There is so much information from this group, I'm swimming it and not

reading maybe what I need to at this point.

Thanks so much. This is a great group.

Kathy

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I can address please.

Jim

Childhood Diseases and Adverse Reactions

One thing that has bothered me about the doctor's office pushing

vaccinations is that none of them, doctors or nurses, (and I've been to

several) will/can answer these questions:

What are the adverse reactions to having one of these childhood diseases

if I don't vaccinate? For example, how likely is a child to become

sterile from having the disease? How likely is it that a child will die

from whooping cough, etc, if I don't vaccinate.

The answer that I always get is, " Well, your child could die from

disease x, if you vaccinate, at least you will know that the symptoms

will be milder. " Milder than what?

I've quit asking about the side-effects of the vaccinations because all

they give you is that stupid bright colored vaccination sheet that says

that you child may, in rare cases, feel poorly for a few days.

I have the book " How to raise a healthy child inspite of your doctor "

This book did a lot to give me perspective, but it still seems to be

based loosely on a doctor's experiences. Are there any statistics and

information on pre-vaccination era rates of adverse reactions to this

diseases? I feel that if I can pop off some of this information that my

family will be less antagonistic to us about why we aren't vaccinating.

There is so much information from this group, I'm swimming it and not

reading maybe what I need to at this point.

Thanks so much. This is a great group.

Kathy

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Silly ?- email or postal?

Szahratka@...

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On May 1, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote:

I can address please.

Jim

Childhood Diseases and Adverse Reactions

One thing that has bothered me about the doctor's office pushing

vaccinations is that none of them, doctors or nurses, (and I've been to

several) will/can answer these questions:

What are the adverse reactions to having one of these childhood diseases

if I don't vaccinate? For example, how likely is a child to become

sterile from having the disease? How likely is it that a child will die

from whooping cough, etc, if I don't vaccinate.

The answer that I always get is, " Well, your child could die from

disease x, if you vaccinate, at least you will know that the symptoms

will be milder. " Milder than what?

I've quit asking about the side-effects of the vaccinations because all

they give you is that stupid bright colored vaccination sheet that says

that you child may, in rare cases, feel poorly for a few days.

I have the book " How to raise a healthy child inspite of your doctor "

This book did a lot to give me perspective, but it still seems to be

based loosely on a doctor's experiences. Are there any statistics and

information on pre-vaccination era rates of adverse reactions to this

diseases? I feel that if I can pop off some of this information that my

family will be less antagonistic to us about why we aren't vaccinating.

There is so much information from this group, I'm swimming it and not

reading maybe what I need to at this point.

Thanks so much. This is a great group.

Kathy

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Postal

Childhood Diseases and Adverse Reactions

One thing that has bothered me about the doctor's office pushing

vaccinations is that none of them, doctors or nurses, (and I've been to

several) will/can answer these questions:

What are the adverse reactions to having one of these childhood diseases

if I don't vaccinate? For example, how likely is a child to become

sterile from having the disease? How likely is it that a child will die

from whooping cough, etc, if I don't vaccinate.

The answer that I always get is, " Well, your child could die from

disease x, if you vaccinate, at least you will know that the symptoms

will be milder. " Milder than what?

I've quit asking about the side-effects of the vaccinations because all

they give you is that stupid bright colored vaccination sheet that says

that you child may, in rare cases, feel poorly for a few days.

I have the book " How to raise a healthy child inspite of your doctor "

This book did a lot to give me perspective, but it still seems to be

based loosely on a doctor's experiences. Are there any statistics and

information on pre-vaccination era rates of adverse reactions to this

diseases? I feel that if I can pop off some of this information that my

family will be less antagonistic to us about why we aren't vaccinating.

There is so much information from this group, I'm swimming it and not

reading maybe what I need to at this point.

Thanks so much. This is a great group.

Kathy

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I also like the book by Neil -The Vaccine Safety . There are tons of

stats and charts.

Susie

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On May 4, 2008, at 2:52 AM, " Sheri Nakken " <stopvaccinesnow@...> wrote:

>>>

I have the book " How to raise a healthy child inspite of your doctor "

This book did a lot to give me perspective, but it still seems to be

based loosely on a doctor's experiences. Are there any statistics and

information on pre-vaccination era rates of adverse reactions to this

diseases? I feel that if I can pop off some of this information that my

family will be less antagonistic to us about why we aren't vaccinating.>>>

Yes there are stats and in all the diseases the death rates had

declined to near nothing BEFORE the vaccines..............

I include all of that in the class as it takes a lot of hours to

research each one.

There are graphs that help with the death rate info (but not other

problems with the diseases)

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/decline1.html

http://www.healthsentinel.com/

links to graphs in left column

And from an article by Harold Buttram

OCTOBER 16, 2004. From an article by Harold Buttram, MD ( " Vaccine Scene:

2000 " ):

" According to the records of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, from

1911 to 1935 the four leading causes of childhood deaths from infectious

diseases in the U.S. were diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), scarlet

fever, and measles. However, by 1945 the combined death rates from these

causes had declined by 95 percent, before the implementation of mass

immunization programs. "

The citation on this statement is Dublin L. " Health Progress, 1936-1945, "

New York, Metropolitan Life Insurance Co., 1948, p.12.

JON RAPPOPORT www.nomorefakenews.com

http://www.nomorefakenews.com/archives/archiveview.php?key=2228

Sheri

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