Re: Using tobacco leaves

May 11, 2009

Thanks Kixx, Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I just threw some around my

cars and the perimeter of my family room the other day. We'll see how it works.

I'm so glad you didn't start smoking...again I think.

Maybe you need to weave a Lei of tabacco for your red blond (Bessie's Blondes!!)

purple hair! hahaha

I would use an unscented, unflavored strong tabacco if anyone orders any. I do

love the smell of Captain Black pipe tobacco in the white pouch.

I am very interested in the religious part when you are up to it...

b

>

> For those of you battleing mites, as in you know what you're dealing with and

you've seen them, I do want to suggest using tobacco leaves. For those other

" unknown " folks, it still may be worth a try.

>

> I have been in touch with sachiart from Hawaii about this. She was on the

forum briefly last month (April 2009) and she got rid of her mites using tobacco

leaves. I have asked her if it's okay to post our email correspondence and of

course she was very willing.

>

> Before I go on, I'll disclose that I actually bought 2lbs of loose tobacco

leaves and did one day of tobacco sprinking - but I stopped it due to religious

reasons (it's not that tobacco was " bad " but I'll explain it when the time is

right) and cleaned it all up but I encourage some other folks to try b/c I

didn't get to leave it out long enough to witnes the results. I did sprinkle

them over my RP blizzard. Who knows, perhaps this can be the silver bullet.

>

> I searched for cheap tobacco outlets and found Lil Brown Smoke Shack in

Yakima, WA to have the best prices. I bought the following:

>

> - Vision Hunter Full Flavor 16oz, $32.95

> - Zander Greg Z-120, 16oz, $13.90

>

> I got two different products b/c I wanted some variety to see if one worked

better than the other. Vision Hunter is a RYOT (Roll Your Own Tobacco) product

and the leaves are dry and shredded as if you actually ripped apart a cigarette

and dumped the leaves out. I got Full Flavor and not Light b/c I figured it

would contain the most nicotine. Zander Greg seems to be their in-house brand

and the person I spoke to a rep there and he told me that these are leaves for

pipe smoking... so they are a bit damp (not wet) but they can be dried out and

smoked as cigarettes. Since I have a dehumidifier, I figure, what the heck, let

me just get these and they'll be dry in my place anyway. If I were to buy one

of the two, I'd probably stick to Vision Hunter since they're more close to the

product SachiArt used.

>

> So here's the email string:

>

> -----------------------------------------------

> From: " SachiArt "

> kixx_rc

> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 9:45:42 PM

> Subject: Re: how long?

>

> Hi There,

>

> Well...you have a head start. I put in in my pillow cases, between the

mattress and inside the sheets! I didn't care if I was weezy, and I wasn't

anyway. It might just be the smell of it--it's an unusual smell to have ALL

OVER YOU for a few days-----

>

> I put it in my HAIR. That's where I think they kept hiding. Then I realized I

hadn't washed my hair ties with oxy 7-------oh . duh. So then that seemed to

really make a difference. I noticed a change right away--in 2 days I didn't

have any more on me--or my clothes. I put it in the clothes hamper, and drawers

(in some cheese cloth), then I put some mint oil in there, so they wouldn't

smell like tobacco--it's not really that bad---just for sure, not perfume!

>

> Oh.......the car. I put it all over the seats, under things, but the bedding

was a biggie. That seems to really work~ I got to LIKE having that dry tobacco

on my, clean, mite free, naked toes at night....it was reassuring knowing the

LITTLE BASTARDS WERE DYING

> from it! And they were.

>

> I vacuumed it once. Then put more down cuz I figured any eggs or dead ones

should be whisked away--for the next round of little evil demons. The second

round was minimal, and they were easy to get rid of. They vanished also in

about 2 days. But the HAIR--------I don't know if you're a girl or boy, short

or long hair--but mine is shoulder length.

>

> OH---huge. Wash your body with providone (generic betadine). THEY HATE IT.

And it's an anti-microbial...it stops the itch immediately, probably kills eggs

and babies too. I even washed my mouth with a few drops (and am still doing it

every night...) Let it sit on your body for a bout a minute before rinsing it

off. It doesn't stain.

>

> Let me know how it goes.

>

> ----------------------------------

> In a message dated 5/7/2009 1:00:12 P.M. Hawaiian Standard Time, kixx_rc

writes:

>

> Hi again,

>

> I ordered 2lbs of loose tobacco leaves and they just came in today. I haven't

gone all crazy with it but started sprinkling some around my condo, esp around

the hot spots. I'm really praying this will be the silver bullet.

>

> How are you doing? Are you still mite free? I sure hope so! And if so, have

you vacuumed up all the leaves yet?

>

> I wanted to ask you how long was it before you sensed that the tobacco leaves

were working. And was your body infested as well? That's my problem. My body

keeps reinfesting my place, my place reinfests my body.... a vicious cycle. I

really hope the tobacco can break the cycle.

>

> Did you get at all weezy from all the tobacco sprinkled everywhere? Afterall,

it does contain nicotine so I'm sure you'd be exposed to it somewhat. I don't

feel naucious but ever so slightly weezy.

>

> Thanks.

>

> kixx

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------

> From: " SachiArt "

> kixx_rc

> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:24:00 PM

> Subject: Re: how long?

>

> Hi Again,

>

> I get ANY type of American spirit tobacco because they don't use pesticides or

toxic stuff when they grow it, since I put in in between the sheets where I'm

sleeping and in my pillow cases, (just tossed a fistful into the pillow cases),

and same inside

> sheets especially around feet area.

>

> I don't get that you can't seem them?? I have a jewelers' magnifying glass--I

can see them--they are exactly like the bird mite graphic on the birdmites.org

web page. Can you get your hands on one of those?? When you see them,

wow....it's creepy,

> and it gave me so much motivation to find a solution--which led me to the

birdmites.org site.

>

> BTW, I'm enclosing the info about the South American indigenous people and

ways and methods they used the Sacred Tobacco.

>

> I hope it works for you---I think u could put it in with the roach pruf and it

wouldn't hurt at ALL...make it a more potent combo in fact.

>

> Good luck!

>

> PS

>

> Perhaps you could send this over to the birdmites forum, they might be

interested in this.??

>

> Thanks~

>

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> Sent: 4/4/2009 12:24:33 P.M. Hawaiian Standard Time

> Subj: Tobacco as an insecticide

>

> Tobacco

> Nicotianas have a propensity to grow in quantity on newly disturbed or

enriched soil. Nicotiana rustica, among others, is grows along roads, ditches,

and plowed fields. N. Tomentosa has been observed to grow in enriched soil. " The

roadside distribution of tobacco coincides with the belief of Brazilian Indians

that Kurumpira, a central figure of native lore, lives along the roads where he

expects to find tobacco, especially in the form of gifts from passersby. The

occurrence of tobacco on sites fertilized by ashes is mentioned in narratives

about the origin of crop plants. In Pilagá mythology a cannibal-woman is killed

by the culture hero and from her ashes the first tobacco grows. Grave sites and

old abandoned house sites (which often serve as burial grounds) are places of

disturbed and enriched soil, and the occurrence of tobacco in quantity on them

has not gone unnoticed by the Indians.. In fact, they have etiologically

identified the plant with the ancestors and with ancestral deified shamans. "

>

> P. 152

>

> Indians recognize tobacco as " a powerful insecticide…. Tobacco preparations

are commonly employed on a physical level to rid seed stock and the human body

of insect infestations. On a projected metaphysical level, tobacco products are

used to incense people for the purpose of delivering them from pathogenic evil. "

>

> " Nicotine is a powerful insect killer…. Beginning with a chance discovery by

in 1762, nicotine clysters were shown in Western medicine to be effective

against intestinal worms. Since then, tobacco has been applied by mouth

(Cunningham 1836) and as a cataplasm simultaneously with oral administration

(Sigmond 1838) to purge patients of roundworms, tapeworms, threadworms, and

pinworms. More commonly, however, Westerners applied vermifuges in the form of

an enema of tobacco infusion. "

>

> Tobacco known as an insecticide since 1690; it was used by South American

shamans for this purpose at least as early as 1641, " when Tarairiú shamans were

observed to fumigate maize " seeds with tobacco smoke to enhance their fertility "

(Lowie 1946c:565). The practice of fumigating maize before sowing it is being

continued by the Guaraní and Yupa at the present time (Cadogan 1958:93;

Paolisso, pers. Comm.), and the blowing of smoke over new maize by the Tapirapeé

(Wagley 1977:195) and over maize and potatoes by the Guambiana (Rowe

1954-55:150-51) to " cure " or purify them may have its origin in the same kind of

farmer's wisdom. Foods like fish and cassava are perserved in a similar way.

(Rivero 1956:108-09). "

>

> This has been extended so that Indians use tobacco smoke as a ritual of

protection. Yaruro shamans blow cigar smoke over parties setting out to hunt,

fish, gather, and cultivate, " to protect them from all sorts of potential danger

and thereby guarantee an abundant food supply. "

>

> P. 153

>

> " The Otomac, for example, rub their bodies with chewing tobacco to dislodge

hard-to-remove ticks. The Yanoama employ tobacco juice for the same purpose

against ticks and sand fleas. Tobacco is highly effective against the dreaded

infestations of a wide-ranging neotropic species of botfly (Dermatobia hominis),

which undergoes its larval development subcutaneously in man and other mammals.

[subcutaneously? What's that? Under the skin!? I'm taking up smoking right now.]

In fact, the Yuracare, Chacobo, Chimane, and Atsahuaca were said to cultivate

tobacco especially as a medicament against this so-called macaque, or mosquito

worm, and to place tobacco powder on the entry spot on the skin to stupefy the

insect and to facilitate its extraction. From the Japurá River, Bates (1864,

2:407) reported that Indians removed the larvae by applying strong tobacco

juice, the same way it is used by Indians of Guiana. The Cuna combat the botfly

larvae by blowing smoke " from a pipe especially prepared and with a specially

treated tobacco into the wound " , and Indians of Surinam extract the

Muskittenwurm by the same method. Worm-infested wounds were treated by the

Tupinamba with strong tobacco juice, and Indians of the Gran Chaco voided

intestinal worms upon application of tobacco powder. "

>

> P. 162-168

> -------------------------------------------------

>

> kixx_rc writes:

>

> Thanks for more follow up info.

> I have a blizzard of roach prufe down in my place (a fresh application just 3

days ago) and in two weeks I'll clean it all up again and may try tobacco this

time.

>

> Just to get the details straight - I went to the american spriit website and

saw the cans you were talking about but there are so many different varieties.

Is there a particular one I should use? Or did you just pick an arbitrary one?

Also, where did you get yours? There is a cigar shop I know of and I can go and

see if they carry cans (basically bulk qty is what i'm looking for) but wanted

to know if there are other better internet options.

>

> I'm not sure why tobacco doesn't get more discussed on the birdmites forum.

So are you totally free of them now and have you cleaned up the tobacco or are

you going to keep it around for some time for insurance?

>

> I don't know what I have. I have never seen a mite crawling around. There are

two kinds of ppl on the birdmties forum. Those that have actually been able to

see and identify the mites and those like me that, no matter how hard we try,

can't see a thing, and we have come to refer to these things as...well, 'things'

b/c we're not sure they are even mites at all.

>

> Finally, was your body infested. Many ppl on the forum suffer from body

infestations as well so even if we treat the env, things are still coming out

and also reproducing in the body. It's a tough process trying to get rid of

them from the body especially. Thanks.

>

> kixx

>

> -----------------------------------------

> From: " SachiArt "

> kixx_rc

> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:40:54 PM

> Subject: how long?

>

> Hi Again~ I have chickens, and I've had the mite problem before. Previously

I've used all kinds of stuff (like is posted on the birdmites site), and it

seemed to work pretty well..

> although I'm beginning to wonder if we've had them much longer than I thought.

>

> This time THEY WERE EVERYWHERE. In my hair, I used a magnifying glass and q

tips with tea tree oil and alcohol to catch them, and watch them DIE!! ICK. I

was a crazy lady for about 3 weeks, I am like the princess and the pea---one

little crawling thing will drive me insane, I could NOT sleep!

>

> When I read the tobacco idea, I researched it--and found (the stuff I sent to

you), and ran out to buy tobacco-------I put handfulls of it inbetween my

sheets, on carpet in the car, furniture, on the dogs, in the nests of the birds,

in the dog beds, and ALL OVER THE

> FLOOOR!!! I was a crazy person, (I thought anyway), I didn't belive it would

be that easy, TRUST ME.

>

> But it was, and that's the only reason I shared it.

>

> Good luck. Put 3 cans on your carpet, in your drawers, car, car seats, get

rid of down pillows or put it in your pillows with the down....every where, in

your hair at night--you can brush it

> out in the morning.

>

> Let me know if you have success.

>

> Bye for now--

>

> -----------------------------------------

>

> In a message dated 4/19/2009 1:54:22 A.M. Hawaiian Standard Time, kixx_rc

writes:

>

> Hi, another question..

> How long were you infested? I'm trying to get a better idea of how severe

your infestation was.

>

> Did your body ever get infested like most other ppl on the forum (mine is)? I

hope not so once your environment is totally free, you'd be free too and not

have to worry about getting them out of your body.

>

> BTW, I live in a sub-800sq ft condo, all hardwood floors except a 5x8 rug in

the living room. I'm glad my place is not bigger or it'd be so much more hell

fighting this. My big problem is my body keeps re-infesting the condo and vice

versa. It's a vicious cyle.

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------

>

> From: " SachiArt "

> kixx_rc

> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:51:18 AM

> Subject: Re: tabacco use

>

> Any tobacco, I used two large cans of American Spirit cigarette tobacco. I put

it everywhere. The car, between the sheets, under the matress, on the dogs fur,

in their beds, on the carpet--I don't have wall to wall, just a few small ones.

I have no idea if it will do the trick on a large carpeted house, though. We

have wood floors in hawaii, I put it on the floors--My entire house was/is still

covered with it just in case.

>

> I will vacuum it soon, and do it again. But so far there are no more

mites...thank

> God!!!

>

> ---------------------------------------------

>

> In a message dated 4/17/2009 4:59:14 P.M. Hawaiian Standard Time, kixx_rc

writes:

>

> Hi ksachi, I saw your post about using tabacco to get rid of your mites. Can

you tell me what you did and which product you used pls?

>

> Thanks!

>

> kixx

>

May 12, 2009

Hi ,

I've been wondering how you are feeling on the Anu water? You mentioned at one time that you are taking it.

Lou

From: <bobbyboyd99@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:51:03 PMSubject: Re: Using tobacco leaves

Thanks Kixx, Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I just threw some around my cars and the perimeter of my family room the other day. We'll see how it works. I'm so glad you didn't start smoking....again I think.Maybe you need to weave a Lei of tabacco for your red blond (Bessie's Blondes!!) purple hair! hahaha I would use an unscented, unflavored strong tabacco if anyone orders any. I do love the smell of Captain Black pipe tobacco in the white pouch. I am very interested in the religious part when you are up to it...b>> For those of you battleing mites, as in you know what you're dealing with and you've seen them, I do want to suggest using tobacco leaves. For those other "unknown" folks, it still may be worth a

try.> > I have been in touch with sachiart from Hawaii about this. She was on the forum briefly last month (April 2009) and she got rid of her mites using tobacco leaves. I have asked her if it's okay to post our email correspondence and of course she was very willing.> > Before I go on, I'll disclose that I actually bought 2lbs of loose tobacco leaves and did one day of tobacco sprinking - but I stopped it due to religious reasons (it's not that tobacco was "bad" but I'll explain it when the time is right) and cleaned it all up but I encourage some other folks to try b/c I didn't get to leave it out long enough to witnes the results. I did sprinkle them over my RP blizzard. Who knows, perhaps this can be the silver bullet.> > I searched for cheap tobacco outlets and found Lil Brown Smoke Shack in Yakima, WA to have the best prices. I bought the following:> > - Vision Hunter Full Flavor 16oz,

$32.95> - Zander Greg Z-120, 16oz, $13.90> > I got two different products b/c I wanted some variety to see if one worked better than the other. Vision Hunter is a RYOT (Roll Your Own Tobacco) product and the leaves are dry and shredded as if you actually ripped apart a cigarette and dumped the leaves out. I got Full Flavor and not Light b/c I figured it would contain the most nicotine. Zander Greg seems to be their in-house brand and the person I spoke to a rep there and he told me that these are leaves for pipe smoking... so they are a bit damp (not wet) but they can be dried out and smoked as cigarettes. Since I have a dehumidifier, I figure, what the heck, let me just get these and they'll be dry in my place anyway. If I were to buy one of the two, I'd probably stick to Vision Hunter since they're more close to the product SachiArt used.> > > So here's the email string:> > ------------ ---------

--------- --------- --------> From: "SachiArt"> kixx_rc> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 9:45:42 PM> Subject: Re: how long?> > Hi There,> > Well...you have a head start. I put in in my pillow cases, between the mattress and inside the sheets! I didn't care if I was weezy, and I wasn't anyway. It might just be the smell of it--it's an unusual smell to have ALL OVER YOU for a few days-----> > I put it in my HAIR. That's where I think they kept hiding. Then I realized I hadn't washed my hair ties with oxy 7-------oh . duh. So then that seemed to really make a difference. I noticed a change right away--in 2 days I didn't have any more on me--or my clothes. I put it in the clothes hamper, and drawers (in some cheese cloth), then I put some mint oil in there, so they wouldn't smell like tobacco--it' s not really that bad---just for sure, not perfume! > > Oh.......the car. I put

it all over the seats, under things, but the bedding was a biggie. That seems to really work~ I got to LIKE having that dry tobacco on my, clean, mite free, naked toes at night....it was reassuring knowing the LITTLE BASTARDS WERE DYING > from it! And they were.> > I vacuumed it once. Then put more down cuz I figured any eggs or dead ones should be whisked away--for the next round of little evil demons. The second round was minimal, and they were easy to get rid of. They vanished also in about 2 days. But the HAIR-------- I don't know if you're a girl or boy, short or long hair--but mine is shoulder length. > > OH---huge. Wash your body with providone (generic betadine). THEY HATE IT. And it's an anti-microbial. ..it stops the itch immediately, probably kills eggs and babies too.. I even washed my mouth with a few drops (and am still doing it every night...) Let it sit on your body for a bout a minute before rinsing it

off. It doesn't stain.> > Let me know how it goes.> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---- > In a message dated 5/7/2009 1:00:12 P.M. Hawaiian Standard Time, kixx_rc writes:> > Hi again,> > I ordered 2lbs of loose tobacco leaves and they just came in today. I haven't gone all crazy with it but started sprinkling some around my condo, esp around the hot spots. I'm really praying this will be the silver bullet.> > How are you doing? Are you still mite free? I sure hope so! And if so, have you vacuumed up all the leaves yet?> > I wanted to ask you how long was it before you sensed that the tobacco leaves were working. And was your body infested as well? That's my problem. My body keeps reinfesting my place, my place reinfests my body.... a vicious cycle. I really hope the tobacco can break the cycle.> > Did you get at all weezy from

all the tobacco sprinkled everywhere? Afterall, it does contain nicotine so I'm sure you'd be exposed to it somewhat. I don't feel naucious but ever so slightly weezy.> > Thanks.> > kixx> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> From: "SachiArt" > kixx_rc> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:24:00 PM> Subject: Re: how long?> > > Hi Again,> > I get ANY type of American spirit tobacco because they don't use pesticides or toxic stuff when they grow it, since I put in in between the sheets where I'm sleeping and in my pillow cases, (just tossed a fistful into the pillow cases), and same inside> sheets especially around feet area.> > I don't get that you can't seem them?? I have a jewelers' magnifying glass--I can see them--they are exactly like the bird mite graphic on the birdmites.org web page. Can you get

your hands on one of those?? When you see them, wow....it's creepy,> and it gave me so much motivation to find a solution--which led me to the birdmites.org site.> > BTW, I'm enclosing the info about the South American indigenous people and ways and methods they used the Sacred Tobacco.> > I hope it works for you---I think u could put it in with the roach pruf and it wouldn't hurt at ALL...make it a more potent combo in fact. > > Good luck!> > PS> > Perhaps you could send this over to the birdmites forum, they might be interested in this.??> > Thanks~> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --> > Sent: 4/4/2009 12:24:33 P.M. Hawaiian Standard Time> Subj: Tobacco as an insecticide> > > Tobacco > Nicotianas have a propensity to grow in quantity on newly disturbed or enriched soil.

Nicotiana rustica, among others, is grows along roads, ditches, and plowed fields. N. Tomentosa has been observed to grow in enriched soil. "The roadside distribution of tobacco coincides with the belief of Brazilian Indians that Kurumpira, a central figure of native lore, lives along the roads where he expects to find tobacco, especially in the form of gifts from passersby. The occurrence of tobacco on sites fertilized by ashes is mentioned in narratives about the origin of crop plants. In PilagÃ¡ mythology a cannibal-woman is killed by the culture hero and from her ashes the first tobacco grows. Grave sites and old abandoned house sites (which often serve as burial grounds) are places of disturbed and enriched soil, and the occurrence of tobacco in quantity on them has not gone unnoticed by the Indians.. In fact, they have etiologically identified the plant with the ancestors and with ancestral deified shamans."> > P. 152>

> Indians recognize tobacco as "a powerful insecticideâ€¦. Tobacco preparations are commonly employed on a physical level to rid seed stock and the human body of insect infestations. On a projected metaphysical level, tobacco products are used to incense people for the purpose of delivering them from pathogenic evil."> > "Nicotine is a powerful insect killerâ€¦. Beginning with a chance discovery by in 1762, nicotine clysters were shown in Western medicine to be effective against intestinal worms. Since then, tobacco has been applied by mouth (Cunningham 1836) and as a cataplasm simultaneously with oral administration (Sigmond 1838) to purge patients of roundworms, tapeworms, threadworms, and pinworms.. More commonly, however, Westerners applied vermifuges in the form of an enema of tobacco infusion."> > Tobacco known as an insecticide since 1690; it was used by South American shamans for this purpose at least as

early as 1641, "when TarairiÃº shamans were observed to fumigate maize "seeds with tobacco smoke to enhance their fertility" (Lowie 1946c:565). The practice of fumigating maize before sowing it is being continued by the GuaranÃ and Yupa at the present time (Cadogan 1958:93; Paolisso, pers. Comm.), and the blowing of smoke over new maize by the TapirapeÃ© (Wagley 1977:195) and over maize and potatoes by the Guambiana (Rowe 1954-55:150- 51) to "cure" or purify them may have its origin in the same kind of farmer's wisdom. Foods like fish and cassava are perserved in a similar way. (Rivero 1956:108-09) ."> > This has been extended so that Indians use tobacco smoke as a ritual of protection. Yaruro shamans blow cigar smoke over parties setting out to hunt, fish, gather, and cultivate, "to protect them from all sorts of potential danger and thereby guarantee an abundant food supply."> > P. 153> > "The Otomac, for

example, rub their bodies with chewing tobacco to dislodge hard-to-remove ticks. The Yanoama employ tobacco juice for the same purpose against ticks and sand fleas. Tobacco is highly effective against the dreaded infestations of a wide-ranging neotropic species of botfly (Dermatobia hominis), which undergoes its larval development subcutaneously in man and other mammals. [subcutaneously? What's that? Under the skin!? I'm taking up smoking right now.] In fact, the Yuracare, Chacobo, Chimane, and Atsahuaca were said to cultivate tobacco especially as a medicament against this so-called macaque, or mosquito worm, and to place tobacco powder on the entry spot on the skin to stupefy the insect and to facilitate its extraction. From the JapurÃ¡ River, Bates (1864, 2:407) reported that Indians removed the larvae by applying strong tobacco juice, the same way it is used by Indians of Guiana.. The Cuna combat the botfly larvae by blowing smoke "from a pipe

especially prepared and with a specially treated tobacco into the wound", and Indians of Surinam extract the Muskittenwurm by the same method. Worm-infested wounds were treated by the Tupinamba with strong tobacco juice, and Indians of the Gran Chaco voided intestinal worms upon application of tobacco powder."> > P. 162-168> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > kixx_rc writes:> > Thanks for more follow up info.> I have a blizzard of roach prufe down in my place (a fresh application just 3 days ago) and in two weeks I'll clean it all up again and may try tobacco this time.> > Just to get the details straight - I went to the american spriit website and saw the cans you were talking about but there are so many different varieties. Is there a particular one I should use? Or did you just pick an arbitrary one? Also, where did you get yours? There is a cigar shop I know

of and I can go and see if they carry cans (basically bulk qty is what i'm looking for) but wanted to know if there are other better internet options..> > I'm not sure why tobacco doesn't get more discussed on the birdmites forum. So are you totally free of them now and have you cleaned up the tobacco or are you going to keep it around for some time for insurance?> > I don't know what I have. I have never seen a mite crawling around. There are two kinds of ppl on the birdmties forum. Those that have actually been able to see and identify the mites and those like me that, no matter how hard we try, can't see a thing, and we have come to refer to these things as...well, 'things' b/c we're not sure they are even mites at all.> > Finally, was your body infested. Many ppl on the forum suffer from body infestations as well so even if we treat the env, things are still coming out and also reproducing in the body. It's a

tough process trying to get rid of them from the body especially. Thanks.> > kixx> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --> From: "SachiArt" > kixx_rc> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:40:54 PM> Subject: how long?> > > Hi Again~ I have chickens, and I've had the mite problem before. Previously I've used all kinds of stuff (like is posted on the birdmites site), and it seemed to work pretty well..> although I'm beginning to wonder if we've had them much longer than I thought.> > This time THEY WERE EVERYWHERE. In my hair, I used a magnifying glass and q tips with tea tree oil and alcohol to catch them, and watch them DIE!! ICK. I was a crazy lady for about 3 weeks, I am like the princess and the pea---one little crawling thing will drive me insane, I could NOT sleep! > > When I read the tobacco idea, I researched it--and found (the

stuff I sent to you), and ran out to buy tobacco----- --I put handfulls of it inbetween my sheets, on carpet in the car, furniture, on the dogs, in the nests of the birds, in the dog beds, and ALL OVER THE> FLOOOR!!! I was a crazy person, (I thought anyway), I didn't belive it would be that easy, TRUST ME.> > But it was, and that's the only reason I shared it.> > Good luck. Put 3 cans on your carpet, in your drawers, car, car seats, get rid of down pillows or put it in your pillows with the down....every where, in your hair at night--you can brush it> out in the morning. > > Let me know if you have success. > > Bye for now--> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- > > In a message dated 4/19/2009 1:54:22 A.M.. Hawaiian Standard Time, kixx_rc writes:> > Hi, another question..> How long were you infested? I'm trying to get a

better idea of how severe your infestation was.> > Did your body ever get infested like most other ppl on the forum (mine is)? I hope not so once your environment is totally free, you'd be free too and not have to worry about getting them out of your body.> > BTW, I live in a sub-800sq ft condo, all hardwood floors except a 5x8 rug in the living room. I'm glad my place is not bigger or it'd be so much more hell fighting this. My big problem is my body keeps re-infesting the condo and vice versa. It's a vicious cyle.> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > From: "SachiArt"> kixx_rc> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 4:51:18 AM> Subject: Re: tabacco use> > Any tobacco, I used two large cans of American Spirit cigarette tobacco. I put it everywhere. The car, between the sheets, under the matress, on the dogs fur, in their beds, on the

carpet--I don't have wall to wall, just a few small ones. I have no idea if it will do the trick on a large carpeted house, though. We have wood floors in hawaii, I put it on the floors--My entire house was/is still covered with it just in case.> > I will vacuum it soon, and do it again. But so far there are no more mites...thank> God!!!> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ------> > In a message dated 4/17/2009 4:59:14 P.M. Hawaiian Standard Time, kixx_rc writes:> > Hi ksachi, I saw your post about using tabacco to get rid of your mites. Can you tell me what you did and which product you used pls?> > Thanks!> > kixx>

May 12, 2009

Hi Lou, I've been meaning to say a big HI to you. I always enjoyed reading your

posts and missed you.

I am feeling like I am constantly having a low to medium level herx with a

fairly high level of energy. What I have noticed so far that it helping my eye

floaters and migraines, when I roll my face I no longer pull colored fibers off,

and I had two lesions that itched underneath that seem to be itching less and

less. Not much to report yet but I've only been on it about 3/4 weeks.

B

> >

> > For those of you battleing mites, as in you know what you're dealing with

and you've seen them, I do want to suggest using tobacco leaves. For those other

" unknown " folks, it still may be worth a try.

> >

> > I have been in touch with sachiart from Hawaii about this. She was on the

forum briefly last month (April 2009) and she got rid of her mites using tobacco

leaves. I have asked her if it's okay to post our email correspondence and of

course she was very willing.

> >

> > Before I go on, I'll disclose that I actually bought 2lbs of loose tobacco

leaves and did one day of tobacco sprinking - but I stopped it due to religious

reasons (it's not that tobacco was " bad " but I'll explain it when the time is

right) and cleaned it all up but I encourage some other folks to try b/c I

didn't get to leave it out long enough to witnes the results. I did sprinkle

them over my RP blizzard. Who knows, perhaps this can be the silver bullet.

> >

> > I searched for cheap tobacco outlets and found Lil Brown Smoke Shack in

Yakima, WA to have the best prices. I bought the following:

> >

> > - Vision Hunter Full Flavor 16oz, $32.95

> > - Zander Greg Z-120, 16oz, $13.90

> >

> > I got two different products b/c I wanted some variety to see if one worked

better than the other. Vision Hunter is a RYOT (Roll Your Own Tobacco) product

and the leaves are dry and shredded as if you actually ripped apart a cigarette

and dumped the leaves out. I got Full Flavor and not Light b/c I figured it

would contain the most nicotine. Zander Greg seems to be their in-house brand

and the person I spoke to a rep there and he told me that these are leaves for

pipe smoking... so they are a bit damp (not wet) but they can be dried out and

smoked as cigarettes. Since I have a dehumidifier, I figure, what the heck, let

me just get these and they'll be dry in my place anyway. If I were to buy one of

the two, I'd probably stick to Vision Hunter since they're more close to the

product SachiArt used.

> >

> > So here's the email string:

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------

> > From: " SachiArt "

> > kixx_rc

> > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 9:45:42 PM

> > Subject: Re: how long?

> >

> > Hi There,

> >

> > Well...you have a head start. I put in in my pillow cases, between the

mattress and inside the sheets! I didn't care if I was weezy, and I wasn't

anyway. It might just be the smell of it--it's an unusual smell to have ALL OVER

YOU for a few days-----

> >

> > I put it in my HAIR. That's where I think they kept hiding. Then I realized

I hadn't washed my hair ties with oxy 7-------oh . duh. So then that seemed to

really make a difference. I noticed a change right away--in 2 days I didn't have

any more on me--or my clothes. I put it in the clothes hamper, and drawers (in

some cheese cloth), then I put some mint oil in there, so they wouldn't smell

like tobacco--it' s not really that bad---just for sure, not perfume!

> >

> > Oh.......the car. I put it all over the seats, under things, but the bedding

was a biggie. That seems to really work~ I got to LIKE having that dry tobacco

on my, clean, mite free, naked toes at night....it was reassuring knowing the

LITTLE BASTARDS WERE DYING

> > from it! And they were.

> >

> > I vacuumed it once. Then put more down cuz I figured any eggs or dead ones

should be whisked away--for the next round of little evil demons. The second

round was minimal, and they were easy to get rid of. They vanished also in about

2 days. But the HAIR-------- I don't know if you're a girl or boy, short or long

hair--but mine is shoulder length.

> >

> > OH---huge. Wash your body with providone (generic betadine). THEY HATE IT.

And it's an anti-microbial. ..it stops the itch immediately, probably kills eggs

and babies too. I even washed my mouth with a few drops (and am still doing it

every night...) Let it sit on your body for a bout a minute before rinsing it

off. It doesn't stain.

> >

> > Let me know how it goes.

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ----

> > In a message dated 5/7/2009 1:00:12 P.M. Hawaiian Standard Time, kixx_rc

writes:

> >

> > Hi again,

> >

> > I ordered 2lbs of loose tobacco leaves and they just came in today. I

haven't gone all crazy with it but started sprinkling some around my condo, esp

around the hot spots. I'm really praying this will be the silver bullet.

> >

> > How are you doing? Are you still mite free? I sure hope so! And if so, have

you vacuumed up all the leaves yet?

> >

> > I wanted to ask you how long was it before you sensed that the tobacco

leaves were working. And was your body infested as well? That's my problem. My

body keeps reinfesting my place, my place reinfests my body.... a vicious cycle.

I really hope the tobacco can break the cycle.

> >

> > Did you get at all weezy from all the tobacco sprinkled everywhere?

Afterall, it does contain nicotine so I'm sure you'd be exposed to it somewhat.

I don't feel naucious but ever so slightly weezy.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > kixx

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > From: " SachiArt "

> > kixx_rc

> > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:24:00 PM

> > Subject: Re: how long?

> >

> > Hi Again,

> >

> > I get ANY type of American spirit tobacco because they don't use pesticides

or toxic stuff when they grow it, since I put in in between the sheets where I'm

sleeping and in my pillow cases, (just tossed a fistful into the pillow cases),

and same inside

> > sheets especially around feet area.

> >

> > I don't get that you can't seem them?? I have a jewelers' magnifying

glass--I can see them--they are exactly like the bird mite graphic on the

birdmites.org web page. Can you get your hands on one of those?? When you see

them, wow....it's creepy,

> > and it gave me so much motivation to find a solution--which led me to the

birdmites.org site.

> >

> > BTW, I'm enclosing the info about the South American indigenous people and

ways and methods they used the Sacred Tobacco.

> >

> > I hope it works for you---I think u could put it in with the roach pruf and

it wouldn't hurt at ALL...make it a more potent combo in fact.

> >

> > Good luck!

> >

> > PS

> >

> > Perhaps you could send this over to the birdmites forum, they might be

interested in this.??

> >

> > Thanks~

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --

> >

> > Sent: 4/4/2009 12:24:33 P.M. Hawaiian Standard Time

> > Subj: Tobacco as an insecticide

> >

> > Tobacco

> > Nicotianas have a propensity to grow in quantity on newly disturbed or

enriched soil. Nicotiana rustica, among others, is grows along roads, ditches,

and plowed fields. N. Tomentosa has been observed to grow in enriched soil. " The

roadside distribution of tobacco coincides with the belief of Brazilian Indians

that Kurumpira, a central figure of native lore, lives along the roads where he

expects to find tobacco, especially in the form of gifts from passersby. The

occurrence of tobacco on sites fertilized by ashes is mentioned in narratives

about the origin of crop plants. In PilagÃ¡ mythology a cannibal-woman is killed

by the culture hero and from her ashes the first tobacco grows. Grave sites and

old abandoned house sites (which often serve as burial grounds) are places of

disturbed and enriched soil, and the occurrence of tobacco in quantity on them

has not gone unnoticed by the Indians.. In fact, they have etiologically

identified the plant with the

> ancestors and with ancestral deified shamans. "

> >

> > P. 152

> >

> > Indians recognize tobacco as " a powerful insecticideâ€¦. Tobacco

preparations are commonly employed on a physical level to rid seed stock and the

human body of insect infestations. On a projected metaphysical level, tobacco

products are used to incense people for the purpose of delivering them from

pathogenic evil. "

> >

> > " Nicotine is a powerful insect killerâ€¦. Beginning with a chance discovery

by in 1762, nicotine clysters were shown in Western medicine to be

effective against intestinal worms. Since then, tobacco has been applied by

mouth (Cunningham 1836) and as a cataplasm simultaneously with oral

administration (Sigmond 1838) to purge patients of roundworms, tapeworms,

threadworms, and pinworms. More commonly, however, Westerners applied vermifuges

in the form of an enema of tobacco infusion. "

> >

> > Tobacco known as an insecticide since 1690; it was used by South American

shamans for this purpose at least as early as 1641, " when TarairiÃº shamans were

observed to fumigate maize " seeds with tobacco smoke to enhance their fertility "

(Lowie 1946c:565). The practice of fumigating maize before sowing it is being

continued by the GuaranÃ and Yupa at the present time (Cadogan 1958:93;

Paolisso, pers. Comm.), and the blowing of smoke over new maize by the

TapirapeÃ© (Wagley 1977:195) and over maize and potatoes by the Guambiana (Rowe

1954-55:150- 51) to " cure " or purify them may have its origin in the same kind

of farmer's wisdom. Foods like fish and cassava are perserved in a similar way.

(Rivero 1956:108-09) . "

> >

> > This has been extended so that Indians use tobacco smoke as a ritual of

protection. Yaruro shamans blow cigar smoke over parties setting out to hunt,

fish, gather, and cultivate, " to protect them from all sorts of potential danger

and thereby guarantee an abundant food supply. "

> >

> > P. 153

> >

> > " The Otomac, for example, rub their bodies with chewing tobacco to dislodge