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I really appreciate all the positive feedback to my posts.

It has been interesting to see all the creative solutions that people are coming

up with to deal with this insect, and to read the formulas of mixed compounds

people have made up in order to obtain some relief.

It is worth noting, though, that what I and so many others are dealing with is

JUST an insect; yes it is a parasitical insect, and likely carries one or more

diseases (rickettesial or encephalitic, for example), but it is just an insect

and can be killed if identified. Because this insect is so hard to capture and

has been mis-identified so many times by the same labs (over and over), it is

likely that this insect is not indigenous to the areas where it seems to be

causing so much trouble and grief (aren't the majority of posters to this site

largely from the US and UK?). I strongly suspect that this insect is coming home

with returning troops.

The reason it is important to actually identify this insect is because once it

is id'd people will know how to get rid of it in their environment.

The reason that people keep getting it on their skin, and keep getting bitten by

it is because it is living in people's houses.

Instead of trying to merely cope with having some marginal success in not

getting bitten as often as possible by spraying the house with a cocktail of

mixed chemicals or products which can, over the long run be as toxic as a single

blast of pesticide in the home (and which can be cleaned up after the

infestation is cleared), it is important to get rid of the insect in the most

expedient way possible.

It is like saying " I have some kind of big rodent in my house, and I don't know

what it is, but if I just keep putting some food out for it, maybe it will stop

biting my gerbil's tails off... " .

I really DO appreciate all these suggestions for what to spray in my house and

on my sheets, etc etc, and how to get healthy, so that the thing doesn't bite

me, but actually, since I have been away from the infested house and no longer

have any insects on me and biting me, I AM HEALTHY, AND HAVE GOTTEN MY WHOLE

HEALTH BACK IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS OF BEING FREE OF THE THING.

I have proven that I am not re-infesting my house, the bugs are living in my

house and getting on me every time I go there. I need to get it out of my house

to be rid if it.

How many thousands of dollars have people on this site spent trying temporary

fixes to deal with this thing? How many people on this site have attempted to

have a professional identify this insect? --and how many exterminators have

actually been willing to show up in the middle of the night to see the insect

when it is active? (Because for the most part, it's in the cracks and crevices

in the daytime, isn't it?)

Again, as I have said repeatedly, I CAN'T get borax or all these other things

over here and all these things are simply temporary fixes and the problem will

come back if not permanantly solved. There are people on this site who have been

trying to cope with this insect for years, aren't there? And if all these things

like mms and borax and mint were going to really work, then the the people who

have used them would have long ago proclaimed total success and wouldn't be

trying the next thing to come along.

My goal is to identify this bug and find out how to kill it in my house in order

to be free of it once and for all.

It is an insect. Unidentified yet, but still an insect.

It is a parasite because it bites and sucks blood and lymph.

It probably carries and transmits one or more serious diseases; being bitten led

to my having a lot of physical symptoms that I'd never experienced before

(tiredness, cloudy thinking, dark urine, blurred vision, etc). In less than 24

hours of being free of this bug, all these are gone.

It is disgusting to be living in an environment with these things.

I really do appreciate all of this, but I'm not looking for something that

" works well " because I will not live in an environment where these insects are,

even if it means not having a place to live at the moment. I just want to kill

them and get on with my life.

--- bird mites , Doe <doe1769@...> wrote:

>

> Hi UKcoffe

>

> The behavior you have listed is what I feel. I have never seen a bug or a

speck & #39; or fiber. I have felt the burn to the point my skin raised up like a

strawberry 1 inch X 2 inches and 1/8 high.I could not stop the burn , not with

sulfur creme, baby oil, dawn dish soap, turpentine, borax , nothing. Rita said

she went to the emergency room over the burning. I had to relase a 20 lb tank of

c02 in the car 2 times 1 day apart to stop the & quot;burner bug in the car

& quot; not all bites burn, I went these last 5 months with no burning, just in

the last week I am being hit by the bites that burn. Thank God a poster named

Frito posted Teds mange cure from earthclinic . com

> the mix is

> 16 oz peroxide

> 2 tbls borax

> 32 oz of water , it is easy to mix in 10 seconds it is as clear as water and

the peroxide is nuetralized by the borax and the peroxide causes the borax to

penetrate deep into the body. This mix stops the burn of the bug in 3 minutes

flat. It used to take 3-4 days for the burn to subside. I had a burning patch

once the size of a wallet on my back in February. So strange and hard to kill .

Baking soda is very strong in getting rid of them. See topix forum scabies arm

and hammer thread. Many are cured from this baking soda and or arm and hammer

laundry detergent , no bleach , no dyes , no scent

>

> google topix scabies & quot; arm and hammer skf & quot;

> it is very interesting. I belive it is the baking soda thet is the powerful

ingredient . It works well

>

>

>

> God bless you

>

> ,

> Bill

>

> ukcoffeelover wrote:

> >

> > hi all,

> > an update.

> > I have not been in an infested environment since Thursday.

> > I am mite free since I used 5% permethrin on my hair and skin Thursday. I

literally wiped hundreds of mites from my skin and hair; the permethrin killed

them.

> > I hot washed/dried my three sets of clothes 3 times in regular laundry soap.

They remain mite free.

> > I took apart my tiny asus and wiped it down with Jeyes Fluid which contains

creosote acids. It killed these mites (if that's what they are). The keyboard is

no longer attached at the top, but I don't care. I treated my cell phone and

other electronic equipment the same way and it worked and did not damage them. I

was told by my computer guy that I could freeze my laptops for 2 weeks without

damage if I wrapped them tightly in saran wrap (plastic food wrap) to keep out

any moisture; he said that it would not damage the screens. I haven't tried it,

as the Jeyes has worked.

> > Barry the bug guy called and said that the lab report said that my specimens

did NOT contain any mites. Barry also thinks I'm crazy/delusional, and said that

he can't help me anymore. That's good to know, so I can move on to someone else

who can. I have contacted another exterminator who will be sending a technician

to my house to investigate what this insect is.

> > I have contacted an old vet friend who wants a specimen to submit to her

much-used lab for identification. She wants to have the lab id the thing and

test it against a variety of chemicals to find out what will kill it. She is a

holistic vet and uses natural methods, homeopathy and naturopathy; but she is

very concerned at some of the behaviors of this insect (see my observations

below). She is adamant that this insect is NOT a bird mite, and definately not

D. gallinae. This is a vet who knows her stuff and been doing her thing for

several decades and she is known world-wide.

> > I have become aware that the infested house I rent was inhabited by a man

from Pakistan. I was staying at a boarding house (also owned by my landlord)

because my heating is broken in my house. My room in the boarding house was also

heavily infested. Both places have been rented by the same man (I verified this

through my landlord).

> > Some time ago, I ran across some news items and blogs on a US Army soldier

website that mentioned terrible, invisible biting insects encountered by

soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Soldiers were saying that they could not

get rid of this insect-- it got in their hair, on their skin, in their clothes

and gear; that the biting, burning itching was terrible. I have also read posts

on the mite section of asktheexterminator. com of soldiers families saying that

their family members returning from the middle east have brought some biting

insect home to their houses -that the thing is nearly invisible, making their

lives a misery, they can't get rid of it, etc, etc.

> > I am wondering if this biting insect has come from the middle east by way of

returning troops and spreading through contact and contamination of every day

objects and public spaces? I am trying to find the US Army news sites that I

read a while ago; any pointers from anyone who runs across them is appreciated.

> > It has been several days since I have encountered any of these

insects.During my last encounters, I observed some very unusual behavior, some

behavior that I find disturbing. Has anyone else noted the same behavior? Has

anyone noticed other different behavior?

> > The white, almost transparent worm-like or larva-like insects seem to drop

from the ceiling or the tops of walls onto me when I am standing still. I

suspect that they nest on the ceiling or near it at the tops of walls (perhaps

for warmth?). I think that they are attracted to heat sources and that is why

they drop onto someone standing still, rather than drop onto surfaces. If they

drop onto clothing, they quickly go through the cloth in order to get to the

skin. Once on the skin, they burrow their head into the dermal layer to feed.

They seem to eject a substance into the bite; initially, this substance burns

and stings, then numbs the wound so that the larva can feed without

interruption. All of this behavior is common to mites and other insects that

feed on mammalian lymph and blood. It is behavior that is common to arachnids

(spiders); mites (acara) are closely related to spiders.

> > Removing the insect manually from the skin is very difficult; it will resist

all attempts of removal, pulling them only results in stretching them until they

tear; any fluid from their bodies that gets on the skin stings and burns in the

same way as the bites.

> > I have observed these insects biting through a vinyl glove.

> > I have observed that for the most part, the larva-like insects are most

active at night. However the dark, gloomy winter days this far north are

virtually indistinguishable from dusk, and the insects are somewhat active

during these times. The insects do not seem to be active at all in bright

sunlight. (Has anyone tried using broad-spectrum lightbulbs in their house?)

> > I have observed these insects crawling into cotton fabric and wrapping

themselves around threads in such a way that it is nearly impossible to remove

them.

> > I have observed these insets dropping from the ceiling.

> > I have observed brown or black specks where the white larva-like insects

have been. But the brown or black specks seem to be inert. I do not understand

the connection; every black speck specimen that I have submitted to labs for

identification has been labeled " dirt " . It is not uncommon for many

entomologists to mistake mite cocoons for debris or dirt.

> > I have observed brown and black specks embedded in the fingertip of a vinyl

glove that was free of any imperfections when removed from the packaging.

> > I have observed tiny insects, tiny and light enough to float in the air,

drifting in hazy clouds in the indoor air of my house. This most commonly occurs

after sun rise, but before noon. Close inspection shows these insects to be oval

or oblong, and light to medium brown in color. When they land on the skin, a

burning sensation is felt.

> > By this post I am trying to compare information and experiences, respond to

a few new queries about the insects behavior and appearance, gather more

information for the people who are trying to help me figure this out and figure

out how to kill it. For anyone (like me) who would prefer to use more natural

and less toxic methods of eradication, please understand that I am not

advocating the use of toxic chemical insecticides, but what I have just tried

that actually worked. Now that I know for certain that they can be killed on my

skin, I will continue to look for the answer of how to kill them in my house.

> >

>

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Hey uk,

Glad to hear of your personal successes.

When you left your house, were you wearing clothes that were previously

infested, or not?

I say this because, I recently left my abode for almost 2 weeks, and although

the bugs came with me (in my clothes), the level of activity in my apartment

when I returned, was virtually non-existent.

D.

> > >

> > > hi all,

> > > an update.

> > > I have not been in an infested environment since Thursday.

> > > I am mite free since I used 5% permethrin on my hair and skin Thursday. I

literally wiped hundreds of mites from my skin and hair; the permethrin killed

them.

> > > I hot washed/dried my three sets of clothes 3 times in regular laundry

soap. They remain mite free.

> > > I took apart my tiny asus and wiped it down with Jeyes Fluid which

contains creosote acids. It killed these mites (if that's what they are). The

keyboard is no longer attached at the top, but I don't care. I treated my cell

phone and other electronic equipment the same way and it worked and did not

damage them. I was told by my computer guy that I could freeze my laptops for 2

weeks without damage if I wrapped them tightly in saran wrap (plastic food wrap)

to keep out any moisture; he said that it would not damage the screens. I

haven't tried it, as the Jeyes has worked.

> > > Barry the bug guy called and said that the lab report said that my

specimens did NOT contain any mites. Barry also thinks I'm crazy/delusional, and

said that he can't help me anymore. That's good to know, so I can move on to

someone else who can. I have contacted another exterminator who will be sending

a technician to my house to investigate what this insect is.

> > > I have contacted an old vet friend who wants a specimen to submit to her

much-used lab for identification. She wants to have the lab id the thing and

test it against a variety of chemicals to find out what will kill it. She is a

holistic vet and uses natural methods, homeopathy and naturopathy; but she is

very concerned at some of the behaviors of this insect (see my observations

below). She is adamant that this insect is NOT a bird mite, and definately not

D. gallinae. This is a vet who knows her stuff and been doing her thing for

several decades and she is known world-wide.

> > > I have become aware that the infested house I rent was inhabited by a man

from Pakistan. I was staying at a boarding house (also owned by my landlord)

because my heating is broken in my house. My room in the boarding house was also

heavily infested. Both places have been rented by the same man (I verified this

through my landlord).

> > > Some time ago, I ran across some news items and blogs on a US Army soldier

website that mentioned terrible, invisible biting insects encountered by

soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Soldiers were saying that they could not

get rid of this insect-- it got in their hair, on their skin, in their clothes

and gear; that the biting, burning itching was terrible. I have also read posts

on the mite section of asktheexterminator. com of soldiers families saying that

their family members returning from the middle east have brought some biting

insect home to their houses -that the thing is nearly invisible, making their

lives a misery, they can't get rid of it, etc, etc.

> > > I am wondering if this biting insect has come from the middle east by way

of returning troops and spreading through contact and contamination of every day

objects and public spaces? I am trying to find the US Army news sites that I

read a while ago; any pointers from anyone who runs across them is appreciated.

> > > It has been several days since I have encountered any of these

insects.During my last encounters, I observed some very unusual behavior, some

behavior that I find disturbing. Has anyone else noted the same behavior? Has

anyone noticed other different behavior?

> > > The white, almost transparent worm-like or larva-like insects seem to drop

from the ceiling or the tops of walls onto me when I am standing still. I

suspect that they nest on the ceiling or near it at the tops of walls (perhaps

for warmth?). I think that they are attracted to heat sources and that is why

they drop onto someone standing still, rather than drop onto surfaces. If they

drop onto clothing, they quickly go through the cloth in order to get to the

skin. Once on the skin, they burrow their head into the dermal layer to feed.

They seem to eject a substance into the bite; initially, this substance burns

and stings, then numbs the wound so that the larva can feed without

interruption. All of this behavior is common to mites and other insects that

feed on mammalian lymph and blood. It is behavior that is common to arachnids

(spiders); mites (acara) are closely related to spiders.

> > > Removing the insect manually from the skin is very difficult; it will

resist all attempts of removal, pulling them only results in stretching them

until they tear; any fluid from their bodies that gets on the skin stings and

burns in the same way as the bites.

> > > I have observed these insects biting through a vinyl glove.

> > > I have observed that for the most part, the larva-like insects are most

active at night. However the dark, gloomy winter days this far north are

virtually indistinguishable from dusk, and the insects are somewhat active

during these times. The insects do not seem to be active at all in bright

sunlight. (Has anyone tried using broad-spectrum lightbulbs in their house?)

> > > I have observed these insects crawling into cotton fabric and wrapping

themselves around threads in such a way that it is nearly impossible to remove

them.

> > > I have observed these insets dropping from the ceiling.

> > > I have observed brown or black specks where the white larva-like insects

have been. But the brown or black specks seem to be inert. I do not understand

the connection; every black speck specimen that I have submitted to labs for

identification has been labeled " dirt " . It is not uncommon for many

entomologists to mistake mite cocoons for debris or dirt.

> > > I have observed brown and black specks embedded in the fingertip of a

vinyl glove that was free of any imperfections when removed from the packaging.

> > > I have observed tiny insects, tiny and light enough to float in the air,

drifting in hazy clouds in the indoor air of my house. This most commonly occurs

after sun rise, but before noon. Close inspection shows these insects to be oval

or oblong, and light to medium brown in color. When they land on the skin, a

burning sensation is felt.

> > > By this post I am trying to compare information and experiences, respond

to a few new queries about the insects behavior and appearance, gather more

information for the people who are trying to help me figure this out and figure

out how to kill it. For anyone (like me) who would prefer to use more natural

and less toxic methods of eradication, please understand that I am not

advocating the use of toxic chemical insecticides, but what I have just tried

that actually worked. Now that I know for certain that they can be killed on my

skin, I will continue to look for the answer of how to kill them in my house.

> > >

> >

>

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Hi D,

I left the boarding house wearing infested clothes.

I took all the other clothes i had in my disposable shopping bags to the public

laundromat, washed and dried them 3 times.

I got a room in another place and put permethrin on my hair/skin, and put on

uninfested clothes. I bagged tightly, the infested clothes that I had been

wearing when I left the boarding house.

In the morning, I showered off all the " mites " , re-dressed in uninfected

clothes, went to the public laundry and re-washed all the clothes I had with me

except for what I was wearing. I was careful not to touch dirty clothes each

time I washed them (shove the plastic bag in the washer, rip it slightly and

shake -gently!- the clothes in without touching.)

I have not been back to the boarding house or inside my rented house since. I

went to my rented house late in the afternoon and leaned inside the kitchen door

to grab my cell phone charger but did not go inside.

I am still free of this insect on my body or in my hair, in my clothes and

personal things.

From Thursday to Monday I am still bug-free.

I am thinking that your re-infestation came about from your suitcase or

backpack?

Maybe the insects went somewhere else to get a meal while you were out?

After all, they probably go where there is something to eat.

I have been away from the rented house twice, each time for several days. The

insects seem to still be there when I return.

> > > >

> > > > hi all,

> > > > an update.

> > > > I have not been in an infested environment since Thursday.

> > > > I am mite free since I used 5% permethrin on my hair and skin Thursday.

I literally wiped hundreds of mites from my skin and hair; the permethrin killed

them.

> > > > I hot washed/dried my three sets of clothes 3 times in regular laundry

soap. They remain mite free.

> > > > I took apart my tiny asus and wiped it down with Jeyes Fluid which

contains creosote acids. It killed these mites (if that's what they are). The

keyboard is no longer attached at the top, but I don't care. I treated my cell

phone and other electronic equipment the same way and it worked and did not

damage them. I was told by my computer guy that I could freeze my laptops for 2

weeks without damage if I wrapped them tightly in saran wrap (plastic food wrap)

to keep out any moisture; he said that it would not damage the screens. I

haven't tried it, as the Jeyes has worked.

> > > > Barry the bug guy called and said that the lab report said that my

specimens did NOT contain any mites. Barry also thinks I'm crazy/delusional, and

said that he can't help me anymore. That's good to know, so I can move on to

someone else who can. I have contacted another exterminator who will be sending

a technician to my house to investigate what this insect is.

> > > > I have contacted an old vet friend who wants a specimen to submit to her

much-used lab for identification. She wants to have the lab id the thing and

test it against a variety of chemicals to find out what will kill it. She is a

holistic vet and uses natural methods, homeopathy and naturopathy; but she is

very concerned at some of the behaviors of this insect (see my observations

below). She is adamant that this insect is NOT a bird mite, and definately not

D. gallinae. This is a vet who knows her stuff and been doing her thing for

several decades and she is known world-wide.

> > > > I have become aware that the infested house I rent was inhabited by a

man from Pakistan. I was staying at a boarding house (also owned by my landlord)

because my heating is broken in my house. My room in the boarding house was also

heavily infested. Both places have been rented by the same man (I verified this

through my landlord).

> > > > Some time ago, I ran across some news items and blogs on a US Army

soldier website that mentioned terrible, invisible biting insects encountered by

soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Soldiers were saying that they could not

get rid of this insect-- it got in their hair, on their skin, in their clothes

and gear; that the biting, burning itching was terrible. I have also read posts

on the mite section of asktheexterminator. com of soldiers families saying that

their family members returning from the middle east have brought some biting

insect home to their houses -that the thing is nearly invisible, making their

lives a misery, they can't get rid of it, etc, etc.

> > > > I am wondering if this biting insect has come from the middle east by

way of returning troops and spreading through contact and contamination of every

day objects and public spaces? I am trying to find the US Army news sites that I

read a while ago; any pointers from anyone who runs across them is appreciated.

> > > > It has been several days since I have encountered any of these

insects.During my last encounters, I observed some very unusual behavior, some

behavior that I find disturbing. Has anyone else noted the same behavior? Has

anyone noticed other different behavior?

> > > > The white, almost transparent worm-like or larva-like insects seem to

drop from the ceiling or the tops of walls onto me when I am standing still. I

suspect that they nest on the ceiling or near it at the tops of walls (perhaps

for warmth?). I think that they are attracted to heat sources and that is why

they drop onto someone standing still, rather than drop onto surfaces. If they

drop onto clothing, they quickly go through the cloth in order to get to the

skin. Once on the skin, they burrow their head into the dermal layer to feed.

They seem to eject a substance into the bite; initially, this substance burns

and stings, then numbs the wound so that the larva can feed without

interruption. All of this behavior is common to mites and other insects that

feed on mammalian lymph and blood. It is behavior that is common to arachnids

(spiders); mites (acara) are closely related to spiders.

> > > > Removing the insect manually from the skin is very difficult; it will

resist all attempts of removal, pulling them only results in stretching them

until they tear; any fluid from their bodies that gets on the skin stings and

burns in the same way as the bites.

> > > > I have observed these insects biting through a vinyl glove.

> > > > I have observed that for the most part, the larva-like insects are most

active at night. However the dark, gloomy winter days this far north are

virtually indistinguishable from dusk, and the insects are somewhat active

during these times. The insects do not seem to be active at all in bright

sunlight. (Has anyone tried using broad-spectrum lightbulbs in their house?)

> > > > I have observed these insects crawling into cotton fabric and wrapping

themselves around threads in such a way that it is nearly impossible to remove

them.

> > > > I have observed these insets dropping from the ceiling.

> > > > I have observed brown or black specks where the white larva-like insects

have been. But the brown or black specks seem to be inert. I do not understand

the connection; every black speck specimen that I have submitted to labs for

identification has been labeled " dirt " . It is not uncommon for many

entomologists to mistake mite cocoons for debris or dirt.

> > > > I have observed brown and black specks embedded in the fingertip of a

vinyl glove that was free of any imperfections when removed from the packaging.

> > > > I have observed tiny insects, tiny and light enough to float in the air,

drifting in hazy clouds in the indoor air of my house. This most commonly occurs

after sun rise, but before noon. Close inspection shows these insects to be oval

or oblong, and light to medium brown in color. When they land on the skin, a

burning sensation is felt.

> > > > By this post I am trying to compare information and experiences, respond

to a few new queries about the insects behavior and appearance, gather more

information for the people who are trying to help me figure this out and figure

out how to kill it. For anyone (like me) who would prefer to use more natural

and less toxic methods of eradication, please understand that I am not

advocating the use of toxic chemical insecticides, but what I have just tried

that actually worked. Now that I know for certain that they can be killed on my

skin, I will continue to look for the answer of how to kill them in my house.

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Hi Ukcoffe

The answer is heat treat your house with turbo heaters in the windows to 170

degrees every saturday for 5 saturdays. Keep the heaters up above floor level ,

I heard some floors warp, but not all . Good luck with the pesticide , it will

take a truckload.

Baiting the bug is how ants are killed. Borax , or for you boric acid & honey

kills all ants in 3 day if you can get them to find the bait. Possibly there is

a bait for this bug , it loves chicken & gets excited while it is cooked , maybe

chicken soaked in borax ( boric acid for the UK people) .

Keep up the hunt UK and don & #39;t forget about us. We all battle as hard as we

can to kill it . Rita used Permiterin 60 times. Mel 120 times . Rita drenches

her house in pesticide . Tempo brand. , before that, raid ant and roach killer.

Rita says she ahs killed it in her house , now for the yard , for me the docks

& the parks & the woods. I will need a lot of pesticide. I pick it up all the

time . Some times I go to jobs where it lives and reinfests my clothes body &

truck .Tough affilctoin , dosent touch my workers or my brother. or my mom Prais

God for that. Can you see why some say to get healthy to beat it ? Because it

dosent afflict everybody only some. The police station in MA had it , I wonder

what they did to end the bugs stronghold. . I will call them tomorrow. I called

them when I saw the new on the net , the office r said many of the guys were

being bit up , they told me to call back in the day .

birdmite in the Stamford Police Department. 8/13/09

203-977-4958

Jesus is Lord ,

Fall down and worship Him

,

Bill

ukcoffeelover wrote:

>  

> I really appreciate all the positive feedback to my posts.

> It has been interesting to see all the creative solutions that people are

coming up with to deal with this insect, and to read the formulas of mixed

compounds people have made up in order to obtain some relief.

> It is worth noting, though, that what I and so many others are dealing with is

JUST an insect; yes it is a parasitical insect, and likely carries one or more

diseases (rickettesial or encephalitic, for example), but it is just an insect

and can be killed if identified. Because this insect is so hard to capture and

has been mis-identified so many times by the same labs (over and over), it is

likely that this insect is not indigenous to the areas where it seems to be

causing so much trouble and grief (aren't the majority of posters to this site

largely from the US and UK?). I strongly suspect that this insect is coming home

with returning troops.

> The reason it is important to actually identify this insect is because once it

is id'd people will know how to get rid of it in their environment.

> The reason that people keep getting it on their skin, and keep getting bitten

by it is because it is living in people's houses.

> Instead of trying to merely cope with having some marginal success in not

getting bitten as often as possible by spraying the house with a cocktail of

mixed chemicals or products which can, over the long run be as toxic as a single

blast of pesticide in the home (and which can be cleaned up after the

infestation is cleared), it is important to get rid of the insect in the most

expedient way possible.

> It is like saying " I have some kind of big rodent in my house, and I don't

know what it is, but if I just keep putting some food out for it, maybe it will

stop biting my gerbil's tails off... " .

> I really DO appreciate all these suggestions for what to spray in my house and

on my sheets, etc etc, and how to get healthy, so that the thing doesn't bite

me, but actually, since I have been away from the infested house and no longer

have any insects on me and biting me, I AM HEALTHY, AND HAVE GOTTEN MY WHOLE

HEALTH BACK IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS OF BEING FREE OF THE THING.

> I have proven that I am not re-infesting my house, the bugs are living in my

house and getting on me every time I go there. I need to get it out of my house

to be rid if it.

> How many thousands of dollars have people on this site spent trying temporary

fixes to deal with this thing? How many people on this site have attempted to

have a professional identify this insect? --and how many exterminators have

actually been willing to show up in the middle of the night to see the insect

when it is active? (Because for the most part, it's in the cracks and crevices

in the daytime, isn't it?)

> Again, as I have said repeatedly, I CAN'T get borax or all these other things

over here and all these things are simply temporary fixes and the problem will

come back if not permanantly solved. There are people on this site who have been

trying to cope with this insect for years, aren't there? And if all these things

like mms and borax and mint were going to really work, then the the people who

have used them would have long ago proclaimed total success and wouldn't be

trying the next thing to come along.

> My goal is to identify this bug and find out how to kill it in my house in

order to be free of it once and for all.

> It is an insect. Unidentified yet, but still an insect.

> It is a parasite because it bites and sucks blood and lymph.

> It probably carries and transmits one or more serious diseases; being bitten

led to my having a lot of physical symptoms that I'd never experienced before

(tiredness, cloudy thinking, dark urine, blurred vision, etc). In less than 24

hours of being free of this bug, all these are gone.

> It is disgusting to be living in an environment with these things.

> I really do appreciate all of this, but I'm not looking for something that

" works well " because I will not live in an environment where these insects are,

even if it means not having a place to live at the moment. I just want to kill

them and get on with my life.

> --- bird mites , Doe <doe1769@... > wrote:

>>

>> Hi UKcoffe

>>

>> The behavior you have listed is what I feel. I have never seen a bug or a

speck & #39; or fiber. I have felt the burn to the point my skin raised up like a

strawberry 1 inch X 2 inches and 1/8 high.I could not stop the burn , not with

sulfur creme, baby oil, dawn dish soap, turpentine, borax , nothing. Rita said

she went to the emergency room over the burning. I had to relase a 20 lb tank of

c02 in the car 2 times 1 day apart to stop the & quot;burner bug in the car

& quot; not all bites burn, I went these last 5 months with no burning, just in

the last week I am being hit by the bites that burn. Thank God a poster named

Frito posted Teds mange cure from earthclinic . com

>> the mix is

>> 16 oz peroxide

>> 2 tbls borax

>> 32 oz of water , it is easy to mix in 10 seconds it is as clear as water and

the peroxide is nuetralized by the borax and the peroxide causes the borax to

penetrate deep into the body. This mix stops the burn of the bug in 3 minutes

flat. It used to take 3-4 days for the burn to subside. I had a burning patch

once the size of a wallet on my back in February. So strange and hard to kill .

Baking soda is very strong in getting rid of them. See topix forum scabies arm

and hammer thread. Many are cured from this baking soda and or arm and hammer

laundry detergent , no bleach , no dyes , no scent

>>

>> google topix scabies & quot; arm and hammer skf & quot;

>> it is very interesting. I belive it is the baking soda thet is the powerful

ingredient . It works well

>>

>>

>>

>> God bless you

>>

>> ,

>> Bill

>>

>> ukcoffeelover wrote:

>> >

>> > hi all,

>> > an update.

>> > I have not been in an infested environment since Thursday.

>> > I am mite free since I used 5% permethrin on my hair and skin Thursday. I

literally wiped hundreds of mites from my skin and hair; the permethrin killed

them.

>> > I hot washed/dried my three sets of clothes 3 times in regular laundry

soap. They remain mite free.

>> > I took apart my tiny asus and wiped it down with Jeyes Fluid which contains

creosote acids. It killed these mites (if that's what they are). The keyboard is

no longer attached at the top, but I don't care. I treated my cell phone and

other electronic equipment the same way and it worked and did not damage them. I

was told by my computer guy that I could freeze my laptops for 2 weeks without

damage if I wrapped them tightly in saran wrap (plastic food wrap) to keep out

any moisture; he said that it would not damage the screens. I haven't tried it,

as the Jeyes has worked.

>> > Barry the bug guy called and said that the lab report said that my

specimens did NOT contain any mites. Barry also thinks I'm crazy/delusional, and

said that he can't help me anymore. That's good to know, so I can move on to

someone else who can. I have contacted another exterminator who will be sending

a technician to my house to investigate what this insect is.

>> > I have contacted an old vet friend who wants a specimen to submit to her

much-used lab for identification. She wants to have the lab id the thing and

test it against a variety of chemicals to find out what will kill it. She is a

holistic vet and uses natural methods, homeopathy and naturopathy; but she is

very concerned at some of the behaviors of this insect (see my observations

below). She is adamant that this insect is NOT a bird mite, and definately not

D. gallinae. This is a vet who knows her stuff and been doing her thing for

several decades and she is known world-wide.

>> > I have become aware that the infested house I rent was inhabited by a man

from Pakistan. I was staying at a boarding house (also owned by my landlord)

because my heating is broken in my house. My room in the boarding house was also

heavily infested. Both places have been rented by the same man (I verified this

through my landlord).

>> > Some time ago, I ran across some news items and blogs on a US Army soldier

website that mentioned terrible, invisible biting insects encountered by

soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Soldiers were saying that they could not

get rid of this insect-- it got in their hair, on their skin, in their clothes

and gear; that the biting, burning itching was terrible. I have also read posts

on the mite section of asktheexterminator. com of soldiers families saying that

their family members returning from the middle east have brought some biting

insect home to their houses -that the thing is nearly invisible, making their

lives a misery, they can't get rid of it, etc, etc.

>> > I am wondering if this biting insect has come from the middle east by way

of returning troops and spreading through contact and contamination of every day

objects and public spaces? I am trying to find the US Army news sites that I

read a while ago; any pointers from anyone who runs across them is appreciated.

>> > It has been several days since I have encountered any of these

insects.During my last encounters, I observed some very unusual behavior, some

behavior that I find disturbing. Has anyone else noted the same behavior? Has

anyone noticed other different behavior?

>> > The white, almost transparent worm-like or larva-like insects seem to drop

from the ceiling or the tops of walls onto me when I am standing still. I

suspect that they nest on the ceiling or near it at the tops of walls (perhaps

for warmth?). I think that they are attracted to heat sources and that is why

they drop onto someone standing still, rather than drop onto surfaces. If they

drop onto clothing, they quickly go through the cloth in order to get to the

skin. Once on the skin, they burrow their head into the dermal layer to feed.

They seem to eject a substance into the bite; initially, this substance burns

and stings, then numbs the wound so that the larva can feed without

interruption. All of this behavior is common to mites and other insects that

feed on mammalian lymph and blood. It is behavior that is common to arachnids

(spiders); mites (acara) are closely related to spiders.

>> > Removing the insect manually from the skin is very difficult; it will

resist all attempts of removal, pulling them only results in stretching them

until they tear; any fluid from their bodies that gets on the skin stings and

burns in the same way as the bites.

>> > I have observed these insects biting through a vinyl glove.

>> > I have observed that for the most part, the larva-like insects are most

active at night. However the dark, gloomy winter days this far north are

virtually indistinguishable from dusk, and the insects are somewhat active

during these times. The insects do not seem to be active at all in bright

sunlight. (Has anyone tried using broad-spectrum lightbulbs in their house?)

>> > I have observed these insects crawling into cotton fabric and wrapping

themselves around threads in such a way that it is nearly impossible to remove

them.

>> > I have observed these insets dropping from the ceiling.

>> > I have observed brown or black specks where the white larva-like insects

have been. But the brown or black specks seem to be inert. I do not understand

the connection; every black speck specimen that I have submitted to labs for

identification has been labeled " dirt " . It is not uncommon for many

entomologists to mistake mite cocoons for debris or dirt.

>> > I have observed brown and black specks embedded in the fingertip of a vinyl

glove that was free of any imperfections when removed from the packaging.

>> > I have observed tiny insects, tiny and light enough to float in the air,

drifting in hazy clouds in the indoor air of my house. This most commonly occurs

after sun rise, but before noon. Close inspection shows these insects to be oval

or oblong, and light to medium brown in color. When they land on the skin, a

burning sensation is felt.

>> > By this post I am trying to compare information and experiences, respond to

a few new queries about the insects behavior and appearance, gather more

information for the people who are trying to help me figure this out and figure

out how to kill it. For anyone (like me) who would prefer to use more natural

and less toxic methods of eradication, please understand that I am not

advocating the use of toxic chemical insecticides, but what I have just tried

that actually worked. Now that I know for certain that they can be killed on my

skin, I will continue to look for the answer of how to kill them in my house.

>> >

>>

>

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Hi Bill,

I cant afford those types of heaters -if they even are available here in the UK.

(I spent 7 hours going from drugstore to drugstore and grocery store to grocery

store just looking for arm Hammer detergent, borax or rubbing alcohol. I am

simply exhausted!!)

Can you WILL you call the Stamford Police Dept and find out what they had, and

how to get rid if it??

Can you, will you do that TODAY, Bill?

I cant call from here as I only have a cell phone, not a lind line.

I did meet with the exterminator at my rented house earlier. He couldnt find

anything, not even cocoons on the walls or ceilings. He said he is stumped, but

he does believe me that there is something there. I told him that it is only

active at night, and asked could he come at night and see for himself what is

going on. He said that they don't go to people's houses at night (people are

pretty lazy here), and they usually ask the homeowner to supply them with a

sample for an I.D.

I don't really want to go there, and get bit up and infested clothes, etc again.

I might have to. I only have one more night booked into the hotel and am unable

to afford any more nights.

ONE OF US must be able to get some I.D> on this thing, eventually.

No, I will not give up, and I will not forget anyone on this group site....

we're all in this together....

We gotta hold on to what we got

It doesnt matter if we make it or not (well not really)

We got each other and that's a lot.

Take my hand and I'll lead you home,

Feel my heart you're not alone.

Well, actually, I am praying all the time, my church ad Bishop are trying to

help (they paid for the hotel for 2 nights), and they believe me.

I am praying all the time, and beseeching constantly.

Partially my prayers have been answered, I am still bug-free and have a place

out of the rain to sleep tonight. That's quite a lot, considering that this bug

has made me homeless for the last month!!

Please call the Stamford Police Dept and find out what they know, and post it

asap. If a few of us try their solution, maybe we can ALL be free of this menace

once and for all.

Cheers,UK

>

> Hi Ukcoffe

>

> The answer is heat treat your house with turbo heaters in the windows to 170

degrees every saturday for 5 saturdays. Keep the heaters up above floor level ,

I heard some floors warp, but not all . Good luck with the pesticide , it will

take a truckload.

> Baiting the bug is how ants are killed. Borax , or for you boric acid & honey

kills all ants in 3 day if you can get them to find the bait. Possibly there is

a bait for this bug , it loves chicken & gets excited while it is cooked , maybe

chicken soaked in borax ( boric acid for the UK people) .

>

> Keep up the hunt UK and don & #39;t forget about us. We all battle as hard as

we can to kill it . Rita used Permiterin 60 times. Mel 120 times . Rita drenches

her house in pesticide . Tempo brand. , before that, raid ant and roach killer.

Rita says she ahs killed it in her house , now for the yard , for me the docks

& the parks & the woods. I will need a lot of pesticide. I pick it up all the

time . Some times I go to jobs where it lives and reinfests my clothes body &

truck .Tough affilctoin , dosent touch my workers or my brother. or my mom Prais

God for that. Can you see why some say to get healthy to beat it ? Because it

dosent afflict everybody only some. The police station in MA had it , I wonder

what they did to end the bugs stronghold. . I will call them tomorrow. I called

them when I saw the new on the net , the office r said many of the guys were

being bit up , they told me to call back in the day .

>

> birdmite in the Stamford Police Department. 8/13/09

> 203-977-4958

>

>

> Jesus is Lord ,

> Fall down and worship Him

>

> ,

> Bill

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Hi ukcoffeeloverI agree with the goal of getting rid of the main offender, instead of continuing to put a band-aide on the situation --But there are many variables... are we all dealing with this same weird mutant insect, or are we just attracting all sorts of new kinds of insects,[ depending upon where we live and the critters that are in our environment] because of the fungus within our bodies?--being new to this, I am not sure you know that a fungus/ biofilm is a big equation of this infection, as far as morgellons is concerned. I scrub this brown gooey substance off of my body which I am assuming is the biofilm, albeit have to mention here that this has become less and less each month. So here lies the confusion, controversy and complications... do we all have the same thing? I would doubt this, but it is interesting that most of us have the same symptoms. The fact that you are completely free of this from just moving out of your environment tells me that you might not have the morgellons parasitic infection, but an resilient and annoying insect infestation...there is a difference. Or could it be that you caught this in time before the parasitic infection took hold of your immune system...? It is for these very reasons that we need researchers out there helping us because at this point, we are all just grasping at straws, hoping for answers and a cure, but mainly settling for just being happy to keep comfortable.I would be very interested to hear when or if you get a positive ID, but I suspect we are dealing with something new and therefore still unclassified. Please keep us posted!!!LovePdidit

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UK, you have raised an interesting point. Years ago, while living in Doha, Qatar, we were attacked by invisible bugs. We moved. I now live in Missouri, USA. It is clear that my house is infested. Terminix hasn't helped. I gave them the blacks specks to try and identify a mite---nothing... Apparently, it is all in my head, LOL. It's very easy to infect others, infect cars, other homes---clothing is a major issue. I felt great improvement when I left my home, however, my teenagers have it and it is difficult to get them to comply with treatments. I hope you are rid of the plague for good. I also hope that someone out there can tell us what this is----what are the black specks, etc... Thank you for sharing your information and best of luck to you :))

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I think many of us are very happy you have joined the room and have higher hopes

with you helping us K.

> > >

> > > hi all,

> > > an update.

> > > I have not been in an infested environment since Thursday.

> > > I am mite free since I used 5% permethrin on my hair and skin Thursday. I

literally wiped hundreds of mites from my skin and hair; the permethrin killed

them.

> > > I hot washed/dried my three sets of clothes 3 times in regular laundry

soap. They remain mite free.

> > > I took apart my tiny asus and wiped it down with Jeyes Fluid which

contains creosote acids. It killed these mites (if that's what they are). The

keyboard is no longer attached at the top, but I don't care. I treated my cell

phone and other electronic equipment the same way and it worked and did not

damage them. I was told by my computer guy that I could freeze my laptops for 2

weeks without damage if I wrapped them tightly in saran wrap (plastic food wrap)

to keep out any moisture; he said that it would not damage the screens. I

haven't tried it, as the Jeyes has worked.

> > > Barry the bug guy called and said that the lab report said that my

specimens did NOT contain any mites. Barry also thinks I'm crazy/delusional, and

said that he can't help me anymore. That's good to know, so I can move on to

someone else who can. I have contacted another exterminator who will be sending

a technician to my house to investigate what this insect is.

> > > I have contacted an old vet friend who wants a specimen to submit to her

much-used lab for identification. She wants to have the lab id the thing and

test it against a variety of chemicals to find out what will kill it. She is a

holistic vet and uses natural methods, homeopathy and naturopathy; but she is

very concerned at some of the behaviors of this insect (see my observations

below). She is adamant that this insect is NOT a bird mite, and definately not

D. gallinae. This is a vet who knows her stuff and been doing her thing for

several decades and she is known world-wide.

> > > I have become aware that the infested house I rent was inhabited by a man

from Pakistan. I was staying at a boarding house (also owned by my landlord)

because my heating is broken in my house. My room in the boarding house was also

heavily infested. Both places have been rented by the same man (I verified this

through my landlord).

> > > Some time ago, I ran across some news items and blogs on a US Army soldier

website that mentioned terrible, invisible biting insects encountered by

soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Soldiers were saying that they could not

get rid of this insect-- it got in their hair, on their skin, in their clothes

and gear; that the biting, burning itching was terrible. I have also read posts

on the mite section of asktheexterminator. com of soldiers families saying that

their family members returning from the middle east have brought some biting

insect home to their houses -that the thing is nearly invisible, making their

lives a misery, they can't get rid of it, etc, etc.

> > > I am wondering if this biting insect has come from the middle east by way

of returning troops and spreading through contact and contamination of every day

objects and public spaces? I am trying to find the US Army news sites that I

read a while ago; any pointers from anyone who runs across them is appreciated.

> > > It has been several days since I have encountered any of these

insects.During my last encounters, I observed some very unusual behavior, some

behavior that I find disturbing. Has anyone else noted the same behavior? Has

anyone noticed other different behavior?

> > > The white, almost transparent worm-like or larva-like insects seem to drop

from the ceiling or the tops of walls onto me when I am standing still. I

suspect that they nest on the ceiling or near it at the tops of walls (perhaps

for warmth?). I think that they are attracted to heat sources and that is why

they drop onto someone standing still, rather than drop onto surfaces. If they

drop onto clothing, they quickly go through the cloth in order to get to the

skin. Once on the skin, they burrow their head into the dermal layer to feed.

They seem to eject a substance into the bite; initially, this substance burns

and stings, then numbs the wound so that the larva can feed without

interruption. All of this behavior is common to mites and other insects that

feed on mammalian lymph and blood. It is behavior that is common to arachnids

(spiders); mites (acara) are closely related to spiders.

> > > Removing the insect manually from the skin is very difficult; it will

resist all attempts of removal, pulling them only results in stretching them

until they tear; any fluid from their bodies that gets on the skin stings and

burns in the same way as the bites.

> > > I have observed these insects biting through a vinyl glove.

> > > I have observed that for the most part, the larva-like insects are most

active at night. However the dark, gloomy winter days this far north are

virtually indistinguishable from dusk, and the insects are somewhat active

during these times. The insects do not seem to be active at all in bright

sunlight. (Has anyone tried using broad-spectrum lightbulbs in their house?)

> > > I have observed these insects crawling into cotton fabric and wrapping

themselves around threads in such a way that it is nearly impossible to remove

them.

> > > I have observed these insets dropping from the ceiling.

> > > I have observed brown or black specks where the white larva-like insects

have been. But the brown or black specks seem to be inert. I do not understand

the connection; every black speck specimen that I have submitted to labs for

identification has been labeled " dirt " . It is not uncommon for many

entomologists to mistake mite cocoons for debris or dirt.

> > > I have observed brown and black specks embedded in the fingertip of a

vinyl glove that was free of any imperfections when removed from the packaging.

> > > I have observed tiny insects, tiny and light enough to float in the air,

drifting in hazy clouds in the indoor air of my house. This most commonly occurs

after sun rise, but before noon. Close inspection shows these insects to be oval

or oblong, and light to medium brown in color. When they land on the skin, a

burning sensation is felt.

> > > By this post I am trying to compare information and experiences, respond

to a few new queries about the insects behavior and appearance, gather more

information for the people who are trying to help me figure this out and figure

out how to kill it. For anyone (like me) who would prefer to use more natural

and less toxic methods of eradication, please understand that I am not

advocating the use of toxic chemical insecticides, but what I have just tried

that actually worked. Now that I know for certain that they can be killed on my

skin, I will continue to look for the answer of how to kill them in my house.

> > >

> >

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Hi, Pdidit,

There are some interesting points in your last post.

No, I do not have any fungal or yeast infections, and never have had any.

I don't have a biofilm on my body, either. My skin is clear, and when I bathe or

shower, the only thing that comes off in the rinse is soap bubbles.

I have been exposed to this " whatever bug I am dealing with " for nearly three

months. I have repeatedly used permethrin lotion 5% to remove them from my skin

and hair, but kept getting re-infested each time I re-entered whatever

environment I was encountering them in at the time (I have found them in 3

environments).

That's why I believe that my environment infests me, rather than Me infesting my

environment. For example, since I have been bug free on Thursday, I have been in

two hotels for 2 nights each, and neither of those places have any evidence of

being infested with these " bugs " , and I continue to be bug free.

The question that you ask which is so important is:

are we all dealing with the same bug?

That cannot be answered until several of us have identified the buig that we are

individually dealing with. And it would seem from many past posts that the bug

is wretchedly hard to capture for sending to a lab. I wonder why?

It is indisputable that we are all dealing with some sort of biting insect

because we all have physical evidence of some sort of insect bites on our skin.

I myself have had 3 doctor verify that I have had insect bites on my body, but

none has any idea what the insect might be that has bitten me. Their suggestion

has been to see a pest control specialist or exterminator to treat my

environment.

I'm having a difficult time finding one that will actually drag his sorry self

out of bed at 3am to come to my house and see first hand what I am dealing with,

though.

I also don't understand the connection between the biting bugs and morgellons,

or of there is any connection at all.

I don't think that I have morgs, but I am convinced that I do have some sort of

biting insect in my environment.

Hopefully bill will contact the Stamford Police Department and find out what was

in their offices and biting their officers and how they got rid of it. I can't

do that from the UK, though because I have no land line telephone.

Keep thinking, your thoughts are good and making us think harder about this

problem.

All love,

UK

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You are on the right track. After my second year of fighting these things I learned that it was going to take a very heavy hand to kill this "thing". The second doctor I saw gave my husband and I six months of permenthrin cream to use while our two little dogs were put through the dipping and the invermectin shots. Our skin got better using the permenthrine cream and we almost thought we had beat the infestation but I was new to all of this and didn't realize how infested my environment. If I had only known how to treat my environment at the same time I was having the permenthrine given to me I might have over come this nightmare in the very beginning. Please keep us informed on all your attempts to get this creature identified. I would love to know what this "thing" really is and where it came from. Thank you for posting your findings, Rita

Re: mite free for 3 days because I left the house

I really appreciate all the positive feedback to my posts.It has been interesting to see all the creative solutions that people are coming up with to deal with this insect, and to read the formulas of mixed compounds people have made up in order to obtain some relief. It is worth noting, though, that what I and so many others are dealing with is JUST an insect; yes it is a parasitical insect, and likely carries one or more diseases (rickettesial or encephalitic, for example), but it is just an insect and can be killed if identified. Because this insect is so hard to capture and has been mis-identified so many times by the same labs (over and over), it is likely that this insect is not indigenous to the areas where it seems to be causing so much trouble and grief (aren't the majority of posters to this site largely from the US and UK?). I strongly suspect that this insect is coming home with returning troops.The reason it is important to actually identify this insect is because once it is id'd people will know how to get rid of it in their environment. The reason that people keep getting it on their skin, and keep getting bitten by it is because it is living in people's houses. Instead of trying to merely cope with having some marginal success in not getting bitten as often as possible by spraying the house with a cocktail of mixed chemicals or products which can, over the long run be as toxic as a single blast of pesticide in the home (and which can be cleaned up after the infestation is cleared), it is important to get rid of the insect in the most expedient way possible. It is like saying "I have some kind of big rodent in my house, and I don't know what it is, but if I just keep putting some food out for it, maybe it will stop biting my gerbil's tails off...". I really DO appreciate all these suggestions for what to spray in my house and on my sheets, etc etc, and how to get healthy, so that the thing doesn't bite me, but actually, since I have been away from the infested house and no longer have any insects on me and biting me, I AM HEALTHY, AND HAVE GOTTEN MY WHOLE HEALTH BACK IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS OF BEING FREE OF THE THING.I have proven that I am not re-infesting my house, the bugs are living in my house and getting on me every time I go there. I need to get it out of my house to be rid if it. How many thousands of dollars have people on this site spent trying temporary fixes to deal with this thing? How many people on this site have attempted to have a professional identify this insect? --and how many exterminators have actually been willing to show up in the middle of the night to see the insect when it is active? (Because for the most part, it's in the cracks and crevices in the daytime, isn't it?)Again, as I have said repeatedly, I CAN'T get borax or all these other things over here and all these things are simply temporary fixes and the problem will come back if not permanantly solved. There are people on this site who have been trying to cope with this insect for years, aren't there? And if all these things like mms and borax and mint were going to really work, then the the people who have used them would have long ago proclaimed total success and wouldn't be trying the next thing to come along. My goal is to identify this bug and find out how to kill it in my house in order to be free of it once and for all. It is an insect. Unidentified yet, but still an insect.It is a parasite because it bites and sucks blood and lymph.It probably carries and transmits one or more serious diseases; being bitten led to my having a lot of physical symptoms that I'd never experienced before (tiredness, cloudy thinking, dark urine, blurred vision, etc). In less than 24 hours of being free of this bug, all these are gone.It is disgusting to be living in an environment with these things. I really do appreciate all of this, but I'm not looking for something that "works well" because I will not live in an environment where these insects are, even if it means not having a place to live at the moment. I just want to kill them and get on with my life.--- bird mites , Doe <doe1769@...> wrote:>> Hi UKcoffe> > The behavior you have listed is what I feel. I have never seen a bug or a speck & #39; or fiber. I have felt the burn to the point my skin raised up like a strawberry 1 inch X 2 inches and 1/8 high.I could not stop the burn , not with sulfur creme, baby oil, dawn dish soap, turpentine, borax , nothing. Rita said she went to the emergency room over the burning. I had to relase a 20 lb tank of c02 in the car 2 times 1 day apart to stop the & quot;burner bug in the car & quot; not all bites burn, I went these last 5 months with no burning, just in the last week I am being hit by the bites that burn. Thank God a poster named Frito posted Teds mange cure from earthclinic . com > the mix is > 16 oz peroxide> 2 tbls borax > 32 oz of water , it is easy to mix in 10 seconds it is as clear as water and the peroxide is nuetralized by the borax and the peroxide causes the borax to penetrate deep into the body. This mix stops the burn of the bug in 3 minutes flat. It used to take 3-4 days for the burn to subside. I had a burning patch once the size of a wallet on my back in February. So strange and hard to kill . Baking soda is very strong in getting rid of them. See topix forum scabies arm and hammer thread. Many are cured from this baking soda and or arm and hammer laundry detergent , no bleach , no dyes , no scent > > google topix scabies & quot; arm and hammer skf & quot;> it is very interesting. I belive it is the baking soda thet is the powerful ingredient . It works well> > > > God bless you> > ,> Bill> > ukcoffeelover wrote: > > > > hi all, > > an update. > > I have not been in an infested environment since Thursday. > > I am mite free since I used 5% permethrin on my hair and skin Thursday. I literally wiped hundreds of mites from my skin and hair; the permethrin killed them. > > I hot washed/dried my three sets of clothes 3 times in regular laundry soap. They remain mite free. > > I took apart my tiny asus and wiped it down with Jeyes Fluid which contains creosote acids. It killed these mites (if that's what they are). The keyboard is no longer attached at the top, but I don't care. I treated my cell phone and other electronic equipment the same way and it worked and did not damage them. I was told by my computer guy that I could freeze my laptops for 2 weeks without damage if I wrapped them tightly in saran wrap (plastic food wrap) to keep out any moisture; he said that it would not damage the screens. I haven't tried it, as the Jeyes has worked. > > Barry the bug guy called and said that the lab report said that my specimens did NOT contain any mites. Barry also thinks I'm crazy/delusional, and said that he can't help me anymore. That's good to know, so I can move on to someone else who can. I have contacted another exterminator who will be sending a technician to my house to investigate what this insect is. > > I have contacted an old vet friend who wants a specimen to submit to her much-used lab for identification. She wants to have the lab id the thing and test it against a variety of chemicals to find out what will kill it. She is a holistic vet and uses natural methods, homeopathy and naturopathy; but she is very concerned at some of the behaviors of this insect (see my observations below). She is adamant that this insect is NOT a bird mite, and definately not D. gallinae. This is a vet who knows her stuff and been doing her thing for several decades and she is known world-wide. > > I have become aware that the infested house I rent was inhabited by a man from Pakistan. I was staying at a boarding house (also owned by my landlord) because my heating is broken in my house. My room in the boarding house was also heavily infested. Both places have been rented by the same man (I verified this through my landlord). > > Some time ago, I ran across some news items and blogs on a US Army soldier website that mentioned terrible, invisible biting insects encountered by soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Soldiers were saying that they could not get rid of this insect-- it got in their hair, on their skin, in their clothes and gear; that the biting, burning itching was terrible. I have also read posts on the mite section of asktheexterminator. com of soldiers families saying that their family members returning from the middle east have brought some biting insect home to their houses -that the thing is nearly invisible, making their lives a misery, they can't get rid of it, etc, etc. > > I am wondering if this biting insect has come from the middle east by way of returning troops and spreading through contact and contamination of every day objects and public spaces? I am trying to find the US Army news sites that I read a while ago; any pointers from anyone who runs across them is appreciated. > > It has been several days since I have encountered any of these insects.During my last encounters, I observed some very unusual behavior, some behavior that I find disturbing. Has anyone else noted the same behavior? Has anyone noticed other different behavior? > > The white, almost transparent worm-like or larva-like insects seem to drop from the ceiling or the tops of walls onto me when I am standing still. I suspect that they nest on the ceiling or near it at the tops of walls (perhaps for warmth?). I think that they are attracted to heat sources and that is why they drop onto someone standing still, rather than drop onto surfaces. If they drop onto clothing, they quickly go through the cloth in order to get to the skin. Once on the skin, they burrow their head into the dermal layer to feed. They seem to eject a substance into the bite; initially, this substance burns and stings, then numbs the wound so that the larva can feed without interruption. All of this behavior is common to mites and other insects that feed on mammalian lymph and blood. It is behavior that is common to arachnids (spiders); mites (acara) are closely related to spiders. > > Removing the insect manually from the skin is very difficult; it will resist all attempts of removal, pulling them only results in stretching them until they tear; any fluid from their bodies that gets on the skin stings and burns in the same way as the bites. > > I have observed these insects biting through a vinyl glove. > > I have observed that for the most part, the larva-like insects are most active at night. However the dark, gloomy winter days this far north are virtually indistinguishable from dusk, and the insects are somewhat active during these times. The insects do not seem to be active at all in bright sunlight. (Has anyone tried using broad-spectrum lightbulbs in their house?) > > I have observed these insects crawling into cotton fabric and wrapping themselves around threads in such a way that it is nearly impossible to remove them. > > I have observed these insets dropping from the ceiling. > > I have observed brown or black specks where the white larva-like insects have been. But the brown or black specks seem to be inert. I do not understand the connection; every black speck specimen that I have submitted to labs for identification has been labeled "dirt". It is not uncommon for many entomologists to mistake mite cocoons for debris or dirt. > > I have observed brown and black specks embedded in the fingertip of a vinyl glove that was free of any imperfections when removed from the packaging. > > I have observed tiny insects, tiny and light enough to float in the air, drifting in hazy clouds in the indoor air of my house. This most commonly occurs after sun rise, but before noon. Close inspection shows these insects to be oval or oblong, and light to medium brown in color. When they land on the skin, a burning sensation is felt. > > By this post I am trying to compare information and experiences, respond to a few new queries about the insects behavior and appearance, gather more information for the people who are trying to help me figure this out and figure out how to kill it. For anyone (like me) who would prefer to use more natural and less toxic methods of eradication, please understand that I am not advocating the use of toxic chemical insecticides, but what I have just tried that actually worked. Now that I know for certain that they can be killed on my skin, I will continue to look for the answer of how to kill them in my house. > >>

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Well shops a lot,

Thanks for that. I have some questions, if you can answer them, please.

You said that you were attacked by invisible bugs in Qatar.

You moved to Missouri andd now your house is infested.

Is it infested by the same bug?

If it is the same bug, do you still know anyone in Qatar who you might ask about

the bugs you encountered in Qatar while you lived there?

If you can, would you do this and get back to us, please, about what you find

out.

Yes, the black specks always turn out to be just " dirt " when they are looked at

by a pest exterminator or lab. However, they cannot be just " dirt " because there

are so many of them in my really clean house, and because they are so uniform in

shape and color. If they were really dirt they would be in a variety of shapes,

sizes and colors.

Thanks for your good wishes, I still have to either fumigaate my house with

something, or move, though. I have only walked away temporarily. I rent my house

and must remove my things eventually. If I don't want to take the bugs with me

to my next home, I will have to throw away most of what I own. And start over.

That's ok, though. It's just stuff and it's not worth keeping it, if it means

being re-infested and being ill again.

Would you please try and find out something from anyone in Qatar about these

bugs, and let us know what you turned up? It might prove to be a really helpful

clue or part of the final answer for this problem.

I hope you're well and doing ok, and hope to see more of your posts on the

boards.

Warmest hugs,

UK

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> UK, you have raised an interesting point. Years ago, while living in Doha,

Qatar, we were attacked by invisible bugs. We moved. I now live in Missouri,

USA. It is clear that my house is infested. Terminix hasn't helped. I gave

them the blacks specks to try and identify a mite---nothing... Apparently, it

is all in my head, LOL. It's very easy to infect others, infect cars, other

homes---clothing is a major issue. I felt great improvement when I left my

home, however, my teenagers have it and it is difficult to get them to comply

with treatments. I hope you are rid of the plague for good. I also hope that

someone out there can tell us what this is----what are the black specks, etc...

Thank you for sharing your information and best of luck to you :))

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Will do and good luck---we have no choice but to keep insisting on identification and research. I didn't have any luck with exterminator coming out and taking my pieces of scotch tape for examination...they were not able to identify anything because this is not in their database. The other exterminator came out and told me to see a dermatologist...the dermatologists tells you to locate an exterminator...

Good luck and keep us informed--obviously the longer we experience this the more frustrated and anxious we are to have this resolved!

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Hi, Pdidit,There are some interesting points in your last post.No, I do not have any fungal or yeast infections, and never have had any.I don't have a biofilm on my body, either. My skin is clear, and when I bathe or shower, the only thing that comes off in the rinse is soap bubbles. I have been exposed to this "whatever bug I am dealing with" for nearly three months. I have repeatedly used permethrin lotion 5% to remove them from my skin and hair, but kept getting re-infested each time I re-entered whatever environment I was encountering them in at the time (I have found them in 3 environments).That's why I believe that my environment infests me, rather than Me infesting my environment. For example, since I have been bug free on Thursday, I have been in two hotels for 2 nights each, and neither of those places have any evidence of being infested with these "bugs", and I continue to be bug free. The question that you ask which is so important is: are we all dealing with the same bug?That cannot be answered until several of us have identified the buig that we are individually dealing with. And it would seem from many past posts that the bug is wretchedly hard to capture for sending to a lab. I wonder why?It is indisputable that we are all dealing with some sort of biting insect because we all have physical evidence of some sort of insect bites on our skin. I myself have had 3 doctor verify that I have had insect bites on my body, but none has any idea what the insect might be that has bitten me. Their suggestion has been to see a pest control specialist or exterminator to treat my environment.I'm having a difficult time finding one that will actually drag his sorry self out of bed at 3am to come to my house and see first hand what I am dealing with, though. I also don't understand the connection between the biting bugs and morgellons, or of there is any connection at all. I don't think that I have morgs, but I am convinced that I do have some sort of biting insect in my environment. Hopefully bill will contact the Stamford Police Department and find out what was in their offices and biting their officers and how they got rid of it. I can't do that from the UK, though because I have no land line telephone. Keep thinking, your thoughts are good and making us think harder about this problem. All love,UK

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Lynn,

Your post/reply makes sense and your examples are clear and logical.

Thanks for your support and encouragement and for thinking of me as I try and

figure this out from a less-than-easy position.

The group really needs several people trying simultaneously to collect specimens

and having them analysed for identification.

And someone really needs to call the Stamford Police Department, as Bill wrote

earlier today:

" The police station in MA had it , I wonder what they did to end the bugs

stronghold. . I will call them tomorrow. I called them when I saw the new on the

net , the office r said many of the guys werebeing bit up , they told me to call

back in the day .

birdmite in the Stamford Police Department. 8/13/09

203-977-4958 "

Maybe if enough people in the USA from the group called and asked about it, we

might save some time and ID the thing quicker?

I feel an urge to act quickly, not because of my personal situation, but because

I am seeing and reading so much suffering and turmoil in peoples lives from this

thing.

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I am not even convinced that I have experienced the same bug throughout my

ordeal. At first I had visible bird mites (from a nest on my deck),but they

only lasted a couple of weeks, then I had springtails which I was able to trap,

but they are also gone. Yet I still have some crawling feelings and sometimes

experience what might be a bite, but it is milder than before and leaves no

mark. And I have not seen or trapped anything.

My primary weapons have been spraying with Bio-Neem and Nylar and using Roach

Pruf on the floor and in the bedding.

I have an unrelated request. If when people post, they could delte all the

previous email chain except for what's relevant, it would make it easier on

those of us who receive the email in digest form.

Thanks.

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> The question that you ask which is so important is:

> are we all dealing with the same bug?

> That cannot be answered until several of us have identified the buig that we

are individually dealing with. And it would seem from many past posts that the

bug is wretchedly hard to capture for sending to a lab. I wonder why?

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I've had a lot of luck with neem, especially in getting the big red bumps to

disappear (wormwood+neem made them disappear almost overnight). Where can I

find bio neem?

thank you

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I have the same scenario of events as you, first the birds nest then the

mites then the springtails then the invisible bug. I still dealt with a few

springtails outside last summer they are visible the bifen really put a hurt on

springtails. There has to be something going on the poor birds infested with

this, they have to be sickly as well. M

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I get the digest. All you have to do is click the link " Visit your Group " .

When you get here, click " Messages " on the left blue bar. Then a message will

come up, and after you've read it, click " next " . If you want to reply, hit

reply, put your post at the top, and hit send. It really is very simple and you

don't have to deal with long chains of posts.

Bessie

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> > The question that you ask which is so important is:

> > are we all dealing with the same bug?

> > That cannot be answered until several of us have identified the buig that we

are individually dealing with. And it would seem from many past posts that the

bug is wretchedly hard to capture for sending to a lab. I wonder why?

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Hi Uk Kate

I Called the Police dept captain and he said they could see the bug when it bit

you . they reinforced all the eves wher the bird had nested & had it sprayed

by a pest control company . The captain said it worked and have had no

reoccurence of the bug & he is calling me back with the exterminators name .

I will post it when I get it .

Also a pest control called Vexon in Louisiana told q poster named Fannau what

to use , he said to her it would take 6 weeks of sprayings with strong

pesticides .

Here is the info on Vexcon

( There is a resident expert bug trapper here , jill Her user name kayjay.

She says clear tape placed lightly on a crawler will render a sample.. Amazing

I have looked for years and can find nothing. I have not tried tape on a crawler

yet. )

Another way is to set out dollar store glue traps, 6 for $1.00, use 18 of

them for 21 days , says the exterminator

Bill Bretherton of Vexcon Animal and Pest Control,

(318) 965-5357,

318-965-5357

Vexcon Inc. 116 Preston Bay Circle Benton, LA 71006 (318) 965-5357! ...

He said:

Glue boards, let sit for 14-21 Days

then cover with saran wrap and mail in to him and he will examine them with an

electron microscope, make a plan of extermination , and if you are not local set

it up with a local exterminator to do the job ....what a guy .. !

I saw him on Dirty jobs on TV and called him the next day. this guy is on a

mission ..for real .. One poster called him also ,he said it would be 6 weeks of

very strong pesticides to eradicate the bird mite ....

we know that already . but he might know the right pesticide .

God bless you , Bill

ps:

Many are the afflictions of the rightoues , but the Lord delivers them of them

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> Lynn,

> Your post/reply makes sense and your examples are clear and logical.

> Thanks for your support and encouragement and for thinking of me as I try and

figure this out from a less-than-easy position.

> The group really needs several people trying simultaneously to collect

specimens and having them analysed for identification.

> And someone really needs to call the Stamford Police Department, as Bill wrote

earlier today:

> " The police station in MA had it , I wonder what they did to end the bugs

stronghold. . I will call them tomorrow. I called them when I saw the new on the

net , the office r said many of the guys werebeing bit up , they told me to call

back in the day .

> birdmite in the Stamford Police Department. 8/13/09

> 203-977-4958 "

> Maybe if enough people in the USA from the group called and asked about it, we

might save some time and ID the thing quicker?

> I feel an urge to act quickly, not because of my personal situation, but

because I am seeing and reading so much suffering and turmoil in peoples lives

from this thing.

> Uk

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Agree....spraying has to be done every 7 days until the infestation is gone.

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Hi Uk KateI Called the Police dept captain and he said they could see the bug when it bit you . they reinforced all the eves wher the bird had nested & had it sprayed by a pest control company . The captain said it worked and have had no reoccurence of the bug & he is calling me back with the exterminators name . I will post it when I get it . Also a pest control called Vexon in Louisiana told q poster named Fannau what to use , he said to her it would take 6 weeks of sprayings with strong pesticides . Here is the info on Vexcon ( There is a resident expert bug trapper here , jill Her user name kayjay. She says clear tape placed lightly on a crawler will render a sample.. Amazing I have looked for years and can find nothing. I have not tried tape on a crawler yet. )Another way is to set out dollar store glue traps, 6 for $1.00, use 18 of them for 21 days , says the exterminator Bill Bretherton of Vexcon Animal and Pest Control, (318) 965-5357,318-965-5357Vexcon Inc. 116 Preston Bay Circle Benton, LA 71006 (318) 965-5357! ... He said: Glue boards, let sit for 14-21 Days then cover with saran wrap and mail in to him and he will examine them with an electron microscope, make a plan of extermination , and if you are not local set it up with a local exterminator to do the job ....what a guy .. ! I saw him on Dirty jobs on TV and called him the next day. this guy is on a mission ..for real .. One poster called him also ,he said it would be 6 weeks of very strong pesticides to eradicate the bird mite .... we know that already . but he might know the right pesticide . God bless you , Billps:Many are the afflictions of the rightoues , but the Lord delivers them of them allukcoffeelover wrote: > > Lynn, > Your post/reply makes sense and your examples are clear and logical. > Thanks for your support and encouragement and for thinking of me as I try and figure this out from a less-than-easy position. > The group really needs several people trying simultaneously to collect specimens and having them analysed for identification. > And someone really needs to call the Stamford Police Department, as Bill wrote earlier today: > "The police station in MA had it , I wonder what they did to end the bugs stronghold. . I will call them tomorrow. I called them when I saw the new on the net , the office r said many of the guys werebeing bit up , they told me to call back in the day . > birdmite in the Stamford Police Department. 8/13/09 > 203-977-4958" > Maybe if enough people in the USA from the group called and asked about it, we might save some time and ID the thing quicker? > I feel an urge to act quickly, not because of my personal situation, but because I am seeing and reading so much suffering and turmoil in peoples lives from this thing. > Uk >

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Hello UK

The invisible bug in Qatar didn't cause the symptoms I'm experiencing now, so I doubt it was the same bug. My husband (born and raised there) said it was from cats (they breed profusely all over the city). After we moved, the new tenants tore out the carpeting and had relief.

I moved from my house and I'm now in a much smaller condo-my teenage daughters remain at the house and are largely unaffected. The house has had moisture issues and I wonder whether this plays a role. I regret that I have taken this mite to 2 other homes, although the infestation is markedly less. No one has the large lesions and rashes that I've had. Each time I feel I am close to being rid of this, I get re-infected again.

I recently visited California where friends frequented the local mosque. Many were complaining of itching while kneeling on the carpet to pray....

I agree with others who say that we are truly 'on our own" with this affliction. I can't get a bug specimin, although I can collect the black specks from my skin and environment. I do believe it is a mite, however, I cannot determine what type of mite it is or its origin .

I'd use extreme caution in going back to your house and retrieving belongings that may be infested. It simply isn't worth the risk. I've spent thousands of dollars on various medicines, Terminix pest control, travel to try to cure myself, and have thrown out numerous clothing and belongings. My car was badly infested (bought new mercedes last year :)) replacement of the car wasn't feasible so i sprayed it heavily with tempo. This helped quite a bit.

As with Lynn, it's very hard to stay vigilant when you are sleep-deprived. I wonder whether anyone on this board has identified what the black specks actually are......

I've been helped greatly by many on this website who have shared their experience and/or treatment protocols. I would love to "get to the bottom" of this and am willing to assist in any way I can. Thanks again and I hope you remain free of this plague.

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Hi Ian

Haw are you doing. How goes the neem ? Any new tips ?

God bless you,

Bill

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> I've had a lot of luck with neem, especially in getting the big red

bumps to disappear (wormwood+neem made them disappear almost overnight). Where

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> thank you

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Did Captain Lombardo ever get back to you with the name and contact details o

the exterminator that sorted their bird mite problem at the police precinct?

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> > I've had a lot of luck with neem, especially in getting the big red

bumps to disappear (wormwood+neem made them disappear almost overnight). Where

can I find bio neem?

> > thank you

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Hi ukcoffe

You asked & #39;

Did Captain Lombardo ever get back to you with the name and contact details o

the exterminator that sorted their bird mite problem at the police precinct?

& #39;

No Kate he hasn & #39;t called back , I have called him though , he says he

will call.

I will call him Monday am..

God bless you Kate ,

Bill

ps I watched 4 videos of Kulhman on Youtube , what a nice lady. One

was a gathering in a big city where hundreds of people in wheel chairs were

compelled to come in & the poor the maimed & halt were invited . Many received

sight in blind eyes , Jesus healed many of the people .It was a wonderous thing

to watch

Praise God..

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> Did Captain Lombardo ever get back to you with the name and contact details o

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>> > I've had a lot of luck with neem, especially in getting the big red

bumps to disappear (wormwood+neem made them disappear almost overnight). Where

can I find bio neem?

>> > thank you

>> > Ian

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