Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 I'm confused, it sounds like you are making a case for vaccines? Uh, 448,000 people do not die in the US from measles, and if they did, wouldn't that tell you that vaccinations are not working! It's possible that 448,000 die WORLD WIDE, but I still would question that number totally. I am the mother of two vaccine injured chidlren, one is a life long injury, so you're not likely to tell me that vaccines are safe............ New member & Quesiton Hello, I just joined up last week but haven't had time to write my intro. I have a 19 month old boy who I unfortunately started to vaccinate - all the way up to 12 months. While I was pregnant I had really questioned vaccines and their safety/necessity, had red Romm's book on Vaccinations, intereviewed 5 doctors with this as the most pivitol question. However, after Valor came - PPD showed up. Not to put all the blame on that... all the doctors I had intereviewed had really scared me about not vaccinating. ..and I couldn't convince my husband. So we started them at 2 months. Well, over that year I got involved with a local Weston Price chapter and started to have my eyes opened more and more. Finally I decided to re-investigate and that is when I found Dr. Tenpenny's videos. Most of the info I head read in the book. But it was the last part of her first video about (CDC & what their doc. reveal) about what is put into these vaccines besides the diseases that really got me. I was crying for my son, for me and for all the kids out there that get these vaccines. Why is it as a human race we think we can continually inject and/or expose ourselves to such harmful substances and think we will never be affected by them? Is it pride, ignorance? What is it??? Anywho, I am now on a mission to share all this info with my friends - and most have been open to it. They might not listen for themselves, but when you put it in the context of their kids...they are interested. My question is this: I obviously have heard what our side has to say about the myths of the vaccine industry. But I really wanted to read some more from the CDC...just to see what they are saying. I have found a few things that truly just blow my mind... something about how people are still getting measles today and 488,000 or so people die from it every year. Or how about the following - which really blows my mind. I had to read it serveral times to understand what they are saying, which I really don't: Vaccines have been so successful in preventing disease in the U.S. that in recent years, the annual number of reports to VAERS have exceeded the total number of reports of routine childhood vaccine-preventable disease. This may lead some people to believe that the vaccines are dangerous. However, based on the very large numbers of data collected nationwide through the various data systems, the risk of a serious adverse reaction to an immunization is extremely small. The risk of the disease itself is substantially more serious than the risk of the immunization. The risks of specific vaccines are posted on the CDC National Immunization Program home page, which you can access by clicking here. Anywho, if any of you can share what information from the CDC or AAP you come up against the most in defending to your friends why you don't vaccinate, that would be helpful in my research. Thanks, Holli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 I don't think she was a making a case to vaccinate but she had copied and pasted something she didn't understand... that's what I got out of it anyways. I think the C & P'ed started at the " : " and the next paragraph. Perhaps she had it differently in her orginal email and didn't realize that this group strips away all formatting... BTW, Holly, I'm glad your eyes have been opened I can't answer your question, although I'm sure there are others here that can. Alison, extended breastfeeding, co-sleeping, non-vaccinating, non-circumcizing, UC, LA sahm to: Calista (2-13-99) Ursula (12-22-02) Wyatt (12-20-05) New member & Quesiton Hello, I just joined up last week but haven't had time to write my intro. I have a 19 month old boy who I unfortunately started to vaccinate - all the way up to 12 months. While I was pregnant I had really questioned vaccines and their safety/necessity, had red Romm's book on Vaccinations, intereviewed 5 doctors with this as the most pivitol question. However, after Valor came - PPD showed up. Not to put all the blame on that... all the doctors I had intereviewed had really scared me about not vaccinating. ..and I couldn't convince my husband. So we started them at 2 months. Well, over that year I got involved with a local Weston Price chapter and started to have my eyes opened more and more. Finally I decided to re-investigate and that is when I found Dr. Tenpenny's videos. Most of the info I head read in the book. But it was the last part of her first video about (CDC & what their doc. reveal) about what is put into these vaccines besides the diseases that really got me. I was crying for my son, for me and for all the kids out there that get these vaccines. Why is it as a human race we think we can continually inject and/or expose ourselves to such harmful substances and think we will never be affected by them? Is it pride, ignorance? What is it??? Anywho, I am now on a mission to share all this info with my friends - and most have been open to it. They might not listen for themselves, but when you put it in the context of their kids...they are interested. My question is this: I obviously have heard what our side has to say about the myths of the vaccine industry. But I really wanted to read some more from the CDC...just to see what they are saying. I have found a few things that truly just blow my mind... something about how people are still getting measles today and 488,000 or so people die from it every year. Or how about the following - which really blows my mind. I had to read it serveral times to understand what they are saying, which I really don't: Vaccines have been so successful in preventing disease in the U.S. that in recent years, the annual number of reports to VAERS have exceeded the total number of reports of routine childhood vaccine-preventable disease. This may lead some people to believe that the vaccines are dangerous. However, based on the very large numbers of data collected nationwide through the various data systems, the risk of a serious adverse reaction to an immunization is extremely small. The risk of the disease itself is substantially more serious than the risk of the immunization. The risks of specific vaccines are posted on the CDC National Immunization Program home page, which you can access by clicking here. Anywho, if any of you can share what information from the CDC or AAP you come up against the most in defending to your friends why you don't vaccinate, that would be helpful in my research. Thanks, Holli [ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Ahhh, could be!! New member & Quesiton Hello, I just joined up last week but haven't had time to write my intro. I have a 19 month old boy who I unfortunately started to vaccinate - all the way up to 12 months. While I was pregnant I had really questioned vaccines and their safety/necessity, had red Romm's book on Vaccinations, intereviewed 5 doctors with this as the most pivitol question. However, after Valor came - PPD showed up. Not to put all the blame on that... all the doctors I had intereviewed had really scared me about not vaccinating. ..and I couldn't convince my husband. So we started them at 2 months. Well, over that year I got involved with a local Weston Price chapter and started to have my eyes opened more and more. Finally I decided to re-investigate and that is when I found Dr. Tenpenny's videos. Most of the info I head read in the book. But it was the last part of her first video about (CDC & what their doc. reveal) about what is put into these vaccines besides the diseases that really got me. I was crying for my son, for me and for all the kids out there that get these vaccines. Why is it as a human race we think we can continually inject and/or expose ourselves to such harmful substances and think we will never be affected by them? Is it pride, ignorance? What is it??? Anywho, I am now on a mission to share all this info with my friends - and most have been open to it. They might not listen for themselves, but when you put it in the context of their kids...they are interested. My question is this: I obviously have heard what our side has to say about the myths of the vaccine industry. But I really wanted to read some more from the CDC...just to see what they are saying. I have found a few things that truly just blow my mind... something about how people are still getting measles today and 488,000 or so people die from it every year. Or how about the following - which really blows my mind. I had to read it serveral times to understand what they are saying, which I really don't: Vaccines have been so successful in preventing disease in the U.S. that in recent years, the annual number of reports to VAERS have exceeded the total number of reports of routine childhood vaccine-preventable disease. This may lead some people to believe that the vaccines are dangerous. However, based on the very large numbers of data collected nationwide through the various data systems, the risk of a serious adverse reaction to an immunization is extremely small. The risk of the disease itself is substantially more serious than the risk of the immunization. The risks of specific vaccines are posted on the CDC National Immunization Program home page, which you can access by clicking here. Anywho, if any of you can share what information from the CDC or AAP you come up against the most in defending to your friends why you don't vaccinate, that would be helpful in my research. Thanks, Holli [ .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 I don't think she is making a case for vaccines either. Really, it is confusing.....at first. At first you study up on vaccines and your eyes do start opening up to the truths and the lies behind it and you feel 100% sure that you will make the right decision by not vaccinating your children. Then you go to the doctor's office for the first visit and with all his fancy statistics and scare tacticts, your self confidence suddenly shrinks. We have heard our entire lives how vaccines are the greatest gift to mankind so it really is hard to change your mind set, even though it eventually does happen because the truth always wins. Even when you do feel 100% in not vaccinating and someone comes to know it, you get attacked. I don't know why people take it so personally. So it is nice to have plenty of information that you can use to defend your choices. As far as VAERS goes, remember that the number of adverse reactions that get recorded there are a very small percentage of the actual number (I think like 1-10% of actual cases.) Most people don't report them or their doctors don't. Vaccines never take the blame for killing any children either, it seems whenever an infant dies they conveniantly blame it on SIDS. As far as 448,000 people dying from measles each year......that is in fact world wide, and keep some things in mind. First of all, that is a very small percentage of the billions of people in this world. Also, how do we really know that these people actually died from measles and not something else, does everyone who dies get an autopsy?....no. And, could be that many of these people were NOT children, but teens or adults or elderly, where the disease can be more dangerous. Plus, were these people who died of measles already sick in some other way? Maybe with HIV or some other immune deficiency disease? As far as vaccines and diseases and statistics go, we also have to realize something else. Doctors from different countries, for reasons of culture or just the way they were trained, diagnose illnesses differently. What I'm saying is, Diptheria might be called Diptheria by your doctor if you lived in Bengladesh or Somalia, but it would probably be called just a sore throat if you lived in the U.S. Same goes for many diseases (even non vax related.) I read about this study once where doctors from many different countries looked at exact same autopsies and other information about a number of deceased persons and doctors from the U.S. were many more times likey to say that the cause of death was heart attack, doctors from Japan, instead, called it a stroke, and docs from other countries gave even other reasons.... Hope this helps. -- In Vaccinations , Clemons <clemonsmary@...> wrote: > > I'm confused, it sounds like you are making a case for vaccines? > > Uh, 448,000 people do not die in the US from measles, and if they did, wouldn't that tell you that vaccinations are not working! It's possible that 448,000 die WORLD WIDE, but I still would question that number totally. > > I am the mother of two vaccine injured chidlren, one is a life long injury, so you're not likely to tell me that vaccines are safe............ > > > New member & Quesiton > > Hello, > > I just joined up last week but haven't had time to write my intro. I > have a 19 month old boy who I unfortunately started to vaccinate - all > the way up to 12 months. While I was pregnant I had really questioned > vaccines and their safety/necessity, had red Romm's book on > Vaccinations, intereviewed 5 doctors with this as the most pivitol > question. However, after Valor came - PPD showed up. Not to put all > the blame on that... all the doctors I had intereviewed had really > scared me about not vaccinating. ..and I couldn't convince my husband. > So we started them at 2 months. > > Well, over that year I got involved with a local Weston Price chapter > and started to have my eyes opened more and more. Finally I decided to > re-investigate and that is when I found Dr. Tenpenny's videos. Most of > the info I head read in the book. But it was the last part of her first > video about (CDC & what their doc. reveal) about what is put into these > vaccines besides the diseases that really got me. I was crying for my > son, for me and for all the kids out there that get these vaccines. Why > is it as a human race we think we can continually inject and/or expose > ourselves to such harmful substances and think we will never be affected > by them? Is it pride, ignorance? What is it??? > > Anywho, I am now on a mission to share all this info with my friends - > and most have been open to it. They might not listen for themselves, > but when you put it in the context of their kids...they are interested. > > My question is this: I obviously have heard what our side has to say > about the myths of the vaccine industry. But I really wanted to read > some more from the CDC...just to see what they are saying. I have found > a few things that truly just blow my mind... something about how people > are still getting measles today and 488,000 or so people die from it > every year. Or how about the following - which really blows my mind. > I had to read it serveral times to understand what they are saying, > which I really don't: > > Vaccines have been so successful in preventing disease in the U.S. that > in recent years, the annual number of reports to VAERS have exceeded the > total number of reports of routine childhood vaccine-preventable > disease. This may lead some people to believe that the vaccines are > dangerous. However, based on the very large numbers of data collected > nationwide through the various data systems, the risk of a serious > adverse reaction to an immunization is extremely small. The risk of the > disease itself is substantially more serious than the risk of the > immunization. The risks of specific vaccines are posted on the CDC > National Immunization Program home page, which you can access by > clicking here. > > Anywho, if any of you can share what information from the CDC or AAP you > come up against the most in defending to your friends why you don't > vaccinate, that would be helpful in my research. > > Thanks, > Holli > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Hi , Oh gosh no...I am just wondering how these people can get away telling such falsehoods. I was just saying that in the little I researched the other side today, that I found such off the wall comments (like the 488,00 - you said exactly what I was thinking) . I just like to be a well researched person so when I do talk with other people I know both sides and can defend the reason not to vaccinate. Sorry if you thought otherwise...I am really sad I vaccinated at all and I am sorry for you and your children. I am on your side and totally will do anything I can to help other parents and children avoid the dangers of vaccines. Blessings, Holli Holli M. Dare Personal Fitness Trainer & Triathlon Coach Workouts 4 MOMS! http://sports./group/workouts4moms/ Email for dates and times New member & Quesiton Hello, I just joined up last week but haven't had time to write my intro. I have a 19 month old boy who I unfortunately started to vaccinate - all the way up to 12 months. While I was pregnant I had really questioned vaccines and their safety/necessity, had red Romm's book on Vaccinations, intereviewed 5 doctors with this as the most pivitol question. However, after Valor came - PPD showed up. Not to put all the blame on that... all the doctors I had intereviewed had really scared me about not vaccinating. ..and I couldn't convince my husband. So we started them at 2 months. Well, over that year I got involved with a local Weston Price chapter and started to have my eyes opened more and more. Finally I decided to re-investigate and that is when I found Dr. Tenpenny's videos. Most of the info I head read in the book. But it was the last part of her first video about (CDC & what their doc. reveal) about what is put into these vaccines besides the diseases that really got me. I was crying for my son, for me and for all the kids out there that get these vaccines. Why is it as a human race we think we can continually inject and/or expose ourselves to such harmful substances and think we will never be affected by them? Is it pride, ignorance? What is it??? Anywho, I am now on a mission to share all this info with my friends - and most have been open to it. They might not listen for themselves, but when you put it in the context of their kids...they are interested. My question is this: I obviously have heard what our side has to say about the myths of the vaccine industry. But I really wanted to read some more from the CDC...just to see what they are saying. I have found a few things that truly just blow my mind... something about how people are still getting measles today and 488,000 or so people die from it every year. Or how about the following - which really blows my mind. I had to read it serveral times to understand what they are saying, which I really don't: Vaccines have been so successful in preventing disease in the U.S. that in recent years, the annual number of reports to VAERS have exceeded the total number of reports of routine childhood vaccine-preventable disease. This may lead some people to believe that the vaccines are dangerous. However, based on the very large numbers of data collected nationwide through the various data systems, the risk of a serious adverse reaction to an immunization is extremely small. The risk of the disease itself is substantially more serious than the risk of the immunization. The risks of specific vaccines are posted on the CDC National Immunization Program home page, which you can access by clicking here. Anywho, if any of you can share what information from the CDC or AAP you come up against the most in defending to your friends why you don't vaccinate, that would be helpful in my research. Thanks, Holli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Sorry to have confuse every one so much already. I am NOT defending vaccines...I wished I had never started vaccinating my son and had found out all this info before hand. My question (kind of rhetorical) by putting that info out there is how can the CDC, AAP and others get away with saying such incredulous stuff as facts. It just really blows my mind. In regards to the measles nubmer, that to me tells me that vaccines don't work. If they did, then people wouldn't contract it at that rate. Thanks for your clarification Vida...I didn't know that about docs reporting same thing differently. Blessings, Holli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Holli you shouldn't have to apologize for anything. I think it is good that you look at both sides and then make your own decision. It's great that you realize that you do have a decision in the matter (cause most people don't,) and I think that is the reason why everyone is here in this group.....cause after examining both sides, we all made our own choices about vaccinations. > > Sorry to have confuse every one so much already. I am NOT defending > vaccines...I wished I had never started vaccinating my son and had > found out all this info before hand. > > My question (kind of rhetorical) by putting that info out there is how > can the CDC, AAP and others get away with saying such incredulous > stuff as facts. It just really blows my mind. In regards to the > measles nubmer, that to me tells me that vaccines don't work. If they > did, then people wouldn't contract it at that rate. > > Thanks for your clarification Vida...I didn't know that about docs > reporting same thing differently. > > Blessings, > Holli > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Sheri At 04:10 AM 8/28/2007 -0000, you wrote: >Sorry to have confuse every one so much already. I am NOT defending >vaccines...I wished I had never started vaccinating my son and had >found out all this info before hand. > >My question (kind of rhetorical) by putting that info out there is how >can the CDC, AAP and others get away with saying such incredulous >stuff as facts. It just really blows my mind. In regards to the >measles nubmer, that to me tells me that vaccines don't work. If they >did, then people wouldn't contract it at that rate. > >Thanks for your clarification Vida...I didn't know that about docs >reporting same thing differently. > >Blessings, >Holli > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email September 5 or 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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