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In a message dated 3/22/2008 1:35:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

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> One nurse made some nasty comment under her breath and amazingly another

> nurse defended me and said " She has the right to her opinion. "

Amazingly? Nurses are not the enemy. Our listowner Sheri is a nurse and so

am I. Most nurses who administer vaccines are just doing what they've been

taught and what is required of them on their job. Even when I was working in a

big city hospital, I never questioned a patient's right to refuse any

particular treatment, including vaccines.

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“celebrate”?! jaw dropping!! Scary.

Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian

(7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/308

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enough to make them all yourself.

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" We thought that it would be a special treat for the kids if it

coincided with their spring break. "

Super-duper Special-treat!!!! Woohoo!!! I am numb.

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> " celebrate " ?! jaw dropping!! Scary.

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I was born and raised in NM. I now live in Colorado, thankfully!

Things are MUCH easier on us here as far as the vax issues go. When

my first son was born at home in 2005, we were SHOCKED to receive a

letter from the governor himself lecturing on the importance of

vaccinations and adhering to the schedule. The used our birth

certificate application to track us down. I can't remember what their

immunization goals are, but they are REALLY high there. You can't

turn on the local TV stations there without being bombarded with

advertisements - mostly the " free public service " type announcements

from all the local celebrity news anchors - on the importance of

vaccines.

My son and I were featured in a piece on Channel 7 News there

regarding HypnoBirthing, and at that interview my midwife and I

mentioned the vaccine controversey, and the fact that vaccines were

unsafe. The anchor stated at the time, " Get me proof and I'll go on

the air with that... now THAT would be a story! " I sent her a bunch

of information regarding vaccines but never heard back from her. I'm

certain the powers that be at the station would never let her go

through with a story like that.

I was deathly afraid to take my child to a mainstream allopathic

doctor in New Mexico, so I didn't. I had to go to my primary care

physician for something unavoidable for me after the birth of my

child. I took my then four-month-old with me and decided to broach

the subject of vaccines and how he felt about the issue, thinking

maybe I could let my child be seen by our family doctor that we'd been

going to for 10+ years. His response was " I think you are stupid... I

think you are igorant... I think you are wrong. I've seen children

die from Pertussis. But I will not refuse to treat him because you do

not vaccinate, I'll just have to have you sign a waiver. " He didn't

care that I am vaccine injured, stating that it probably was just

concidence that I had a reaction at the same time as vaccine

injections (Anaphylaxis a coincidence?? My airways closed up withing

minutes of receiving my vaccines! I developed chronic asthma after

that doctor visit when I was 8 years old!) nor did he want to hear any

of the " false information " I had dug up on the subject. I RAN out of

that office clutching my child, and never went back. It was then and

there that I decided my child was better off in the hands of the

chiropractor we had been taking him to since birth, and that my child

just wouldn't attend any well-baby checkups, period. My chiro thought

it was the smartest decision of my life, as did I!

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Disgusting. I'll tell you what I did about something similar--I must have been

driven temporarily mad to do this but anyway--there is a place nearby that had

an ad in the paper for a carnival/immuniztion clinic. There were clowns, a

bouncy house, food and drink, etc. I saw red, and showed up with my then three

kids wearing t-shirts I made up the night before. We signed in wearing our

jackets and then took them off after declining their offer to vaccinate the

kids.

My shirt had an outline of my cleavage, with " Nurse your child for the best

shot, " one of the kids' shirts had the word " Vaccine " with a red circle and

slash through it, the youngest's said on the back " I'm vaccine-free and you

can't bribe me " and I forget the other one. The people there never spoke

directly to me but hovered over us offering us hot dogs, etc. (probably trying

to keep my mouth full so I couldn't talk). One nurse made some nasty comment

under her breath and amazingly another nurse defended me and said " She has the

right to her opinion. " Not sure if they ever had another carnival...

Winnie

Horrible PR stunt....

Vaccinations

> If you live in New Mexico, you might have seen this...

>

> " Free movie and immunizations: Horton hears an " ow! "

> http://www.lcsun-news.com/healthyliving/ci_8617396

>

> " This spring break you and your children do not have to travel

> far or

> spend a lot of money to have a great time. The New Mexico Department

> of Health and several community partners are holding a spring break

> Movie Mania day Wednesday, March 26, at Telshor Cinemas, 2811 N.

> Telshor Blvd. "

>

> " Children 18 years and younger and their parents will get into

> the new

> Dr. Seuss movie, " Horton Hears A Who! " with their child's shot

> record.The first 500 children will also get free popcorn and their

> choice of water, fruit punch or lemonade. The doors will open at 9

> a.m. and movie showings start at 9:30 and 10:30 a.m. "

>

> " Not up-to-date on your children's immunizations? The Department of

> Health will have an immunization clinic on-site. "

>

> " Children can get free shots at the movie theater, " said Liz Castro,

> outreach office coordinator for the Department's Office of Border

> Health. " They need to have a parent with them and they also need their

> immunization card. "

>

> " The free movie event and immunization clinic are in celebration of

> National Infant Immunization Week, which is being held April 19-26

> this year. The event is being sponsored by Theatres, Las

> Compañeras, First Step and Memorial Medical Center. "

>

> " We are celebrating a month early, " Castro said. " We thought

> that it

> would be a special treat for the kids if it coincided with their

> spring break. "

>

> " Because of the effectiveness of vaccines in the United States,

> parents are often unaware of the serious and life-threatening diseases

> that their children are at risk of contracting, " said Hartoon,

> disease prevention program manager for the Department of Health

> in Las

> Cruces. " Keeping your child up-to-date on all of their immunizations

> is the best way to protect them. "

>

>

> " At Theatres, when we donate to the community, it's all about

> helping kids, " said. " We think this is an excellent

> program for

> our community. "

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> They're getting desperate....

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Good on you Winnie. If you made even one parent think, then it was well worth

it. Doesn't matter what they do, being jabbed with a needle is not fun.

Fieldman

Horrible PR stunt....

Vaccinations

> If you live in New Mexico, you might have seen this...

>

> " Free movie and immunizations: Horton hears an " ow! "

> http://www.lcsun-news.com/healthyliving/ci_8617396

>

> " This spring break you and your children do not have to travel

> far or

> spend a lot of money to have a great time. The New Mexico Department

> of Health and several community partners are holding a spring break

> Movie Mania day Wednesday, March 26, at Telshor Cinemas, 2811 N.

> Telshor Blvd. "

>

> " Children 18 years and younger and their parents will get into

> the new

> Dr. Seuss movie, " Horton Hears A Who! " with their child's shot

> record.The first 500 children will also get free popcorn and their

> choice of water, fruit punch or lemonade. The doors will open at 9

> a.m. and movie showings start at 9:30 and 10:30 a.m. "

>

> " Not up-to-date on your children's immunizations? The Department of

> Health will have an immunization clinic on-site. "

>

> " Children can get free shots at the movie theater, " said Liz Castro,

> outreach office coordinator for the Department's Office of Border

> Health. " They need to have a parent with them and they also need their

> immunization card. "

>

> " The free movie event and immunization clinic are in celebration of

> National Infant Immunization Week, which is being held April 19-26

> this year. The event is being sponsored by Theatres, Las

> Compañeras, First Step and Memorial Medical Center. "

>

> " We are celebrating a month early, " Castro said. " We thought

> that it

> would be a special treat for the kids if it coincided with their

> spring break. "

>

> " Because of the effectiveness of vaccines in the United States,

> parents are often unaware of the serious and life-threatening diseases

> that their children are at risk of contracting, " said Hartoon,

> disease prevention program manager for the Department of Health

> in Las

> Cruces. " Keeping your child up-to-date on all of their immunizations

> is the best way to protect them. "

>

>

> " At Theatres, when we donate to the community, it's all about

> helping kids, " said. " We think this is an excellent

> program for

> our community. "

>

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>

> They're getting desperate....

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Amazingly, not because she's a nurse--my naturopath is a nurse, too. Amazingly

because the event was pro-vaccine and because she didn't have to do that. I

thought it was rather brave of her.

And, I'm not so sure nurses aren't the enemy in some cases, sorry. I have had

some of the rudest comments from nurses over my refusal to vaccinate, trained or

not. If I was at all intimidated, I could see them wielding a tremendous

influence over me as a new parent.

Winnie

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> In a message dated 3/22/2008 1:35:07 PM US Mountain Standard

> Time,

> wharrison@... writes:

>

> > One nurse made some nasty comment under her breath and

> amazingly another

> > nurse defended me and said " She has the right to her opinion. "

>

> Amazingly? Nurses are not the enemy. Our listowner Sheri is a

> nurse and so

> am I. Most nurses who administer vaccines are just doing what

> they've been

> taught and what is required of them on their job. Even when I

> was working in a

> big city hospital, I never questioned a patient's right to

> refuse any

> particular treatment, including vaccines.

>

> Becca

>

>

> **************

> Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on

> AOL Home.

>

> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-

> stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

>

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good for you!

Anyone in NM willing to do something similar

or pass out info at the line to get in?

Sheri

At 03:34 PM 3/22/2008, you wrote:

Disgusting. I'll tell you what I did about something similar--I must

have been driven temporarily mad to do this but anyway--there is a

place nearby that had an ad in the paper for a carnival/immuniztion

clinic. There were clowns, a bouncy house, food and drink, etc. I saw

red, and showed up with my then three kids wearing t-shirts I made up

the night before. We signed in wearing our jackets and then took them

off after declining their offer to vaccinate the kids.

My shirt had an outline of my cleavage, with " Nurse your child for

the best shot, " one of the kids' shirts had the word " Vaccine " with a

red circle and slash through it, the youngest's said on the back " I'm

vaccine-free and you can't bribe me " and I forget the other one. The

people there never spoke directly to me but hovered over us offering

us hot dogs, etc. (probably trying to keep my mouth full so I

couldn't talk). One nurse made some nasty comment under her breath

and amazingly another nurse defended me and said " She has the right

to her opinion. " Not sure if they ever had another carnival...

Winnie

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some nurses are open and willing to continue learning

some are not and are like nazi stormtroopers

same as the differences between non-nurses.

But on the whole, there are far more nurses looking at this than doctors.

Chiropractors, in most cases, are very aware of this and don't

vaccinate their children. Not all chiropractors, but many

We have a new chiropractor on this list and a new medical doctor from Latvia

Sheri

At 06:35 PM 3/22/2008, you wrote:

>Amazingly, not because she's a nurse--my naturopath is a nurse, too.

>Amazingly because the event was pro-vaccine and because she didn't

>have to do that. I thought it was rather brave of her.

>

>And, I'm not so sure nurses aren't the enemy in some cases, sorry. I

>have had some of the rudest comments from nurses over my refusal to

>vaccinate, trained or not. If I was at all intimidated, I could see

>them wielding a tremendous influence over me as a new parent.

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My experience has been that the nurses in the peds offices gave me the hardest

time (except one who handed me an exemption form without my asking). Also, at

one school, the nurse was rather snotty---she who has one anorexic son and

another ADHD, both on drugs for years. She was quite resistant to my suggestion

that she include in her notices to parents about how " vaccines are required by

law and I am required to enforce this " that the law allows for exemptions.

ER nurses seemed to take it in stride.

Winnie

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> some nurses are open and willing to continue learning

> some are not and are like nazi stormtroopers

>

> same as the differences between non-nurses.

>

> But on the whole, there are far more nurses looking at this than

> doctors.

> Chiropractors, in most cases, are very aware of this and don't

> vaccinate their children. Not all chiropractors, but many

>

> We have a new chiropractor on this list and a new medical doctor

> from Latvia

> Sheri

>

> At 06:35 PM 3/22/2008, you wrote:

> >Amazingly, not because she's a nurse--my naturopath is a nurse,

> too.

> >Amazingly because the event was pro-vaccine and because she

> didn't

> >have to do that. I thought it was rather brave of her.

> >

> >And, I'm not so sure nurses aren't the enemy in some cases,

> sorry. I

> >have had some of the rudest comments from nurses over my

> refusal to

> >vaccinate, trained or not. If I was at all intimidated, I could

> see

> >them wielding a tremendous influence over me as a new parent.

>

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Now THAT is awesome!! I think more of that should happen. Parents should be

informed

that they don't HAVE to vaccinate. There are options and alternatives. It's a

cheap trick and

total pharma PR stunt to have vaccines associated with " fun " . Disgusting! ~doris

>

> Disgusting. I'll tell you what I did about something similar--I must have been

driven

temporarily mad to do this but anyway--there is a place nearby that had an ad in

the

paper for a carnival/immuniztion clinic. There were clowns, a bouncy house, food

and

drink, etc. I saw red, and showed up with my then three kids wearing t-shirts I

made up

the night before. We signed in wearing our jackets and then took them off after

declining

their offer to vaccinate the kids.

>

> My shirt had an outline of my cleavage, with " Nurse your child for the best

shot, " one of

the kids' shirts had the word " Vaccine " with a red circle and slash through it,

the

youngest's said on the back " I'm vaccine-free and you can't bribe me " and I

forget the

other one. The people there never spoke directly to me but hovered over us

offering us

hot dogs, etc. (probably trying to keep my mouth full so I couldn't talk). One

nurse made

some nasty comment under her breath and amazingly another nurse defended me and

said " She has the right to her opinion. " Not sure if they ever had another

carnival...

>

> Winnie

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Las Cruces, NM is where this is taking place. It's down on the NM/Texas

border close to El Paso, so anyone living in the El Paso area could take a

peaceful but active stance like Winnie did. I wish I lived closer, I'd do

it! Being 8.5 months pregnant and a 16 hour drive away though, my hubby

wouldn't think of letting me go -- I tried to suggest a 2 day road trip. LOL

On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...>

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> good for you!

>

> Anyone in NM willing to do something similar

> or pass out info at the line to get in?

> Sheri

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