Re: why do I bother trying?

[Guest guest]

Keep on trying, you are worth it.Hugs JelayneOn Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:29 AM, The Dragon <dragonsteeluk@...> wrote:

 

My weight is hurtling upwards again, I feel depressed, my skin is dry and flaking, my body is letting me down and I wish I wasn't alive.

The Dragon

http://tempewytch.typepad.com/tempewytchs-crafts-and-s/

http://tempewytch.typepad.com/tempewytchhealthyliving/

[Guest guest]

Oh Dragon :(You can do this! We are here to support each other, and while some of us do a Lot more lurking than posting *very sheepish look, squirming*, we've all been there.About to head off on a ramble, but please bear with me. I don't post often, and truth told, I spend a lot more time rebelling against the eating better and exercising than I should. (Oh, and just so you know, I'm Taryn. I live in Wyoming in the US with my dad and brother and border collie mix, I'm 40 *whimper*, I'm 5'0 " and 287 lbs (would that be 10 stone or 20 stone? I don't remember.) and I'm still working retail. Not that you asked, but just so you know me a little better )

Okay, back on track here *grin* The cold winds this time of year are not fabulous for skin. In my personal experience, changing what I eat also adds to the general dryness, flaking, and itchiness. Not sure why. Think it has to do with vitamins maybe... Anyway, what helps me, when I can make myself expend the energy, is to take about a half hour before bed (or when I get up, if I leave myself enough time), and just take the time to rub lotion over the parts I can reach. Not just slop-slop-rub, on to the next area, but just rubbing it in, paying attention to how that area looks and just enjoying the feeling of the massage. It is a way to show me that I do love myself, even though it's hard sometimes. Feet especially love this, even though they're difficult to reach, and it's wonderful to watch them pink up after a couple minutes attention Anyway, it helps me, may help you, or your mileage may vary Wanted to offer the thought.

But it's okay. This is hard to do. Our bodies don't always work the way we want, and the weight adds a lot of wear and tear on them. I know that one from experience too. *sigh* We just gotta take it a little slower sometimes and listen to our bodies.

Definitely glad you're here though, and not dead. As long as you're alive, things can change! :DAnyway, I will shut up now. I have doggy eyes staring at my backside willing me to go outside with her. LOL She's overweight too, so I try to walk her, when I feel good, have time, and the weather permits. Today looks to be one of those days So gonna hop off and get that done so I can get to work on the daily stuff (dishes, laundry, etc).

You take care of yourself, and I appreciate you listening to my two cents worth... well, okay, more like 25 cents worth, since I have problems being brief Taryn in WY

[Guest guest]

Another lurker coming out - was just wondering if anyone in the group is familiar with Dr. Fuhrman, specifically his Eat to Live book and program, which emphasizes a plant based diet, lots of nutrient-dense foods, legumes, etc. I know many people have lost significant weight on the program, while as the same time, gaining health, experiencing no hunger due to the fiber and nutrient dense foods, and basically reversing various ailments (cholesterol, hypertension, etc.) associated with ill health or obesity. I'm in no way affiliated with him or the program but I do belong to the group and also have the book. I eat a lot of whole foods and try to concentrate on a plant based diet as well. I find that I feel better and lighter - not sluggish, sick, weighed down, etc., when I do that. Just thought I'd mention it as it may be something to try when so much else has failed and frustrations are an all time peak. Thea From: 100-plus [mailto:100-plus ] On Behalf Of Taryn KirchenSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:01 PM100-plus Subject: Re: why do I bother trying? Oh Dragon :(You can do this! We are here to support each other, and while some of us do a Lot more lurking than posting *very sheepish look, squirming*, we've all been there.About to head off on a ramble, but please bear with me. I don't post often, and truth told, I spend a lot more time rebelling against the eating better and exercising than I should. (Oh, and just so you know, I'm Taryn. I live in Wyoming in the US with my dad and brother and border collie mix, I'm 40 *whimper*, I'm 5'0 " and 287 lbs (would that be 10 stone or 20 stone? I don't remember.) and I'm still working retail. Not that you asked, but just so you know me a little better )Okay, back on track here *grin* The cold winds this time of year are not fabulous for skin. In my personal experience, changing what I eat also adds to the general dryness, flaking, and itchiness. Not sure why. Think it has to do with vitamins maybe... Anyway, what helps me, when I can make myself expend the energy, is to take about a half hour before bed (or when I get up, if I leave myself enough time), and just take the time to rub lotion over the parts I can reach. Not just slop-slop-rub, on to the next area, but just rubbing it in, paying attention to how that area looks and just enjoying the feeling of the massage. It is a way to show me that I do love myself, even though it's hard sometimes. Feet especially love this, even though they're difficult to reach, and it's wonderful to watch them pink up after a couple minutes attention Anyway, it helps me, may help you, or your mileage may vary Wanted to offer the thought.But it's okay. This is hard to do. Our bodies don't always work the way we want, and the weight adds a lot of wear and tear on them. I know that one from experience too. *sigh* We just gotta take it a little slower sometimes and listen to our bodies. Definitely glad you're here though, and not dead. As long as you're alive, things can change! :DAnyway, I will shut up now. I have doggy eyes staring at my backside willing me to go outside with her. LOL She's overweight too, so I try to walk her, when I feel good, have time, and the weather permits. Today looks to be one of those days So gonna hop off and get that done so I can get to work on the daily stuff (dishes, laundry, etc).You take care of yourself, and I appreciate you listening to my two cents worth... well, okay, more like 25 cents worth, since I have problems being brief Taryn in WY

[Guest guest]

I looked into Dr. Fuhrman's diet approach. Decided it wasn't for me -- he has a heavy emphasis on beans and mushrooms -- neither of which that I enjoy eating. Dacia<>< ". . .

some people brought a deaf man to Jesus." Mark 7:32Lutheran Deaf Mission Societywww.LDMSPah.typepad.comSee Jesus . . . Serve Jesus

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I've lurked here for years, just listening and never participating.

Dragon: I'm so sorry.... I've been in a dark hole where giving up seemed to be the only answer. Thought nothing could ever get better and I was doomed to just live in that dark place.

About a year ago, I was beyond desperate to rebuild my life and yet didn't believe that was possible. That desperation and pain has fueled the beginnings of a recovery that is on going. In the last year I've lost 73+ lbs so far. So, I guess what I'm saying is that deperate black hole where there isn't any hope is as good as another place to begin again. Will it be easy... no... neither working a healthy program or living in that hole is "easy".... but, there is hope for recovery - little by little, a day at a time - change is possible.

infopilot

I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them never happened. ~ Mark Twain

100-plus ; bambam0508@...; flydieters ; Lean-And-Luscious-Kitchen-Witchery ; rationbookdiet@...; Witches_will_be_well@...; Witchy_Weight_Loss From: dragonsteeluk@...Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:29:21 +0000Subject: why do I bother trying?

My weight is hurtling upwards again, I feel depressed, my skin is dry and flaking, my body is letting me down and I wish I wasn't alive. The Dragon http://tempewytch.typepad.com/tempewytchs-crafts-and-s/http://tempewytch.typepad.com/tempewytchhealthyliving/

[Guest guest]

On 11/29/2011 4:41 PM,

Dacia wrote:

I looked into Dr.

Fuhrman's diet approach. Decided it wasn't for me -- he

has a heavy emphasis on beans and mushrooms -- neither of

which that I enjoy eating.

GOMBS - Greens, Onions, Mushrooms, Beans/Berries, Seeds (and nuts),

his latest list of Superfoods.

Some rules of the Eat to Live program:

Minimum of a pound of RAW veggies a day

Minimum of a pound of COOKED veggies a day

Minimum of a cup of beans a day

An ounce of nuts a day *if* there's no medical problems, like

heart disease or diabetes

Fresh fruit unlimited

MAXIMUM of a cup of starch a day for the first 6 weeks, continue

if trying to lose weight.

He may have revised some of these in his revised edition of the

book.

A lot of people dislike this program because of all the veggies -

they take up a lot of room in the refrigerator, can't be stored

for long so you have to shop more often, and it can get pretty

expensive trying to stay stocked up. They empty pretty fast out of

the stomach so you get hungrier sooner, so you're forced to eat

more beans (because other starches are limited) and then you get

bloated with super gas. Weight loss is great in the beginning,

like most other restricted food plans, but your body gets used to

the lower level of calories, then when you start adding more beans

and nuts because you're hungry, the calories go back up again so

you start gaining weight. Plus it gets boring after a while.

A lot of people left Fuhrman's plans to do the McDougall programs

instead (http://www.drmcdougall.com ) because he allows more

starches, even calls his a "starch-based program" and refuses to

call it vegan or even vegetarian, even though all animal foods are

forbidden. All added fats (oil, margarine, etc.) and high fat

foods are forbidden. Nuts are restricted to only healthy people at

healthy weights. But he restricts beans to a cup a day in all

versions of his program, because he also advocates low protein as

well as low fat. Fresh fruits are limited to only 2 daily, nuts

and seeds, as well as dried fruits and ANY processed foods are off

limits in the "Maximum Weight Loss" version of his program.

Diabetics have to take a leap of faith, because although they're

now getting better cholesterol numbers and many are losing weight,

blood sugars go up a bit in the beginning, and many have found it

takes close to a year of *strict* no-added-fat compliance before

they go back down. He (and other vegan docs like Barnard, Ornish,

Esselstyn, even Fuhrman) feel it's fat, not carbs, that causes

diabetes and raises blood sugars. When weight loss doesn't happen

as easily as the books boast people are told to start restricting

their starches, sometimes down to Fuhrman's levels. In one of his

newsletters he advocated people with stubborn weight loss to look

into the original Rice Diet, which was a cup of rice, a cup of

fruit for each meal

(http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/november/051100vol.htm ),

a program that was less than 900 calories a day. That's much

different than the Rice Diet today

(http://forums.ricediet.com/topic/7749-where-can-i-get-the-menu/page__view__findpost__p__58522

). So with the nut and bean restrictions, and now restricted

starches, what's left but green & yellow veggies. And some

people find they still can't lose weight on the Maximum Weight

Loss program until they also start restricting the starches, even

through the doc still insists it's a starch based program. Others,

mostly those who can lose weight on *any* restricted program

because they were previously eating a few thousand calories a day

immediately prior to starting the diet, easily lose large amounts

of weight for a while before hitting the inevitable plateau.

Both programs, Fuhrman's and McDougall's, also stress the

importance of exercise. Dr. F is a former Olympic skater and works

out a few hours daily, and Dr. McD is an avid wind surfer. Both

doctors say a MINIMUM of an hour of aerobic exercise *daily* is

required, along with 3 times a week strength training. Both say

you will NOT lose weight without both the restricted food plan and

the exercise.

Eat to Live is a great program IF you can tolerate and afford a

lot of fresh produce.

McDougall's programs are great IF you can tolerate the starches.

But like any weight loss plan, you have to make it a total

lifestyle change. You have to eat this way for the rest of your

life. You have to get that much exercise for the rest of your

life. You have to be prepared to eat *less* and exercise *more* as

you get lighter and older. Weight loss is hard work and takes a

lifetime commitment.

Sue in NJ

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your thoughts, Sue. I do know that the McDougall program is an option preferred by many, which is understandable. I personally feel that following the basic concepts of either program (plant-based mostly, some raw, fruit, seeds and nuts) is a healthy alternative to the generally highly processed diet most people eat, so any ability to follow just some (and not necessarily all to the exact letter) of the recommendations would be beneficial, IMHO. Thanks again for your lengthy discussion of the diets. Helps to clarify for those who are not familiar. And of course, your last statements say it all - it must be a lifestyle change, incorporated along with exercise. There are no short cuts! Thea From: 100-plus [mailto:100-plus ] On Behalf Of Sue in NJSent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:57 AM100-plus Subject: Re: Re: why do I bother trying? On 11/29/2011 4:41 PM, Dacia wrote: I looked into Dr. Fuhrman's diet approach. Decided it wasn't for me -- he has a heavy emphasis on beans and mushrooms -- neither of which that I enjoy eating.GOMBS - Greens, Onions, Mushrooms, Beans/Berries, Seeds (and nuts), his latest list of Superfoods.Some rules of the Eat to Live program:Minimum of a pound of RAW veggies a dayMinimum of a pound of COOKED veggies a dayMinimum of a cup of beans a dayAn ounce of nuts a day *if* there's no medical problems, like heart disease or diabetesFresh fruit unlimitedMAXIMUM of a cup of starch a day for the first 6 weeks, continue if trying to lose weight.He may have revised some of these in his revised edition of the book.A lot of people dislike this program because of all the veggies - they take up a lot of room in the refrigerator, can't be stored for long so you have to shop more often, and it can get pretty expensive trying to stay stocked up. They empty pretty fast out of the stomach so you get hungrier sooner, so you're forced to eat more beans (because other starches are limited) and then you get bloated with super gas. Weight loss is great in the beginning, like most other restricted food plans, but your body gets used to the lower level of calories, then when you start adding more beans and nuts because you're hungry, the calories go back up again so you start gaining weight. Plus it gets boring after a while.A lot of people left Fuhrman's plans to do the McDougall programs instead (http://www.drmcdougall.com ) because he allows more starches, even calls his a " starch-based program " and refuses to call it vegan or even vegetarian, even though all animal foods are forbidden. All added fats (oil, margarine, etc.) and high fat foods are forbidden. Nuts are restricted to only healthy people at healthy weights. But he restricts beans to a cup a day in all versions of his program, because he also advocates low protein as well as low fat. Fresh fruits are limited to only 2 daily, nuts and seeds, as well as dried fruits and ANY processed foods are off limits in the " Maximum Weight Loss " version of his program. Diabetics have to take a leap of faith, because although they're now getting better cholesterol numbers and many are losing weight, blood sugars go up a bit in the beginning, and many have found it takes close to a year of *strict* no-added-fat compliance before they go back down. He (and other vegan docs like Barnard, Ornish, Esselstyn, even Fuhrman) feel it's fat, not carbs, that causes diabetes and raises blood sugars. When weight loss doesn't happen as easily as the books boast people are told to start restricting their starches, sometimes down to Fuhrman's levels. In one of his newsletters he advocated people with stubborn weight loss to look into the original Rice Diet, which was a cup of rice, a cup of fruit for each meal (http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/november/051100vol.htm ), a program that was less than 900 calories a day. That's much different than the Rice Diet today (http://forums.ricediet.com/topic/7749-where-can-i-get-the-menu/page__view__findpost__p__58522 ). So with the nut and bean restrictions, and now restricted starches, what's left but green & yellow veggies. And some people find they still can't lose weight on the Maximum Weight Loss program until they also start restricting the starches, even through the doc still insists it's a starch based program. Others, mostly those who can lose weight on *any* restricted program because they were previously eating a few thousand calories a day immediately prior to starting the diet, easily lose large amounts of weight for a while before hitting the inevitable plateau.Both programs, Fuhrman's and McDougall's, also stress the importance of exercise. Dr. F is a former Olympic skater and works out a few hours daily, and Dr. McD is an avid wind surfer. Both doctors say a MINIMUM of an hour of aerobic exercise *daily* is required, along with 3 times a week strength training. Both say you will NOT lose weight without both the restricted food plan and the exercise.Eat to Live is a great program IF you can tolerate and afford a lot of fresh produce.McDougall's programs are great IF you can tolerate the starches.But like any weight loss plan, you have to make it a total lifestyle change. You have to eat this way for the rest of your life. You have to get that much exercise for the rest of your life. You have to be prepared to eat *less* and exercise *more* as you get lighter and older. Weight loss is hard work and takes a lifetime commitment.Sue in NJ

[Guest guest]

On 11/29/2011 5:29 AM, The Dragon wrote:

My weight is hurtling upwards again, I feel depressed, my

skin is dry and flaking, my body is letting me down

Welcome to my life! One thing abut weight loss is that it's a

constant battle! We have to be ever vigilant! And ever changing! Our

bodies do NOT want to give up the weight it has - it's a survival

mechanism built into our DNA since caveman days. The ones with the

most fat survived all the famines. When food is scarce our

metabolisms slow down to preserve all the fat we have. When we move

more and try to trick our bodies into burning the fat the metabolism

slows down even more. This is why we have to constantly tweak our

food and exercise programs. This why plateaus and regains are

constants in any weight loss program.

It takes a "normal" body about 6 weeks to realize there's less

food/more exercise going on before it starts to slow down and weight

loss plateaus. People like US, women, chronic dieters, sometimes

older, our bodies are different. They've been through this time and

time again. They can tell, sometimes within DAYS, and "WHOA! Another

famine is here! Stop feeding the furnace! Gotta conserve fuel! We're

not gonna be tricked into losing this fat *again*! We're too smart

for this!!"

And we stop losing weight.

To get weight loss started again we have to either stay the course

and hope our bodies eventually realize that there *is* a steady

stream of fuel coming in, or force it into losing again (then

slowing down again) by eating less and exercising more. Some

plateaus reverse themselves within days. Some take a few *months* or

more of staying the course before our bodies trust us again and

start letting go of the excess fat. Everyone is different.

And we have to do this for the rest of our lives.

>and I wish I

wasn't alive.

__._

Why? Because you have more weight than many other people? You

*really* need to look into some size acceptance sites. Start with

Marilyn Wann's book Fat!So?, Dr. Bacon's Health at Every Size,

Kate Harding's Lessons from the Fat-o-sphere, even Kolata's (NY

Times health writer) book Rethinking Thin. Read some old issues of

Radiance Magazine on-line (http://www.radiancemagazine.com/ ) or any

(or all) of the books on this page:

http://www.radiancemagazine.com/kids_project/size_positive_books.htm

There's a lot to live for even if you're not a thin person! Fat

people have full and exciting lives, too. By eating right and

getting enough exercise we may not be what society calls "thin" but

we CAN be much healthier than if we *don't* do the right

things. The world is made up of very diverse sized people. Not

everyone can be tall and thin (ectomorph body type). There are a lot

of chunky people around, too (endomorphs). There ARE healthy - and

happy - fat people out there, too! You can find a bunch here on

groups on the SizeWise groups (there are 3) or Google "size

acceptance blogs" for a whole list of blogs by fat people, some

happy with their size, some who are trying to maintain a large

weight loss (http://justmaintaining.com/ ).

Sue in NJ

[Guest guest]

On 11/30/2011 8:06 AM, Thea Barbato wrote:

Thanks for your

thoughts, Sue. I do know that the McDougall program is an

option preferred by many, which is understandable. I

personally feel that following the basic concepts of either

program (plant-based mostly, some raw, fruit, seeds and

nuts) is a healthy alternative to the generally highly

processed diet most people eat, so any ability to follow

just some (and not necessarily all to the exact letter) of

the recommendations would be beneficial, IMHO.

Jeff Novick, Dr. McDougall's resident dietician, has said that the 2

doctors agree on 95% of things, that to concentrate on the 5% they

disagree with is absurd.

Dr. McD holds live-in seminars a few times a year, and his next

Advanced Study Weekend in February is going to feature Dr. Fuhrman

as a guest speaker. He's looking forward to listening to what he has

to say and said he might schedule a friendly debate or panel

discussion with him as part of the weekend. They've met in panel

discussions in the past.

http://www.drmcdougall.com/health_3_day_program.html

Sue in NJ

who eats more beans and nuts and less starch than McD allows and

more starch but less green than Dr F does

[Guest guest]

Hi TarynOkay I am , 46, live just outside Cambridge (UK) with my husband and a Cairn terrier, I'm 5' 6.4" and 303 lb (which is 21 stone 9 lb or 137 kg), I am disabled and have hypothyroidism, CFS and SAD (oh and chronic pain!)I do moisturise .... hoo boy do I moisturise! but within 5 mins my skin is dry and flaky again (which is a side effect of my thyroid being out of kilter), I can't take anti-depressants as they make me suicidal (even more than not having them does!) I guess I need to up the St 's Wort (which I can take) and get through the SAD as well as I can :(The Dragon http://tempewytch.typepad.com/tempewytchs-crafts-and-s/http://tempewytch.typepad.com/tempewytchhealthyliving/--- On Tue, 29/11/11, Taryn Kirchen <taryn.around@...> wrote:From: Taryn Kirchen <taryn.around@...>Subject: Re: why do I bother trying?100-plus Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 18:00

Oh Dragon :(You can do this! We are here to support each other, and while some of us do a Lot more lurking than posting *very sheepish look, squirming*, we've all been there.About to head off on a ramble, but please bear with me. I don't post often, and truth told, I spend a lot more time rebelling against the eating better and exercising than I should. (Oh, and just so you know, I'm Taryn. I live in Wyoming in the US with my dad and brother and border collie mix, I'm 40 *whimper*, I'm 5'0" and 287 lbs (would that be 10 stone or 20 stone? I don't remember.) and I'm still working retail. Not that you asked, but just so you know me a little better )

Okay, back on track here *grin* The cold winds this time of year are not fabulous for skin. In my personal experience, changing what I eat also adds to the general dryness, flaking, and itchiness. Not sure why. Think it has to do with vitamins maybe... Anyway, what helps me, when I can make myself expend the energy, is to take about a half hour before bed (or when I get up, if I leave myself enough time), and just take the time to rub lotion over the parts I can reach. Not just slop-slop-rub, on to the next area, but just rubbing it in, paying attention to how that area looks and just enjoying the feeling of the massage. It is a way to show me that I do love myself, even though it's hard sometimes. Feet especially love this, even though they're difficult to reach, and it's wonderful to watch them pink up after a couple minutes attention Anyway, it helps me, may help you, or your mileage may vary Wanted to offer the thought.

But it's okay. This is hard to do. Our bodies don't always work the way we want, and the weight adds a lot of wear and tear on them. I know that one from experience too. *sigh* We just gotta take it a little slower sometimes and listen to our bodies.

Definitely glad you're here though, and not dead. As long as you're alive, things can change! :DAnyway, I will shut up now. I have doggy eyes staring at my backside willing me to go outside with her. LOL She's overweight too, so I try to walk her, when I feel good, have time, and the weather permits. Today looks to be one of those days So gonna hop off and get that done so I can get to work on the daily stuff (dishes, laundry, etc).

You take care of yourself, and I appreciate you listening to my two cents worth... well, okay, more like 25 cents worth, since I have problems being brief Taryn in WY

[Guest guest]

Thank you infopilot (and others that responded), I hope to get through this - just seems never ending at the momentThe Dragon http://tempewytch.typepad.com/tempewytchs-crafts-and-s/http://tempewytch.typepad.com/tempewytchhealthyliving/--- On Tue, 29/11/11,

Info Pilot <jr_pw@...> wrote:From: Info Pilot <jr_pw@...>Subject: RE: why do I bother trying?100-plus Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 21:58

Hi Everyone,

I've lurked here for years, just listening and never participating.

Dragon: I'm so sorry.... I've been in a dark hole where giving up seemed to be the only answer. Thought nothing could ever get better and I was doomed to just live in that dark place.

About a year ago, I was beyond desperate to rebuild my life and yet didn't believe that was possible. That desperation and pain has fueled the beginnings of a recovery that is on going. In the last year I've lost 73+ lbs so far. So, I guess what I'm saying is that deperate black hole where there isn't any hope is as good as another place to begin again. Will it be easy... no... neither working a healthy program or living in that hole is "easy".... but, there is hope for recovery - little by little, a day at a time - change is possible.

infopilot

I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them never happened. ~ Mark Twain

100-plus ; bambam0508@...; flydieters ; Lean-And-Luscious-Kitchen-Witchery ; rationbookdiet@...; Witches_will_be_well@...; Witchy_Weight_Loss From: dragonsteeluk@...Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:29:21 +0000Subject: why do I bother trying?

My weight is hurtling upwards again, I feel depressed, my skin is dry and flaking, my body is letting me down and I wish I wasn't alive. The Dragon http://tempewytch.typepad.com/tempewytchs-crafts-and-s/http://tempewytch.typepad.com/tempewytchhealthyliving/

[Guest guest]

Taryn,I am currently reading a book that has really been helping me with gaining a new perspective on lifestyle changes, etc. The book is Dr. A's Habits of Health. It is written by Dr. Wayne . He is the medical director of Medifast. Medifast is the weight loss system that I am currently following. Take some time to check out his website: http://www.drwayneandersen.com/I got my copy of the book at www.Amazon.com.A lot of the stuff in the book are things I already know; but for some reason it is "clicking" with me this time around. For me it seems as if it is a way of life that I can life with the rest of my

life. Dacia<>< ". . . some people brought a deaf man to Jesus." Mark 7:32Lutheran Deaf Mission Societywww.LDMSPah.typepad.comSee Jesus . . . Serve Jesus

[Guest guest]

How did you start to get out of the black hole?

why do I bother trying?

My weight is hurtling upwards again, I feel depressed, my skin is dry and flaking, my body is letting me down and I wish I wasn't alive.

The Dragon http://tempewytch.typepad.com/tempewytchs-crafts-and-s/http://tempewytch.typepad.com/tempewytchhealthyliving/

[Guest guest]

HI ~

Ironically, realizing I was lost and everything I was trying to do wasn't working. I was desperate and totally thought things would never change.

My therapist at the time gave me an ultimatum... either go to Craig & /or Overeaters Anonymous or we can't work together anymore. I knew Craig wouldn't work, I've tried several commercial weight loss programs, they are great for some... but, for me, they don't work. I had even attended OA meetings for awhile and didn't think this time would be any different.

So, basically with a "see I told you this wouldn't work" attitude, I walked into OA again. This time I was desperate enough and willing to listen to people who had rebuilt their lives... maybe just maybe, although, I still have my doubts, this program will work for me...

I've met some amazing people who were in tremendous pain and now are living the life of their dreams... and have had a couple really amazing sponsors... including the lady I am currently working with.... her one requirement is that we laugh, a lot... I so need that... especially where there wasn't much laughter in the past.

I'm working with a new therapist... and have begun to put myself out there to meet new people, very slowly...

Take care of you today... you are very special and deserve some self care and love today. What would that look like for you today? Maybe that's a good first step...

infopilot

I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them never happened. ~ Mark Twain

100-plus From: Jase4567@...Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 07:06:39 -0500Subject: Re: why do I bother trying?

How did you start to get out of the black hole?

why do I bother trying?

My weight is hurtling upwards again, I feel depressed, my skin is dry and flaking, my body is letting me down and I wish I wasn't alive. The Dragon http://tempewytch.typepad.com/tempewytchs-crafts-and-s/http://tempewytch.typepad.com/tempewytchhealthyliving/