Re: Re: If everyone stopped vaxing.....what.....??????

September 23, 2007

I found a web page report on prevnar.

http://www.whale.to/v/prevnar2.html

Worth reviewing.

Joe

ph McGuire <kingcop@...> wrote: I can't

account for the reported drop in the Prevnar associated diseases.

I would ask who is providing the data to support the claim. If it is the mfg's

data then I would question it. It may be that those reporting the incidence of

the illness are reluctant to report a strain that a person is vaccinated for. I

have read that a lot of doctors will not diagnose a person with, say, whooping

cough, if the person is vaccinated with it.

Haven't claims like these been historically proven to be wrong for virtually

all vaccines?

But, this may be the only exception.

Joe

Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: At

02:19 PM 9/21/2007 -0400, you wrote:

>How, then, do you account for the drop in diseases that new vaccines

>such as Prevnar tackle? No drop before the vaccine, no unsanitary

>living conditions?

All there is is a shift to another type of meningitis.

It isn't about the bacteria. And if you don't buy it that bacteria causes

illness, but is the result..................

Then the meningitis is the issue resulting from immune system problems

(previous vaccines, overload of antibiotics and other drugs, not breastfed

and on and on).

The bacteria that are present (tests show that is the bacteria present),

does not mean that it caused it.

I'll resend the Prevnar info about the new strains now appearing.

Sheri

>

>On Sep 21, 2007, at 1:13 PM, ph McGuire wrote:

>

>> Hi

>> If you consider the fact that probably at least half of the

>> population has never had the measles vaccine and a large percentage

>> of the remaining people haven't had one in a long time, possibly

>> decades, then you can start to understand that vaccines do not

>> prevent measles or anything else. If you look deep enough, you will

>> find that measles was on a rapid decline BEFORE they introduced the

>> vaccine. Ditto polio and a host of other diseases.

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September 23, 2007

I do agree with that. But I still think the vaccine is reducing the

number of acute cases, so in that sense it's " working. " Maybe by

giving a chronic case, but that's a separate issue...

On Sep 23, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

> All there is is a shift to another type of meningitis.

> It isn't about the bacteria. And if you don't buy it that bacteria

> causes

> illness, but is the result..................

>

> Then the meningitis is the issue resulting from immune system problems

> (previous vaccines, overload of antibiotics and other drugs, not

> breastfed

> and on and on).

> The bacteria that are present (tests show that is the bacteria

> present),

> does not mean that it caused it.

> I'll resend the Prevnar info about the new strains now appearing.

> Sheri

>

September 23, 2007

Joe,

I appreciate your willingness to concede when you don't have an

answer for something. I agree with what you've said, BUT.... there's

only so much coincidence I can take before having to admit to

something I don't like. Even with doctor misdiagnosis, companies

wanting to slant their results (I don't think it's the companies

coming out with the data now, anyway), it's just too coincidental

that the disease rates dropped so precipitously when the vaccine came

out. I'd like to believe vaccines don't work because it would make

wading through this issue so much easier, fewer ethical

considerations. But I think some of them work to some extent or

another, at least in lowering the number of *acute* manifestations of

the disease, and that is the problem. Personally, even if I thought

vaccines were super, it gets pretty stupid when you start " boutique "

vaxxing for a disease as small as the meningitis strain Prevnar

attacks, because, as Sheri said, another strain just takes over, and

then you are loading up kids with tons of vaccines, too. -Angie

On Sep 23, 2007, at 2:11 PM, ph McGuire wrote:

> I can't account for the reported drop in the Prevnar associated

> diseases.

> I would ask who is providing the data to support the claim. If it

> is the mfg's data then I would question it. It may be that those

> reporting the incidence of the illness are reluctant to report a

> strain that a person is vaccinated for. I have read that a lot of

> doctors will not diagnose a person with, say, whooping cough, if

> the person is vaccinated with it.

> Haven't claims like these been historically proven to be wrong for

> virtually all vaccines?

> But, this may be the only exception.

> Joe

September 24, 2007

it's just too coincidental

> that the disease rates dropped so precipitously when the vaccine came

> out. I'd like to believe vaccines don't work because it would make

> wading through this issue so much easier,

Ok, I hope that I can get this out right, or that it hasn't been said already

because I have had a busy weekend and haven't kept up with every post on the

topic. What our chiropractors said was that it isn't necessarily doctors

missing the diagnosis or researchers purposely " losing " numbers, BUT that the

diagnostic criteria changes so that there are fewer people diagnosed with the

disease. They said something about how the diagnosis for meningitis is similar

to that of the one used for diagnosing polio. They said that the diagnosis for

polio changed so that people would believe that the vaccine worked, but that we

were now faced with a " new disease " that didn't fit the criteria. I do believe

that it is similar to how vaccine reactions are diagnosed, I could be wrong, but

I believe that if a reaction doesn't happen with a couple of days, it isn't

considered vaccine damage, but something else. That only covers the immediate

reactions and as we know, there are things that can happen from vaccines that

are not noticed immediately.

Sara

September 26, 2007

And my kids will never be counted in the figures. Because I don't take them to

the doc. Just let them ride it out, whatever they get. Think my kids had

chicken pox, but never got official diagnosis. Just treated with vitamin C and

the only symptoms they seemed to have were the sores. They had been exposed a

week or so before.

Fieldman

Re: If everyone stopped vaxing.....what.....??????

If my understanding is correct, the diseases just are repressed in our bodies.

They don't really go away. I would like to point out that children still get the

measles and chicken pox. It is most likely that they aren't keeping the stats on

the number of kids who do because it doesn't serve their purpose of

scaremongering. My daughter had her MMR at 15 months then got a BAD case of the

measles at age 6. One of our grandsons got the Chicken Pox vaccine as an infant

and now at age 6 has the Chicken Pox!

C.

September 27, 2007

In a message dated 9/26/2007 8:25:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

cathykay@... writes:

My daughter had her MMR at 15 months then got a BAD case of the measles at

age 6. One of our grandsons got the Chicken Pox vaccine as an infant and now

at age 6 has the Chicken Pox!

Haven't you heard " their " latest statements on this? The vaccine doesn't

always prevent the disease, but it will at least lessen it if the child does

contract it. What a joke.

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August 9, 2008

In a message dated 8/9/2008 8:37:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

jenleahy@... writes:

> How come when I was growing up, I never heard about meningitis like I do

> now?

>

But isn't that true for so many things? When I was growing up, I didn't know

a single kid with chronic ear infections, tubes in their ears, severe peanut

allergies, severe food allergies, autism, ADD, or a host of other things that

are common today. I think vaccines are a factor, but it is no doubt a

multifactorial problem. And it seems on the whole kids were even healthier in

my

mom's childhood (except for things like polio).

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August 9, 2008

Okay, so this is where I freak out again, the whole Meningitis thing. College

kids

are prone to eating bad, not sleeping enough and partying, Their immune system

then becomes weak.

I previously stated that a friend of ours has a nephew that had meningitis, and

it was no laughing matter!.

We didn't go into detail if he was vaxed or not, but just hearing about it is

really scaring me.

Does anyone who does not vax or partially vax their children fearing this in the

future. This is the one disease that

I really worry about, especially since my two have been vaxed for pnemonnucoccal

meningitis and hib. Who knows

if those vaccines are the culprits?

How come when I was growing up, I never heard about meningitis like I do now?

..

Re: If everyone stopped vaxing.....what.....??????

>

> Yes, but not everybody who gets a disease has a compromised immune

> system. -Angie

>

> I believe it does. If you're weak at that particular time for

whatever reason, be it stress, lack of sleep, etc. you're likely to

come down with a sickness. People who don't need *cleaning*, will not

get sick even if exposed to viruses, bacteria. That's what some

holistic doctors believe. I don't have a medical degree so the info i

gather is from various sources.

Katarina

August 9, 2008

You didn't hear about it because the vaccine pushers were too busy focusing on

other diseases. Remember, " itis " means inflammation. Add a body part to the

beginning and you have inflammation of that body part, could be multiple causes.

Then they treat it with nasty drugs and you're in trouble.

Again, I think if you vax, you still have to worry because vaccines don't work.

It's a scam. If it wasn't meningitis, they'd pick another disease to dwell

on--and they will. First it was flu, then measles, then rubella, now meningitis

for college. Next it will be whooping cough or bird flu.

My son is starting college next week and I'm not even thinking about meningitis.

I'm more worried about drinking and girls breaking his heart.

I know it's scary but vaxing is not remotely the answer.

Winnie

Re: If everyone stopped

> vaxing.....what.....??????

>

> >

> > Yes, but not everybody who gets a disease has a compromised

> immune

> > system. -Angie

> >

> > I believe it does. If you're weak at that particular time for

> whatever reason, be it stress, lack of sleep, etc. you're likely

> to

> come down with a sickness. People who don't need *cleaning*,

> will not

> get sick even if exposed to viruses, bacteria. That's what some

> holistic doctors believe. I don't have a medical degree so the

> info i

> gather is from various sources.

>

> Katarina

>

August 9, 2008

No one in my town had polio that I was aware of, except a girl who came from

Greece as an exchange student. However, I was plagued with ear infections--can

still feel the pain from when I was three. The doctor popped my eardrum once,

too. I don't think they gave antibiotics for ear infections back then. I suppose