Re: Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

[Guest guest]

Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of fighting them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at the same time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the things on it we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a month when our skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no longer felt the things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid. One particular brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static cling effect. This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it cling to what ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house, yard, garage and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and after it was dry we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took several months but we began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us. Our skin was healed and protected by using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to toe. This cream kills them. We have since learned to follow that cream with straight, undiluted coconut oil. With the oil on our skin we now no longer feel the things trying to crawl back on to our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting better we steam cleaned our home twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam every inch of our home and furniture. If you have any questions about what we have done to rid our home and skin of this "thing" please feel free to ask. Hope this info helps. Rita

Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that i'll never get rid of them.Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember reading on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from scratch and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's how he freed himself of this nightmare.Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this anymore.

[Guest guest]

Dear Rita,Would You know if the roach prufe hurts animals.I've been hestitan

using roach prufe for this reason.I have lost 1 cat already I think to these

mites.Now my favorite of 11 years is showing some symptoms.(itching,see mites in

eyes)I think You shared You lost a Beloved pet or pets.I know Bessie lost her

birds.I know there are no guarantees on some of these products.Thank You,Rose R

--- m.r.carlson@... wrote:

From: " Rita and Mike Carlson " <m.r.carlson@...>

<bird mites >

Subject: Re: Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:59:50 -0600

Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of fighting them.

We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at the same time.

While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the things on it we

began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a month when our

skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no longer felt the

things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid. One particular

brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static cling effect.

This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it cling to what

ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house, yard, garage

and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and after it was dry

we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took several months but we

began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us. Our skin was healed and

protected by using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to toe. This cream kills

them. We have since learned to follow that cream with straight, undiluted

coconut oil. With the oil on our skin we now no longer feel the things trying to

crawl back on to our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting better we steam

cleaned our home twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam every inch of our

home and furniture. If you have any questions about what we have done to rid our

home and skin of this " thing " please feel free to ask. Hope this info helps.

Rita

Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has completely

freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to know how

they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that i'll never

get rid of them.

Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember reading on

the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from scratch and

showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's how he freed

himself of this nightmare.

Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and clothes

and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I have on

shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont tag on to

me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with them I wont

be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this anymore.

[Guest guest]

Hi Zero

Zooks did , She changed her user name to zmooks on birdmites forum, seach her name in the search area, I have watched her post for 3 years. She told me the heat did not hurt her house or her floors. It did melt some plastic bottles she had high on a shelf.

I emailed her 3 months ago and she said she is still fine , Praise God

Here is one of her posts, ( (this is my dream)

"Continue Re: Can Couch Be Saved?From: zmooksbird mites Date: Tue Dec 23 15:08:15 2008 I agree with frito, its just stuff....when we were at the height of our infestation I would have lit a match and just walked out the door if it ment that this plague would be gone from our lives. But as it doesnt work that way....we had to fight the hard fight just like everyone else..... Last year people were using high heat in their environment to kill this 'thing'..... this is what we did, and it worked for us...total elemination of what ever mite we had in 3 consecutive saturdays of using propane heaters to heat the interior of our house to 170-200F. Yes its radical, yes its extreme....but I do bring it up now and again because it does work and we managed to save not only our house and contents, but we were

able to get our lives back.... (of course we were working just as hard internally and on on our skin itself during the time we were elemenating them from our home...its a three prong attack, internal, external, environmental) z

Here is another one of Zooks post

> After all the chemicals that didnt work I used a sulfur mix that I > made up myself. > > From that I graduated to spraying listerine on my skin and showering > if off like Ray was doing, at first I didnt think this was working, > it took me a few days to realize that it actually was > > From there I started using the products from this website > www.espbotanicals. com called the new hope line. They sell it to you > in a kit, its expensive but lasts a very long time. It has a soap > then a sort of wax lotion then another lotion in the form of a > bar....it draws toxins/parasites out of the skin. > I know this product helped me. > This product is actually incorperated into Dr Kolbs protocol for > treatment of morgellons disease. Reading through some of the > testimonials there were people who only

experiencing biting and > crawling and/or believed they had some sort of skin parasite, not > necessarily Morg. Heres a link to what they have to say about what > they call the next global epademic http://www.espbotan icals.com/ Next% > 20Epidemic.htm. (or if you go to the main site just click on the > moving words) > > Anyway perhaps you could write to them and see if they have a sample > they could send or something... .They are really kind people, they > always send me free items, and write to find out how my families > doing.... > > I hope your improving! How are your parents? do they have this too? > > z >

3rd post

- From: zmooks <zuleikahwalker> bird mites Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:57:24 AM Subject: Re: site I order from

Fannou We are over the 'mites', I dont know what they were. We had rashes, black specks, fibers, but I never found a mite even with all the searching and time spent looking through a microscope leanse....so I dont know what we had.

Our experience was a big learning process. We tried a lot of different things. At the beginning we went to doctors and had permethrin and later ivermectin perscribed. We still had the 'mites'. So I ordered these chemicals from online vet and feed stores and we went down to a cabin for a week and slathered on these chemicals both day and night for a week.... we still had the 'mites'. Then we started Rays protocol which turned things around, we added in a cleanse by paraclear, and heat treating for the environment. Right before christmas I thought that maybe we had morgellons.. .or a strain of it....so I researched and found dr. Kolbs protocol online and I ordered the products which she recommends (its the new hope line cost $100.....expensive, lasts about 4 months) Mel (another poster) had also sent me the website link earlier, and I had thought it pretty interesting.

Anyway I got these products right before christmas, by christmas day we did not have this any more! BUT we were already seeing improvement before starting these products.... it may be coincidence, or it may be the final push in getting rid of this. These products are very interesting, they go on solid, and then turn to oil on your skin. Its got aromeopathic sort of properties, as when I use it I.......

Zero here is rays protocol

ray rey cure:

www.squidoo . com/ invisible- bugs

God bless you,

Bill

Please let me know how you do,

From: zero h <gframe21socal@...>Subject: Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?bird mites Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 9:21 PM

Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that i'll never get rid of them.Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember reading on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from scratch and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's how he freed himself of this nightmare.Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this

anymore.

[Guest guest]

Hi Zero

Zooks did , She changed her user name to zmooks on birdmites forum, seach her name in the search area, I have watched her post for 3 years. She told me the heat did not hurt her house or her floors. It did melt some plastic bottles she had high on a shelf.

I emailed her 3 months ago and she said she is still fine , Praise God

Here is one of her posts, ( (this is my dream)

"Continue Re: Can Couch Be Saved?From: zmooksbird mites Date: Tue Dec 23 15:08:15 2008 I agree with frito, its just stuff....when we were at the height of our infestation I would have lit a match and just walked out the door if it ment that this plague would be gone from our lives. But as it doesnt work that way....we had to fight the hard fight just like everyone else..... Last year people were using high heat in their environment to kill this 'thing'..... this is what we did, and it worked for us...total elemination of what ever mite we had in 3 consecutive saturdays of using propane heaters to heat the interior of our house to 170-200F. Yes its radical, yes its extreme....but I

do bring it up now and again because it does work and we managed to save not only our house and contents, but we were able to get our lives back.... (of course we were working just as hard internally and on on our skin itself during the time we were elemenating them from our home...its a three prong attack, internal, external, environmental) z

Here is another one of Zooks post

> After all the chemicals that didnt work I used a sulfur mix that I > made up myself. > > From that I graduated to spraying listerine on my skin and showering > if off like Ray was doing, at first I didnt think this was working, > it took me a few days to realize that it actually was > > From there I started using the products from this website > www . espbotanicals . com called the new hope line. They sell it to you > in a kit, its expensive but lasts a very long time. It has a soap > then a sort of wax lotion then another lotion in the form of a > bar....it draws toxins/parasites out of the skin. > I know this product helped me. > This product is actually incorperated into Dr Kolbs protocol for > treatment of morgellons

disease. Reading through some of the > testimonials there were people who only experiencing biting and > crawling and/or believed they had some sort of skin parasite, not > necessarily Morg. Heres a link to what they have to say about what > they call the next global epademic www. espbotan icals.com/ Next% > 20Epidemic.htm. (or if you go to the main site just click on the > moving words) > > Anyway perhaps you could write to them and see if they have a sample > they could send or something... .They are really kind people, they > always send me free items, and write to find out how my families > doing.... > > I hope your improving! How are your parents? do they

have this too? > > z >

3rd post

- From: zmooks <zuleikahwalker@ . com> bird mites Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:57:24 AM Subject: Re: site I order from

Fannou We are over the 'mites', I dont know what they were. We had rashes, black specks, fibers, but I never found a mite even with all the searching and time spent looking through a microscope leanse....so I dont know what we had.

Our experience was a big learning process. We tried a lot of different things. At the beginning we went to doctors and had permethrin and later ivermectin perscribed. We still had the 'mites'. So I ordered these chemicals from online vet and feed stores and we went down to a cabin for a week and slathered on these chemicals both day and night for a week.... we still had the 'mites'. Then we started Rays protocol which turned things around, we added in a cleanse by paraclear, and heat treating for the environment. Right before christmas I thought that maybe we had morgellons.. .or a strain of it....so I researched and found dr. Kolbs protocol online and I ordered the products which she recommends (its the new hope line cost $100.....expensive, lasts about 4 months) Mel (another poster) had also sent me the website link earlier, and I had thought it pretty interesting.

Anyway I got these products right before christmas, by christmas day we did not have this any more! BUT we were already seeing improvement before starting these products.... it may be coincidence, or it may be the final push in getting rid of this. These products are very interesting, they go on solid, and then turn to oil on your skin. Its got aromeopathic sort of properties, as when I use it I.......

Zero here is rays protocol

ray rey cure:

www.squidoo . com/ invisible- bugs

God bless you,

Bill

Please let me know how you do,

From: zero h <gframe21socal@...>Subject: Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?bird mites Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 9:21 PM

Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that i'll never get rid of them.Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember reading on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from scratch and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's how he freed himself of this nightmare.Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this

anymore.

[Guest guest]



I don't know if boric acid would hurt animals. I have read where people have used the powder in animals bedding in dog runs. I know the instructions on the Tempo say that once it's dry animals can be let back in to the house. Before I used the Roach Prufe I tried dusting my house very heavily with Sevin Dust. I put it on my two little dogs and the floors were covered with it. We watched our dogs for 3 days and they showed no symptoms of poisoning. When you use pesticides you have to be careful but so far we have not had any bad results using any type of powder. Rita

Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse? Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that i'll never get rid of them. Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember reading on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from scratch and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's how he freed himself of this nightmare. Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this anymore.

[Guest guest]

That is what you said after two years and after three years. Just because you

think you have bug populations in control does not mean you have rid yourself of

the bugs. They obviously keep on coming back. Roach Prufe is not the answer

neither is large amounts of bleach and epsom salt.

>

> Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of fighting

them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at the same

time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the things on it

we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a month when our

skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no longer felt the

things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid. One particular

brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static cling effect.

This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it cling to what

ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house, yard, garage

and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and after it was dry

we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took several months but we

began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us. Our skin was healed and

protected by using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to toe. This cream kills

them. We have since learned to follow that cream with straight, undiluted

coconut oil. With the oil on our skin we now no longer feel the things trying to

crawl back on to our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting better we steam

cleaned our home twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam every inch of our

home and furniture. If you have any questions about what we have done to rid our

home and skin of this " thing " please feel free to ask. Hope this info helps.

Rita

>

> Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

>

>

>

> Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has

completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to

know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that

i'll never get rid of them.

>

> Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember reading on

the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from scratch and

showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's how he freed

himself of this nightmare.

>

> Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and

clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I

have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont

tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with

them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this

anymore.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rose,

Yes, boric acid will hurt animals. It will also hurt you. It messes with you

vision, your skin, and your lungs. You have already lost one animal do you

really want to lose another one? Cats are very sensitive to poisons. A safe

way to treat pets is lyme and sulfur dips or the recommended dosage of

advantage. Boric acid is great at killing bugs. It is also great at killing

you.

The dumbest thing I ever did was putting roache prufe over my apartment. It

just made the bugs worse. They became more attracted to me. Building up a

strong immune system is important for fighting them, not bring what you have

already down.

-

>

> From: " Rita and Mike Carlson " <m.r.carlson@...>

> <bird mites >

> Subject: Re: Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:59:50 -0600

>

> Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of fighting

them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at the same

time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the things on it

we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a month when our

skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no longer felt the

things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid. One particular

brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static cling effect.

This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it cling to what

ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house, yard, garage

and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and after it was dry

we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took several months but we

began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us. Our skin was healed and

protected by using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to toe. This cream kills

them. We have since learned to follow that cream with straight, undiluted

coconut oil. With the oil on our skin we now no longer feel the things trying to

crawl back on to our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting better we steam

cleaned our home twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam every inch of our

home and furniture. If you have any questions about what we have done to rid our

home and skin of this " thing " please feel free to ask. Hope this info helps.

Rita

>

> Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

>

>

>

> Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has

completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to

know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that

i'll never get rid of them.

>

> Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember reading on

the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from scratch and

showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's how he freed

himself of this nightmare.

>

> Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and

clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I

have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont

tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with

them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this

anymore.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Could you expound on "the bringing up immune system " techniques you know about and maybe used

Thanks ,BIll

From: danielwalker94949 <danielwalker94949@...>Subject: Re: Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?bird mites Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 1:32 PM

Hi Rose,Yes, boric acid will hurt animals. It will also hurt you. It messes with you vision, your skin, and your lungs. You have already lost one animal do you really want to lose another one? Cats are very sensitive to poisons. A safe way to treat pets is lyme and sulfur dips or the recommended dosage of advantage. Boric acid is great at killing bugs. It is also great at killing you.The dumbest thing I ever did was putting roache prufe over my apartment. It just made the bugs worse. They became more attracted to me. Building up a strong immune system is important for fighting them, not bring what you have already down. - > > From: "Rita and Mike Carlson" <m.r.carlson@ ...> > <bird mites> > Subject: Re: Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse? > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:59:50 -0600 > > Yes....my husband and I finally killed them

out after 4 years of fighting them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at the same time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the things on it we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a month when our skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no longer felt the things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid. One particular brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static cling effect. This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it cling to what ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house, yard, garage and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and after it was dry we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took several months but we began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us. Our skin was healed and protected by using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to toe.

This cream kills them. We have since learned to follow that cream with straight, undiluted coconut oil. With the oil on our skin we now no longer feel the things trying to crawl back on to our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting better we steam cleaned our home twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam every inch of our home and furniture. If you have any questions about what we have done to rid our home and skin of this "thing" please feel free to ask. Hope this info helps. Rita > > Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse? > > > > Hi all.. I was just wondering

today if anyone in this community has completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that i'll never get rid of them. > > Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember reading on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from scratch and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's how he freed himself of this nightmare. > > Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this

anymore.>

[Guest guest]

Staninger has me on a lot of immune boosters. I'm not sure what they are

called. I would just take immune boosters.

> >

> > From: " Rita and Mike Carlson " <m.r.carlson@ ...>

> > <bird mites>

> > Subject: Re: Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

> > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:59:50 -0600

> >

> > Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of fighting

them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at the same

time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the things on it

we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a month when our

skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no longer felt the

things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid. One particular

brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static cling effect.

This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it cling to what

ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house, yard, garage

and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and after it was dry

we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took several months but we

began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us. Our skin was healed and

protected by

> using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to toe. This cream kills them. We have

since learned to follow that cream with straight, undiluted coconut oil. With

the oil on our skin we now no longer feel the things trying to crawl back on to

our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting better we steam cleaned our home

twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam every inch of our home and

furniture. If you have any questions about what we have done to rid our home and

skin of this " thing " please feel free to ask. Hope this info helps. Rita

> >

> > Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has

completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to

know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that

i'll never get rid of them.

> >

> > Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember reading on

the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from scratch and

showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's how he freed

himself of this nightmare.

> >

> > Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and

clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I

have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont

tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with

them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this

anymore.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well bless your heart......maybe I need to be more clear...........we no longer have any thing on our skin any more. We do feel the "things" when we go out to certain places like waiting rooms, hospitals, etc......but our skin never reacts to the "things" any more. We never feel them in our home, car or basement. We seem to have killed them out. You are wrong....what worked for us was the Roach Prufe and the Tempo.....along with the Bp on the skin. Our yard was a major problem. We had to get something out there so that we did not track the things back in to our home. The Tempo seems to have worked in that area. Some have had good success with heat treating. Some with ozone and extremely heavy duty cleaning. If it has not worked for you then you obviously have something different on your skin. Rita

Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?> > > > Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that i'll never get rid of them.> > Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember reading on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from scratch and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's how he freed himself of this nightmare.> > Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this anymore.>

[Guest guest]

Awesome great I was beginning to lose hope now I know I have a fighting chance

definitely gonna give the propane heater a shot in my new place just to make

sure they don't tag along in the move.

Nobody in my family seems to feel them except for me but I think my mother is

starting to get the crawling feeling now atleast we have some valuable info to

really combat this things from diffrent angles and hopefully have an upper hand

thanks everyone for your help.

God bless

[Guest guest]

I've had similar observations, but not just in this case. I've seen at least one

other member claiming to be " free " of the curse.

Well, if you're still getting buggered, wherever and whenever it happens to be -

you ain't over it sweets. Big difference between eradicating organisms from the

home environment and being completely free of the curse. Focus on the

thread-starter's use of the word COMPLETELY. To claim complete victory while

admitting to still getting bit by these organisms is an absurd contradiction.

And for those on internals, if you still have to follow protocol you didn't

before this curse hit, you ain't over it either. Yeah, you may be in a remission

of sorts, but the moment you lapse on your expensive or complex regimen, the

organisms regain their foothold.

Call me a cynic, a pessimist, if you will. I am of the mind once these organisms

are allowed to reach critical mass on/in the body the problem changes from one

of bird mite parasitism to systemic disease - otherwise known as Morgellons.

> >

> > Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of fighting

them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at the same

time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the things on it

we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a month when our

skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no longer felt the

things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid. One particular

brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static cling effect.

This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it cling to what

ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house, yard, garage

and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and after it was dry

we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took several months but we

began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us. Our skin was healed and

protected by using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to toe. This cream kills

them. We have since learned to follow that cream with straight, undiluted

coconut oil. With the oil on our skin we now no longer feel the things trying to

crawl back on to our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting better we steam

cleaned our home twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam every inch of our

home and furniture. If you have any questions about what we have done to rid our

home and skin of this " thing " please feel free to ask. Hope this info helps.

Rita

> >

> > Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has

completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to

know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that

i'll never get rid of them.

> >

> > Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember reading

on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from scratch

and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's how he

freed himself of this nightmare.

> >

> > Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and

clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I

have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont

tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with

them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this

anymore.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Buggered -

You raise one of the more perplexing issues with this. I don't know if I am the

other person you refer to, or if it is Marie.

First, I agree with most of what you say (at least in my own case). I had what

seemed to be a bird mite infestation. At the time, it seemed to be " the

beginning " . Actually, it was the beginning of symptoms so unusual that I

couldn't explain them away or ignore them.

As you say, it turned into Morgellons. But did it really " turn into " or were

the " bird mites " actually a stage of a slowly progressing Morgellons that had

been with me for at least several years prior to the mitemare?

I think it was an " all hell broke loose " stage. That was the summer of 2007.

Yet I had been unable to continue working at the end of 2004. After struggling

at my career for a few years, becoming more and more tired, forgetful, joint

pain and deformity, along with some more subtle symptoms, I threw in the towel

and took a disability retirement.

And now to the present. I also agree that if I am still following a protocol

that it is not " over " . It is my belief that Morgellons is incurable, though I

acknowledge that sometimes spontaneous remissions appear to occur. I know in at

least some cases that " relapses " occur in these cases; I have no way of knowing

whether some remissions stay that way since those people don't come back to tell

their story.

I do not experience biting no matter where I go. I've been involved in the

Morgellons support group in Tampa for a year and a half, and have never

" relapsed " from being around people who are sometimes in very bad condition. (I

have gotten some mosquito bites from playing golf at dusk - completely normal).

To sum it up, I continue to follow a maintenance protocol that includes Opaline

dry oxy caps, Far Infrared, Willard's Water, and rotating colon health regimens.

I also take a variety of supplements, some pulsed, some rotated. I eat as

healthy as I can stand to (mostly organic).

For the environment, I do routine cleaning using non-toxic cleaners (especially

enzyme-base or orange oil). But I am careful about air quality by using

ionizers, hepa filtration, UVC air cleaner, and occasionally ozone on a timer if

I am not going to be home for several hours.

I can't say that I never experience anything unusual. I still get what feels

like a sting somewhere in my feet, but that is not often. And I can live with

it.

I consider this a chronic illness that can be well managed, sort of like

diabetes. My protocol is not at all overwhelming, just part of everyday life.

It is a small price to pay for freedom from torture.

All that said, I must emphasize that I am speaking ONLY for myself. I do not

argue with others who have found other paths to freedom from the torture. I

also think that some people " only " have mite infestations that once they've

eradicated them, they are home free.

No one has all the answers. That is why I don't push my approach through

excessive posting about it. I put it out there, and let people decide what they

will try.

Sorry about the length of this post.

Bessie

> > >

> > > Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of fighting

them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at the same

time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the things on it

we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a month when our

skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no longer felt the

things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid. One particular

brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static cling effect.

This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it cling to what

ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house, yard, garage

and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and after it was dry

we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took several months but we

began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us. Our skin was healed and

protected by using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to toe. This cream kills

them. We have since learned to follow that cream with straight, undiluted

coconut oil. With the oil on our skin we now no longer feel the things trying to

crawl back on to our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting better we steam

cleaned our home twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam every inch of our

home and furniture. If you have any questions about what we have done to rid our

home and skin of this " thing " please feel free to ask. Hope this info helps.

Rita

> > >

> > > Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has

completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to

know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that

i'll never get rid of them.

> > >

> > > Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember reading

on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from scratch

and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's how he

freed himself of this nightmare.

> > >

> > > Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and

clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I

have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont

tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with

them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this

anymore.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am glad for all people that are doing better...Alot of good info came with

this argument,However I don't think the tone of it is very nice..Thank you for

sharing Your protocol Bessie it is very interesting...I agree that generally

this garbage turns into Morgellons but nobody has all the answers on that...I

agree Lynn bout the nursing home...but remember 2012 is not too far off...Bessie

has the correct calculation on the exact date..

--- torpedolynn@... wrote:

From: " Lynn " <torpedolynn@...>

bird mites

Subject: Re: Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:26:12 -0000

Hi Bessie and Buggered

I have been dwelling on buggereds posting. I love hearing your post with his. I

also like you both believe that this might be something we will have forever. I

am glad you are in the remission part and hope you always will be. Just like

when my mom started getting Shingles the Dr. explained that if you had chicken

pocks as a kid the virus is always dorment in your body until you get up in age

and the emmune system can no longer keep it in check and it comes out as

Shingles. I think Morgellon may be simular. I think maybe it can be put into

remission, but God help us if we ever have to give up on our emmune systems via

old age or being put in a situation whare we are not allowed to use our weapons

to keep our health up. Like a nursing home. Which is whare I one day may be with

all my disabilitys. I dread that once I get well that in a place like that my

emmune system will weaken giving the Morgellons a chance to reserface. Wonder

what Sky things on that subject.

Like you I am way better now because of strengthening my organs and cleansing

the colon and blood. I still have work to do and it gets me down all the time

that I am not home free yet. I have to keep reminding myself that I am having

more good days now than bad days and the bad days are easy compared to what I

had been going through before the 3 points plan. It makes it hard to stay up

beat when you are winning the battle and have to deal with other health issues.

It gets to be to much for me at times. This morning being one of them.

I have been so dried out that I started using my heat device on my humiditor on

my breathing equipment. It gave wonderful releif from all the severe cotton

mouth. Cotton mouth so bad my throat would close up and could not swallow or

breath until I roll some water in my throat and spit so I can breath and than

drink some water. I drink tons of water and wake up with an extra full bladder

every morn on top of the cotton mouth. Well the relief I get now from my

humiditor is attracking some tiny tiny biters. I never felt them go up my nose

but this morning when my whole back was a wall of pain and than I realized a

slight pinching up my nose. Got up and got rid of them out of my nose and eyes

quickly with sea salt water. Everything that still trys to take hold is easier

to kill and get rid of. I get bouts of silence everyday to whare I think they

are gone and than later get some straglers. The days are slowly getting longer

and warmer so that seems to have made my invorment in my bug free living room

pick back up. I had gone over or almost two months with no hits from my living

room. Just that dang bed. Now my living room is slightly getting me. Got to

figure out what to do and what I can physically do when already taxed out

physically. Try to keep it to just my bed till I get to the stage whare you, Sue

and Marie are.

I guess that organic diet really is a big pluss in getting well. I think about

that part all the time and each time I get supplies from the health food store I

look and all that and the prices drive me away. Some day some way I am going to

go that direction, but I think I will always want at least 1 coffee Milkey Way

each week and on occassion a treat. Also sorry mine is so long.

In Light Lynn

>

> Buggered -

>

> You raise one of the more perplexing issues with this. I don't know if I am

the other person you refer to, or if it is Marie.

>

> First, I agree with most of what you say (at least in my own case). I had

what seemed to be a bird mite infestation. At the time, it seemed to be " the

beginning " . Actually, it was the beginning of symptoms so unusual that I

couldn't explain them away or ignore them.

>

> As you say, it turned into Morgellons. But did it really " turn into " or were

the " bird mites " actually a stage of a slowly progressing Morgellons that had

been with me for at least several years prior to the mitemare?

>

> I think it was an " all hell broke loose " stage. That was the summer of 2007.

Yet I had been unable to continue working at the end of 2004. After struggling

at my career for a few years, becoming more and more tired, forgetful, joint

pain and deformity, along with some more subtle symptoms, I threw in the towel

and took a disability retirement.

>

> And now to the present. I also agree that if I am still following a protocol

that it is not " over " . It is my belief that Morgellons is incurable, though I

acknowledge that sometimes spontaneous remissions appear to occur. I know in at

least some cases that " relapses " occur in these cases; I have no way of knowing

whether some remissions stay that way since those people don't come back to tell

their story.

>

> I do not experience biting no matter where I go. I've been involved in the

Morgellons support group in Tampa for a year and a half, and have never

" relapsed " from being around people who are sometimes in very bad condition. (I

have gotten some mosquito bites from playing golf at dusk - completely normal).

>

> To sum it up, I continue to follow a maintenance protocol that includes

Opaline dry oxy caps, Far Infrared, Willard's Water, and rotating colon health

regimens. I also take a variety of supplements, some pulsed, some rotated. I

eat as healthy as I can stand to (mostly organic).

>

> For the environment, I do routine cleaning using non-toxic cleaners

(especially enzyme-base or orange oil). But I am careful about air quality by

using ionizers, hepa filtration, UVC air cleaner, and occasionally ozone on a

timer if I am not going to be home for several hours.

>

> I can't say that I never experience anything unusual. I still get what feels

like a sting somewhere in my feet, but that is not often. And I can live with

it.

>

> I consider this a chronic illness that can be well managed, sort of like

diabetes. My protocol is not at all overwhelming, just part of everyday life.

It is a small price to pay for freedom from torture.

>

> All that said, I must emphasize that I am speaking ONLY for myself. I do not

argue with others who have found other paths to freedom from the torture. I

also think that some people " only " have mite infestations that once they've

eradicated them, they are home free.

>

> No one has all the answers. That is why I don't push my approach through

excessive posting about it. I put it out there, and let people decide what they

will try.

>

> Sorry about the length of this post.

>

> Bessie

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Bessie. I am about where you are at. The following statement by you is true for me too:

"I consider this a chronic illness that can be well managed, sort of like diabetes. My protocol is not at all overwhelming, just part of everyday life. It is a small price to pay for freedom from torture."

I don't think I can ever date someone long-term, knowing that I carry this thing (keeping it at bay, though). I am mentally prepared to be single for the rest of my life.

J

From: Bessie <bessieglavas@...>bird mites Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 9:28:44 AMSubject: Re: Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

Buggered -You raise one of the more perplexing issues with this. I don't know if I am the other person you refer to, or if it is Marie.First, I agree with most of what you say (at least in my own case). I had what seemed to be a bird mite infestation. At the time, it seemed to be "the beginning". Actually, it was the beginning of symptoms so unusual that I couldn't explain them away or ignore them.As you say, it turned into Morgellons. But did it really "turn into" or were the "bird mites" actually a stage of a slowly progressing Morgellons that had been with me for at least several years prior to the mitemare?I think it was an "all hell broke loose" stage. That was the summer of 2007. Yet I had been unable to continue working at the end of 2004. After struggling at my career for a few years, becoming more and more tired, forgetful, joint pain and deformity, along with some more subtle symptoms, I threw in the towel and

took a disability retirement.And now to the present. I also agree that if I am still following a protocol that it is not "over". It is my belief that Morgellons is incurable, though I acknowledge that sometimes spontaneous remissions appear to occur. I know in at least some cases that "relapses" occur in these cases; I have no way of knowing whether some remissions stay that way since those people don't come back to tell their story.I do not experience biting no matter where I go. I've been involved in the Morgellons support group in Tampa for a year and a half, and have never "relapsed" from being around people who are sometimes in very bad condition. (I have gotten some mosquito bites from playing golf at dusk - completely normal).To sum it up, I continue to follow a maintenance protocol that includes Opaline dry oxy caps, Far Infrared, Willard's Water, and rotating colon health regimens. I also take a variety of supplements,

some pulsed, some rotated. I eat as healthy as I can stand to (mostly organic). For the environment, I do routine cleaning using non-toxic cleaners (especially enzyme-base or orange oil). But I am careful about air quality by using ionizers, hepa filtration, UVC air cleaner, and occasionally ozone on a timer if I am not going to be home for several hours. I can't say that I never experience anything unusual. I still get what feels like a sting somewhere in my feet, but that is not often. And I can live with it.I consider this a chronic illness that can be well managed, sort of like diabetes. My protocol is not at all overwhelming, just part of everyday life. It is a small price to pay for freedom from torture.All that said, I must emphasize that I am speaking ONLY for myself. I do not argue with others who have found other paths to freedom from the torture. I also think that some people "only" have mite infestations that

once they've eradicated them, they are home free.No one has all the answers. That is why I don't push my approach through excessive posting about it. I put it out there, and let people decide what they will try.Sorry about the length of this post.Bessie> > >> > > Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of fighting them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at the same time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the things on it we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a month when our skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no longer felt the things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid. One particular brand, Roach Prufe, is

made in such a way that produces a static cling effect. This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it cling to what ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house, yard, garage and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and after it was dry we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took several months but we began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us. Our skin was healed and protected by using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to toe. This cream kills them. We have since learned to follow that cream with straight, undiluted coconut oil. With the oil on our skin we now no longer feel the things trying to crawl back on to our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting better we steam cleaned our home twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam every inch of our home and furniture. If you have any questions about what we have done to rid our home and skin of this "thing" please feel

free to ask. Hope this info helps. Rita> > > > > > Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that i'll never get rid of them.> > > > > > Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember reading on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house

starting from scratch and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's how he freed himself of this nightmare.> > > > > > Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this anymore.> > >> >>

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[Guest guest]

Could also be Sue H, Chasity, Myrtle and several others Bessie. I think there

more sucesses here than we give credit for that have gone on with a somewhat

normal life.

> > > >

> > > > Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of

fighting them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at

the same time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the

things on it we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a

month when our skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no

longer felt the things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid.

One particular brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static

cling effect. This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it

cling to what ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house,

yard, garage and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and

after it was dry we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took

several months but we began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us.

Our skin was healed and protected by using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to

toe. This cream kills them. We have since learned to follow that cream with

straight, undiluted coconut oil. With the oil on our skin we now no longer feel

the things trying to crawl back on to our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting

better we steam cleaned our home twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam

every inch of our home and furniture. If you have any questions about what we

have done to rid our home and skin of this " thing " please feel free to ask. Hope

this info helps. Rita

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone completely gotten rid of this

curse?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has

completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to

know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that

i'll never get rid of them.

> > > >

> > > > Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember

reading on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from

scratch and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's

how he freed himself of this nightmare.

> > > >

> > > > Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and

clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I

have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont

tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with

them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this

anymore.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

As usual, Bessie, you hit the nail square on the donkey, or in this case, the

curse. How and why the curse manifests in the human landscape remains a talking

point of much contention, and as much as I'd like to continue entertaining the

fantasy of a simple bird mite infestation, I find myself at last coming to grips

with the enormity of this hellish situation.

For starters, I've never seen a mite, or anything remotely resembling a mite. I

have sprayed my domicile from here to eternity. I have discarded furniture. I

have worked on the road for months at a time only to return to " it. " Not that I

ever completely escaped " it " while on the road, have you. All I have to do is

let up on the smokes one day and they're buggering the back of my throat again.

And one would think after a year plus of buggering some nasty specimen would

have finally crawled it's way into line of sight.

I've never had a problem shaking off colds, what have you. This is different.

This organism is in my head - literally. I do recall you once mentioning the

terminal nature of this condition which I shrugged off at the time as something

that couldn't possibly effect me. Several months later I must admit my faulty

logic. You were, and are.....correct, at least from my vantage.

The other person I was referring to was not you.

-Buggered

> > > >

> > > > Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of

fighting them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at

the same time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the

things on it we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a

month when our skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no

longer felt the things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid.

One particular brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static

cling effect. This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it

cling to what ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house,

yard, garage and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and

after it was dry we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took

several months but we began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us.

Our skin was healed and protected by using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to

toe. This cream kills them. We have since learned to follow that cream with

straight, undiluted coconut oil. With the oil on our skin we now no longer feel

the things trying to crawl back on to our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting

better we steam cleaned our home twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam

every inch of our home and furniture. If you have any questions about what we

have done to rid our home and skin of this " thing " please feel free to ask. Hope

this info helps. Rita

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone completely gotten rid of this

curse?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has

completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to

know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that

i'll never get rid of them.

> > > >

> > > > Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember

reading on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from

scratch and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's

how he freed himself of this nightmare.

> > > >

> > > > Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and

clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I

have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont

tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with

them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this

anymore.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Did it ever occur to you the good that came from this thread was for the very

reason it wasn't " nice " (i.e. pleasing and agreeable in nature). Nothing of

import is accomplished when people are more concerned about tip-toeing around

hyper-sensitive egos than they are posting empirical data.

-Buggered

> >

> > Buggered -

> >

> > You raise one of the more perplexing issues with this. I don't know if I am

the other person you refer to, or if it is Marie.

> >

> > First, I agree with most of what you say (at least in my own case). I had

what seemed to be a bird mite infestation. At the time, it seemed to be " the

beginning " . Actually, it was the beginning of symptoms so unusual that I

couldn't explain them away or ignore them.

> >

> > As you say, it turned into Morgellons. But did it really " turn into " or

were the " bird mites " actually a stage of a slowly progressing Morgellons that

had been with me for at least several years prior to the mitemare?

> >

> > I think it was an " all hell broke loose " stage. That was the summer of

2007. Yet I had been unable to continue working at the end of 2004. After

struggling at my career for a few years, becoming more and more tired,

forgetful, joint pain and deformity, along with some more subtle symptoms, I

threw in the towel and took a disability retirement.

> >

> > And now to the present. I also agree that if I am still following a

protocol that it is not " over " . It is my belief that Morgellons is incurable,

though I acknowledge that sometimes spontaneous remissions appear to occur. I

know in at least some cases that " relapses " occur in these cases; I have no way

of knowing whether some remissions stay that way since those people don't come

back to tell their story.

> >

> > I do not experience biting no matter where I go. I've been involved in the

Morgellons support group in Tampa for a year and a half, and have never

" relapsed " from being around people who are sometimes in very bad condition. (I

have gotten some mosquito bites from playing golf at dusk - completely normal).

> >

> > To sum it up, I continue to follow a maintenance protocol that includes

Opaline dry oxy caps, Far Infrared, Willard's Water, and rotating colon health

regimens. I also take a variety of supplements, some pulsed, some rotated. I

eat as healthy as I can stand to (mostly organic).

> >

> > For the environment, I do routine cleaning using non-toxic cleaners

(especially enzyme-base or orange oil). But I am careful about air quality by

using ionizers, hepa filtration, UVC air cleaner, and occasionally ozone on a

timer if I am not going to be home for several hours.

> >

> > I can't say that I never experience anything unusual. I still get what

feels like a sting somewhere in my feet, but that is not often. And I can live

with it.

> >

> > I consider this a chronic illness that can be well managed, sort of like

diabetes. My protocol is not at all overwhelming, just part of everyday life.

It is a small price to pay for freedom from torture.

> >

> > All that said, I must emphasize that I am speaking ONLY for myself. I do

not argue with others who have found other paths to freedom from the torture. I

also think that some people " only " have mite infestations that once they've

eradicated them, they are home free.

> >

> > No one has all the answers. That is why I don't push my approach through

excessive posting about it. I put it out there, and let people decide what they

will try.

> >

> > Sorry about the length of this post.

> >

> > Bessie

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lynn - Yup, at this point I am of the mind the curse may indeed be terminal

(chronic) and I'm glad others here now entertain the remission theory I

interjected. This is merely a lay persons' observation, but I suspect the

organism's fungal element plays a crucial role in laying the groundwork for

chronic buggering. Your point on dormant virus is well taken, and well advised.

-Buggered

> >

> > Buggered -

> >

> > You raise one of the more perplexing issues with this. I don't know if I am

the other person you refer to, or if it is Marie.

> >

> > First, I agree with most of what you say (at least in my own case). I had

what seemed to be a bird mite infestation. At the time, it seemed to be " the

beginning " . Actually, it was the beginning of symptoms so unusual that I

couldn't explain them away or ignore them.

> >

> > As you say, it turned into Morgellons. But did it really " turn into " or

were the " bird mites " actually a stage of a slowly progressing Morgellons that

had been with me for at least several years prior to the mitemare?

> >

> > I think it was an " all hell broke loose " stage. That was the summer of

2007. Yet I had been unable to continue working at the end of 2004. After

struggling at my career for a few years, becoming more and more tired,

forgetful, joint pain and deformity, along with some more subtle symptoms, I

threw in the towel and took a disability retirement.

> >

> > And now to the present. I also agree that if I am still following a

protocol that it is not " over " . It is my belief that Morgellons is incurable,

though I acknowledge that sometimes spontaneous remissions appear to occur. I

know in at least some cases that " relapses " occur in these cases; I have no way

of knowing whether some remissions stay that way since those people don't come

back to tell their story.

> >

> > I do not experience biting no matter where I go. I've been involved in the

Morgellons support group in Tampa for a year and a half, and have never

" relapsed " from being around people who are sometimes in very bad condition. (I

have gotten some mosquito bites from playing golf at dusk - completely normal).

> >

> > To sum it up, I continue to follow a maintenance protocol that includes

Opaline dry oxy caps, Far Infrared, Willard's Water, and rotating colon health

regimens. I also take a variety of supplements, some pulsed, some rotated. I

eat as healthy as I can stand to (mostly organic).

> >

> > For the environment, I do routine cleaning using non-toxic cleaners

(especially enzyme-base or orange oil). But I am careful about air quality by

using ionizers, hepa filtration, UVC air cleaner, and occasionally ozone on a

timer if I am not going to be home for several hours.

> >

> > I can't say that I never experience anything unusual. I still get what

feels like a sting somewhere in my feet, but that is not often. And I can live

with it.

> >

> > I consider this a chronic illness that can be well managed, sort of like

diabetes. My protocol is not at all overwhelming, just part of everyday life.

It is a small price to pay for freedom from torture.

> >

> > All that said, I must emphasize that I am speaking ONLY for myself. I do

not argue with others who have found other paths to freedom from the torture. I

also think that some people " only " have mite infestations that once they've

eradicated them, they are home free.

> >

> > No one has all the answers. That is why I don't push my approach through

excessive posting about it. I put it out there, and let people decide what they

will try.

> >

> > Sorry about the length of this post.

> >

> > Bessie

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Marshmallow to a degree but I think You take it too far...i don't believe

you are going to get everyone on the same page...Ultimately I believe You take

what works for You and have some tolerance about the differences...There is a

level of denial some people go through and there are exceptions to every rule

and there are newcomers people can scare away...I did that myself Marsh....I got

it early on what the story was but everyone has a right to their voice...We

learn from those we agree with and disagree with..You know the 4 stages

bargaining,denial,anger,acceptance...death and dying Kubler Ross

something like that..

--- no_reply wrote:

From: buggeredbymites <no_reply >

bird mites

Subject: Re: Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:31:09 -0000

Did it ever occur to you the good that came from this thread was for the very

reason it wasn't " nice " (i.e. pleasing and agreeable in nature). Nothing of

import is accomplished when people are more concerned about tip-toeing around

hyper-sensitive egos than they are posting empirical data.

-Buggered

> >

> > Buggered -

> >

> > You raise one of the more perplexing issues with this. I don't know if I am

the other person you refer to, or if it is Marie.

> >

> > First, I agree with most of what you say (at least in my own case). I had

what seemed to be a bird mite infestation. At the time, it seemed to be " the

beginning " . Actually, it was the beginning of symptoms so unusual that I

couldn't explain them away or ignore them.

> >

> > As you say, it turned into Morgellons. But did it really " turn into " or

were the " bird mites " actually a stage of a slowly progressing Morgellons that

had been with me for at least several years prior to the mitemare?

> >

> > I think it was an " all hell broke loose " stage. That was the summer of

2007. Yet I had been unable to continue working at the end of 2004. After

struggling at my career for a few years, becoming more and more tired,

forgetful, joint pain and deformity, along with some more subtle symptoms, I

threw in the towel and took a disability retirement.

> >

> > And now to the present. I also agree that if I am still following a

protocol that it is not " over " . It is my belief that Morgellons is incurable,

though I acknowledge that sometimes spontaneous remissions appear to occur. I

know in at least some cases that " relapses " occur in these cases; I have no way

of knowing whether some remissions stay that way since those people don't come

back to tell their story.

> >

> > I do not experience biting no matter where I go. I've been involved in the

Morgellons support group in Tampa for a year and a half, and have never

" relapsed " from being around people who are sometimes in very bad condition. (I

have gotten some mosquito bites from playing golf at dusk - completely normal).

> >

> > To sum it up, I continue to follow a maintenance protocol that includes

Opaline dry oxy caps, Far Infrared, Willard's Water, and rotating colon health

regimens. I also take a variety of supplements, some pulsed, some rotated. I

eat as healthy as I can stand to (mostly organic).

> >

> > For the environment, I do routine cleaning using non-toxic cleaners

(especially enzyme-base or orange oil). But I am careful about air quality by

using ionizers, hepa filtration, UVC air cleaner, and occasionally ozone on a

timer if I am not going to be home for several hours.

> >

> > I can't say that I never experience anything unusual. I still get what

feels like a sting somewhere in my feet, but that is not often. And I can live

with it.

> >

> > I consider this a chronic illness that can be well managed, sort of like

diabetes. My protocol is not at all overwhelming, just part of everyday life.

It is a small price to pay for freedom from torture.

> >

> > All that said, I must emphasize that I am speaking ONLY for myself. I do

not argue with others who have found other paths to freedom from the torture. I

also think that some people " only " have mite infestations that once they've

eradicated them, they are home free.

> >

> > No one has all the answers. That is why I don't push my approach through

excessive posting about it. I put it out there, and let people decide what they

will try.

> >

> > Sorry about the length of this post.

> >

> > Bessie

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bobby I would be curious the common denominator for wellness of those living a

fairly normal life again. For me MMS, Diet, Supplements and Sulfur and now

added Essiac Tea, have made my life possible again. Also stopping all chemical

applications of pesticides, and using natural soaps. Marie

http://www.healthy-communications.com/slsmostdangerousirritant.html

http://jimhumble.biz/

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of

fighting them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at

the same time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the

things on it we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a

month when our skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no

longer felt the things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid.

One particular brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static

cling effect. This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it

cling to what ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house,

yard, garage and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and

after it was dry we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took

several months but we began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us.

Our skin was healed and protected by using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to

toe. This cream kills them. We have since learned to follow that cream with

straight, undiluted coconut oil. With the oil on our skin we now no longer feel

the things trying to crawl back on to our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting

better we steam cleaned our home twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam

every inch of our home and furniture. If you have any questions about what we

have done to rid our home and skin of this " thing " please feel free to ask. Hope

this info helps. Rita

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone completely gotten rid of this

curse?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has

completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to

know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that

i'll never get rid of them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember

reading on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from

scratch and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's

how he freed himself of this nightmare.

> > > > >

> > > > > Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings

and clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what

I have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont

tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with

them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this

anymore.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We all would love to know what that common denominator is Marie. I suspect that

it is a total cleaning up of your body, after years of the unhealthy american

lifestyle that many of us live. We are our own worst enemies for what we do to

our bodies: fast food, lol Bugger, RX drugs, smoke, environmental chemicals,

cell phone radiation, wireless. The list is endless. You have totally cleansed

your body, as has Bessie, built your immune system back up, watch what you do

and put into your body now and keep a clean envionment. You both have stuck to a

plan also, you didn't flip and try everything, you just stayed on track. Sue H

has also done this and continues to do this. Major keys to success.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of

fighting them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at

the same time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the

things on it we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a

month when our skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no

longer felt the things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid.

One particular brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static

cling effect. This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it

cling to what ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house,

yard, garage and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and

after it was dry we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took

several months but we began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us.

Our skin was healed and protected by using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to

toe. This cream kills them. We have since learned to follow that cream with

straight, undiluted coconut oil. With the oil on our skin we now no longer feel

the things trying to crawl back on to our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting

better we steam cleaned our home twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam

every inch of our home and furniture. If you have any questions about what we

have done to rid our home and skin of this " thing " please feel free to ask. Hope

this info helps. Rita

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Has anyone completely gotten rid of this

curse?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community

has completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging

to know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried

that i'll never get rid of them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember

reading on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from

scratch and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's

how he freed himself of this nightmare.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings

and clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what

I have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont

tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with

them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this

anymore.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bobby More good news since becoming stronger and a year of detox I can now

splurge and have dark chocolate and occasional fast food with little

consequences. Continuing this lifestyle would be detrimental though. Marie

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of

fighting them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at

the same time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the

things on it we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a

month when our skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no

longer felt the things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid.

One particular brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static

cling effect. This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it

cling to what ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house,

yard, garage and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and

after it was dry we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took

several months but we began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us.

Our skin was healed and protected by using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to

toe. This cream kills them. We have since learned to follow that cream with

straight, undiluted coconut oil. With the oil on our skin we now no longer feel

the things trying to crawl back on to our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting

better we steam cleaned our home twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam

every inch of our home and furniture. If you have any questions about what we

have done to rid our home and skin of this " thing " please feel free to ask. Hope

this info helps. Rita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Has anyone completely gotten rid of this

curse?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community

has completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging

to know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried

that i'll never get rid of them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember

reading on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from

scratch and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's

how he freed himself of this nightmare.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my

belongings and clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw

away what I have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping

they wont tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family

takes with them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I

can't this anymore.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

And some shine or dandelion wine:)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of

fighting them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at

the same time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the

things on it we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a

month when our skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no

longer felt the things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid.

One particular brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static

cling effect. This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it

cling to what ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house,

yard, garage and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and

after it was dry we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took

several months but we began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us.

Our skin was healed and protected by using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to

toe. This cream kills them. We have since learned to follow that cream with

straight, undiluted coconut oil. With the oil on our skin we now no longer feel

the things trying to crawl back on to our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting

better we steam cleaned our home twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam

every inch of our home and furniture. If you have any questions about what we

have done to rid our home and skin of this " thing " please feel free to ask. Hope

this info helps. Rita

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Has anyone completely gotten rid of

this curse?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this

community has completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really

encouraging to know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really

worried that i'll never get rid of them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Were moving back to california in a couple months and I

remember reading on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house

starting from scratch and showered for a couple days before going to his new

house and that's how he freed himself of this nightmare.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my

belongings and clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw

away what I have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping

they wont tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family

takes with them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I

can't this anymore.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

JS -

And once again the discussion about there being no absolutes with this arises.

I know many people who have married and not given it to their spouse. I even

know a few cases of women who are afflicted giving birth to children who are

fine (they range in age, now, from 4 to 11). I know some who have dated

different people without giving it to them.

And of course, the opposite also happens...

Just as there seem to be numerous ways to defeat this, or at least get it under

control, there seem to be varying degrees of contagion. Is it connected with

whatever stage you are in? No one knows.

I would not give up on the idea of a partner, yet JS.

Bessie

> > > >

> > > > Yes....my husband and I finally killed them out after 4 years of

fighting them. We learned that it took attacking the environment and our skin at

the same time. While our skin started showing signs of fewer numbers of the

things on it we began to rotate our clothing. Buying cheap new clothes once a

month when our skin was really bad, and then every other month until we no

longer felt the things. What worked in our environment was lots of boric acid.

One particular brand, Roach Prufe, is made in such a way that produces a static

cling effect. This helps hold the powder on to walls, ceiling, etc. and helps it

cling to what ever tries to crawl through it. We also sprayed our entire house,

yard, garage and car with a pesticide called Tempo. We sprayed the tempo and

after it was dry we then put the Roach Prufe powder out very heavy. It took

several months but we began to slowly feel fewer of the things getting on us.

Our skin was healed and protected by

> using Benzoyl peroxide 2.5 % from head to toe. This cream kills them. We have

since learned to follow that cream with straight, undiluted coconut oil. With

the oil on our skin we now no longer feel the things trying to crawl back on to

our skin. Once we noticed our skin getting better we steam cleaned our home

twice a week with out fail. Trying to steam every inch of our home and

furniture. If you have any questions about what we have done to rid our home and

skin of this " thing " please feel free to ask. Hope this info helps. Rita

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone completely gotten rid of this curse?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi all.. I was just wondering today if anyone in this community has

completely freed themselfs from this mites?. It would be really encouraging to

know how they pulled it off in there cleaning routine.. am really worried that

i'll never get rid of them.

> > > >

> > > > Were moving back to california in a couple months and I remember reading

on the birmite.org forum some rich guy bought a new house starting from scratch

and showered for a couple days before going to his new house and that's how he

freed himself of this nightmare.

> > > >

> > > > Am hoping I can do the same I plan to throw away all my belongings and

clothes and buy some new clothes once I reach the new house throw away what I

have on shower for a few hours in hot water using borax then hoping they wont

tag on to me, I'll be living in a guest house so whatever my family takes with

them I wont be coming in contact with I hope it works out for me I can't this

anymore.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

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