Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Hey can we do a measles party?? Have them chew on some lollipops and send them to me? I’d love natural measles.. though it’s not really “natural” since she is vaxxed. Med’s always have an “out” planned for vaccine failure. It might be the only way they can sleep at night. That might be harsh but geez, there are so many lies surrounding vaccination and then to be yelled at when you don’t….. how very convenient for him to say ‘oh it didn’t take’.. not even a thought to geez, the vaccine might not work and maybe I should reexamine how the immune system works.. nah. Can’t have that. If it were me, I’d be over there exposing my kids. Perhaps not the baby but then again, if it happened by accident, what could I do? Same as if the olders brought it home to the youngers. I have info on how to treat it. I wouldn’t be a happy camper from the dumbness of the doc’s comment. Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 13, 11, 9, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 HYPERLINK " http://momof6.dotphoto.com " http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not necessarily current pictures Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.6/1360 - Release Date: 4/4/2008 6:02 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.6/1360 - Release Date: 4/4/2008 6:02 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 If your friends in playgroup find out your kid isn't vaxed they they may not want to play with you anymore for these ignorant peoples view unvaxed kids as the ones spreading disease..... Vaccinations@...: bobysandsuss@...: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 00:47:55 +0000Subject: MEASLES! A friend of mine's toddler has the measles! She was vaxed for it, too. what did the doc say? Well, her body must not have taken to the immunity and she got infected by someone who was vaxed in the last 2-3 weeks!If I were her I would not be a happy camper!Now here's my question for ya'll...should I keep my unvaxed son away from recently vaxed kids? I mean, as well as I can? Like ask friends before playgroups if there kids have been stuck lately? and if so, which vaxs can be communicable? _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_sk\ ydrive_packup_042008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 I remember worrying about that a lot at first, too. I would assume I'm always around recently vaccinated people, especially young children. I can't say my kids have ever come down with anything from being exposed that way. (I don't think about it too much now. I have new worries with a teenage driver: all drivers to me are 16-yr-olds with their new permits!!). It is prudent to keep your children out of playgroups if there seems to be a lot of illness. If the others seem healthy, then there's probably nothing serious to catch. Winnie MEASLES! Vaccinations > A friend of mine's toddler has the measles! She was vaxed for > it, > too. what did the doc say? Well, her body must not have taken > to the > immunity and she got infected by someone who was vaxed in the > last 2-3 > weeks! > > If I were her I would not be a happy camper! > > Now here's my question for ya'll...should I keep my unvaxed son > away > from recently vaxed kids? I mean, as well as I can? Like ask > friends > before playgroups if there kids have been stuck lately? and if > so, > which vaxs can be communicable? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Winnie - this is a concern for me as well. Although, I understand the vaccines are not going to protect against colds/flu's I am still concerned because I can not really control who my kids are around and if they got their vaccines recently. My oldest goes to preschool and whatever he is exposed to and then he brings home also to my little one. I completely unerstand what you are saying about trying to keep them away but most of the colds, ect are contagious even before they show signs..plus, we are a very active family. We go to the park, pool, zoo, things like that so to me, it is impossible to know who your kids are around and what illness they have. For example, my youngest was sick to his stomach for about 24 hrs. I had him at the store and he decided to put his mouth on the cart. Now, I made him stop doing it of course but he is 18 months and I did not catch him before he got his mouth on it...now he is sick. I do not know he got the illness from the shopping cart but it may be a good bet. I am not trying to argue with you..I agree with you I am just saying for me, this is the hardest part because I do not want to have to worry about where we are going and who is there. Any suggestions, or am I over analyzing this??? I have a habit of doing that ~Beth MEASLES! Vaccinations > A friend of mine's toddler has the measles! She was vaxed for > it, > too. what did the doc say? Well, her body must not have taken > to the > immunity and she got infected by someone who was vaxed in the > last 2-3 > weeks! > > If I were her I would not be a happy camper! > > Now here's my question for ya'll...should I keep my unvaxed son > away > from recently vaxed kids? I mean, as well as I can? Like ask > friends > before playgroups if there kids have been stuck lately? and if > so, > which vaxs can be communicable? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Beth, You're right, by the time the signs show up the illness can already have been passed on. But if you see something nasty going around and you're worried, it might be a good time to skip a few get togethers. On the flip side, I keep my guys home at the first sign of anything in them so I can nip it in the bud--and I don't want it spreading through the house (and to me!!). The older ones tend not to complain as much so they don't stay home too often. I don't think you're over-analyzing anything, just worrying about something and not wanting to. I can't help with that. I'm the same way. It keeps me on my toes. Winnie MEASLES! > Vaccinations > > > A friend of mine's toddler has the measles! She was vaxed for > > it, > > too. what did the doc say? Well, her body must not have taken > > to the > > immunity and she got infected by someone who was vaxed in the > > last 2-3 > > weeks! > > > > If I were her I would not be a happy camper! > > > > Now here's my question for ya'll...should I keep my unvaxed > son > > away > > from recently vaxed kids? I mean, as well as I can? Like ask > > friends > > before playgroups if there kids have been stuck lately? and if > > so, > > which vaxs can be communicable? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 I had to quit worrying about this a long time ago. Kids get sick from time-to-time, it's a fact of life. This builds natural immunities and ultimately makes our children stronger. Yes, it's hard to watch them be sick at the time, and we are the ones that stay up comforting them through the illness, but honestly, I'd rather go through a temporary stomach/gut issue, a cold or even the chicken pox, mumps or measles than to subject my child to the TRUE horrors called vaccines, that leave permanent damage behind. I don't limit my kiddo's exposure to anything, except from daycares, for fear of illness. You can't keep your kids in a bubble! I can tell you that my child is sick a LOT, LOT, LOT less than most vax'd kids he hangs around with. My neighbor's vax'd kid who is the same age as mine had TWELVE ear infections over the winter. Mine had one, and I don't really think it was an infection, but more of an irritation due to teething. Yikes Winnie! Now THAT scares me! A teenage driver <gulp>! I'm going to move to the boonies before mine is old enough to drive. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 & Winnie, thanks girls, you post help to keep hearing it and feeling better about everything. I agree 110%, no matter if you vax or not, kids are going to get sick. You can not let them live in a bubble and we DO NOT. We are always on the go. However, when I notice my kids are coming down with something, I do keep them in and make them rest. However, once they are feeling better, we are right back to our busy lifestyles..... ~Beth Re: MEASLES! I had to quit worrying about this a long time ago. Kids get sick from time-to-time, it's a fact of life. This builds natural immunities and ultimately makes our children stronger. Yes, it's hard to watch them be sick at the time, and we are the ones that stay up comforting them through the illness, but honestly, I'd rather go through a temporary stomach/gut issue, a cold or even the chicken pox, mumps or measles than to subject my child to the TRUE horrors called vaccines, that leave permanent damage behind. I don't limit my kiddo's exposure to anything, except from daycares, for fear of illness. You can't keep your kids in a bubble! I can tell you that my child is sick a LOT, LOT, LOT less than most vax'd kids he hangs around with. My neighbor's vax'd kid who is the same age as mine had TWELVE ear infections over the winter. Mine had one, and I don't really think it was an infection, but more of an irritation due to teething. Yikes Winnie! Now THAT scares me! A teenage driver <gulp>! I'm going to move to the boonies before mine is old enough to drive. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Keeping them in when they are coming down with something is being a responsible parent. You're not only protecting your child from getting worse by overdoing it, you're protecting other people's children/adults from being exposed unnecessarily. This is one area where I wish more people would take consideration... for instance, my boss used to get mad when people would call in sick because they had a cold or the flu.. but I was always GLAD they called in because they weren't exposing me to it! On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Beth Jacomet <tommygirl18_1981@...> wrote: > > & Winnie, > > thanks girls, you post help to keep hearing it and feeling better about everything. I agree 110%, no matter if you vax or not, kids are going to get sick. You can not let them live in a bubble and we DO NOT. We are always on the go. However, when I notice my kids are coming down with something, I do keep them in and make them rest. However, once they are feeling better, we are right back to our busy lifestyles..... > > ~Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 It's very scary to have a driving child (he calls himself a " man of the road " ). Poor Mr. Man had to wait a year to get his license because of his neurotic mother! You're right--I see vaccinated kids getting more illnesses and for longer. However, my youngest was never vaccinated but was given a lot of antibiotics during his first year--not sure why I allowed that when I knew better. Anyway, he tends to have respiratory illnesses that are worrisome. So, I think it's also the medical treatments the vaccinated kids get. I'm sure a lot of parents who vaccinate also believe in the drugs they're prescribed by the peds. and the illnesses linger. Winnie Re: MEASLES! Vaccinations > I had to quit worrying about this a long time ago. Kids get > sick from > time-to-time, it's a fact of life. This builds natural > immunities and > ultimately makes our children stronger. Yes, it's hard to watch > them be > sick at the time, and we are the ones that stay up comforting > them through > the illness, but honestly, I'd rather go through a temporary > stomach/gutissue, a cold or even the chicken pox, mumps or > measles than to subject my > child to the TRUE horrors called vaccines, that leave permanent damage > behind. I don't limit my kiddo's exposure to anything, except from > daycares, for fear of illness. You can't keep your kids in a > bubble! I can > tell you that my child is sick a LOT, LOT, LOT less than most > vax'd kids he > hangs around with. My neighbor's vax'd kid who is the same age > as mine had > TWELVE ear infections over the winter. Mine had one, and I > don't really > think it was an infection, but more of an irritation due to teething. > > Yikes Winnie! Now THAT scares me! A teenage driver ! > I'm going to > move to the boonies before mine is old enough to drive. LOL > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 I may be odd, but I don’t worry about them chewing on everything they can.. shopping carts, dirt… once was found eating dirt, I just loosened up a whole lot. Kids are kids. Germs build immunity. Yes, when my kid has a green nose, I’ll keep him home but sometimes I’m also like ‘It’s a nasty nose” I keep it wiped and we do a quick errand if we really have to. Generally, we don’t do a lot.. so busy in the house doing our school work and social ops’ aren’t what they used to be b/c the eat up so much time.. anyway, that is another tangent. I do get aggravated when people share their germs too much but then OTOH, it does help one build a stronger immune system. I don’t believe that wiping off every surface and always washing hands and feet and faces is really helping that much. Good hand washing when you have a cold is probably a good idea… I don’t think that we do that much around here. I started having the kids cough and sneeze into their elbows. What annoys me is the kid w/ the snotty nose that desperately needs to be wiped and the parents just ignore it and the kid comes around my kids.. ewww. Gross. Stay home next time kid! Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 13, 11, 9, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 HYPERLINK " http://momof6.dotphoto.com " http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not necessarily current pictures Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. _,___ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.7/1361 - Release Date: 4/5/2008 7:53 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.7/1361 - Release Date: 4/5/2008 7:53 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 I do agree with that to an extent, but I would still get annoyed when someone would come to work sick and pass it around. As someone with a compromised immune system (vaccine injury), every time I'm exposed to something, it goes straight to my lungs and I have violent wheezing/asthma episodes until I get over the germ. My kid is much more healthy than me because he isn't vaccine injured, so I'm not as worried about him catching something. He tends to get over things at a rabbit's pace, while I am slower than a snail -- though it's much better since introducing homeopathy and regular chiropractic care into my life. However, running an errand with a kid who has a runny nose is far different than sending your sick child to daycare all day. Sending a sick kid into a daycare environment makes your kid sicker longer and exposes everyone else's kid (some that are also vaccine injured) to the illness. I understand some people feel they have no choice, as they have to work, but it does create the never ending cycle of germ-passing that daycares are so notorious for. So, I just elect to avoid the daycare scene during the flu/RSV season. Cough into their elbows! That made me laugh! Hahahahahaha! I'm going to have to remember that one... although my kiddo is really *in* to washing his hands. He loves to have " bubbles " on his hands. It's almost annoying, but he IS two. When he gets really relentless, I stick him in a bubble bath instead. LOL On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Venita Garner <nitagarner@...> wrote: > > > I do get aggravated when people share their germs too much but then > OTOH, it does help one build a stronger immune system. I don't believe > that wiping off every surface and always washing hands and feet and > faces is really helping that much. Good hand washing when you have a > cold is probably a good idea… I don't think that we do that much around > here. I started having the kids cough and sneeze into their elbows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 That happens too with dh's work. He got a cold or something from an idiot coworker who had been told to stay home for 3 days but came after 2 " because I'm not contagious anymore, I'm medicated " ..... and dh paid the price for his stupidity and ignorance. I stay home with the kids, I never wanted them in daycare so for us, at least, it's not an issue. I've helped work a daycare though as a teen.. they'll send anything and everything. Even to public school. Even with a fever. Kate's teacher had some stories for us. 'so what he's got a fever? He's your responsibility now, I'm at work " That is why I avoid walmart. It seems to be the melting pot of germs around here. Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 13, 11, 9, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not necessarily current pictures Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.7/1361 - Release Date: 4/5/2008 7:53 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 That will be really hard to do................ Only the live vaccines are supposed to be possibly communicable - MMR, Varicella and oral polio. But I don't know how you would be able to avoid all and it is rare that we hear of children getting these diseases from others just vaccinated. Sheri At 07:47 PM 4/5/2008, you wrote: >A friend of mine's toddler has the measles! She was vaxed for it, >too. what did the doc say? Well, her body must not have taken to the >immunity and she got infected by someone who was vaxed in the last 2-3 >weeks! > >If I were her I would not be a happy camper! > >Now here's my question for ya'll...should I keep my unvaxed son away >from recently vaxed kids? I mean, as well as I can? Like ask friends >before playgroups if there kids have been stuck lately? and if so, >which vaxs can be communicable? > > > > >------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Well, this is new territory..............this is measles " FROM THE VACCINE " . Do you want that? I don't know what to tell people anymore.............maybe it would act the same in the body and give the immunity you all want. But I don't know. Sheri At 08:28 PM 4/5/2008, you wrote: >Hey can we do a measles party?? Have them chew on some lollipops and >send them to me? I’d love natural measles.. though it’s not really >“natural” since she is vaxxed. > > > >Med’s always have an “out” planned for vaccine failure. It might be the >only way they can sleep at night. That might be harsh but geez, there >are so many lies surrounding vaccination and then to be yelled at when >you don’t….. how very convenient for him to say ‘oh it didn’t take’.. >not even a thought to geez, the vaccine might not work and maybe I >should reexamine how the immune system works.. nah. Can’t have that. > > > >If it were me, I’d be over there exposing my kids. Perhaps not the baby >but then again, if it happened by accident, what could I do? Same as if >the olders brought it home to the youngers. I have info on how to treat >it. I wouldn’t be a happy camper from the dumbness of the doc’s comment. > > > >Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 13, 11, 9, > 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 >HYPERLINK " http://momof6.dotphoto.com " http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not >necessarily current pictures >Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long >enough to make them all yourself. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 You all cannot worry about this as there is no way to control this and I very very rarely have heard of any such thing We hear of the MMR and Varicella vax giving the children that got them Measles, Chickenpox, etc. But just don't hear of many others getting the disease from the vaxed, unless exposed to those who got the disease from their vax and then exposed others. Sheri At 09:58 PM 4/5/2008, you wrote: >Winnie - this is a concern for me as well. Although, I understand >the vaccines are not going to protect against colds/flu's I am still >concerned because I can not really control who my kids are around >and if they got their vaccines recently. My oldest goes to >preschool and whatever he is exposed to and then he brings home also >to my little one. > >I completely unerstand what you are saying about trying to keep them >away but most of the colds, ect are contagious even before they show >signs..plus, we are a very active family. We go to the park, pool, >zoo, things like that so to me, it is impossible to know who your >kids are around and what illness they have. For example, my >youngest was sick to his stomach for about 24 hrs. I had him at the >store and he decided to put his mouth on the cart. Now, I made him >stop doing it of course but he is 18 months and I did not catch him >before he got his mouth on it...now he is sick. I do not know he >got the illness from the shopping cart but it may be a good bet. > >I am not trying to argue with you..I agree with you I am just saying >for me, this is the hardest part because I do not want to have to >worry about where we are going and who is there. Any suggestions, >or am I over analyzing this??? I have a habit of doing that > >~Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Sheri, I'm confused--are you saying that this instance of measles is caused by the vaccine and not the same " wild " measles? mabel Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: Well, this is new territory..............this is measles " FROM THE VACCINE " . Do you want that? I don't know what to tell people anymore.............maybe it would act the same in the body and give the immunity you all want. But I don't know. Sheri At 08:28 PM 4/5/2008, you wrote: >Hey can we do a measles party?? Have them chew on some lollipops and >send them to me? I’d love natural measles.. though it’s not really >“natural” since she is vaxxed. > > > >Med’s always have an “out” planned for vaccine failure. It might be the >only way they can sleep at night. That might be harsh but geez, there >are so many lies surrounding vaccination and then to be yelled at when >you don’t….. how very convenient for him to say ‘oh it didn’t take’.. >not even a thought to geez, the vaccine might not work and maybe I >should reexamine how the immune system works.. nah. Can’t have that. > > > >If it were me, I’d be over there exposing my kids. Perhaps not the baby >but then again, if it happened by accident, what could I do? Same as if >the olders brought it home to the youngers. I have info on how to treat >it. I wouldn’t be a happy camper from the dumbness of the doc’s comment. > > > >Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 13, 11, 9, > 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 >HYPERLINK " http://momof6.dotphoto.com " http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not >necessarily current pictures >Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long >enough to make them all yourself. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 I'd say this has to rank as the top of MY top 10 FAQs!! A good place to start with that FAQ list ) When you first make the tentative decision to question the vaxs, you usually progress from postponing them while you research further, to avoiding some, then running from all of them like the plague!! The very next emotion is a sense of exposure, because you have abandoned a so-called liferaft & set yourself adrift in an enormous sea of unknowables. The false reassurance of protection touted by the Vax-pushers is a hard thing to give up. Avoiding Vax may the best choice to make in the real world, but we are only human & we still clamour for rock-solid reassurance... Since I decided to go this route I have done little else but worry about my daughter's exposure to others & whether I am really being a good parent, the doubts are there due to social conditioning. We are going against the main stream & it is hard to do taht, you need support. I know the short & long answer: read, read & read! To be a parent is to worry. But besides reading, it is helping me alot to read posts from other mothers who have lived many years with unvaxed kids with only benficial results. I am daring to begin to see the world not as fraught with evil diseases at every turn, but as a potentially friendly place, if you learn how to live in harmoiny with it. What better can you do for your children than to love them to bits & feed them as healthy a diet as you can. I think you just have to get stronger & stronger in that conviction, however you arrive at it. Candida > > Beth, > > You're right, by the time the signs show up the illness can already have been passed on. But if you see something nasty going around and you're worried, it might be a good time to skip a few get togethers. On the flip side, I keep my guys home at the first sign of anything in them so I can nip it in the bud--and I don't want it spreading through the house (and to me!!). The older ones tend not to complain as much so they don't stay home too often. > > I don't think you're over-analyzing anything, just worrying about something and not wanting to. I can't help with that. I'm the same way. It keeps me on my toes. > > Winnie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 I see what you’re saying but it’s *gotta* be better than the vaccine and if it d/n work, I don’t think I’ve lost anything b/c only the germ will transfer over from the person vaxxed, not all the preservatives and additives and crap that were also in the vaccine. Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 13, 11, 9, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 HYPERLINK " http://momof6.dotphoto.com " http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not necessarily current pictures Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Sheri, I'm confused--are you saying that this instance of measles is caused by the vaccine and not the same " wild " measles? Yep, that’s what’s she saying. The concern is it won’t transfer true immunity b/c it’s not “true” measles…. However, it’s all we have to work with _,_._,___ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.7/1361 - Release Date: 4/5/2008 7:53 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.7/1361 - Release Date: 4/5/2008 7:53 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 She said the child got infected by someone who was vaxed in the last 2 or 3 weeks Sheri > Sheri, > > I'm confused--are you saying that this instance of measles is caused by > the vaccine and not the same " wild " measles? > > mabel > > Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: > Well, this is new territory..............this is measles " FROM > THE VACCINE " . > Do you want that? > I don't know what to tell people > anymore.............maybe it would act the same > in the body and give the immunity you all want. > But I don't know. > > Sheri > At 08:28 PM 4/5/2008, you wrote: >>Hey can we do a measles party?? Have them chew on some lollipops and >>send them to me? I’d love natural measles.. though it’s not really >>“natural” since she is vaxxed. >> >> >> >>Med’s always have an “out” planned for vaccine failure. It might be the >>only way they can sleep at night. That might be harsh but geez, there >>are so many lies surrounding vaccination and then to be yelled at when >>you don’t….. how very convenient for him to say ‘oh it didn’t take’.. >>not even a thought to geez, the vaccine might not work and maybe I >>should reexamine how the immune system works.. nah. Can’t have that. >> >> >> >>If it were me, I’d be over there exposing my kids. Perhaps not the baby >>but then again, if it happened by accident, what could I do? Same as if >>the olders brought it home to the youngers. I have info on how to treat >>it. I wouldn’t be a happy camper from the dumbness of the doc’s comment. >> >> >> >>Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 13, 11, 9, >> 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 >>HYPERLINK " http://momof6.dotphoto.com " http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not >>necessarily current pictures >>Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long >>enough to make them all yourself. >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Hi Mabel, if the infection came from a recently vaxed child, then it is likely to be the vaccination strain of measles and not the wild strain. This may be ok to contract, but we have no way of knowing if it will present itself the same as the wild strain or not. It is essentially a modified illness. In this case it is most likely that the vaccine has shed the virus to the other child. Fieldman RE: MEASLES! She said the child got infected by someone who was vaxed in the last 2 or 3 weeks Sheri > Sheri, > > I'm confused--are you saying that this instance of measles is caused by > the vaccine and not the same " wild " measles? > > mabel > > Recent Activity a.. 32New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Home Improvement on Find tips & tricks for doing it yourself. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Which is yet another reason to question how effective the vaccine really is... it the virus in the vaccine is mutated from the wild strain, then there's 0% effectiveness (just like the flu shot is a gamble every year), rather than whatever the CDC claims. On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Fieldman <lisafieldman@...> wrote: > > Hi Mabel, if the infection came from a recently vaxed child, then it is likely to be the vaccination strain of measles and not the wild strain. This may be ok to contract, but we have no way of knowing if it will present itself the same as the wild strain or not. It is essentially a modified illness. In this case it is most likely that the vaccine has shed the virus to the other child. > > Fieldman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 JUST SO THAT I UNDERSTAND... is the unvxd child more at risk for complications if the measles infection is from a vxd child vs. acquiring it the natural way. i mean... how would one ever know the source... unless you keep your kids sheltered from others .??? we dont go around asking friends or relatives if their kids have been recently vaxd so how would one know and what difference would it make? Arianna Mojica All rights not demanded are presumed waived. ~ Thurston " I share our Founders' belief that in a free society each citizen must have the right to keep and bear arms. Ron When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies ~U.S. Representative Ron , MD. " RE: MEASLES! She said the child got infected by someone who was vaxed in the last 2 or 3 weeks Sheri > Sheri, > > I'm confused--are you saying that this instance of measles is caused by > the vaccine and not the same " wild " measles? > > mabel > > Recent Activity a.. 32New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Home Improvement on Find tips & tricks for doing it yourself. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 The answer is not really clear Arianna. It may be the same risk as the wild strain. But at the end of the day, there is no way to really know. I think we all have to stop worrying about what our children may or may not catch, and focus more on general health and fitness. This way, our immune systems become stronger, and no matter what we catch, we have a much easier time. We can't avoid being exposed, but it would be preferable to contract the natural wild strain than the un natural vaccine strain. If I knew a child had the wild strain, then I would most likely try and get my child exposed. But if I had doubts about it being wild or vaccine strain, then I would give it a miss. Just to be on the safe side. At the end of the day, it is just something you can't be sure of. But that doesn't mean we have to go around with the fear our children will catch it. It certainly isn't as dangerous as catching measles directly from the vaccine. Or just getting the vaccine for that matter. Fieldman RE: MEASLES! She said the child got infected by someone who was vaxed in the last 2 or 3 weeks Sheri > Sheri, > > I'm confused--are you saying that this instance of measles is caused by > the vaccine and not the same " wild " measles? > > mabel > > Recent Activity a.. 32New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Home Improvement on Find tips & tricks for doing it yourself. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 thanks . i agree with you completely, we can't live in a bubble.... I wasnt asking out of fear... I am way past that :-) i was just trying to understand the difference so that i can better defend my position. thanks Arianna Mojica All rights not demanded are presumed waived. ~ Thurston " I share our Founders' belief that in a free society each citizen must have the right to keep and bear arms. Ron When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies ~U.S. Representative Ron , MD. " RE: MEASLES! She said the child got infected by someone who was vaxed in the last 2 or 3 weeks Sheri > Sheri, > > I'm confused--are you saying that this instance of measles is caused by > the vaccine and not the same " wild " measles? > > mabel > > Recent Activity a.. 32New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Home Improvement on Find tips & tricks for doing it yourself. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Arianna-I'm with you on this one, I am so confused.I got lost in this shuffle. Arianna Mojica <ariannalaw68@...> wrote: JUST SO THAT I UNDERSTAND... is the unvxd child more at risk for complications if the measles infection is from a vxd child vs. acquiring it the natural way. i mean... how would one ever know the source... unless you keep your kids sheltered from others .??? we dont go around asking friends or relatives if their kids have been recently vaxd so how would one know and what difference would it make? Arianna Mojica All rights not demanded are presumed waived. ~ Thurston " I share our Founders' belief that in a free society each citizen must have the right to keep and bear arms. Ron When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies ~U.S. Representative Ron , MD. " RE: MEASLES! She said the child got infected by someone who was vaxed in the last 2 or 3 weeks Sheri > Sheri, > > I'm confused--are you saying that this instance of measles is caused by > the vaccine and not the same " wild " measles? > > mabel > > Recent Activity a.. 32New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Home Improvement on Find tips & tricks for doing it yourself. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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