IS FEAR OF FEVER HURTING OUR CHILDREN?

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IS FEAR OF FEVER HURTING OUR CHILDREN?

By Edda West - VRAN Newsletter January-March, 2003

2003 Vaccination Risk Awareness Network Inc. CANADA

As paradigms go in the world of disease management, there is none more

deeply ingrained than the fear driven belief that without vaccinations we

are doomed to attack from legions of killer diseases. It's shadow partner,

" fear of fever " compels us to suppress fever whenever it arises and insures

our captivity to monopoly, sickness oriented medicine. The

medical/pharmaceutical empire flogs us with these tactics, imprinting fear

in the collective psyche, the favourite tool with which they dominate the

masses and usher us down the slippery slope of health breakdown and drug

dependency.

Vaccinations and fever suppressants, along with the overuse of antibiotics

and exposure to multiple chemical contaminants in the environment, are at

the root of the decline in children's health and vitality, manifesting at

large in the disablement of immune function, neurological function, and

upsurge of chronic diseases in large segments of society today. Children in

particular have been hit hard as they are the most vulnerable members of

society. New evidence is now emerging that fever suppressant drugs may be

another contributing factor to the explosive epidemic of neurodevelopmental

disorders like autism.

As loving and caring parents, we naturally want to help our children feel

better when the inevitable fevers, flus, colds and various illnesses arise

in childhood. Many will reach for popular over-the-counter remedies to

suppress fever and alleviate symptoms in the belief that these products are

reliable, effective, and safe. But how safe are they really? And what are

the risks when fever is suppressed and symptoms masked? Does fever have a

critical function in fighting sickness that we have lost sight of?

There is plenty of scientific evidence validating the benefits of fever in

fighting viral/bacterial inflammations and it's important role in the

healing process. Fever increases survival rate during infectious diseases -

basic information that has yet to reach the majority of people who remain

misinformed and misled by pharmaceutical and medical propaganda which still

shamelessly advocates the use of antipyretic drugs at the first sign of

fever. The myth that untreated fevers will lead to seizures and brain

damage is perpetuated ad nauseam. Fever is maligned, misunderstood and seen

as an enemy to be feared rather than an ally that signals the immune system

gearing up for action.

Aspirin was once commonly used to suppress fever until it was linked to

Reye's syndrome when given to children with viral infections like influenza

and chickenpox. Reye's syndrome is an often fatal disease affecting the

brain and liver, a primary reason doctors switched to acetaminophen, which

we now know to be the major cause of liver failure. One disaster after

another!

Acetaminophen is such a common ingredient used in both over-the-counter and

prescription medications, people may be unaware of its presence in the many

popular brands of fever, pain, colds and flu medications. Health Canada

recently issued an alert cautioning that the overuse of these

over-the-counter remedies can lead to serious liver toxicity and death.

" Parents should be especially cautious when giving children any products

containing acetaminophen. For example, the parent of a child with a

flu-like illness may use one product to treat the child's fever and another

to treat a runny nose, without realizing that both products contain the

same ingredients. A recently published article identified acetaminophen

overdose as the number one cause of acute liver failure in the US, and most

of these overdoses were unintentional. Often, several preparations of the

same brand (e.g. Tylenol Pain and Tylenol Sinus) or several medications for

the same symptoms (e.g. Tylenol Cold, Neo-Citran and Sinutab) are found in

the same household and, when used together, can result in an overdose. " (1)

It is important to understand that fever is not a disease, but rather a

symptom of an illness. Controversies surrounding the management of fever

cause enormous anxiety in parents, often resulting in a knee-jerk, fear

based reaction to kill the fever with drugs. As long as we remain captive

to the medical myth that nature made a mistake in causing fever to arise

during illness, our children will be put at risk. There is an urgency for

us to re-examine our basic assumptions about the nature of fever and its

evolutionary role in the survival of the species.

High fevers in some diseases like measles and roseola are needed in order

to discharge the virus. In a clinical study of 56 children during a measles

epidemic in Ghana, Africa in 1967, it was standard practice to treat every

case of measles with sedatives, antipyretics like aspirin and tylenol,

cough suppressants, and also as needed with antibiotics. In the first half

of the epidemic, 35% of the children died. But the treating doctors also

observed that the children who survived were usually the ones who had

higher fevers and more severe rashes than the ones who died. Although the

ones who died seemed less sick than the survivors at the beginning of the

illness, they then later got pneumonia and died.

At a vaccine risk conference in 2000, Dr. Philip Incao cited this study as

an example of the vital role of fever. " The doctors began to think that the

higher fevers and rash helped clear the measles virus from the body and

enhanced survival. And so half way through this measles epidemic, the

doctors revised their treatment and gave no sedatives, no aspirin or

tylenol, nor cough suppressants, but still gave antibiotics, antimalarials

and blood transfusions if needed. In this group, also of 56 children, only

7% died compared to 35% in the first group. This is a dramatic

demonstration, and there are many others, of the vitally important basic

principle that it is dangerous to suppress an inflammatory discharge. "

" Hippocrates recognized this over two thousand years ago. In any

inflammatory infectious disease, what is discharged out of the body can be

frightening to look at, but that's not what kills us. What can kill us

comes from the toxic effects of what's left inside the body and what's not

being discharged. "

" What I read in this study twenty years ago confirmed what I experienced in

my own practice, that the children who produced higher fevers and strong

rashes, and good discharges of mucous and pus, were healthier and more

robust and had stronger immune systems than the children who produced a low

intensity of these symptoms. These robust children in my practice, who

vigorously externalized and healed their infections spontaneously, often

without antibiotics, had had little or no antibiotics, or antipyretics, or

vaccinations in their lives. And the other children who had had all their

vaccinations, and lots of antipyretics, and antibiotics - who had had a lot

of suppressive, internalizing medical treatments, these children never got

high fevers. And these children were the ones who were more likely to have

allergies and autoimmune problems. " (2)

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The pervasive belief that fever is dangerous and must be suppressed

disregards the scientific evidence demonstrating its beneficial role in

inflammatory diseases. The immune system depends on the essential role of

fever to accomplish myriad tasks when gearing up to fight infections. New

Zealand researcher has assembled an impressive list of

citations from medical literature to prove this point. We are grateful for

her work, and include these excerpts as an addendum to this article.

" Doctors do a great disservice to you and your child when they prescribe

drugs to reduce fever " says Dr. Mendelsohn, pediatrician and author

of How To Raise A Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor. " Fever phobia is a

disease of pediatricians, not parents, and to the extent that parents are

victimized by it, doctors are at fault. " Parents are left to fear that

their child's temperature will keep rising unless measures are taken to

control it . " They don't tell you that reducing his temperature will do

nothing to make the patient well or that our bodies have a built-in

mechanism, not fully explained, that will prevent an infection-induced

temperature from reaching 106 degrees F (41 degrees C) (3)

Mendelsohn emphasizes that, " Only in the case of heatstroke, poisoning, or

other externally caused fevers is this bodily mechanism overwhelmed and

inoperative. " This would also include drug reactions and overdose.

Fever: Your Body's Defense Against Disease is the title of chapter 7 in Dr.

Mendeloshn's book, and undoubtedly one of the best guidelines ever written

for parents seeking a balanced and accurate perspective of the beneficial

and defensive role of fevers in childhood. He condemns the useless and

dangerous practice of fever suppression through drugs. " If your child

contracts an infection, the fever that accompanies it is a blessing, not a

curse. The spontaneous release of pyrogens cause the body temperature to

rise, a natural defense mechanism needed to fight disease. The presence of

fever tells you that the repair mechanisms of the body have gone into high

gear. It is something to rejoice over, not to fear. " (3)

He counters the myth that high fever causes seizures. " Many parents are

fearful of fevers because they have witnessed a convulsive seizure and

believe that their child may experience one if his temperature is allowed

to rise too high. High fevers do not cause convulsions. They result when

the temperature rises at an extremely rapid rate and are relatively

uncommon. It is estimated that only 4 percent of children with high fever

experience fever related convulsions. There is no evidence that those who

do have them suffer any serious aftereffects as a result. " (3)

" Fevers produced by viral or bacterial infections will not cause brain

damage or permanent physical harm. Fevers are a common symptom in children

and are not an indication of serious illness unless associated with major

changes in appearance and behavior or other additional symptoms such as

respiratory difficulty, extreme listlessness or loss of consciousness. The

height of a fever is not a measure of the severity of an illness. " (3)

Numerous studies have shown that fever enhances the immune response by

increasing mobility and activity of white cells called leucocytes which

disable bacteria and viruses and remove damaged tissue from the body. A

complex sequence of immune activities is activated by fever. Antiviral and

antibacterial properties of interferon are also increased with fever. With

a rise in temperature, iron is removed from the blood and stored in the

liver, further disabling the rate at which bacteria can multiply. Studies

of artificially induced fevers in laboratory animals infected with disease

have shown that elevated temperatures enhance survival, while lowered

temperatures increase the death rate. (4)

There is an exception however. When fever arises in a newborn baby in the

first few weeks of life, there is a heightened level of caution. " Newborn

babies may suffer from infections related to obstetrical interventions

during delivery, prenatal or hereditary conditions, aspiration pneumonia

from amniotic fluid forced into the lungs because of overmedication of the

mother during delivery…and exposure to the legion of germs that abound in

the hospital itself " , writes Dr. Mendelsohn who advises parents to seek

medical help if a baby runs a fever in the first two months of life.

Breastfeeding plays a critical role in preventing infections in infants.

Breastfed babies are superbly protected from a vast range of pathogens and

have a lesser risk of developing fevers in the newborn phase of life.

It is known that the blood-brain barrier is not intact until at least 6

weeks of life. This is why fever in very young infants, raises a big

caution flag because of the ease with which pathogens, viruses/bacteria can

gain access to the baby's brain/nervous system creating a higher risk for

meningitis. When medical help is sought for a feverish infant under 6 weeks

of age, it may lead to invasive procedures like spinal taps, antibiotics,

steroids and fever suppressants, which are also not without risk. If a

parent disagrees with the course of treatment, they are likely to encounter

hostility from the medical staff, as recently happened to a Boise area

mother who lost custody of her 5 week old baby when she took her to the

local ER for a check up.

The baby had been fussy and feverish all day, and the mother wanted to make

sure everything was alright. She consented to blood tests, urinalysis,

x-ray and I.V., but declined the spinal tap and wanted to wait for what the

test results might show. She calculated that there was about a 95% chance

her baby did not have meningitis and likely had the same cold the family

had just gotten over. Her decision to forgo the spinal tap and antibiotics

prompted the hospital to call Child Protective Services and the baby was

taken from her. The doctor felt the child's life was in danger because the

mother refused " life-saving treatment " , despite the fact that the baby had

improved significantly after some hours on I.V..

It would seem prudent to protect newborn infants during this early,

vulnerable time from exposure to any situation, or procedures that would

put them at risk of developing fevers. Yet, the majority of newborns and

young infants are vaccinated in the first 6-8 weeks of life. Doctors know

full well that the injection of vaccine cocktails containing a brew of

viral/bacterial particles, foreign proteins, adjuvants and chemical

preservatives will likely precipitate a feverish reaction in a large number

of babies. They even anticipate this, and often advise parents to dose the

child with " baby tylenol " prior to going in for the shot(s). And in the

aftermath of vaccination, the standard reassurance given to worried parents

calling the doctor's office with a fussy, feverish newly vaccinated baby,

is " It's perfectly normal - nothing to worry about. Just give the baby some

tylenol. "

In their determination to initiate vaccine agendas as soon as possible,

there is a curious and willful blindness amongst doctors in the vaccine

establishment. Why is there no concern about the impact of vaccine induced

fevers in infants during this critical early period of life? Why is it that

if a spontaneous fever arises in the newborn, it is viewed as a potential

medical emergency, but if the fever is vaccine induced, it is brushed off

as " normal " and parents are advised to suppress it with antipyretics?

The medical mindset that imposes vaccine schedules in early infancy

violates a fundamental precautionary principle which disregards the

fragility of the baby and the vulnerability of the immature brain/nervous

system/immune system. Just look at the double standard operative here. On

the one hand parents are cautioned to seek immediate medical help if fever

develops in the newborn, yet are heavily pressured to submit their babies

to multiple vaccines without regard for the fact that these injections are

the primary cause of fever in young infants. Fever is knowingly induced

during these early weeks of life, when all common sense and instinct should

prevail to protect the infant from this outcome.

It is not only the vaccine induced fevers which raise a caution. While the

fever signals the infant's immune response to the artificially implanted

viral/bacterial and chemical agents he/she is forced to cope with, the

bigger question is - what deeper affect do these toxic substances have, now

that they have access to the blood stream, vital organs and the immature

brain/nervous system? And what additional insult to injury occurs when the

resulting fever is then manipulated with antipyretic drugs preventing the

normal mobilization of the immune system?

A new theory regarding a potential cause of autism is currently being

explored by Dr. R. , M.D., Senior Scientist and Director of

the BioMedical Lab at Utah State University. His hypothesis questions

whether fever suppression is involved in the etiology of autism and

neurodevelopmental disorders.

Dr. is investigating evidence suggesting that the etiology of autism

involves infections of the pregnant mother or of a young child. " Most

infections result in fever that is routinely controlled with antipyretics

such as acetaminophen. The blocking of fever inhibits processes that

evolved over millions of years to protect against microbial attack. Immune

mechanisms in the central nervous system are part of this protective

process. " (4)

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" Pathological infections, including vaccinations, commonly result in fever.

For example, 50-60% of young children develop fever after receiving MMR

vaccine " , and are routinely treated with fever suppressants. Many parents

report their children slipped into autism following MMR shots. Dr.

has also found that " 43% of mothers with an autistic child experienced

upper respiratory tract, influenza-like, urinary or vaginal infections

during pregnancy compared to only 26% of control mothers " , suggesting that

in some cases autism may be linked to the " sequella of pathogenic

infections, especially those of viral origin. " (4)

Suppressing fever during pregnancy and labour may effect the fetus as

research has shown that acetaminophen " significantly decreased maternal and

fetal serum IL-6 " , an immune factor the infant is incapable of producing at

birth and depends on from the mother.(4) A press release (Oct./02) from the

British Thoracic Society cautions that a recent study links paracetamol, an

acetaminophen based drug similar to tylenol to childhood asthma when used

by the mother in late pregnancy.(5)

The central nervous system and scores of factors in the immune system work

synergistically to achieve optimum immune function. What affects one

affects the other. Dr. points to evidence that acetaminophen is an

immunosuppresive agent. In highly technical language, he describes the

complex activities launched by the immune system and the many signals

relayed to control centres in the brain when the body is fighting

pathogenic organisms. The activation of pyrogens stimulates the rise of

fever and " production of various cytokines (immune cells) from organs in

the viscera (gut) " - the gut being the primary and largest immune organ of

the body. Key signals carried along the vagus nerve which connects the

gut/brain immune pathways, and which are normally mediated by

prostaglandins, can be blocked by antipyretics like acetaminophen, thereby

derailing the complex sequences of immune signals that flow between the gut

and the brain. (4)

Dr. postulates that the blockage of fever with antipyretics, whether

induced by infections or vaccinations, interferes with normal immunological

development in the brain, leading to neurodevelopmental disorders in

certain genetically and immunologically disposed individuals. The effects

may occur in utero or at a very young age when the immune system is rapidly

developing. (4)

, President of CHILDSCREEN www.childscreen.org herself a mother

of autistic children, predicts that these findings will not be popular with

mainstream medicine and are " potentially a public relations time bomb " .

Searching for advice on fevers and vaccine reactions on the internet,

Blanco found that the majority advise, 'If your child has a fever during a

reaction to a vaccine, give them acetaminophen'.

" This all too common advice may actually cause autism. However, if Dr.

' groundbreaking theory proves true, it could be the means of saving

thousands of children from becoming autistic. "

Currently, a tremendous amount of fear is being whipped up over the

outbreak of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) in this country.

Health officials are in an uproar, even hinting that this may be the " Big

One " - the pandemic they've been anticipating for years, even though it's

not influenza. Draconian quarantine measures are being implemented, and

some sources are speculating whether this is a training exercise to test

the population's willingness to submit to quarantine in preparation for

biowarfare attack. To date there has been no definitive identification of

the pathogen, although there is speculation that it is a form of corona

virus, the family of viruses found in the common cold. At one point it was

thought it might be related to the paramyxo virus which is related to

measles and canine distemper -there's even speculation that chlamydia could

be involved. The measles virus has been mutating and its footprint

identified in some nasty cases of encephalitis and respiratory infections

in Asia in recent years. Already plans are rolling to start vaccine

development which is surprising since the virus or viral combination is yet

to be identified.

Early reports described SARS as beginning with a dry cough that keeps

getting worse, and that some people get headache, body ache, a

" skyrocketing fever or blotchy rash on their bodies " , and as illnesses go,

this one seems fairly " vicious " . Treatment? People are given a " battery of

drugs - cocktails of antibiotics and antiviral medications " .(6) They're

probably getting strong doses of fever suppressants as well……which has left

me wondering whether antipyretics diminished the immune capabilities of

those who have died from SARS. Is this one of those diseases that needs a

high fever to rally the immune system to optimal output? Are the aggressive

medical treatments actually creating a higher risk of death?

Homeopathic and Naturopathic healing modalities have a long and trusted

history in the prevention and treatment of epidemic diseases. One of the

greatest antivirals known is vitamin C, which has been used with stupendous

success in both the prevention and treatment of infectious diseases. Highly

effective treatment protocols have been developed by administering

ascorbates of vitamin C intravenously in critical situations and are

documented in medical literature and accessible through Dr.

Cathcart's website with links to Dr. Klenner, and Linus ing. (7)

Intravenous vitamin C should be available for every patient facing acute

and critical illnesses, but the current medical monopoly blocks access to

this simple and highly effective treatment.

Writes health activist Croft Woodruff, " In the spring of 2000 I referred a

young relative, who was suffering from an acute case of mononucleosis, to a

medical doctor who administered four separate intravenous injections of

vitamin C as sodium ascorbate over as many days. The results were quite

dramatic. The patient recovered completely, albeit with a newly acquired

respect for the power of vitamin C as a healing agent. "

Our mistrust of natural processes, and reliance on drug oriented medicine

has obscured our understanding of the importance of childhood illnesses and

the necessity of fever as a vital aspect of the maturation of the immune

system enabling a strong & resilient foundation of health to evolve. When

we discard the old fears and lift the veil of ignorance, we are then

empowered to see with our innate intelligence, the real picture unfolding

in front of us - and recognize that the artificial manipulation of

children's immune systems, via mass vaccination programs, indiscriminate

use of antipyretics and antibiotics, rather than protecting, is threatening

their health - their future.

The encouraging and wise words of Dr. Incao may help us shed old fears and

embrace a new relationship to Nature - " Every childhood inflammation, every

cold, sore throat, earache, fever and rash is a healing crisis and a

cleansing process, a strong effort by the human spirit to remodel the body,

to make it a more suitable dwelling. Anthroposophic and homeopathic

remedies aid and promote this cleansing process and help the illness to

work its way out of the body so that healing can occur. " (8) In a personal

conversation recently, Dr. Incao reminded me that - " It takes a while to

free our mind from the imprisonment, and our need to adhere to political

correctness for fear of being judged radical. Illness is part of life. It

is not alien or abnormal and has to be accepted as a part of life. Every

breakdown is a spiritual growth opportunity. We need to learn how to deal

with and work through it - this is part of the new paradigm. "

References

Health Canada Advisory, Feb. 13/2003: www.hc-sc.gc.ca/english/iyh/

Philip Incao, M.D. - excerpt from a talk given at NVIC conference 2000

Mendelsohn, M.D. How To Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your

Docotor.

R. , M.D.-Is Fever Suppression Involved In The Etiology Of

Autism And Neurodevelopmental Disorders? " http://autism.rollingdigital.com

5. Press Release, British Thoracic Society (BTS), 28/10/2002

http://www.brit-thoracic.org.uk/admin/action.lasso?-database=btsnews & -layout

=cgi & - response=news_detail.html & -op=eq & id=209 & -search

The Globe & Mail, Mar.17/03 -Cause of Deadly Pneumonia Still Eludes

Scientists

7 Dr. Cathcart MD: at: http://www.orthomed.com/

8 Philip Incao, M.D. Chapter on How To Treat Childhood Illnesses, pge. 61;

The Vaccination Dilemma, and personal communication, April, 2003

Sources of Complimentary and Alternative Healing Modalities:

-Fever in children: A Blessing in Disguise, by B White, M.D. and

Sunny Mavor, Mothering Magazine, Issue 95, July/August, 1999, available on

line at:www.mothering.com

-Sheri Nakken website - great links to homeopathic sources of information

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm.

-Alternatives & Antidotes to Infectious Diseases - Year end VRAN

Newsletter, 2001, lists many alternative healing modalities - available

electronically at: info@...

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EXTRACTS FROM MEDICAL LITERATURE: TYLENOL, PARACETAMOL, IBUPROFEN etc.

Compiled by

Could the increase in all forms of meningitis and other infectious disease

complications and deaths be because for the last 40+ years, the first thing

parents do at the slightest sign of temperature is push paracetamol? I

believe so, because what you weren't told was this:

" Not all fevers need to be treated but many physicians do so to relieve

parental concern. " (Eur J Ped 1994 Jun; 153 (6): 394-402)

" An elevation in temperature following bacterial infection results in a

significant increase in host survival " (Science 1975 Apr 11; 188 (4184):

166-8)

" Many components of the nonspecific host defence response to infection such

as leukocyte mobility, lymphocyte transformation, and the effects of

interferon, appear to be enhanced by elevations in temperature that

simulate moderate fevers. In addition, some evidence indicates that a fever

in conjunction with the changes in plasma iron levels known to occur during

infections is a synergistic host defence response. " (Pediatrics 1980, No:

66 (5) : 720 - 723)

" Parental fever phobia and its correlates...surprising, higher

socioeconomic status was not associated with a lesser degree of fever

phobia...undue fear and overly aggressive treatment of fever are epidemic

among parents of infants and young children, even among the highly educated

and well-to-do. considerable effort will be required on the part of

pediatricians and other child health workers to reeducate parents about the

definition, consequences and appropriate treatment of fever. " (Pediatrics

1985 June;75 (6) 1110-1113)

" There is no convincing evidence that naturally occuring fevers are

harmful. In contrast, animal studies have shown that fever helps animals to

survive and infection whereas antipyretic increases mortality. Moreover

there is considerable in vitro evidence that a variety of human

immunological defences function better at febrile temperatures than at

normal one. " (The Lancet, Volume 337, March 9, 1991)

" Many cytokines are endogenous mediators of fever including interleukin

(IL) -, 1 beta, IL-6 and others. Tumor necrosis factor-alpha may be both an

endogenous pyrogen and an endogenous antipyretic or cryogen. "

(Neuroimmunomodulation 1995 Jul-Aug; 2 (4):216-223)

" There is overwhelming evidence in favor of fever being an adaptive host

response to infection... as such, it is probable that the use of

antipyretic/anti-inflammatory/analgesic drugs, when they lead to

suppression of the fever, result in increased morbidity and mortality

during most infections; this morbidity and mortality may not be apparent to

most health care workers... " Infect Dis Clin North Am 1996 Mar;10 (1) : 1-20.)

Acetaminophen can induce pneumonia...'These finding suggest that allergic

mechanism was involved in the pathogenesis of the pneumonitis. Underlying

immunological disorders may have enhanced the occurrence. " Nihon Kyobu

Shikkan Gakkai Sasshi 1997 Sep; 35 (9) 974-9) There are other reports of

this as well...

" the results suggest that lung disease (rheumatoid lung) associated with

collagen vascular diseases may be exacerbated by drug-induced

(acetaminophen) pneumonitis. " Nihon Kyobu Shikkan Gakkai Sasshi 1997 Oct;

35 (10) 1113-1118)

" Despite our lack of knowledge about its therapeutic mechanism, it has been

claimed to be a safe drug, especially for children... paracetamol syrup

(presumably for children) is extensively prescribed in large

volumes...There is mounting evidence that paracetamol is not the benign

drug that it was formally thought to be... We would question the whole

rationale of prescribing the drug in near epidemic proportions. If it is to

be used as a placebo, then it is a very dangerous placebo... The whole

place of paracetamol prescribing for children has been questioned. While

there is little concern about its use in the short term as an analgesic,

there is considerable controversy over its use as an antipyretic....there

is little evidence to support the use of paracetamol to treat fever in

patients without heart or lung disease. Paracetamol may decrease antibody

response to infection and increase morbidity and mortality in severe

infections...too many parents and health workers think that fever is bad

and needs to be suppressed by paracetamol when, indeed, moderate fever may

improve the immune response...the use of paracetamol in children with acute

infection did not result in an improvement in mood, comfort, appetite or

fluid intake. " (Family Practice, Volume 13, No 2, 1996 pgs 179 - 181)

" Fever is rarely harmful. Only extremely high fevers of 42.2C or 108 F or

higher have been known to cause brain damage. Only fevers of 40.5C or 105F

and higher need immediate attention, mainly because they are a clue that a

serious infection could be present " (such as meningitis) (Sunday Star

Times, May 3, 1998, C3) doctor's column.

" Paracetamol has no antipyretic benefits over mechanical antipyreses alone

in ..malaria. Moreover, paracetamol prolongs parasite clearance time,

possible by decreased production of TNF and oxygen radicals. " (Lancet

1997;350:704-709)

" The data suggest that frequent administration of antipyretics to children

with infectious disease may lead to a worsening of their illness. " (Acta

Paed. Jpn 1994 Aug;36 (4) 375-378)

" Fever is an important indicator of disease and should not be routinely

suppressed by antipyretics...fever may actually benefit the host defense

mechanism...fever is short-lived and causes only minor discomfort...routine

antipyretic therapy should be avoided byt may be necessary in individual

patients with cardiovascular or neurologic disorders. " (Infect Dis Clin

North Am 1996 Mar;10 (1) 211-216)

" Studies of bacterial and viral-infected animals have shown that moderate

fevers decrease morbidity and increase survival rate " (Yale J Biol Med 1986

Mar-April; 59 (2) : 89-95)

" Antipyretic drugs are effective in diminishing fever, but have significant

side effects and may suppress signs of ongoing infections " (Arch Intern Med

1990, Aug; 150 (8): 1589-1597)

Meningococcal Disease: " use of analgesics were associated with

disease...analgesic use was defined as analgesics taken in the past 2

weeks, excluding, for cases, those taken for identified early symptoms of

meningococcal disease. These analgesics were predominantly acetaminophen

products......because analgesics showed a stronger relationship with

meningococcal disease, the use of analgesics may be a better measure of

more severe illness than reported individual symptoms....we cannot exclude

the possibility that acetaminophen use itself is a risk factor for

meningococcal disease " (Ped Infec Dis, Oct 2000, Vol 19, No 10, 983-990)

" Antipyretics prolong illness in patients with Influenza A.... The duration

of illness was significantly prolonged from 5 days(without) to 8 1/2 days

(with). Pharmacotherapy 2000, 20: 417-422) Take two aspirin, prolong the

flu - 2 January 2001 Anne Burke, HealthScout Reporter (also reported by

Reuters medical news...) " Taking aspirin or Tylenol for the flu actually

prolongs the illness by up to 3 1/2 days, say researchers at the University

of land. That is because fever may be the body's natural way of

fighting an infection and taking aspirin or acetaminophen - the generic

name for products such as Tylenol - may interefere with the process. " You

are messing with Mother Nature, " Says Dr Leland Rickman, an associate

clinical professor of medicine at the University of California San Diego.

" An elevated temperature may actually help the body fight the infection

quicker or better than if you don't have a fever. " " Whatever you do, don't

give aspirin or Tylenol to children who have the flu or any other viral

illness " , Rickman said:

" These results suggest that the systematic suppression of fever may not be

useful in patients without severe cranial trauma or significant hypoxemia.

Letting fever take its natural course does not seem to harm patients with

systemic inflammatory response syndrome, or influence the discomfort level

AND MAY SAVE COSTS. " (wow!!!) (Arch Intern Med 2001, Jan 8; 161 (1) 121-123)

Chickenpox treated with Tylenol/Ibuprofen provokes bacterial skin

infections into fulminant necrotising fasciitis (Pediatr I(Pediatrics Vol

103, No 4, April 1999, 783-784 and 785-790) (Infect Med 1999 16 (5):307)

Just two of many references for antipyretic induced complications of

chickenpox. (In MMWR - May 15, 1998, Vol 47 No 18. All cases of Varicella

related deaths were treated with antipyretics. No causal association was

investigated or ascribed. The " solution " to the problem was considered to

be mandatory vaccination.)

- " What you do as a parent, is your choice. Make sure that it

is an " informed " choice. Get the articles referenced, do a med-line search

- retrieve any others. READ the whole articles. Give them to your doctor to

read, and discuss them with him/her. Most importantly, if you feel your

child has an immunodeficiency, get your child tested so that you know what

you are dealing with. How a child handles any infectious disease is

dependant upon the immune system inherited, nutritional status, life-style,

environment and resultant stresses and how the child reacts to them. The

choice is yours. "

With appreciation to and The Immunization Awareness Society,

New Zealand for their permission to reprint this review, published in WAVES

- Vol. 14, No. 4, 2002

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[Guest guest]

Ok, so now after reading this i have another question...my son has

been taking tylenol and motrin every 4-6 hours for 2 days, will him

taking those for this long cause problems? I read below about liver

problems? Maybe i misread.

>

> I will share some articles now that have to do with fevers - just

because

> this info is so important - even if you are not vaccinating you will

come

> across fevers during illness and so I thought I'd include this

information

> at this point

>

> SHARE THIS WITH everyone you know!

>

> Sheri

>

> http://64.41.99.118/vran/news_art/articles/fear_of_fever.htm

>

> IS FEAR OF FEVER HURTING OUR CHILDREN?

>

> By Edda West - VRAN Newsletter January-March, 2003

> 2003 Vaccination Risk Awareness Network Inc. CANADA

>

> As paradigms go in the world of disease management, there is none more

> deeply ingrained than the fear driven belief that without

vaccinations we

> are doomed to attack from legions of killer diseases. It's shadow

partner,

> " fear of fever " compels us to suppress fever whenever it arises and

insures

> our captivity to monopoly, sickness oriented medicine. The

> medical/pharmaceutical empire flogs us with these tactics,

imprinting fear

> in the collective psyche, the favourite tool with which they

dominate the

> masses and usher us down the slippery slope of health breakdown and drug

> dependency.

>

> Vaccinations and fever suppressants, along with the overuse of

antibiotics

> and exposure to multiple chemical contaminants in the environment,

are at

> the root of the decline in children's health and vitality,

manifesting at

> large in the disablement of immune function, neurological function, and

> upsurge of chronic diseases in large segments of society today.

Children in

> particular have been hit hard as they are the most vulnerable members of

> society. New evidence is now emerging that fever suppressant drugs

may be

> another contributing factor to the explosive epidemic of

neurodevelopmental

> disorders like autism.

>

> As loving and caring parents, we naturally want to help our children

feel

> better when the inevitable fevers, flus, colds and various illnesses

arise

> in childhood. Many will reach for popular over-the-counter remedies to

> suppress fever and alleviate symptoms in the belief that these

products are

> reliable, effective, and safe. But how safe are they really? And

what are

> the risks when fever is suppressed and symptoms masked? Does fever

have a

> critical function in fighting sickness that we have lost sight of?

>

> There is plenty of scientific evidence validating the benefits of

fever in

> fighting viral/bacterial inflammations and it's important role in the

> healing process. Fever increases survival rate during infectious

diseases -

> basic information that has yet to reach the majority of people who

remain

> misinformed and misled by pharmaceutical and medical propaganda

which still

> shamelessly advocates the use of antipyretic drugs at the first sign of

> fever. The myth that untreated fevers will lead to seizures and brain

> damage is perpetuated ad nauseam. Fever is maligned, misunderstood

and seen

> as an enemy to be feared rather than an ally that signals the immune

system

> gearing up for action.

>

> Aspirin was once commonly used to suppress fever until it was linked to

> Reye's syndrome when given to children with viral infections like

influenza

> and chickenpox. Reye's syndrome is an often fatal disease affecting the

> brain and liver, a primary reason doctors switched to acetaminophen,

which

> we now know to be the major cause of liver failure. One disaster after

> another!

>

> Acetaminophen is such a common ingredient used in both

over-the-counter and

> prescription medications, people may be unaware of its presence in

the many

> popular brands of fever, pain, colds and flu medications. Health Canada

> recently issued an alert cautioning that the overuse of these

> over-the-counter remedies can lead to serious liver toxicity and death.

>

> " Parents should be especially cautious when giving children any products

> containing acetaminophen. For example, the parent of a child with a

> flu-like illness may use one product to treat the child's fever and

another

> to treat a runny nose, without realizing that both products contain the

> same ingredients. A recently published article identified acetaminophen

> overdose as the number one cause of acute liver failure in the US,

and most

> of these overdoses were unintentional. Often, several preparations

of the

> same brand (e.g. Tylenol Pain and Tylenol Sinus) or several

medications for

> the same symptoms (e.g. Tylenol Cold, Neo-Citran and Sinutab) are

found in

> the same household and, when used together, can result in an

overdose. " (1)

>

> It is important to understand that fever is not a disease, but rather a

> symptom of an illness. Controversies surrounding the management of fever

> cause enormous anxiety in parents, often resulting in a knee-jerk, fear

> based reaction to kill the fever with drugs. As long as we remain

captive

> to the medical myth that nature made a mistake in causing fever to arise

> during illness, our children will be put at risk. There is an

urgency for

> us to re-examine our basic assumptions about the nature of fever and its

> evolutionary role in the survival of the species.

>

> High fevers in some diseases like measles and roseola are needed in

order

> to discharge the virus. In a clinical study of 56 children during a

measles

> epidemic in Ghana, Africa in 1967, it was standard practice to treat

every

> case of measles with sedatives, antipyretics like aspirin and tylenol,

> cough suppressants, and also as needed with antibiotics. In the

first half

> of the epidemic, 35% of the children died. But the treating doctors also

> observed that the children who survived were usually the ones who had

> higher fevers and more severe rashes than the ones who died.

Although the

> ones who died seemed less sick than the survivors at the beginning

of the

> illness, they then later got pneumonia and died.

>

> At a vaccine risk conference in 2000, Dr. Philip Incao cited this

study as

> an example of the vital role of fever. " The doctors began to think

that the

> higher fevers and rash helped clear the measles virus from the body and

> enhanced survival. And so half way through this measles epidemic, the

> doctors revised their treatment and gave no sedatives, no aspirin or

> tylenol, nor cough suppressants, but still gave antibiotics,

antimalarials

> and blood transfusions if needed. In this group, also of 56

children, only

> 7% died compared to 35% in the first group. This is a dramatic

> demonstration, and there are many others, of the vitally important basic

> principle that it is dangerous to suppress an inflammatory discharge. "

>

> " Hippocrates recognized this over two thousand years ago. In any

> inflammatory infectious disease, what is discharged out of the body

can be

> frightening to look at, but that's not what kills us. What can kill us

> comes from the toxic effects of what's left inside the body and

what's not

> being discharged. "

>

> " What I read in this study twenty years ago confirmed what I

experienced in

> my own practice, that the children who produced higher fevers and strong

> rashes, and good discharges of mucous and pus, were healthier and more

> robust and had stronger immune systems than the children who

produced a low

> intensity of these symptoms. These robust children in my practice, who

> vigorously externalized and healed their infections spontaneously, often

> without antibiotics, had had little or no antibiotics, or

antipyretics, or

> vaccinations in their lives. And the other children who had had all

their

> vaccinations, and lots of antipyretics, and antibiotics - who had

had a lot

> of suppressive, internalizing medical treatments, these children

never got

> high fevers. And these children were the ones who were more likely

to have

> allergies and autoimmune problems. " (2)

>

>

> (top)

> The pervasive belief that fever is dangerous and must be suppressed

> disregards the scientific evidence demonstrating its beneficial role in

> inflammatory diseases. The immune system depends on the essential

role of

> fever to accomplish myriad tasks when gearing up to fight

infections. New

> Zealand researcher has assembled an impressive list of

> citations from medical literature to prove this point. We are

grateful for

> her work, and include these excerpts as an addendum to this article.

>

> " Doctors do a great disservice to you and your child when they prescribe

> drugs to reduce fever " says Dr. Mendelsohn, pediatrician and

author

> of How To Raise A Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor. " Fever

phobia is a

> disease of pediatricians, not parents, and to the extent that

parents are

> victimized by it, doctors are at fault. " Parents are left to fear that

> their child's temperature will keep rising unless measures are taken to

> control it . " They don't tell you that reducing his temperature will do

> nothing to make the patient well or that our bodies have a built-in

> mechanism, not fully explained, that will prevent an infection-induced

> temperature from reaching 106 degrees F (41 degrees C) (3)

>

> Mendelsohn emphasizes that, " Only in the case of heatstroke,

poisoning, or

> other externally caused fevers is this bodily mechanism overwhelmed and

> inoperative. " This would also include drug reactions and overdose.

>

> Fever: Your Body's Defense Against Disease is the title of chapter 7

in Dr.

> Mendeloshn's book, and undoubtedly one of the best guidelines ever

written

> for parents seeking a balanced and accurate perspective of the

beneficial

> and defensive role of fevers in childhood. He condemns the useless and

> dangerous practice of fever suppression through drugs. " If your child

> contracts an infection, the fever that accompanies it is a blessing,

not a

> curse. The spontaneous release of pyrogens cause the body temperature to

> rise, a natural defense mechanism needed to fight disease. The

presence of

> fever tells you that the repair mechanisms of the body have gone

into high

> gear. It is something to rejoice over, not to fear. " (3)

>

> He counters the myth that high fever causes seizures. " Many parents are

> fearful of fevers because they have witnessed a convulsive seizure and

> believe that their child may experience one if his temperature is

allowed

> to rise too high. High fevers do not cause convulsions. They result when

> the temperature rises at an extremely rapid rate and are relatively

> uncommon. It is estimated that only 4 percent of children with high

fever

> experience fever related convulsions. There is no evidence that

those who

> do have them suffer any serious aftereffects as a result. " (3)

>

> " Fevers produced by viral or bacterial infections will not cause brain

> damage or permanent physical harm. Fevers are a common symptom in

children

> and are not an indication of serious illness unless associated with

major

> changes in appearance and behavior or other additional symptoms such as

> respiratory difficulty, extreme listlessness or loss of

consciousness. The

> height of a fever is not a measure of the severity of an illness. " (3)

>

> Numerous studies have shown that fever enhances the immune response by

> increasing mobility and activity of white cells called leucocytes which

> disable bacteria and viruses and remove damaged tissue from the body. A

> complex sequence of immune activities is activated by fever.

Antiviral and

> antibacterial properties of interferon are also increased with

fever. With

> a rise in temperature, iron is removed from the blood and stored in the

> liver, further disabling the rate at which bacteria can multiply.

Studies

> of artificially induced fevers in laboratory animals infected with

disease

> have shown that elevated temperatures enhance survival, while lowered

> temperatures increase the death rate. (4)

>

> There is an exception however. When fever arises in a newborn baby

in the

> first few weeks of life, there is a heightened level of caution.

" Newborn

> babies may suffer from infections related to obstetrical interventions

> during delivery, prenatal or hereditary conditions, aspiration pneumonia

> from amniotic fluid forced into the lungs because of overmedication

of the

> mother during delivery…and exposure to the legion of germs that

abound in

> the hospital itself " , writes Dr. Mendelsohn who advises parents to seek

> medical help if a baby runs a fever in the first two months of life.

> Breastfeeding plays a critical role in preventing infections in infants.

> Breastfed babies are superbly protected from a vast range of

pathogens and

> have a lesser risk of developing fevers in the newborn phase of life.

>

> It is known that the blood-brain barrier is not intact until at least 6

> weeks of life. This is why fever in very young infants, raises a big

> caution flag because of the ease with which pathogens,

viruses/bacteria can

> gain access to the baby's brain/nervous system creating a higher

risk for

> meningitis. When medical help is sought for a feverish infant under

6 weeks

> of age, it may lead to invasive procedures like spinal taps,

antibiotics,

> steroids and fever suppressants, which are also not without risk. If a

> parent disagrees with the course of treatment, they are likely to

encounter

> hostility from the medical staff, as recently happened to a Boise area

> mother who lost custody of her 5 week old baby when she took her to the

> local ER for a check up.

>

> The baby had been fussy and feverish all day, and the mother wanted

to make

> sure everything was alright. She consented to blood tests, urinalysis,

> x-ray and I.V., but declined the spinal tap and wanted to wait for

what the

> test results might show. She calculated that there was about a 95%

chance

> her baby did not have meningitis and likely had the same cold the family

> had just gotten over. Her decision to forgo the spinal tap and

antibiotics

> prompted the hospital to call Child Protective Services and the baby was

> taken from her. The doctor felt the child's life was in danger

because the

> mother refused " life-saving treatment " , despite the fact that the

baby had

> improved significantly after some hours on I.V..

>

> It would seem prudent to protect newborn infants during this early,

> vulnerable time from exposure to any situation, or procedures that would

> put them at risk of developing fevers. Yet, the majority of newborns and

> young infants are vaccinated in the first 6-8 weeks of life. Doctors

know

> full well that the injection of vaccine cocktails containing a brew of

> viral/bacterial particles, foreign proteins, adjuvants and chemical

> preservatives will likely precipitate a feverish reaction in a large

number

> of babies. They even anticipate this, and often advise parents to

dose the

> child with " baby tylenol " prior to going in for the shot(s). And in the

> aftermath of vaccination, the standard reassurance given to worried

parents

> calling the doctor's office with a fussy, feverish newly vaccinated

baby,

> is " It's perfectly normal - nothing to worry about. Just give the

baby some

> tylenol. "

>

> In their determination to initiate vaccine agendas as soon as possible,

> there is a curious and willful blindness amongst doctors in the vaccine

> establishment. Why is there no concern about the impact of vaccine

induced

> fevers in infants during this critical early period of life? Why is

it that

> if a spontaneous fever arises in the newborn, it is viewed as a

potential

> medical emergency, but if the fever is vaccine induced, it is

brushed off

> as " normal " and parents are advised to suppress it with antipyretics?

>

> The medical mindset that imposes vaccine schedules in early infancy

> violates a fundamental precautionary principle which disregards the

> fragility of the baby and the vulnerability of the immature

brain/nervous

> system/immune system. Just look at the double standard operative

here. On

> the one hand parents are cautioned to seek immediate medical help if

fever

> develops in the newborn, yet are heavily pressured to submit their

babies

> to multiple vaccines without regard for the fact that these

injections are

> the primary cause of fever in young infants. Fever is knowingly induced

> during these early weeks of life, when all common sense and instinct

should

> prevail to protect the infant from this outcome.

>

> It is not only the vaccine induced fevers which raise a caution.

While the

> fever signals the infant's immune response to the artificially implanted

> viral/bacterial and chemical agents he/she is forced to cope with, the

> bigger question is - what deeper affect do these toxic substances

have, now

> that they have access to the blood stream, vital organs and the immature

> brain/nervous system? And what additional insult to injury occurs

when the

> resulting fever is then manipulated with antipyretic drugs

preventing the

> normal mobilization of the immune system?

>

> A new theory regarding a potential cause of autism is currently being

> explored by Dr. R. , M.D., Senior Scientist and

Director of

> the BioMedical Lab at Utah State University. His hypothesis questions

> whether fever suppression is involved in the etiology of autism and

> neurodevelopmental disorders.

>

> Dr. is investigating evidence suggesting that the etiology of

autism

> involves infections of the pregnant mother or of a young child. " Most

> infections result in fever that is routinely controlled with

antipyretics

> such as acetaminophen. The blocking of fever inhibits processes that

> evolved over millions of years to protect against microbial attack.

Immune

> mechanisms in the central nervous system are part of this protective

> process. " (4)

>

>

> (top)

> " Pathological infections, including vaccinations, commonly result in

fever.

> For example, 50-60% of young children develop fever after receiving MMR

> vaccine " , and are routinely treated with fever suppressants. Many

parents

> report their children slipped into autism following MMR shots. Dr.

> has also found that " 43% of mothers with an autistic child experienced

> upper respiratory tract, influenza-like, urinary or vaginal infections

> during pregnancy compared to only 26% of control mothers " ,

suggesting that

> in some cases autism may be linked to the " sequella of pathogenic

> infections, especially those of viral origin. " (4)

>

> Suppressing fever during pregnancy and labour may effect the fetus as

> research has shown that acetaminophen " significantly decreased

maternal and

> fetal serum IL-6 " , an immune factor the infant is incapable of

producing at

> birth and depends on from the mother.(4) A press release (Oct./02)

from the

> British Thoracic Society cautions that a recent study links

paracetamol, an

> acetaminophen based drug similar to tylenol to childhood asthma when

used

> by the mother in late pregnancy.(5)

>

> The central nervous system and scores of factors in the immune

system work

> synergistically to achieve optimum immune function. What affects one

> affects the other. Dr. points to evidence that acetaminophen

is an

> immunosuppresive agent. In highly technical language, he describes the

> complex activities launched by the immune system and the many signals

> relayed to control centres in the brain when the body is fighting

> pathogenic organisms. The activation of pyrogens stimulates the rise of

> fever and " production of various cytokines (immune cells) from organs in

> the viscera (gut) " - the gut being the primary and largest immune

organ of

> the body. Key signals carried along the vagus nerve which connects the

> gut/brain immune pathways, and which are normally mediated by

> prostaglandins, can be blocked by antipyretics like acetaminophen,

thereby

> derailing the complex sequences of immune signals that flow between

the gut

> and the brain. (4)

>

> Dr. postulates that the blockage of fever with antipyretics,

whether

> induced by infections or vaccinations, interferes with normal

immunological

> development in the brain, leading to neurodevelopmental disorders in

> certain genetically and immunologically disposed individuals. The

effects

> may occur in utero or at a very young age when the immune system is

rapidly

> developing. (4)

>

> , President of CHILDSCREEN www.childscreen.org herself a

mother

> of autistic children, predicts that these findings will not be

popular with

> mainstream medicine and are " potentially a public relations time bomb " .

> Searching for advice on fevers and vaccine reactions on the internet,

> Blanco found that the majority advise, 'If your child has a fever

during a

> reaction to a vaccine, give them acetaminophen'.

> " This all too common advice may actually cause autism. However, if Dr.

> ' groundbreaking theory proves true, it could be the means of

saving

> thousands of children from becoming autistic. "

>

> Currently, a tremendous amount of fear is being whipped up over the

> outbreak of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) in this country.

> Health officials are in an uproar, even hinting that this may be the

" Big

> One " - the pandemic they've been anticipating for years, even though

it's

> not influenza. Draconian quarantine measures are being implemented, and

> some sources are speculating whether this is a training exercise to test

> the population's willingness to submit to quarantine in preparation for

> biowarfare attack. To date there has been no definitive

identification of

> the pathogen, although there is speculation that it is a form of corona

> virus, the family of viruses found in the common cold. At one point

it was

> thought it might be related to the paramyxo virus which is related to

> measles and canine distemper -there's even speculation that

chlamydia could

> be involved. The measles virus has been mutating and its footprint

> identified in some nasty cases of encephalitis and respiratory

infections

> in Asia in recent years. Already plans are rolling to start vaccine

> development which is surprising since the virus or viral combination

is yet

> to be identified.

>

> Early reports described SARS as beginning with a dry cough that keeps

> getting worse, and that some people get headache, body ache, a

> " skyrocketing fever or blotchy rash on their bodies " , and as

illnesses go,

> this one seems fairly " vicious " . Treatment? People are given a

" battery of

> drugs - cocktails of antibiotics and antiviral medications " .(6) They're

> probably getting strong doses of fever suppressants as well……which

has left

> me wondering whether antipyretics diminished the immune capabilities of

> those who have died from SARS. Is this one of those diseases that

needs a

> high fever to rally the immune system to optimal output? Are the

aggressive

> medical treatments actually creating a higher risk of death?

>

> Homeopathic and Naturopathic healing modalities have a long and trusted

> history in the prevention and treatment of epidemic diseases. One of the

> greatest antivirals known is vitamin C, which has been used with

stupendous

> success in both the prevention and treatment of infectious diseases.

Highly

> effective treatment protocols have been developed by administering

> ascorbates of vitamin C intravenously in critical situations and are

> documented in medical literature and accessible through Dr.

> Cathcart's website with links to Dr. Klenner, and Linus ing. (7)

> Intravenous vitamin C should be available for every patient facing acute

> and critical illnesses, but the current medical monopoly blocks

access to

> this simple and highly effective treatment.

>

> Writes health activist Croft Woodruff, " In the spring of 2000 I

referred a

> young relative, who was suffering from an acute case of

mononucleosis, to a

> medical doctor who administered four separate intravenous injections of

> vitamin C as sodium ascorbate over as many days. The results were quite

> dramatic. The patient recovered completely, albeit with a newly acquired

> respect for the power of vitamin C as a healing agent. "

>

> Our mistrust of natural processes, and reliance on drug oriented

medicine

> has obscured our understanding of the importance of childhood

illnesses and

> the necessity of fever as a vital aspect of the maturation of the immune

> system enabling a strong & resilient foundation of health to evolve.

When

> we discard the old fears and lift the veil of ignorance, we are then

> empowered to see with our innate intelligence, the real picture

unfolding

> in front of us - and recognize that the artificial manipulation of

> children's immune systems, via mass vaccination programs, indiscriminate

> use of antipyretics and antibiotics, rather than protecting, is

threatening

> their health - their future.

>

> The encouraging and wise words of Dr. Incao may help us shed old

fears and

> embrace a new relationship to Nature - " Every childhood

inflammation, every

> cold, sore throat, earache, fever and rash is a healing crisis and a

> cleansing process, a strong effort by the human spirit to remodel

the body,

> to make it a more suitable dwelling. Anthroposophic and homeopathic

> remedies aid and promote this cleansing process and help the illness to

> work its way out of the body so that healing can occur. " (8) In a

personal

> conversation recently, Dr. Incao reminded me that - " It takes a

while to

> free our mind from the imprisonment, and our need to adhere to political

> correctness for fear of being judged radical. Illness is part of

life. It

> is not alien or abnormal and has to be accepted as a part of life. Every

> breakdown is a spiritual growth opportunity. We need to learn how to

deal

> with and work through it - this is part of the new paradigm. "

>

>

>

> References

>

> Health Canada Advisory, Feb. 13/2003: www.hc-sc.gc.ca/english/iyh/

> Philip Incao, M.D. - excerpt from a talk given at NVIC conference 2000

> Mendelsohn, M.D. How To Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your

> Docotor.

> R. , M.D.-Is Fever Suppression Involved In The Etiology Of

> Autism And Neurodevelopmental Disorders? "

http://autism.rollingdigital.com

> 5. Press Release, British Thoracic Society (BTS), 28/10/2002

>

http://www.brit-thoracic.org.uk/admin/action.lasso?-database=btsnews & -layout

> =cgi & - response=news_detail.html & -op=eq & id=209 & -search

> The Globe & Mail, Mar.17/03 -Cause of Deadly Pneumonia Still Eludes

> Scientists

> 7 Dr. Cathcart MD: at: http://www.orthomed.com/

> 8 Philip Incao, M.D. Chapter on How To Treat Childhood Illnesses,

pge. 61;

> The Vaccination Dilemma, and personal communication, April, 2003

>

>

> Sources of Complimentary and Alternative Healing Modalities:

>

> -Fever in children: A Blessing in Disguise, by B White, M.D. and

> Sunny Mavor, Mothering Magazine, Issue 95, July/August, 1999,

available on

> line at:www.mothering.com

> -Sheri Nakken website - great links to homeopathic sources of

information

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm.

> -Alternatives & Antidotes to Infectious Diseases - Year end VRAN

> Newsletter, 2001, lists many alternative healing modalities - available

> electronically at: info@...

>

> (top)

> EXTRACTS FROM MEDICAL LITERATURE: TYLENOL, PARACETAMOL, IBUPROFEN etc.

>

> Compiled by

>

> Could the increase in all forms of meningitis and other infectious

disease

> complications and deaths be because for the last 40+ years, the

first thing

> parents do at the slightest sign of temperature is push paracetamol? I

> believe so, because what you weren't told was this:

>

> " Not all fevers need to be treated but many physicians do so to relieve

> parental concern. " (Eur J Ped 1994 Jun; 153 (6): 394-402)

>

> " An elevation in temperature following bacterial infection results in a

> significant increase in host survival " (Science 1975 Apr 11; 188 (4184):

> 166-8)

>

> " Many components of the nonspecific host defence response to

infection such

> as leukocyte mobility, lymphocyte transformation, and the effects of

> interferon, appear to be enhanced by elevations in temperature that

> simulate moderate fevers. In addition, some evidence indicates that

a fever

> in conjunction with the changes in plasma iron levels known to occur

during

> infections is a synergistic host defence response. " (Pediatrics

1980, No:

> 66 (5) : 720 - 723)

>

> " Parental fever phobia and its correlates...surprising, higher

> socioeconomic status was not associated with a lesser degree of fever

> phobia...undue fear and overly aggressive treatment of fever are

epidemic

> among parents of infants and young children, even among the highly

educated

> and well-to-do. considerable effort will be required on the part of

> pediatricians and other child health workers to reeducate parents

about the

> definition, consequences and appropriate treatment of fever. "

(Pediatrics

> 1985 June;75 (6) 1110-1113)

>

> " There is no convincing evidence that naturally occuring fevers are

> harmful. In contrast, animal studies have shown that fever helps

animals to

> survive and infection whereas antipyretic increases mortality. Moreover

> there is considerable in vitro evidence that a variety of human

> immunological defences function better at febrile temperatures than at

> normal one. " (The Lancet, Volume 337, March 9, 1991)

>

> " Many cytokines are endogenous mediators of fever including interleukin

> (IL) -, 1 beta, IL-6 and others. Tumor necrosis factor-alpha may be

both an

> endogenous pyrogen and an endogenous antipyretic or cryogen. "

> (Neuroimmunomodulation 1995 Jul-Aug; 2 (4):216-223)

>

> " There is overwhelming evidence in favor of fever being an adaptive host

> response to infection... as such, it is probable that the use of

> antipyretic/anti-inflammatory/analgesic drugs, when they lead to

> suppression of the fever, result in increased morbidity and mortality

> during most infections; this morbidity and mortality may not be

apparent to

> most health care workers... " Infect Dis Clin North Am 1996 Mar;10

(1) : 1-20.)

>

> Acetaminophen can induce pneumonia...'These finding suggest that

allergic

> mechanism was involved in the pathogenesis of the pneumonitis.

Underlying

> immunological disorders may have enhanced the occurrence. " Nihon Kyobu

> Shikkan Gakkai Sasshi 1997 Sep; 35 (9) 974-9) There are other reports of

> this as well...

>

> " the results suggest that lung disease (rheumatoid lung) associated with

> collagen vascular diseases may be exacerbated by drug-induced

> (acetaminophen) pneumonitis. " Nihon Kyobu Shikkan Gakkai Sasshi 1997

Oct;

> 35 (10) 1113-1118)

>

> " Despite our lack of knowledge about its therapeutic mechanism, it

has been

> claimed to be a safe drug, especially for children... paracetamol syrup

> (presumably for children) is extensively prescribed in large

> volumes...There is mounting evidence that paracetamol is not the benign

> drug that it was formally thought to be... We would question the whole

> rationale of prescribing the drug in near epidemic proportions. If

it is to

> be used as a placebo, then it is a very dangerous placebo... The whole

> place of paracetamol prescribing for children has been questioned. While

> there is little concern about its use in the short term as an analgesic,

> there is considerable controversy over its use as an

antipyretic....there

> is little evidence to support the use of paracetamol to treat fever in

> patients without heart or lung disease. Paracetamol may decrease

antibody

> response to infection and increase morbidity and mortality in severe

> infections...too many parents and health workers think that fever is bad

> and needs to be suppressed by paracetamol when, indeed, moderate

fever may

> improve the immune response...the use of paracetamol in children

with acute

> infection did not result in an improvement in mood, comfort, appetite or

> fluid intake. " (Family Practice, Volume 13, No 2, 1996 pgs 179 - 181)

>

> " Fever is rarely harmful. Only extremely high fevers of 42.2C or 108

F or

> higher have been known to cause brain damage. Only fevers of 40.5C

or 105F

> and higher need immediate attention, mainly because they are a clue

that a

> serious infection could be present " (such as meningitis) (Sunday Star

> Times, May 3, 1998, C3) doctor's column.

>

> " Paracetamol has no antipyretic benefits over mechanical antipyreses

alone

> in ..malaria. Moreover, paracetamol prolongs parasite clearance time,

> possible by decreased production of TNF and oxygen radicals. " (Lancet

> 1997;350:704-709)

>

> " The data suggest that frequent administration of antipyretics to

children

> with infectious disease may lead to a worsening of their illness. " (Acta

> Paed. Jpn 1994 Aug;36 (4) 375-378)

>

> " Fever is an important indicator of disease and should not be routinely

> suppressed by antipyretics...fever may actually benefit the host defense

> mechanism...fever is short-lived and causes only minor

discomfort...routine

> antipyretic therapy should be avoided byt may be necessary in individual

> patients with cardiovascular or neurologic disorders. " (Infect Dis Clin

> North Am 1996 Mar;10 (1) 211-216)

>

> " Studies of bacterial and viral-infected animals have shown that

moderate

> fevers decrease morbidity and increase survival rate " (Yale J Biol

Med 1986

> Mar-April; 59 (2) : 89-95)

>

> " Antipyretic drugs are effective in diminishing fever, but have

significant

> side effects and may suppress signs of ongoing infections " (Arch

Intern Med

> 1990, Aug; 150 (8): 1589-1597)

>

> Meningococcal Disease: " use of analgesics were associated with

> disease...analgesic use was defined as analgesics taken in the past 2

> weeks, excluding, for cases, those taken for identified early

symptoms of

> meningococcal disease. These analgesics were predominantly acetaminophen

> products......because analgesics showed a stronger relationship with

> meningococcal disease, the use of analgesics may be a better measure of

> more severe illness than reported individual symptoms....we cannot

exclude

> the possibility that acetaminophen use itself is a risk factor for

> meningococcal disease " (Ped Infec Dis, Oct 2000, Vol 19, No 10, 983-990)

>

> " Antipyretics prolong illness in patients with Influenza A.... The

duration

> of illness was significantly prolonged from 5 days(without) to 8 1/2

days

> (with). Pharmacotherapy 2000, 20: 417-422) Take two aspirin, prolong the

> flu - 2 January 2001 Anne Burke, HealthScout Reporter (also reported by

> Reuters medical news...) " Taking aspirin or Tylenol for the flu actually

> prolongs the illness by up to 3 1/2 days, say researchers at the

University

> of land. That is because fever may be the body's natural way of

> fighting an infection and taking aspirin or acetaminophen - the generic

> name for products such as Tylenol - may interefere with the process.

" You

> are messing with Mother Nature, " Says Dr Leland Rickman, an associate

> clinical professor of medicine at the University of California San

Diego.

> " An elevated temperature may actually help the body fight the infection

> quicker or better than if you don't have a fever. " " Whatever you do,

don't

> give aspirin or Tylenol to children who have the flu or any other viral

> illness " , Rickman said:

>

> " These results suggest that the systematic suppression of fever may

not be

> useful in patients without severe cranial trauma or significant

hypoxemia.

> Letting fever take its natural course does not seem to harm patients

with

> systemic inflammatory response syndrome, or influence the discomfort

level

> AND MAY SAVE COSTS. " (wow!!!) (Arch Intern Med 2001, Jan 8; 161 (1)

121-123)

>

>

> Chickenpox treated with Tylenol/Ibuprofen provokes bacterial skin

> infections into fulminant necrotising fasciitis (Pediatr

I(Pediatrics Vol

> 103, No 4, April 1999, 783-784 and 785-790) (Infect Med 1999 16 (5):307)

> Just two of many references for antipyretic induced complications of

> chickenpox. (In MMWR - May 15, 1998, Vol 47 No 18. All cases of

Varicella

> related deaths were treated with antipyretics. No causal association was

> investigated or ascribed. The " solution " to the problem was

considered to

> be mandatory vaccination.)

>

> - " What you do as a parent, is your choice. Make sure

that it

> is an " informed " choice. Get the articles referenced, do a med-line

search

> - retrieve any others. READ the whole articles. Give them to your

doctor to

> read, and discuss them with him/her. Most importantly, if you feel your

> child has an immunodeficiency, get your child tested so that you

know what

> you are dealing with. How a child handles any infectious disease is

> dependant upon the immune system inherited, nutritional status,

life-style,

> environment and resultant stresses and how the child reacts to them. The

> choice is yours. "

>

> With appreciation to and The Immunization Awareness

Society,

> New Zealand for their permission to reprint this review, published

in WAVES

> - Vol. 14, No. 4, 2002

>

[Guest guest]

At 04:32 AM 2/17/2008 -0000, you wrote:

>Ok, so now after reading this i have another question...my son has

>been taking tylenol and motrin every 4-6 hours for 2 days, will him

>taking those for this long cause problems? I read below about liver

>problems? Maybe i misread.

Oh my goodness..........please please stop it.

Sheri

>

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[Guest guest]

Forgive me, but why are you mixing Tylenol and motrin? Surely it is either

one or the other?

Sue

- Re: IS FEAR OF FEVER HURTING OUR CHILDREN?

Ok, so now after reading this I have another question...my son has

Been taking Tylenol and motrin every 4-6 hours for 2 days, will him

Taking those for this long cause problems? I read below about liver

Problems? Maybe I misread.

[Guest guest]

I was told once with a feverish 5-yr-old to take that combo (actually Tylenol

and Advil) because they work differently. One is an anti-inflammatory and the

other--Tylenol--works by another route, can't remember what--to kill pain. It

must be standard advice.

Thankfully I ignored it because my son had pneumonia and I took him to the ER he

was so lethargic. They took his blood, and for some reason didn't get the full

results until after we were home and he was better from the antibiotics. The ped

said the tests showed that some 90% of his red blood cells were working at

fighting the infection (can't remember the exact terminology) and that he was

probably septic.

Fat lot of good the Tylenol/Advil would have done for that. Stay away from it.

Winnie

Re: IS FEAR OF FEVER HURTING OUR

> CHILDREN?

>

> Ok, so now after reading this I have another question...my son

> has

> Been taking Tylenol and motrin every 4-6 hours for 2 days, will

> him

> Taking those for this long cause problems? I read below about

> liver

> Problems? Maybe I misread.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree there are other remedies. The belladonna is just my personal guideline,

that along with what you said about listlessness. Behavior is a much more

reliable indicator of illness, in my opinion. I also try to wait out the fever

until my antennae go up.

Winnie

Re: Re: IS FEAR OF FEVER HURTING OUR CHILDREN?

Vaccinations

> At 05:25 AM 2/17/2008 +0000, you wrote:

> >Tylenol is poison. I don't even have it in the house. If you

> still have to

> keep giving it, that's a clue that it hasn't cured what ails

> him. If in

> fact it's the flu (did they actually test for it or make the

> assumption?),the best thing in my experience is homepathic

> oscillococcinum. It's

> probably too late to take that, though.

> >

> >For fevers, I get nervous around 103 deg. or so--depends on how

> the child

> is acting. At that point, I worry about it being bacterial. I give

> homeopathic belladonna and if it doesn't bring the fever down by

> the second

> dose, it has always been bacterial with my kids and I'm off to

> the docs. If

> it's not bacterial, it just plain has to run its course.

> >

> >Winnie

>

> There are many remedies that treat the whole picture, not just a

> fever.And Belladonna is only for certainly fevers with other

> symptoms along with it

>

> I throw very high fevers - 103.5 or so when I am ill and am

> GRATEFUL for

> that as I know my immune system is working well.

>

> Throw away the thermometer!

>

> It doesn't matter if doc says bacterial or viral. The body can

> handle it

> in most cases unless child shows very severe symptoms -

> dehydrated, extreme

> listlessness, pain in neck, etc.

>

> Sheri

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> Voicemail US 530-740-0561

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> http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htmReality of the

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> NEXT CLASSES start by email February 13 & 14

>

>

[Guest guest]

One of my son's friends in preschool had a fever of over 107f. His mother is a

public health nurse. I'm sure he's had every shot and suppressed fevers with

tylenol.

Another girl in his kindergarten class had strep throat then, rubella (what

ever follows it). She was off school for more than 3 weeks. A year later she is

still small, pale and catches every cold going. I was talking to her mother

about how sick she was. Her mom said she lived off store bought popsicles and

she was on antiibiotics and gave her tylenol every 4 hours for weeks, waking her

up at night to make sure she got her dose. Sigh! I can't help but think if they

let her have her fever with out the suppression of drugs she would have been

fine in a much shorter period of time, and healthier today. My son shared a coat

hook area with her and sat with her in class and didn't get sick at all.

Lynda

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, it CAN cause liver damage, you have to be VERY careful about dosing. I

usually hold Tylenol/Motrin off unless my child absolutely can't sleep and

is obviously miserable. Then I give him a dose for bedtime, but not EVER

every 4-6 hours.

[Guest guest]

I have a weak immune system and have a very hard time getting my temp up to get

a good fever going. Colds just hang in there etc. I have to have a really

steaming hot bath and get into bed to " cook the bugs out " .

My hubby used to get the sniffles, sweat it out one night and carry on like

nothing happened the next day. Now he is older and doesn't eat the best of diets

colds are lasting longer and he has less of the fever/sweating happening.

My son gets a fever, usually at night, and is fine the next day or has another

fever the next night and is fine. There were a bunch of sick kids in his class

last year and for the first time in his 6 years he had a fever carry on during

the day. I consulted a homeopath, gave an appropriate remedy, and he's back to

having a fever at night and fine the next day. He hasn't missed any school

since last January/February when his whole class had something or other for a

couple of months. Funny, a lot of them were also vaccinated with 5 year " booster

shots " at that time. Hmmm.

He has not had antibiotics, or vaccines, tylenol etc.

Take care, Lynda

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I throw very high fevers - 103.5 or so when I am ill and am GRATEFUL for

that as I know my immune system is working well.

Throw away the thermometer!

[Guest guest]

The illnesses these days do seem to linger, don't they? Once in a rare while I

was sick as a child, maybe a few colds/sore throats, mumps, chicken pox-- " real "

diseases. I don't remember the constant stomach bugs and bronchitis/asthma

problems at all.

Winnie

Re: IS FEAR OF FEVER HURTING OUR CHILDREN?

Vaccinations

> I have a weak immune system and have a very hard time getting

> my temp up to get a good fever going. Colds just hang in there

> etc. I have to have a really steaming hot bath and get into bed

> to " cook the bugs out " .

> My hubby used to get the sniffles, sweat it out one night and

> carry on like nothing happened the next day. Now he is older and

> doesn't eat the best of diets colds are lasting longer and he

> has less of the fever/sweating happening.

> My son gets a fever, usually at night, and is fine the next day

> or has another fever the next night and is fine. There were a

> bunch of sick kids in his class last year and for the first time

> in his 6 years he had a fever carry on during the day. I

> consulted a homeopath, gave an appropriate remedy, and he's back

> to having a fever at night and fine the next day. He hasn't

> missed any school since last January/February when his whole

> class had something or other for a couple of months. Funny, a

> lot of them were also vaccinated with 5 year " booster shots " at

> that time. Hmmm.

> He has not had antibiotics, or vaccines, tylenol etc.

> Take care, Lynda

>

>

>

>

>

> -----------------------------------------------------------------

> ---------------

>

>

> I throw very high fevers - 103.5 or so when I am ill and am

> GRATEFUL for

> that as I know my immune system is working well.

>

> Throw away the thermometer!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Our immune systems are a lot worse now than they were back when we were younger.

Toxins in our food, water, and environment, drugs, vaccines, caffeine, stress

and poor sleep and relaxation habits have all shot our immune systems. Most of

us do not take care of ourselves like we should and it has an effect on our

immune systems.

Also, with regards to nutrition, our soil is so depleated that those who try to

eat right are still not getting appropriate nutrition. We must take supplements

these days to augment our nutritional intake.

--

Roni Bergerson

Independent Monavie Distributor

Celebrate Good Health with Monavie!

http://www.mymonavie.com/jandrbergerson/

--------- Re: IS FEAR OF FEVER HURTING OUR CHILDREN?

Vaccinations

> I have a weak immune system and have a very hard time getting

> my temp up to get a good fever going. Colds just hang in there

> etc. I have to have a really steaming hot bath and get into bed

> to " cook the bugs out " .

> My hubby used to get the sniffles, sweat it out one night and

> carry on like nothing happened the next day. Now he is older and

> doesn't eat the best of diets colds are lasting longer and he

> has less of the fever/sweating happening.

> My son gets a fever, usually at night, and is fine the next day

> or has another fever the next night and is fine. There were a

> bunch of sick kids in his class last year and for the first time

> in his 6 years he had a fever carry on during the day. I

> consulted a homeopath, gave an appropriate remedy, and he's back

> to having a fever at night and fine the next day. He hasn't

> missed any school since last January/February when his whole

> class had something or other for a couple of months. Funny, a

> lot of them were also vaccinated with 5 year " booster shots " at

> that time. Hmmm.

> He has not had antibiotics, or vaccines, tylenol etc.

> Take care, Lynda

>

>

>

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------

> ---------------

>

>

> I throw very high fevers - 103.5 or so when I am ill and am

> GRATEFUL for

> that as I know my immune system is working well.

>

> Throw away the thermometer!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We just lost a 3rd grader in our district to meningococcal meningitis. The poor

kid went fast. He was fine one day and terribly sick the next with neck, leg and

back pain followed by 106 degree fever. By the time they got him to the hospital

it was just too late. I received an email from a friend saying the rash can be

tested with a glass tumbler. If you press the glass against the skin and the

rash doesn't change color or shape, it means the infecton has reached the blood.

Any truth to this test?................Anita

Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: I throw very high fevers - 103.5 or

so when I am ill and am GRATEFUL for

that as I know my immune system is working well.

Throw away the thermometer!

It doesn't matter if doc says bacterial or viral. The body can handle it

in most cases unless child shows very severe symptoms - dehydrated, extreme

listlessness, pain in neck, etc.

Sheri

---------------------------------

Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

[Guest guest]

Anita, check out this link: http://www.patient.co.UK/showdoc/23069082/

" Rash - commonly occurs, but not always

A typical rash is common with meningococcal infection. The rash is red or

purple. Small spots develop at first and may occur in groups anywhere on the

body. They often grow to become blotchy and look like little bruises. One or

two may develop at first, but many may then appear in different parts of the

body. The spots / blotches do not fade when pressed (unlike many other

rashes). To check for this do the tumbler test. Place a clear glass

(tumbler) firmly on one of the spots or blotches. If the spot / blotch does

not fade and you can still see it through the glass, get medical help

immediately.

The rash is a sign of septicaemia. It may not occur with meningitis alone. "

HTH.

Sue x

-- Re: Re: IS FEAR OF FEVER HURTING OUR CHILDREN?

We just lost a 3rd grader in our district to meningococcal meningitis. The

poor kid went fast. He was fine one day and terribly sick the next with neck

leg and back pain followed by 106 degree fever. By the time they got him to

the hospital it was just too late. I received an email from a friend saying

the rash can be tested with a glass tumbler. If you press the glass against

the skin and the rash doesn't change color or shape, it means the infecton

has reached the blood. Any truth to this test?................Anita

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Sue.............Anita

Sue <mum2mishka@...> wrote: Anita, check out this link:

http://www.patient.co.UK/showdoc/23069082/

" Rash - commonly occurs, but not always

A typical rash is common with meningococcal infection. The rash is red or

purple. Small spots develop at first and may occur in groups anywhere on the

body. They often grow to become blotchy and look like little bruises. One or

two may develop at first, but many may then appear in different parts of the

body. The spots / blotches do not fade when pressed (unlike many other

rashes). To check for this do the tumbler test. Place a clear glass

(tumbler) firmly on one of the spots or blotches. If the spot / blotch does

not fade and you can still see it through the glass, get medical help

immediately.

The rash is a sign of septicaemia. It may not occur with meningitis alone. "

HTH.

Sue x

-- Re: Re: IS FEAR OF FEVER HURTING OUR CHILDREN?

We just lost a 3rd grader in our district to meningococcal meningitis. The

poor kid went fast. He was fine one day and terribly sick the next with neck

leg and back pain followed by 106 degree fever. By the time they got him to

the hospital it was just too late. I received an email from a friend saying

the rash can be tested with a glass tumbler. If you press the glass against

the skin and the rash doesn't change color or shape, it means the infecton

has reached the blood. Any truth to this test?................Anita