Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 This is something that has really been bothering me since DD was born almost 5 months ago. I wrote a very specific birth plan that stated NO VACCINES or drugs for me or the baby; no IV, no pain meds, no Hep B, no vitamin K, no eye ointment...nothing at all. The midwife on call and everybody else who I remember coming into contact with seemed to follow our wishes until I had some pretty serious postpartum hemorrhaging. The delivery itself was drug-free, but once I got out of the birthing tub they insisted on giving me an IV and several shots to try and stop the bleeding. DH stayed with DD, but I had to call across the room while they dealt with my bleeding to find out how much she weighed, what time she was born, etc. Very frustrating. The next afternoon I was told my hemaglobin had dropped from 13 at my last prenatal appt to 7 after the birth. I felt so weak and tired, and for some reason let a nurse take DD out of the room to do the PKU and hearing test. This decision has haunted me. DD came back a while later sound asleep, but with a HUGE black bruise on the back of her hand from the PKU. And I have always worried that she may also have been given Hep B or something else I specifically told them not to give, against my wishes. (whether they were aware of my wishes or not) Am I being paranoid? Is there any way to find out one way or the other, just to put my mind at ease? Does this really happen (nurses giving shots without getting consent from the parents/without telling them that's what they're taking the baby for?) This has seriously been weighing on me for several months and every time I hear somebody say " don't let baby out of your sight in the hospital " I get a horrible sinking feeling in my stomach. I never should have allowed them to take her, but I was so sick and tired I just wasn't thinking. Alyssa in MN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Here in Iowa you can actually get your own medical records for your very own self, but in other states you need to have your doctor ask for them. I would ask your doctor to get the records from the hospital. Heaven forbid she was given anything, you can raise holy hell about it for her and for every baby that comes after her. Here's to you being paranoid, instead of right! Maeghan _____ From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf Of nelson.alyssa Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:37 PM Vaccinations Subject: Allowing newborn out of your sight in hospital after birth This is something that has really been bothering me since DD was born almost 5 months ago. I wrote a very specific birth plan that stated NO VACCINES or drugs for me or the baby; no IV, no pain meds, no Hep B, no vitamin K, no eye ointment...nothing at all. The midwife on call and everybody else who I remember coming into contact with seemed to follow our wishes until I had some pretty serious postpartum hemorrhaging. The delivery itself was drug-free, but once I got out of the birthing tub they insisted on giving me an IV and several shots to try and stop the bleeding. DH stayed with DD, but I had to call across the room while they dealt with my bleeding to find out how much she weighed, what time she was born, etc. Very frustrating. The next afternoon I was told my hemaglobin had dropped from 13 at my last prenatal appt to 7 after the birth. I felt so weak and tired, and for some reason let a nurse take DD out of the room to do the PKU and hearing test. This decision has haunted me. DD came back a while later sound asleep, but with a HUGE black bruise on the back of her hand from the PKU. And I have always worried that she may also have been given Hep B or something else I specifically told them not to give, against my wishes. (whether they were aware of my wishes or not) Am I being paranoid? Is there any way to find out one way or the other, just to put my mind at ease? Does this really happen (nurses giving shots without getting consent from the parents/without telling them that's what they're taking the baby for?) This has seriously been weighing on me for several months and every time I hear somebody say " don't let baby out of your sight in the hospital " I get a horrible sinking feeling in my stomach. I never should have allowed them to take her, but I was so sick and tired I just wasn't thinking. Alyssa in MN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 When I refused the hep B vax the Drs and nurses all told me they need written consent to give the vaccine. It will all be written down in your baby's records, which you can get. But if anything would have been given without your knowledge, I would assume the eye ointment over anything, it's habit for the nurses. As far as vaccines are involved, they should be required to ask you first, and it is illegal for them to lie about it. Good luck : ) : ) Canyon Creek Labs www.canyoncreeklabs.com We have puppies!!! On Apr 1, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote: > Hi Alyssa, > I'm so sorry you are going through this - all of you are going > through this. It is just so sick what has been done to us/ is being > done to us. > > You can ask for a copy of your baby's hospital records and hopefully > that will ease your mind. > > My heart goes out to you > Sheri > > >This is something that has really been bothering me since DD was born > >almost 5 months ago. > > > >I wrote a very specific birth plan that stated NO VACCINES or drugs > >for me or the baby; no IV, no pain meds, no Hep B, no vitamin K, no > >eye ointment...nothing at all. The midwife on call and everybody > >else who I remember coming into contact with seemed to follow our > >wishes until I had some pretty serious postpartum hemorrhaging. The > >delivery itself was drug-free, but once I got out of the birthing tub > >they insisted on giving me an IV and several shots to try and stop > >the bleeding. DH stayed with DD, but I had to call across the room > >while they dealt with my bleeding to find out how much she weighed, > >what time she was born, etc. Very frustrating. > > > >The next afternoon I was told my hemaglobin had dropped from 13 at my > >last prenatal appt to 7 after the birth. I felt so weak and tired, > >and for some reason let a nurse take DD out of the room to do the PKU > >and hearing test. This decision has haunted me. DD came back a > >while later sound asleep, but with a HUGE black bruise on the back of > >her hand from the PKU. And I have always worried that she may also > >have been given Hep B or something else I specifically told them not > >to give, against my wishes. (whether they were aware of my wishes or > >not) > > > >Am I being paranoid? Is there any way to find out one way or the > >other, just to put my mind at ease? Does this really happen (nurses > >giving shots without getting consent from the parents/without telling > >them that's what they're taking the baby for?) This has seriously > >been weighing on me for several months and every time I hear somebody > >say " don't let baby out of your sight in the hospital " I get a > >horrible sinking feeling in my stomach. I never should have allowed > >them to take her, but I was so sick and tired I just wasn't thinking. > > >Alyssa in MN > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 AND you ask for an itemized bill from accounting. If it was administered, it will be on that bill. I declined the shot with Christian and he got it anyway.. the hospital tried to tell me I had to pay it b/c it had been given and I said ‘no way. I didn’t authorize it, I’m not paying it”.. they charged like 112 for the vaccine and 12 to administer it. Insurance said they don’t pay for vaccines given in the hospital –then they paid it anyway. Idiots. Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 HYPERLINK " http://momof6.dotphoto.com " http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not necessarily current pictures Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.2/1353 - Release Date: 3/31/2008 6:21 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.2/1353 - Release Date: 3/31/2008 6:21 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Hi Alyssa, I'm so sorry you are going through this - all of you are going through this. It is just so sick what has been done to us/ is being done to us. You can ask for a copy of your baby's hospital records and hopefully that will ease your mind. My heart goes out to you Sheri >This is something that has really been bothering me since DD was born >almost 5 months ago. > >I wrote a very specific birth plan that stated NO VACCINES or drugs >for me or the baby; no IV, no pain meds, no Hep B, no vitamin K, no >eye ointment...nothing at all. The midwife on call and everybody >else who I remember coming into contact with seemed to follow our >wishes until I had some pretty serious postpartum hemorrhaging. The >delivery itself was drug-free, but once I got out of the birthing tub >they insisted on giving me an IV and several shots to try and stop >the bleeding. DH stayed with DD, but I had to call across the room >while they dealt with my bleeding to find out how much she weighed, >what time she was born, etc. Very frustrating. > >The next afternoon I was told my hemaglobin had dropped from 13 at my >last prenatal appt to 7 after the birth. I felt so weak and tired, >and for some reason let a nurse take DD out of the room to do the PKU >and hearing test. This decision has haunted me. DD came back a >while later sound asleep, but with a HUGE black bruise on the back of >her hand from the PKU. And I have always worried that she may also >have been given Hep B or something else I specifically told them not >to give, against my wishes. (whether they were aware of my wishes or >not) > >Am I being paranoid? Is there any way to find out one way or the >other, just to put my mind at ease? Does this really happen (nurses >giving shots without getting consent from the parents/without telling >them that's what they're taking the baby for?) This has seriously >been weighing on me for several months and every time I hear somebody >say " don't let baby out of your sight in the hospital " I get a >horrible sinking feeling in my stomach. I never should have allowed >them to take her, but I was so sick and tired I just wasn't thinking. >Alyssa in MN > > >------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Just wanted to let you know that I totally understand where you are coming from. I had a scheduled homebirth with my second but ended up with a C-section. My birth plan was similar to yours including no formula. Well, I had some complications with my surgery and didn't get out of surgery as quickly as they had hoped. Plus I didn't know that the hospital did glucose test for babies over 9 pounds. Well, I had prodromal labor for two weeks and really long active labor before the C-section, so it made sense that my son had a slightly low glucose level. They didn't let us know they were going to draw his blood and test him plus they gave him two bottles of formula. The first bottle I can sort of see their reasoning, but the next one was simply that they were two busy to bring him down to me. It took them five hours after I got out of surgery for them to finally bring him to me. We had to ask four times. When they brought him, he had a pacifier in his mouth (something else we said for them not to give to him). I promptly threw that in the trash can in front of the nurse. At the time, I wished I had asked my husband to go with the baby instead of letting him stay with me through the surgery. I hope they didn't do anything to your child that you didn't want. When my baby was released from the hospital, I had a discharge form for my family doctor. In there, it gave a summary of what was given. If they gave any vaccinations at the time, they should have it written in there. If you do not have one, you can call the hospital and ask for the records. They might charge you but if your doctor asks for it, they'll send it free of charge. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 There should be a record of it at the hospital. I would ask them. Actually I always wondered about that for one of my son's, even though they told me that in 1992 they didn't have the Hep B in our area yet. I did ask the pediatrician who had the records from the hospital and he confirmed it was not listed as being given. I still wonder since he knew I would have flipped out..... Maybe ask it of the hospital as if you're confident your child was given it, and see if they will say, oh, yes, indeed we gave it. But it should be on there. Winnie Allowing newborn out of your sight in hospital after birth Vaccinations > This is something that has really been bothering me since DD was > born > almost 5 months ago. > > I wrote a very specific birth plan that stated NO VACCINES or > drugs > for me or the baby; no IV, no pain meds, no Hep B, no vitamin K, > no > eye ointment...nothing at all. The midwife on call and > everybody > else who I remember coming into contact with seemed to follow > our > wishes until I had some pretty serious postpartum hemorrhaging. > The > delivery itself was drug-free, but once I got out of the > birthing tub > they insisted on giving me an IV and several shots to try and > stop > the bleeding. DH stayed with DD, but I had to call across the > room > while they dealt with my bleeding to find out how much she > weighed, > what time she was born, etc. Very frustrating. > > The next afternoon I was told my hemaglobin had dropped from 13 > at my > last prenatal appt to 7 after the birth. I felt so weak and > tired, > and for some reason let a nurse take DD out of the room to do > the PKU > and hearing test. This decision has haunted me. DD came back a > while later sound asleep, but with a HUGE black bruise on the > back of > her hand from the PKU. And I have always worried that she may > also > have been given Hep B or something else I specifically told them > not > to give, against my wishes. (whether they were aware of my > wishes or > not) > > Am I being paranoid? Is there any way to find out one way or > the > other, just to put my mind at ease? Does this really happen > (nurses > giving shots without getting consent from the parents/without > telling > them that's what they're taking the baby for?) This has > seriously > been weighing on me for several months and every time I hear > somebody > say " don't let baby out of your sight in the hospital " I get a > horrible sinking feeling in my stomach. I never should have > allowed > them to take her, but I was so sick and tired I just wasn't thinking. > > Alyssa in MN > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 That's a shame. I didn't want my baby to leave my sight either, I had a c-section and I sent my hubby to stay with her the entire time. I didn't know enough about the vita K shot and allowed that, and she had a reaction (or what I think was one). After they administered it she had an irregular heartbeat and had difficulty breathing. They wound up keeping her in the nursery for FIVE hours without me seeing her, and insisted on transferring her " down " to the PIC U. I flipped out and my husband just took her from them and brought her to me, and I wouldn't let her leave my sight after that. I too was nervous about leaving her. It's a shame we have to worry about what they are going to do with our babies when we are not with them. : ) : ) Canyon Creek Labs www.canyoncreeklabs.com We have puppies!!! On Apr 1, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Sheri Nakken wrote: > At 09:24 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote: > >When I refused the hep B vax the Drs and nurses all told me they need > >written consent to give the vaccine. It will all be written down in > >your baby's records, which you can get. But if anything would have > >been given without your knowledge, I would assume the eye ointment > >over anything, it's habit for the nurses. As far as vaccines are > >involved, they should be required to ask you first, and it is illegal > >for them to lie about it. > >Good luck > > : ) > > Yes, but doesn't mean it doesn't happen. > They do it routinely > Sheri > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 First, get the hospital records. They will show everything done to your baby. Second, though I don't understand the back of the hand bruise (I don't do ped's) but usually, blood is drawn from the heel on babies, was there a bandaid on her thigh? That's where babies will get their shots, in the thigh. If there wasn't then there is a safe bet that she did not receive any shots. Your hematocrit dropping that much is serious, it's a big bleed, don't beat yourself up. Hope this helps, doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 At 09:24 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote: >When I refused the hep B vax the Drs and nurses all told me they need >written consent to give the vaccine. It will all be written down in >your baby's records, which you can get. But if anything would have >been given without your knowledge, I would assume the eye ointment >over anything, it's habit for the nurses. As far as vaccines are >involved, they should be required to ask you first, and it is illegal >for them to lie about it. >Good luck > : ) Yes, but doesn't mean it doesn't happen. They do it routinely Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Written consent to *give* the vaccine? That’s new. Usually it’s written refusal. We never signed consent to give for Christian, they gave and tried to get us to sign consent after…. Hahahahaah that went over like a lead balloon. Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 HYPERLINK " http://momof6.dotphoto.com " http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not necessarily current pictures Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.2/1353 - Release Date: 3/31/2008 6:21 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.2/1353 - Release Date: 3/31/2008 6:21 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 First, yes it most certainly does and a friend is still in court right now with a local hospital because they circed her son when she clearly and repeatedly told them not to. Second, to help put your mind at ease I would contact her doc or the hospital and ask to get a copy of her medical records. It may cost you a slight charge for copying them, but well worth it and if they did do anything it will be in there. They don't need to know why you want them. I also had some severe post partum hemoraghing with my son and got a shot of pit after birth. I wasn't happy, but it was better then the alternative. My DH went with my son every time he had to be taken from the room and with my daughter the hospital I deleivered in doesn't even have a nursery so she had to room in and anything like the PKU and etc was done in my room. I was not allowed out of bed so if it hadn't been for DH my son would have been taken from me I am sure. I really hope nothing was done without your permission, but don't beat yourself up too much if it was. You are doing your best and at least you are informed enough to make the decision even if it is ignored sometimes. > > This is something that has really been bothering me since DD was born > almost 5 months ago. > > I wrote a very specific birth plan that stated NO VACCINES or drugs > for me or the baby; no IV, no pain meds, no Hep B, no vitamin K, no > eye ointment...nothing at all. The midwife on call and everybody > else who I remember coming into contact with seemed to follow our > wishes until I had some pretty serious postpartum hemorrhaging. The > delivery itself was drug-free, but once I got out of the birthing tub > they insisted on giving me an IV and several shots to try and stop > the bleeding. DH stayed with DD, but I had to call across the room > while they dealt with my bleeding to find out how much she weighed, > what time she was born, etc. Very frustrating. > > The next afternoon I was told my hemaglobin had dropped from 13 at my > last prenatal appt to 7 after the birth. I felt so weak and tired, > and for some reason let a nurse take DD out of the room to do the PKU > and hearing test. This decision has haunted me. DD came back a > while later sound asleep, but with a HUGE black bruise on the back of > her hand from the PKU. And I have always worried that she may also > have been given Hep B or something else I specifically told them not > to give, against my wishes. (whether they were aware of my wishes or > not) > > Am I being paranoid? Is there any way to find out one way or the > other, just to put my mind at ease? Does this really happen (nurses > giving shots without getting consent from the parents/without telling > them that's what they're taking the baby for?) This has seriously > been weighing on me for several months and every time I hear somebody > say " don't let baby out of your sight in the hospital " I get a > horrible sinking feeling in my stomach. I never should have allowed > them to take her, but I was so sick and tired I just wasn't thinking. > > Alyssa in MN > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 FWIW, you can get your own records for yourself in any state, they're legally yours & you have a right to them, period. BUT they have a little loophole that allows them to charge you copying fees- some are more than others, but you don't HAVE to have a dr. get them for you & IMO, i think everyone should request their records for themselves ANYWAY. & just b/c it's on the itemized bill, does't necessarily mean they did it either. there's often times little things that are tacked on there that were never given or done- meds, pain med injections, etc. lots of things. so you should go over both (your records, & the itemized bill, plus what you KNOW to be true) to determine if they're trying to get paid for something they didn't do. in my records, there were quite a few things ordered & said to be administered (per nurses notes) yet, i know for a FACT they were never administered. but i would be curious to see what the nurses notes include on your baby, they should include any shots that were given, etc. ~Marcia~ > > Here in Iowa you can actually get your own medical records for your very own > self, but in other states you need to have your doctor ask for them. I > would ask your doctor to get the records from the hospital. Heaven forbid > she was given anything, you can raise holy hell about it for her and for > every baby that comes after her. Here's to you being paranoid, instead of > right! > > > > Maeghan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 not necessaily- i had a c/s w/ my son & b/c he was just over 9# they insisted on heel sticks, before i got my hands on him over 4hrs later, they'd stuck his heels a total of 12 times! & they'd given him the vit K & Hep B shots & he never had bandaids anywhere. when we discharged they decided his billiruben was too high & were going to keep him & i got PISSED, they called the ped at home & let me talk to him & he had them pull a veinous sample to do the billi (instead of another heel prick) & it came back different than their stupid little forehead light tester thing. that was the only prick that got a bandaid & it was in his inner elbow, not the back of his hand. i've attended a few other births of friends & they've never put bandaids on the babies after shots, etc either so it's not really a good indicator if they gave the shots or not. ~marcia~ > > First, get the hospital records. They will show everything done to your baby. Second, though I > don't understand the back of the hand bruise (I don't do ped's) but usually, blood is drawn > from the heel on babies, was there a bandaid on her thigh? That's where babies will get their > shots, in the thigh. If there wasn't then there is a safe bet that she did not receive any shots. > Your hematocrit dropping that much is serious, it's a big bleed, don't beat yourself up. > > Hope this helps, doris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 I'm working on a legal case where a young father said NO to a Hep B vaccination after his baby was born, and someone informed him " It's the law " and pulled the baby right out of his arms to do. No consent, no signature and an expressed denial. I have the vaccine record. There is NO signature on the parent line. He said no because his older child was unvaccinated due to my years of research on the subject and a family history of vaccine adverse events. That older child is my only grandchild and the younger one her half-sister. Two or 3 days later, she didn't want to eat, her eyes rolled back and she became unresponsive to " finger-snapping " and voice and appeared to stop breathing. Four miserable days later she was released from the hospital after they diagnosed strep and staph infecting her blood, gave her dangerous antibiotics, then decided arbitrarily that it " must " have been a contaminated blood sample, although she did have high bilirubin and jaundice. That progressed into symptoms that became more serious about 21 days later, and at 28 days were at a critical stage--not that showed in her behavior, which was mostly a high-pitched cry, but in x-rays and a CT scan which was diagnosed as " Shaken Baby Syndrome " which eventually put the parents in prison for a combined 24 years. Just " coincidentally " every single sign and symptom she had exactly matches infantile scurvy, which I found by going over at least 150 years of medical history on the subject--brain swelling and hemorrhaging, retinal and conjunctival hemorrhaging, abnormal bruising, broken bones or the appearance there of from blooding on the skin of the bones that appear on x-rays like healing fractures, hypersensitivity--skin sores, lesions on the roof of the mouth and pharnyx, etc. Scurvy also has another common symptom no matter what the age...sudden death. Can vaccines cause scurvy? --any kind of viral or bacterial infection, including those injected by needle can cause vitamin C deficiency and that's what scurvy is, and in this case, infection far accelerates the condition than what is found in simple nutritional deficiency, particularly in formula-fed babies. So beware. http://truthquest2.com/johnlaverty/index.htm --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 you are right they don't get written consent to do it At 01:00 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote: Written consent to *give* the vaccine? That’s new. Usually it’s written refusal. We never signed consent to give for Christian, they gave and tried to get us to sign consent after…. Hahahahaah that went over like a lead balloon. Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 HYPERLINK " http://momof6.dotphoto.com " http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not necessarily current pictures Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 At the hospital I delivered it was the same sheet, you just had to accept or decline. : ) : ) Canyon Creek Labs www.canyoncreeklabs.com We have puppies!!! On Apr 1, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Venita Garner wrote: > Written consent to *give* the vaccine? That’s new. Usually it’s > written > refusal. We never signed consent to give for Christian, they gave and > tried to get us to sign consent after…. Hahahahaah that went over > like a > lead balloon. > > > > Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 14, Jon 13, 10, > 8, > 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 > HYPERLINK " http://momof6.dotphoto.com " http://momof6.dotphoto.com for > not > necessarily current pictures > Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long > enough to make them all yourself. > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.2/1353 - Release Date: > 3/31/2008 6:21 PM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.2/1353 - Release Date: > 3/31/2008 6:21 PM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 the hospital my daughter was born in Bergen County, NJ we got a two part form. top portion consented to the Hep B and explained how " there are risks " ...- the bottom part was to decline the vaccine. we " xed " the top portion and signed the bottom. even with this in place along with my written birthplan that specifically stated no vaccines, vit k, eye goop, my husband and i were extremely on guard - he followed our baby everywhere. Arianna Mojica " All rights not demanded are presumed waived. ~ Thurston " I share our Founders' belief that in a free society each citizen must have the right to keep and bear arms. Ron When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies ~U.S. Representative Ron , MD. " RE: Allowing newborn out of your sight in hospital after birth you are right they don't get written consent to do it At 01:00 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote: Written consent to *give* the vaccine? That’s new. Usually it’s written refusal. We never signed consent to give for Christian, they gave and tried to get us to sign consent after…. Hahahahaah that went over like a lead balloon. Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 HYPERLINK " http://momof6. dotphoto. com " http://momof6. dotphoto. com for not necessarily current pictures Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals./tc/blockbuster/text5.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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