Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 How do you guys handle the stress of having this torment, and most people not acknowledging it to be " real " ? It's bad enough to experience this, and go through it knowing the only place you can share it is forums like this one. It's not just the " misery loves company " reality either. The toxins from these bugs are harmful enough, and it clearly affects one's neurology/brain, etc.- but the stress produced by the constant irritation, pain and relentless protocols (vacuuming spraying, bathing, etc.), time and resources expended- are brutal. And it almost feels as though they have an aggregate intelligence that instantly knows your moods, feelings and thoughts. And I know how crazy what I just wrote sounds too. Anyone who hasn't experienced this, doesn't have a clue what it's like. Worse, most don't even want to hear the gory details. This leaves you feeling abandoned, and forlorn. Feels like a relentless, non-stop war. D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 That kind of Question is exactly what I really think We need to be more open with.Truth is it is brutal for me and prob.most of everyone.For me it is really o.k. to have a space to say " I can't take it',sometimes I don't want to be here " ,(That doesn't mean I have a suicide plan because I don't),D I get angry plain and simple when people don't want to know about it or I get depressed,I don't mean raging angry but You know I don't think it is fair that We get no sympathy,or care for the most part,this disease takes so much time and the things hurt,the lesions are nasty,I think it's good to say how You feel,I am an idealist but I think We should be able to have people We call on the phone even on a horrible day,People are having a rough time this week,I am not a very private person but many people are,I don't know,tonite You reminded me about garlic,that was great because I didn't take supplements because I was down,little things can pull a person up,I don't get the experience from this group of misery liking company...as a group I don't find anyone to be a whiner,everyone here seems to work a good program of recovery from this bug,disease,curse...,I agree they have an innate intelligence...they are a hive,heck aren't they mixed with our dna??Why wouldn't We feel the energy of this,It is a war and it seems many of us feel like lone soldiers,I think people should complain more to tell You the truth...sometimes in venting We are able to find solutions or at least feel We are accepted,acceptance is a huge deal for people they need to feel they can be a part of the human race no matter what their state is physically,emotionally or mental...esp people who have a disease that is isolating..hugs,Rose --- cerph1000@... wrote: From: " D " <cerph1000@...> bird mites Subject: This experience Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:43:45 -0000 How do you guys handle the stress of having this torment, and most people not acknowledging it to be " real " ? It's bad enough to experience this, and go through it knowing the only place you can share it is forums like this one. It's not just the " misery loves company " reality either. The toxins from these bugs are harmful enough, and it clearly affects one's neurology/brain, etc.- but the stress produced by the constant irritation, pain and relentless protcols (vacuuming spraying, bathing, etc.), time and resources expended- are brutal. And it almost feels as though they have an aggregate intelligence that instantly knows your moods, feelings and thoughts. And I know how crazy what I just wrote sounds too. Anyone who hasn't experienced this, doesn't have a clue what it's like. Worse, most don't even want to hear the gory details. This leaves you feeling abandoned, and forlorn. Feels like a relentless, non-stop war. D. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Hi D Isn & #39;t it the worst . Only thru God & His mighty power can there be true deliverance. It sure draws you close to Him. Praise God . All things work together for good for those that love God and are the called according to His purpose. God bless you Cerph , Bill D wrote: > > How do you guys handle the stress of having this torment, and most people not > acknowledging it to be " real " ? > It's bad enough to experience this, and go through it knowing the only place you > can share it is forums like this one. > It's not just the " misery loves company " reality either. The toxins from these > bugs are harmful enough, and it clearly affects one's neurology/brain, etc.- but > the stress produced by the constant irritation, pain and relentless protocols > (vacuuming spraying, bathing, etc.), time and resources expended- are brutal. > And it almost feels as though they have an aggregate intelligence that instantly > knows your moods, feelings and thoughts. > And I know how crazy what I just wrote sounds too. Anyone who hasn't experienced > this, doesn't have a clue what it's like. Worse, most don't even want to hear > the gory details. > This leaves you feeling abandoned, and forlorn. Feels like a relentless, > non-stop war. > D. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I know the isolation and control this disease takes. When I had lesions people would move from sitting beside me even my doctor stood back like I was a leper. One must look for the positive to heal from this however difficult that may be, negative thoughts will slow the healing. I understand the hiding while infected, infested especially if large lesions are involved I did the same. Over a 15 months of grueling detox I am healed, perhaps a eruption every now and again but I must put into perspective before this beast I would have thought nothing of a eruption thinking it might be a pimple, these are not pimples though. The mental scars this disease leaves and the ignorance surrounding it makes it even more important to stay positive and look for the good. Lyme has been around since the 70s, diagnosed and there is still little hope and help for lyme, may be decades before morgellons get the recognition. We must depend on ourselves and positive thoughts do help me. D hang in there. > > How do you guys handle the stress of having this torment, and most people not > acknowledging it to be " real " ? > > It's bad enough to experience this, and go through it knowing the only place you > can share it is forums like this one. > > It's not just the " misery loves company " reality either. The toxins from these > bugs are harmful enough, and it clearly affects one's neurology/brain, etc.- but > the stress produced by the constant irritation, pain and relentless protocols > (vacuuming spraying, bathing, etc.), time and resources expended- are brutal. > > And it almost feels as though they have an aggregate intelligence that instantly > knows your moods, feelings and thoughts. > > And I know how crazy what I just wrote sounds too. Anyone who hasn't experienced > this, doesn't have a clue what it's like. Worse, most don't even want to hear > the gory details. > > This leaves you feeling abandoned, and forlorn. Feels like a relentless, > non-stop war. > > > D. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 " aren't they mixed with our dna?? " If they are, then " recovery " would be all but impossible. It would mean their very consciousness would continue to be meshed with our own. You would be more than slghtly " buggy " (mentally), even after removing them from the other parts of your body. You would then need a gene therapist to deal with this. D. > > From: " D " <cerph1000@...> > bird mites > Subject: This experience > Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:43:45 -0000 > > How do you guys handle the stress of having this torment, and most people not acknowledging it to be " real " ? > > It's bad enough to experience this, and go through it knowing the only place you can share it is forums like this one. > > It's not just the " misery loves company " reality either. The toxins from these bugs are harmful enough, and it clearly affects one's neurology/brain, etc.- but the stress produced by the constant irritation, pain and relentless protcols (vacuuming spraying, bathing, etc.), time and resources expended- are brutal. > > And it almost feels as though they have an aggregate intelligence that instantly knows your moods, feelings and thoughts. > > And I know how crazy what I just wrote sounds too. Anyone who hasn't experienced this, doesn't have a clue what it's like. Worse, most don't even want to hear the gory details. > > This leaves you feeling abandoned, and forlorn. Feels like a relentless, non-stop war. > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 I don't know D I have diff.bugs Than You have.I have heard they are mixed up in our dna.I kinda think that I might have to live with this and try to make the most of it.Just found out my disability ran out so i am going back to work(no choice for now)If I ever get Permanent disability think I will buy a cheap trailer and eat alot of brown rice and beans,make my own soap and maybe live somewhere cheaper like Redding.We live in a harsh time period where nature has been tampered with severely.I never could of imagined getting such a disease.I wish We had a support group that met in person.Most people just don't want to know.I've lost my patience with them.The most caring I get is from my brother who has terminal cancer.That old statement people can be at their best when things are the worst.But then He has always been very caring.He saw my Dad 3-4 times a week when Dad was in the nursing home.Took Him out to dinner in S.F. at least once a week walker and all when my Dad was about 102.(passed just before 103)Maybe We will have a break from the rain today.Hugs,Rose --- cerph1000@... wrote: From: " D " <cerph1000@...> bird mites Subject: Re: This experience Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:28:01 -0000 " aren't they mixed with our dna?? " If they are, then " recovery " would be all but impossible. It would mean their very consciousness would continue to be meshed with our own. You would be more than slghtly " buggy " (mentally), even after removing them from the other parts of your body. You would then need a gene therapist to deal with this. D. > > From: " D " <cerph1000@...> > bird mites > Subject: This experience > Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:43:45 -0000 > > How do you guys handle the stress of having this torment, and most people not acknowledging it to be " real " ? > > It's bad enough to experience this, and go through it knowing the only place you can share it is forums like this one. > > It's not just the " misery loves company " reality either. The toxins from these bugs are harmful enough, and it clearly affects one's neurology/brain, etc.- but the stress produced by the constant irritation, pain and relentless protcols (vacuuming spraying, bathing, etc.), time and resources expended- are brutal. > > And it almost feels as though they have an aggregate intelligence that instantly knows your moods, feelings and thoughts. > > And I know how crazy what I just wrote sounds too. Anyone who hasn't experienced this, doesn't have a clue what it's like. Worse, most don't even want to hear the gory details. > > This leaves you feeling abandoned, and forlorn. Feels like a relentless, non-stop war. > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 I too sensed an aggregate intelligence when I had the great mite infestation in my home. It was an unwelcome spiritual presence and it stayed in a room that I've never been able to use in the 6+ years I've been living in this place. It went away when I got rid of the infestation. I hear various people talk about agrobacterium as a factor in the relentless internal infestation. This wikipedia article explains agrobacterium in simple terms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrobacterium#Agrobacterium_in_humans Horizontal gene transfer is how our dna gets transformed. We can thank Monsanto for this. There is an 80 acre Monsanto " seed farm " a few miles from here, at the northern edge of Kihei, Maui. They employ 600 people, including many lab technicians and security personnel. Pfizer Genetics leases the farm land that Monsanto uses. myrtle > > > > From: " D " <cerph1000@> > > bird mites > > Subject: This experience > > Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:43:45 -0000 > > > > How do you guys handle the stress of having this torment, and most people not acknowledging it to be " real " ? > > > > It's bad enough to experience this, and go through it knowing the only place you can share it is forums like this one. > > > > It's not just the " misery loves company " reality either. The toxins from these bugs are harmful enough, and it clearly affects one's neurology/brain, etc.- but the stress produced by the constant irritation, pain and relentless protcols (vacuuming spraying, bathing, etc.), time and resources expended- are brutal. > > > > And it almost feels as though they have an aggregate intelligence that instantly knows your moods, feelings and thoughts. > > > > And I know how crazy what I just wrote sounds too. Anyone who hasn't experienced this, doesn't have a clue what it's like. Worse, most don't even want to hear the gory details. > > > > This leaves you feeling abandoned, and forlorn. Feels like a relentless, non-stop war. > > > > > > D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Thanks Myrtle, The plot seems to get creepier all the time, doesn't it. Mad scientists of Monsanto selling out for the almighty (pun not intended) buck. If it's not too much trouble, what protocol worked for you in getting rid of this parasite? D. > > > > > > From: " D " <cerph1000@> > > > bird mites > > > Subject: This experience > > > Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:43:45 -0000 > > > > > > How do you guys handle the stress of having this torment, and most people not acknowledging it to be " real " ? > > > > > > It's bad enough to experience this, and go through it knowing the only place you can share it is forums like this one. > > > > > > It's not just the " misery loves company " reality either. The toxins from these bugs are harmful enough, and it clearly affects one's neurology/brain, etc.- but the stress produced by the constant irritation, pain and relentless protcols (vacuuming spraying, bathing, etc.), time and resources expended- are brutal. > > > > > > And it almost feels as though they have an aggregate intelligence that instantly knows your moods, feelings and thoughts. > > > > > > And I know how crazy what I just wrote sounds too. Anyone who hasn't experienced this, doesn't have a clue what it's like. Worse, most don't even want to hear the gory details. > > > > > > This leaves you feeling abandoned, and forlorn. Feels like a relentless, non-stop war. > > > > > > > > > D. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Probably none. Read the following: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto_and_the_Campaign_to_Undermin\ e_Organics " An ironic and embarrassing episode occurred in 1999 when Monsanto's own chefs banned the use of GM food from the company cafeteria at its main offices in Buckinghamshire in the UK [19], " It must be the final insult. Having led the way in promoting genetically modified (GM) food, the food technology giant Monsanto has suffered the indignity of having GM products banned in its own staff canteen by the caterers, who say the move is 'in response to concern raised by our customers' " [20]. So they know... Bessie > > > > I too sensed an aggregate intelligence when I had the great mite infestation in my home. It was an unwelcome spiritual presence and it stayed in a room that I've never been able to use in the 6+ years I've been living in this place. It went away when I got rid of the infestation. > > > > I hear various people talk about agrobacterium as a factor in the relentless internal infestation. This wikipedia article explains agrobacterium in simple terms. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrobacterium#Agrobacterium_in_humans > > > > Horizontal gene transfer is how our dna gets transformed. We can thank Monsanto for this. There is an 80 acre Monsanto " seed farm " a few miles from here, at the northern edge of Kihei, Maui. They employ 600 people, including many lab technicians and security personnel. Pfizer Genetics leases the farm land that Monsanto uses. > > > > myrtle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Gee, I have no idea. I've only met one person who would admit to working there. Monsanto is a much despised company and they keep an exceedingly low profile in the community. They have operations on 4 or 5 of the Hawaiian islands. They've been here on Maui for about 45 years and were originally breeding and growing corn seed in the old-fashioned way. I have heard of several people living in Kihei, which is downwind of the Monsanto enseed farm, having the mite infestion from hell, like all of us. I think there are many people here who are in the closet with their mite infestations due to fears of losing employment or being viewed as nuts. I got sick with mycoplasma pneumonia in 2005 when I was working about 2 miles downwind from Monsanto. I also drove past their farm on my commute for 6 years. I never quite recovered from the pneumonia and finally quit my job in 2007 to recuperate, and that's when I got the mites. myrtle > > > > I too sensed an aggregate intelligence when I had the great mite infestation in my home. It was an unwelcome spiritual presence and it stayed in a room that I've never been able to use in the 6+ years I've been living in this place. It went away when I got rid of the infestation. > > > > I hear various people talk about agrobacterium as a factor in the relentless internal infestation. This wikipedia article explains agrobacterium in simple terms. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrobacterium#Agrobacterium_in_humans > > > > Horizontal gene transfer is how our dna gets transformed. We can thank Monsanto for this. There is an 80 acre Monsanto " seed farm " a few miles from here, at the northern edge of Kihei, Maui. They employ 600 people, including many lab technicians and security personnel. Pfizer Genetics leases the farm land that Monsanto uses. > > > > myrtle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Hi D -- Yes, truth is stranger than fiction. I believe it's a case of unintended consequences, since the greedy corporate profiteers can no longer profit if they sicken and kill off their customers. It's hard for me to sum up what worked for me in getting rid of the mites, and I'm not delusional enough to think that I'm rid of the internal infection. For my home environment, I've engineered my surroundings so that nothing is easily infestable. To get rid of the infestation I dumped all my cotton things, steam cleaned, dehumidified, and sprayed Cedarcide's Best Yet Insect Spray all over the interior of my place in one fell swoop. Kept the place locked up for several hours, then didn't do any cleaning at all for two weeks. I did it again about 4 months later. I haven't had an environmental infestation since then. Please note I had a poultry mite infestation, and I'm pretty sure there were lots of springtails jumping around too. For my skin, again I've engineered my life around the mites, wearing only synthetic fabrics and maintaining a consistent laundering and skin cleaning regimen. I only wash my skin once a day to avoid stripping it too much of it's natural oils. I have about 4 different soaps and body washes that I rotate amongst, and same with the lotions. I take a therapeutic bath in salt (either dead sea or epsom), borax and baking soda with some essential oils. When I was heavily infested, I bathed every night in epsom salts, before I knew about adding borax and baking soda. The borax helps a lot. I did some spot-treating of my skin with ivermectin paste (the horse kind) for those areas that were horribly infested. That was what finally got the little bastards out of my nose and ears. For my internals, I had a few months of weekly acupuncture treatments early on that helped me regain my footing, health-wise. I was strict about avoiding sugar for a long time, but not so strict now. I have done internal cleanses and taken many herbs and supplements. My internal routine has continually morphed as I've learned new things and followed my intuition about how I needed to change my herbs and supplements. For cleansing, it's a good idea to start with a colon cleanse. You can buy pre-packaged colon cleanses at the health food store. Then it's a good idea to cleanse the liver and kidneys, followed by a heavy metal cleanse. Everyone has different health issues and different types of bugs, but I would say everyone can benefit from internal cleansing. What didn't work at all, and probably made things worse, was spraying with permethrins. That was what I did when I thought it was fleas. If you have time to read the archives here, you can get a sense of what people did over the course of time that worked and didn't work. People change their tactics when they figure out what is and isn't working. It helps to exchange ideas here and this group is a sanity saver for many. I've sort of skimmed through what I did so let me know if you have any questions. Aloha, myrtle > > Thanks Myrtle, > > The plot seems to get creepier all the time, doesn't it. > > Mad scientists of Monsanto selling out for the almighty (pun not intended) buck. > > If it's not too much trouble, what protocol worked for you in getting rid of this parasite? > > D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 That takes the cake really!!!! --- bessieglavas@... wrote: From: " Bessie " <bessieglavas@...> bird mites Subject: Re: This experience Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:53:10 -0000 Probably none. Read the following: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto_and_the_Campaign_to_Undermin\ e_Organics " An ironic and embarrassing episode occurred in 1999 when Monsanto's own chefs banned the use of GM food from the company cafeteria at its main offices in Buckinghamshire in the UK [19], " It must be the final insult. Having led the way in promoting genetically modified (GM) food, the food technology giant Monsanto has suffered the indignity of having GM products banned in its own staff canteen by the caterers, who say the move is 'in response to concern raised by our customers' " [20]. So they know... Bessie > > > > I too sensed an aggregate intelligence when I had the great mite infestation in my home. It was an unwelcome spiritual presence and it stayed in a room that I've never been able to use in the 6+ years I've been living in this place. It went away when I got rid of the infestation. > > > > I hear various people talk about agrobacterium as a factor in the relentless internal infestation. This wikipedia article explains agrobacterium in simple terms. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrobacterium#Agrobacterium_in_humans > > > > Horizontal gene transfer is how our dna gets transformed. We can thank Monsanto for this. There is an 80 acre Monsanto " seed farm " a few miles from here, at the northern edge of Kihei, Maui. They employ 600 people, including many lab technicians and security personnel. Pfizer Genetics leases the farm land that Monsanto uses. > > > > myrtle > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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