Re: If worst case happens ???

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Yep its a corrupt situation... Top of the list for acceptance is mental

disorders...Like depression(clinical),bipolar(my doctor says 25% of people are

now bipolar due to stress,rushing,having 2 jobs,basically a very harried life

style)So I think people that are disabled should be able to get permanent

disability if they feel they can't function..My partner is bipolar and I guess

it took a year to get funded which is unusually quick...2yrs is more the

norm..Yep that disability could be part of the Center for Disease Creation is

stalling...Willing to give lessons in how to go nuts if anyone needs any help at

this point!!

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bird mites

Subject: Re: If worst case happens ???

Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:01:16 -0000

Lynn, I'm glad you finally got your disability. It dawns on me this may be one

of the many reasons the Center for Disease Creation continues to stall. This

condition is truly debilitating, and there would be an overwhelming storm of

disability applications if this were ever acknowledged by the medical

establishment.

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prepare...realize We may need a chat room of our own and not meaning to offend

anyone but what if it is truly the case???What comes to mind for me is keeping

my loved ones close,stockpiling certain things,having an emergency plan,honestly

I am not into this for the drama I just think things could be very serious...I

truly appreciate the brilliance of this group,guess adversity really did bring

out the best in people in the case of this group.....R

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Hi Bobby

I read bohemias protocol , the alkalinity of the skin must be changed when I

bathe in baking soda, they have stopped Praise God !

the baking soda 1 cup in the bath for , 30 mins is amazing , it has stopped

them dead . I did use a lot of peroxide / borax/ water mix

I use dawn dish soap for showering before a bath & squirt 1oz of dawn on shower

floor to stop foot bites

This letter I found explains a huge part of the mite life & how to kill it

http://www.safe2use.com/scabiesboard/2004_10/1168.html

here is an excerpt

.. Repeated baths in water and bath oil, or repeated swims in chlorinated

swimming pools will kill adult mites and nymphs feeding close to the surface.

And you don & #39;t have to smell like a human pickle to accomplish breaking the

cycle.

When you talk about using an abrasive scrubber and dish detergent to get rid of

eggs on hair shafts, it sounds like you & #39;re talking about body or hair lice.

That & #39;s a whole different insect, and while some people have found vinegar to

be helful (I never did) lice are easier to remove with natural products like

mayonaise, olive oil or very rich conditioner, in combination with a good nit

comb. Or there are lice insecticide products on the market.

Your in-law & #39;s dog may have animal mites also, but that doesn & #39;t mean the

dog is the problem. The dog may be an innocent victim like you. You don & #39;t

mention whether your in-law & #39;s dog is a female. The fact that you, and only

you are being affected in your household makes me suspect rodent mites. If there

are rodent ne.....

(More at: )

http://www.safe2use.com/scabiesboard/2004_10/1168.html

( in the link it speaks of vacuming. This works some what but tri-jet foggering

annhilates them .

2 cups epsom

1/2 cup boraz

1 cup windex

1.5 gal of hot water , Stir well for 1 miinute put in fogger & turn the room

into a blinding dense fog, I can only see 3ft into it ...bye bye bug. I

haven & #39;t felt a bug since I started doing this to each room every 3 days.

God bless you, Bill

.ps remember it is repeated baths ,

bobbyboyd99 wrote:

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> I believe Darlitia did successfully Lynn. Here is one of her protocols.

I know she added Dr Bonner peppermint bar soap scrub down before the ESP soap to

it. The ESP Botanicals New Hope 2 is stronger now than the New Hope.

> Bohemia <dc.anon@... > wrote:

>>

>> Below is my current protocol and I seem to be doing awsome on it.

>> I will keep you posted.

>> Hugs,

>> Darlitia

>>

>>

>> External Body Use:

>>

>> 1.) ESP Botanical New Hope Line - http://www.espbotan icals.com/

>> ESP New Hope Kit: soap for body and mask, balm for nightly & morning cream,

Shampoo for hair, Bath oils for body, Toner/Spray for ears and crawlies, Syrum

for touch ups throughout the day.

>>

>> 2) Roto V: for eyes, two sets, one for home, one in at work.

>>

>> 3.) Epsom Salt for the really active days and as a back up to other products.

>>

>> 4.) Olive oil for the really active days and as a back up to other products.

>>

>> Internal Body Use:

>>

>> 5.) Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar 1 shot twice a day. Or Nature's Life Apple

Cider Vinegar tablets: 1 tablet 250 mg twice day equivalent to 3 teaspoons.

>>

>> 6.) Vitamin D3 2000 units, Vitamin D is crucial twice a day

>> Take 1000 units in the morning and 1000 units in the evening

>>

>> 7.) Multiple Vitamins twice a day, it should have Cs B6, B12, Vit E,

Magnesium,

>> and Calcium..

>>

>> 8.) Lugols http://www.jcrows. com/iodine. html - order the Lugols,

>> Take 2 drops of Lugols twice a day. Once at night and once in the morning. It

is potassium iodine, we are very depleted in iodine in this country and its

necessary for the thyroid and the endocrine system.

>>

>> 9.) Opaline Dry Oxy – http://www.opalines olutions. com/instructions

_ic.html

>> Take three tablets in the morning and three in the evening.

>>

>> 10.) http://www.vaxa. com/ order the PH Buffer, Strips and Parasitin,

>> When you order ask them for their film on how to PH your body. When you get

the Buffers, Don't start with 6, start with 3. Learn to check your PH levels

twice a day at first this will change your body's attraction to these things by

changing the ionic charge at the cellular level, if you change the ionic

attraction of the body they will begin to stay away from you. PH Buffer and PH

Strips http://www.vaxa. com/search. cfm?keywords= ph%20test% 20strips

>> Parasitic Cleansing Program contains: 2 bottles of Parasitin (240 caps

total), and 1 bottle each of Colon-Aid+ (120caps) and ReFlora+ (120 caps).

http://www.vaxa. com/search. cfm?keywords= parasitin

>> And ask for the PH Film.

>>

>> Environmental Use:

>>

>> 11.) Borax used on each load of laundry and on carpet as needed.

>>

>> 12.) Arm & Hammer Laundry Detergent with baking soda:

>> Used on each load of laundry.

>>

>> 13.) Ceder/Sage Spray used after every shower and bath,

>> Used in the bedroom on air mattress and walls and used in the whole bathroom.

>>

>> 14.) Cedar Incense, used as needed. If no incense use menthol pellets and a

diffuser in room.

>>

>> 15.) Going Green: Use organic foods and green products wherever possible.

Also making an effort to eat foods to strengthen immune system.

>> .

>> Medical Use:

>>

>> 16.) Will follow through with testing for Lymes and the attendant antibiotic

when I can afford and next budget for it. Most likely in one to two months from

now.

>>

> olynn@...> wrote:

>>

>> Oh you have done alot. I am afraid if you leave it will just go with you. I

do not recall anyone who has left their infested place whare they did not soon

also have the next place infested. It would waste more time and money I think if

you did. Does anyone on this site know of anyone whom walked away successfully?

?? I do have a solution that may help. I will e-mail you okay?...

>>

>> In Light Lynn

>>

>>

>

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" Rose " wrote: Willing to give lessons in how to go nuts if anyone needs

any help at this point!! "

LOL! This is priceless! Should be included among the forums' funniest

one-liners.

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> bird mites

> Subject: Re: If worst case happens ???

> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:01:16 -0000

>

> Lynn, I'm glad you finally got your disability. It dawns on me this may be one

of the many reasons the Center for Disease Creation continues to stall. This

condition is truly debilitating, and there would be an overwhelming storm of

disability applications if this were ever acknowledged by the medical

establishment.

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> > > > > > > > > Well if this horrible plague happens...any suggestions on how

to prepare...realize We may need a chat room of our own and not meaning to

offend anyone but what if it is truly the case???What comes to mind for me is

keeping my loved ones close,stockpiling certain things,having an emergency

plan,honestly I am not into this for the drama I just think things could be very

serious...I truly appreciate the brilliance of this group,guess adversity really

did bring out the best in people in the case of this group.....R

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[Guest guest]

I second that. FarInfrared seems to be the one thing that helps everyone who

tries it (and reports back). Everything else, it seems, varies. I've been

using my FIR pad every night for almost two years.

Bessie

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to prepare...realize We may need a chat room of our own and not meaning to

offend anyone but what if it is truly the case???What comes to mind for me is

keeping my loved ones close,stockpiling certain things,having an emergency

plan,honestly I am not into this for the drama I just think things could be very

serious...I truly appreciate the brilliance of this group,guess adversity really

did bring out the best in people in the case of this group.....R

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Bessie,

If it's not too much trouble to ask, where did you purchase this, and how much

was it?

Also, what kind of results did you receive from this treatment?

thanks,

D.

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prepare...realize We may need a chat room of our own and not meaning to offend

anyone but what if it is truly the case???What comes to mind for me is keeping

my loved ones close,stockpiling certain things,having an emergency plan,honestly

I am not into this for the drama I just think things could be very serious...I

truly appreciate the brilliance of this group,guess adversity really did bring

out the best in people in the case of this group.....R

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I'm glad the A & H baking soda is helping Bill. I've been taking a little morning

and night internally. Here is a few more ideas from the A & H website. I like the

body scrub/paste idea if the bath has been helping you.

Facial Scrub and Body Exfoliant

Are you a fan of the self-tan? Before applying products that give you a `glow',

give yourself an invigorating, yet gentle, facial and body scrub with ARM &

HAMMER® Baking Soda. Removing dead skin cells will leave your skin soft and

smooth, perfect before application. Make a paste of 3 parts ARM & HAMMER® Baking

Soda to 1 part water. Rub in a gentle circular motion to exfoliate the skin.

Rinse clean. Gentle enough for daily use!

Hair Care

For locks that rock, remember to shake it. Sprinkle a small amount

(quarter-size) of ARM & HAMMER® Baking Soda into your palm along with your

favorite shampoo. Shampoo as usual and rinse thoroughly. The ARM & HAMMER®

Baking Soda helps remove the residue that styling products leave behind so your

hair is cleaner and more manageable.

Refreshing Bath Soak

Taking a bath is so last year…until now! Add 1/2 cup of ARM & HAMMER® Baking

Soda to your bath to neutralize acids on the skin and help wash away oil and

perspiration. Your skin will feel silky smooth, and it's a great way to get away

from it all.

Soothing Foot Soak

Here's a great way to start your home pedicure. Dissolve 3 tablespoons of ARM &

HAMMER® Baking Soda in a basin of warm water and soak feet. Gently scrub with a

paste of ARM & HAMMER® Baking Soda. The hardest part is deciding which color

nail polish you'll use this week!

Hand Cleanser

Give yourself a hand with ARM & HAMMER® Baking Soda. Forget the harsh soaps and

gently scrub away ground-in dirt and neutralize odors on hands with a paste of 3

parts ARM & HAMMER® Baking Soda to 1 part water, or 3 parts ARM & HAMMER® Baking

Soda to your liquid hand soap. Then rinse clean. Your skin will feel softer too!

>

> Hi Bobby

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> I read bohemias protocol , the alkalinity of the skin must be changed when I

bathe in baking soda, they have stopped Praise God !

> the baking soda 1 cup in the bath for , 30 mins is amazing , it has stopped

them dead .

[Guest guest]

I am beginning to feel that DE was very instrumental in getting us mite-free (totally) for 3 months. We also sprayed Onslaught/Nylar around all baseboards and fogged with cedarcide, put Delta Dust behind wall outlets, and were using other laundry and skin protocols at the time, so it's possible it was a combination of things. We had ripped out all the remaining carpet in our house in 3 bedrooms and 2 closets, so it was convenient to poof DE liberally in those rooms, shut the doors and leave them. Once it was removed, however, they returned. We're getting ready to spray Tempo/NyGuard again and I'm going to put the DE back in as many areas as possible. I'd like to poof up in attic, but my concern is that it might get into air ducts and cause respiratory problems - especially for my husband who had a portion of his lung removed a few years ago. I placed a generous amount of Roach Prufe around the computer and in several closets, but because of this respiratory concern for my husband, I've not done the all-out approach as Rita did - wish we were brave enough to do that!! I'm getting desperate enough to try poofing it in the attic though - we've come so close to eradication, but it seems you have to continue with treatments because you just don't know if they might return.

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OK; here are some of the many things we've done so far:We vacuumed all floors in house 5-6 days per week times 6 months.We vacuumed each car 2-3 times per week times 6 months.We put tri-die in switch plates and wall voids (insulation gets in the way though).Sprayed Dri-one in subarea beneath house.Ripped out insulation with rats nest in it in our attic and caught 5 rats last Feb. We had a professional company called Therma Pure heat the house and they failed miserably and cost us thousands in damage to our wood floors. They over-heated about 1/2 of the house and way-under-heated the other 1/2 the house. The mites just moved around temporarily to avoid the heat and we had to pay the company thousands!We've tried several pest control companies who sprayed our yard, subarea, attic, cars, and baseboards.We sprayed Arm & Hammer on all surfaces (walls, ceilings, floors, furniture)and let it dry there.We've put roach prufe all over the house for the past 3 weeks (and it is still there. We've soaked many items and surfaces w/sterifab, bleach, etc... These kill well on contact.We torn out all of the carpet in the house (5 rooms + a staircase).We've cleaned everything and all surface in house with a professional steam cleaner (expensive).We bought a special washer and wash all laundry on a steam/sterile setting.We have all clothes and linens in bins on tables with carpet tape arounds legs of tables.We wash hair with selsum blue and bodies are scrubbed with tea tree Dr. Bronner's and SB in shower 1-3 times a day...We bleach shower before and after each use.We treat the dog and cat w/advantage 2times per month.We are using a little Benzyl Peroxide at times when we fell crawling... but it really hurt the inside of my ears and it hurt the skin on my husband's neck; so we are careful now to only use a little and NOT in the ears and not where sun exposure may occur.We sprayed Tempo SC, Demand, and Nylar (ourselves) many times in many different places and on many different surfaces in the house and cars over time.So far we have found that scrubbing, bleach (10-min), and sterifab (10-min) work to kill them upon contact... Deet keeps them off of us and our shoes when we were it. Nothing has gotten to the source so far though.We are exhaused and overwhelmed in the same way others on this site are. We very much want suggestions from others who have beat this. We will try almost anything that has been 100% sucessful for other over time as long as it not too dangerous health-wise.We are still hoping for the success with roach prufe that others have found.Has anyone had any sucess with food grade DE in the environment? We bought a huge bag of it... but it didn't help Rita as much as Roach Prufe so we haven't used it yet.DM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Well if this horrible plague happens...any suggestions on how to prepare...realize We may need a chat room of our own and not meaning to offend anyone but what if it is truly the case???What comes to mind for me is keeping my loved ones close,stockpiling certain things,having an emergency plan,honestly I am not into this for the drama I just think things could be very serious...I truly appreciate the brilliance of this group,guess adversity really did bring out the best in people in the case of this group.....R> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > >

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D -

I got it from MPS global (also through Dr. Staninger). It's about

$400....yikes, I know.

Bessie

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prepare...realize We may need a chat room of our own and not meaning to offend

anyone but what if it is truly the case???What comes to mind for me is keeping

my loved ones close,stockpiling certain things,having an emergency plan,honestly

I am not into this for the drama I just think things could be very serious...I

truly appreciate the brilliance of this group,guess adversity really did bring

out the best in people in the case of this group.....R

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[Guest guest]

D - Ooops - I should have added that I can't be sure if anything specifically is

working, since I do so many things. But I do believe that the FIR and the

Opaline together (along with keeping a clean colon) are a very big part of the

healing.

Bessie

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prepare...realize We may need a chat room of our own and not meaning to offend

anyone but what if it is truly the case???What comes to mind for me is keeping

my loved ones close,stockpiling certain things,having an emergency plan,honestly

I am not into this for the drama I just think things could be very serious...I

truly appreciate the brilliance of this group,guess adversity really did bring

out the best in people in the case of this group.....R

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Wow thanks bobby

I didn & #39;t know it was safe for all that soaking , now I do ,

I use it as rubbing compound to remove scratches in the auto finish & to clean

tile in the shower , it is so fresh and works on tile when nothing else will , I

dip the damp scrub brush into a small dish of baking soda then polish the wall .

If there is grout stain I put toilet paper on the cracks and squirt 5% bleach

water on every 6 hrs for 6 -20 hrs . This removes all stains like new. If the

stains are hard water rust type I do the toilet paper soak on he grout with

vinegar for 6-36 hrs . They all come out like brand new like the day they were

laid. Even 25 year old stains

( Never mix bleach & vinegar . = chlorine gas. says Wikipedia )

God bless you,

Bill

bobbyboyd99 wrote:

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> I'm glad the A & H baking soda is helping Bill. I've been taking a little

morning and night internally. Here is a few more ideas from the A & H website. I

like the body scrub/paste idea if the bath has been helping you.

> Facial Scrub and Body Exfoliant

> Are you a fan of the self-tan? Before applying products that give you a

`glow', give yourself an invigorating, yet gentle, facial and body scrub with

ARM & HAMMER® Baking Soda. Removing dead skin cells will leave your skin soft

and smooth, perfect before application. Make a paste of 3 parts ARM & HAMMER®

Baking Soda to 1 part water. Rub in a gentle circular motion to exfoliate the

skin. Rinse clean. Gentle enough for daily use!

> Hair Care

> For locks that rock, remember to shake it. Sprinkle a small amount

(quarter-size) of ARM & HAMMER® Baking Soda into your palm along with your

favorite shampoo. Shampoo as usual and rinse thoroughly. The ARM & HAMMER®

Baking Soda helps remove the residue that styling products leave behind so your

hair is cleaner and more manageable.

> Refreshing Bath Soak

> Taking a bath is so last year…until now! Add 1/2 cup of ARM & HAMMER®

Baking Soda to your bath to neutralize acids on the skin and help wash away oil

and perspiration. Your skin will feel silky smooth, and it's a great way to get

away from it all.

> Soothing Foot Soak

> Here's a great way to start your home pedicure. Dissolve 3 tablespoons of ARM

& HAMMER® Baking Soda in a basin of warm water and soak feet. Gently scrub with

a paste of ARM & HAMMER® Baking Soda. The hardest part is deciding which color

nail polish you'll use this week!

> Hand Cleanser

> Give yourself a hand with ARM & HAMMER® Baking Soda. Forget the harsh soaps

and gently scrub away ground-in dirt and neutralize odors on hands with a paste

of 3 parts ARM & HAMMER® Baking Soda to 1 part water, or 3 parts ARM & HAMMER®

Baking Soda to your liquid hand soap. Then rinse clean. Your skin will feel

softer too!

>

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>> Hi Bobby

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>> I read bohemias protocol , the alkalinity of the skin must be changed when I

bathe in baking soda, they have stopped Praise God !

>> the baking soda 1 cup in the bath for , 30 mins is amazing , it has stopped

them dead .

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[Guest guest]

B.,

Can you expound about the Opaline therapy please?

It's the first time I've heard about it on this site.

Thanks,

D.

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to prepare...realize We may need a chat room of our own and not meaning to

offend anyone but what if it is truly the case???What comes to mind for me is

keeping my loved ones close,stockpiling certain things,having an emergency

plan,honestly I am not into this for the drama I just think things could be very

serious...I truly appreciate the brilliance of this group,guess adversity really

did bring out the best in people in the case of this group.....R

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No problem Bessie-

I found this: http://opalinesolutions.com/

D.

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how to prepare...realize We may need a chat room of our own and not meaning to

offend anyone but what if it is truly the case???What comes to mind for me is

keeping my loved ones close,stockpiling certain things,having an emergency

plan,honestly I am not into this for the drama I just think things could be very

serious...I truly appreciate the brilliance of this group,guess adversity really

did bring out the best in people in the case of this group.....R

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I wonder how many states still have their old flags that say " Don't Tread on

Me " ?

katie

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prepare...realize We may need a chat room of our own and not meaning to offend

anyone but what if it is truly the case???What comes to mind for me is keeping

my loved ones close,stockpiling certain things,having an emergency plan,honestly

I am not into this for the drama I just think things could be very serious...I

truly appreciate the brilliance of this group,guess adversity really did bring

out the best in people in the case of this group.....R

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D -

I don't know that I can completely explain it, but it dry stabilized oxygen in

capsule form. Oxygen circulates in the blood stream and gets absorbed into body

cells to help cleanse them, and assists in metabolic processes.

Of course, that is what red blood cells do (deliver oxygen), but we need more

than we are getting. Oxygen really seems to do damage to whatever this is.

That's why peroxide is such a good tool, and why some (who can afford it) get

hyperbaric treatments (they cost $500 per treatment around here!).

Bessie

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how to prepare...realize We may need a chat room of our own and not meaning to

offend anyone but what if it is truly the case???What comes to mind for me is

keeping my loved ones close,stockpiling certain things,having an emergency

plan,honestly I am not into this for the drama I just think things could be very

serious...I truly appreciate the brilliance of this group,guess adversity really

did bring out the best in people in the case of this group.....R

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Oops - saw this post too late. I was out all afternoon so have some catching up

to do!

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how to prepare...realize We may need a chat room of our own and not meaning to

offend anyone but what if it is truly the case???What comes to mind for me is

keeping my loved ones close,stockpiling certain things,having an emergency

plan,honestly I am not into this for the drama I just think things could be very

serious...I truly appreciate the brilliance of this group,guess adversity really

did bring out the best in people in the case of this group.....R

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