Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped yesterday. I didn't go in for the norm 2 mth visit cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. But he had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted to check on it. Well while there, she did his 2 month check and brought in a waiver for me to sign. ( we had already had the argument about vaxing 5 weeks prior) I read thru it, but didn't want to sign it till I ran it past you guys! LOL! They were not happy that I didn't want to sign it. I told them I needed to pass it by the DH first. His orders.... Not really, but whatever. So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I refused the shots. Yet I still need to sign this waiver.... So here is basically what the form says.: I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information Sheets explaining the vaccines and the diseases they prevent. I have had the opportunity to discuss with my child's health care provider, who has answered all of my questions regarding the recommedned vaccines. I understand the following: -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded vaccine -The risks and benefits of the recommened vaccine -If my child does not receive the vaxxinethe consequenses man include: --Contracting the illness the vaccine should prevent --Transmitting the dieseas to others the need form my child to stay out of child care or school during diesease outbreaks -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and the CDC have strongly recommeded that the vaccines be given Nevertheless I have decded to decline the vaccines recommeded for my child as indicated above, by checking the appropriate box under the column titled declined. I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger the health or life of my child and others that my child might come in contact with. I know that I may re-address this issue with my health care provider at any time, and that I may change my mind and accept vaccination for my child anytime in the future. That was the form, and at the top it had a list of the vax's I was declining. Hep B, DTaP, Hib, Pneumoccal conjugate vaccine, Polio(IPV) and Rotovirus. Six jabs on my 10 week old? yuck. So I told her I'd fax it back to her today, signed after DH looked at it. Is there anything I need to change? Scratchout? Initial? Or do I write my own? Any advise from you wonderful people would be much apprecieated. At least this time when I went, she didn't argue with me why I wasn't vaxing......But you can tell the Dr, thinks less fo me. Oh well. TIA, --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 why do you need to sign the form? is it a condition for remaining a patient? if not, I would not sign. or, can you misplace the paper and not send it in? Kathy So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped yesterday. I didn't go in for the norm 2 mth visit cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. But he had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted to check on it. Well while there, she did his 2 month check and brought in a waiver for me to sign. ( we had already had the argument about vaxing 5 weeks prior) I read thru it, but didn't want to sign it till I ran it past you guys! LOL! They were not happy that I didn't want to sign it. I told them I needed to pass it by the DH first. His orders.... Not really, but whatever. So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I refused the shots. Yet I still need to sign this waiver.... So here is basically what the form says.: I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information Sheets explaining the vaccines and the diseases they prevent. I have had the opportunity to discuss with my child's health care provider, who has answered all of my questions regarding the recommedned vaccines. I understand the following: -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded vaccine -The risks and benefits of the recommened vaccine -If my child does not receive the vaxxinethe consequenses man include: --Contracting the illness the vaccine should prevent --Transmitting the dieseas to others the need form my child to stay out of child care or school during diesease outbreaks -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and the CDC have strongly recommeded that the vaccines be given Nevertheless I have decded to decline the vaccines recommeded for my child as indicated above, by checking the appropriate box under the column titled declined. I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger the health or life of my child and others that my child might come in contact with. I know that I may re-address this issue with my health care provider at any time, and that I may change my mind and accept vaccination for my child anytime in the future. That was the form, and at the top it had a list of the vax's I was declining. Hep B, DTaP, Hib, Pneumoccal conjugate vaccine, Polio(IPV) and Rotovirus. Six jabs on my 10 week old? yuck. So I told her I'd fax it back to her today, signed after DH looked at it. Is there anything I need to change? Scratchout? Initial? Or do I write my own? Any advise from you wonderful people would be much apprecieated. At least this time when I went, she didn't argue with me why I wasn't vaxing......But you can tell the Dr, thinks less fo me. Oh well. TIA, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 cynthia brunet <csbbrunet@...> wrote: So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped yesterday. I didn't go in for the norm 2 mth visit cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. But he had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted to check on it. Well while there, she did his 2 month check and brought in a waiver for me to sign. ( we had already had the argument about vaxing 5 weeks prior) I read thru it, but didn't want to sign it till I ran it past you guys! LOL! They were not happy that I didn't want to sign it. I told them I needed to pass it by the DH first. His orders.... Not really, but whatever. So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I refused the shots. Yet I still need to sign this waiver.... I don't mean to upset you, but if you delay signing the waiver too long, their next step might be to remove you and your family from the practice. I wrote near my signature that I do not vaccinate my children for religious reasons ONLY....Anita So here is basically what the form says.: I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information Sheets explaining the vaccines and the diseases they prevent. I have had the opportunity to discuss with my child's health care provider, who has answered all of my questions regarding the recommedned vaccines. I understand the following: -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded vaccine Okay.....Anita -The risks and benefits of the recommened vaccine Okay.....Anita -If my child does not receive the vaxxinethe consequenses man include: --Contracting the illness the vaccine should prevent This is the same consequence for taking vaccinations as children can and do get the illnesses they are inoculated with......Anita --Transmitting the dieseas to others the need form my child to stay out of child care or school during diesease outbreaks Same consequence here with a vaccinated child shedding and transmitting diseases to other children....Anita -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and the CDC have strongly recommeded that the vaccines be given. Agreed....Anita Nevertheless I have decded to decline the vaccines recommeded for my child as indicated above, by checking the appropriate box under the column titled declined. I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger the health or life of my child and others that my child might come in contact with. I know that I may re-address this issue with my health care provider at any time, and that I may change my mind and accept vaccination for my child anytime in the future. That was the form, and at the top it had a list of the vax's I was declining. Hep B, DTaP, Hib, Pneumoccal conjugate vaccine, Polio(IPV) and Rotovirus. Six jabs on my 10 week old? yuck. So I told her I'd fax it back to her today, signed after DH looked at it. Is there anything I need to change? Scratchout? Initial? Or do I write my own? Any advise from you wonderful people would be much apprecieated. At least this time when I went, she didn't argue with me why I wasn't vaxing......But you can tell the Dr, thinks less fo me. Oh well. If you want to remain in their practice, you're probably going to have to sign THEIR waiver. Just write a disclaimer next to your signature. I had no problem with it. Good luck!....Anita TIA, --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Don't sign it. There was a great post here a little while back... here's the link to the site of the article: http://chetday.com/vaccinerefusal.htm It discusses why you shouldn't sign the doctor's waiver and tells you how to create your own if the dr. insists. Our ped does NOT make us sign a waiver, although the second one we had did. If I had known then what I know now, *sigh* I'm not generally one for absolutes, but I would absolutely say that NO ONE should sign this type of waiver. ~Robyn cynthia brunet wrote: > So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped yesterday. I didn't go in > for the norm 2 mth visit cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. > But he had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted to check on > it. Well while there, she did his 2 month check and brought in a > waiver for me to sign. ( we had already had the argument about vaxing > 5 weeks prior) I read thru it, but didn't want to sign it till I ran > it past you guys! LOL! They were not happy that I didn't want to sign > it. I told them I needed to pass it by the DH first. His orders.... > Not really, but whatever. > So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I refused the shots. Yet > I still need to sign this waiver.... > > So here is basically what the form says.: > > I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information Sheets explaining the > vaccines and the diseases they prevent. I have had the opportunity to > discuss with my child's health care provider, who has answered all of > my questions regarding the recommedned vaccines. I understand the > following: > > -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded vaccine > -The risks and benefits of the recommened vaccine > -If my child does not receive the vaxxinethe consequenses man include: > --Contracting the illness the vaccine should prevent > --Transmitting the dieseas to others > the need form my child to stay out of child care or school during > diesease outbreaks > > -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and the CDC have strongly > recommeded that the vaccines be given > > Nevertheless I have decded to decline the vaccines recommeded for my > child as indicated above, by checking the appropriate box under the > column titled declined. > > I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination > may endanger the health or life of my child and others that my child > might come in contact with. > > I know that I may re-address this issue with my health care provider > at any time, and that I may change my mind and accept vaccination for > my child anytime in the future. > > > That was the form, and at the top it had a list of the vax's I was > declining. Hep B, DTaP, Hib, Pneumoccal conjugate vaccine, Polio(IPV) > and Rotovirus. Six jabs on my 10 week old? yuck. > So I told her I'd fax it back to her today, signed after DH looked at > it. Is there anything I need to change? Scratchout? Initial? Or do I > write my own? Any advise from you wonderful people would be much > apprecieated. At least this time when I went, she didn't argue with me > why I wasn't vaxing......But you can tell the Dr, thinks less fo me. > Oh well. > TIA, > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I second the opinion of not signing at all. But if forced to sign to remain a patient, I would create my own and I would definitely scratch out some of their stuff if you wanted to use theirs. Later in a court of law admitting you’re threatening your childs life can be used against you and possibly taking your child from you. NOW you *could* turn the tables and draw up your own form and have *them* sign it! I bet they wouldn’t be willing to. Some little gem like this! To Whom it may concern, I have received and read the appropriate pamphlets on the various vaccines this doctor _______wishes my child to receive. I understand they are thought to be “preventative” measures in the effective containment of disease. However, after further research and enlightenment, I understand that there are some adverse conditions that could happen. I understand there is no way to tell if such adverse reactions will affect my child before he/she receives the shots. I understand that every vaccine is applied in a “one size fits all” and I understand that every child is unique. I also understand that vaccines enter the body through a totally foreign mechanism aside from the natural way a germ would enter the body and thereby puts the body and its immune system on constant alert, thereby constantly stressing the body and its immune system. I understand vaccines have been linked to (various numbers of autoimmune, skin, allergies.. whatever you want to put here). Therefore, I will agree to these vaccines, in an effort to protect my child from the unfriendly diseases, if the doctor can absolutely guarantee that my child will not react to any of the listed ingredients on the insert, is not contraindicated for any reason and will be there to help me to take care of my child in any unforeseen adverse reaction, I will consent to the following vaccination program. And dr. sign________________ And you sign___________________ And I bet they won’t go near it and they’ll tell you there’s no way they can absolutely guarantee no reaction. However, I would venture to say not even they have read the package inserts and are fully aware of exactly what the contraindications are. How do I know? From my own experience!! They wanted to shoot peter up when he was very congested w/ a bad cold at 6 months with some rot and I came home and looked it up and part of the contraindications were one of his very symptoms I took him to the doctor for! And all they could say “oh, it’s OK to give their shots as long as they don’t have a fever”.. can’t remember exactly if that was the doctor or the PA or the nurse.. but nobody apparently was reading the package insert! YOU have to look out for YOUR child, 100% on practically everything and the only difference b/t you and that white coat, is the piece of paper on the wall and MAYBE lots of experience seeing lots of sick kids.. they’re not smarter, and for sure, YOU are guaranteed to be much more concerned about what goes into YOUR child. It’s not their kid and it’s not any skin off their nose if your child has a reaction to the vaccine. Was it genetics? Was it shots? Was it susceptibility? That caused ’s asperger’s.. I don’t know. I don’t really care. The end point is she’s got it and nobody, not one of the long line of doctors is here w/ me now dealing with her. They weren’t here as a 10 y.o. she’s still having accidents about getting to the potty and having to interrupt herself. They’re not here to stop the meltdown b/c as a 6 y.o. her teacher has her sleep in spot B rather than spot A at nap time… etc etc etc. don’t let them bully you and DON’T let them force you to sign anything that says you realize you’re endangering your childs health. You could put in your letter that you realize vaccinating endangers their health and you realize the vaccines won’t guarantee your child NOT getting the disease they’re designed to prevent! Nita, yes my hands are full, but not my heart: 14, Jon 12, 10, 8, 6, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 1, and due 2/08 Some minds are like concrete: Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. advice on waiver form to sign for Ped. So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped yesterday. I didn't go in for the norm 2 mth visit cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. But he had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted to check on it. Well while there, she did his 2 month check and brought in a waiver for me to sign. ( we had already had the argument about vaxing 5 weeks prior) I read thru it, but didn't want to sign it till I ran it past you guys! LOL! They were not happy that I didn't want to sign it. I told them I needed to pass it by the DH first. His orders.... Not really, but whatever. So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I refused the shots. Yet I still need to sign this waiver.... So here is basically what the form says.: I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information Sheets explaining the vaccines and the diseases they prevent. I have had the opportunity to discuss with my child's health care provider, who has answered all of my questions regarding the recommedned vaccines. I understand the following: -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded vaccine -The risks and benefits of the recommened vaccine -If my child does not receive the vaxxine the consequences can include: --Contracting the illness the vaccine should prevent --Transmitting the disease to others the need form my child to stay out of child care or school during disease outbreaks -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and the CDC have strongly recommeded that the vaccines be given—and I’d add that they’re ONLY recommeneded, not mandated Nevertheless I have decided to decline the vaccines recommended for my child as indicated above, by checking the appropriate box under the column titled declined. ( would cross this whole sentence out and say how you know VACCINATED children can risk your child’s health) I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger the health or life of my child and others that my child might come in contact with. I know that I may re-address this issue with my health care provider at any time, and that I may change my mind and accept vaccination for my child anytime in the future. I would add here that you are open at any time to intelligent, respectful discussions w/ your HCP where you can have a calm discussion w/o being forced to sign and w/o being subjected to Gestapo techniques. And that they realize that you and your husband have the final say on any and all healthcare decisions for YOUR child. This is not the gov’ts child, it is not their child. It’s not their practices child. Was it here or soemthwere else that someone came up w/ a much better wored letter that just completely turned the tables, such as I have tried to exemplify.. I can’t remember but you can get creative. OR if you really don’t want to sign at all, call up and say ‘my lawyer has recommended we don’t need to sign this b/c this is OUR child and you are not “endangering” your child, as they are wont to put it.”.. It just really frosts my cookies, the things they’re coming up with to coer their butts but then can say oh so innocently, “oh I’m sorry your child has regressed beyond all reason. I’m SURE it wasn’t the vaccinations and the 10 billion jabs we gave them in one day that did it. It must been something else. It just MUST HAVE!” enough children have been sacrificed on the “vaccines save” altar/lie And if it ever comes up she does think less of you, you can say “ditto babe! I can’t believe you’re into legal poisoining. I had such high hopes for you!” No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/921 - Release Date: 7/26/2007 11:16 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/921 - Release Date: 7/26/2007 11:16 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 , Here is something I saved from Jagganath, a list-member who put this together and posted it a while ago: Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety I (Physician’s name, degree)_________________________, _____ am a physician licensed to practice medicine in the State of ________________ . My State license number is _______________ , and my DEA number is _______________. My medical specialty is ______________________ . I have a thorough understanding of the risks and benefits of all the medications that I prescribe for or administer to my patients. In the case of (Patient’s name) ___________________________ , age _________________ , whom I have examined, I find that certain risk factors exist that justify the recommended vaccinations. The following is a list of said risk factors and the vaccinations that will protect against them: Risk Factor Vaccination _____________________________________________________ ________________________ _____________________________________________________ ________________________ _____________________________________________________ ________________________ _____________________________________________________ ________________________ _____________________________________________________ ________________________ _____________________________________________________ ________________________ _____________________________________________________ ________________________ I am aware that vaccines typically contain many of the following fillers: · aluminum hydroxide · aluminum phosphate · ammonium sulfate · amphotericin B · animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain, · dog kidney, monkey kidney, · chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg · calf (bovine) serum · betapropiolactone · fetal bovine serum · formaldehyde · formalin · gelatin · glycerol · human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) · hydrolized gelatin · mercury thimerosol · monosodium glutamate (MSG) · neomycin · neomycin sulfate · phenol red indicator · phenoxyethanol (antifreeze) · potassium diphosphate · potassium monophosphate · polymyxin B · polysorbate 20 · polysorbate 80 · porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein · residual MRC5 proteins · sorbitol · sucrose · tri(n)butylphosphate, · VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells, and · washed sheep red blood and, hereby, warrant that these ingredients are safe for injection into the body of my patient. Reports to the contrary, such as reports that mercury thimerosol causes severe neurological and immunological damage, are not credible. I am aware that some vaccines have been found to have been contaminated with Simian Virus 40 (SV 40) and that SV 40 is causally linked by some researchers to non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and mesotheliomas in humans as well as in experimental animals. I hereby give my assurance that the vaccines I employ in my practice do not contain SV 40 or any other live viruses. (Alternately, I hereby give my assurance that said SV-40 virus or other viruses pose no substantive risk to my patient.) I hereby warrant that the vaccines I am recommending for the care of (Patient’s name) _______________ _______________________ do not contain any tissue from aborted human babies (also known as “fetusesâ€). In order to protect my patient’s well being, I have taken the following steps to guarantee that the vaccines I will use will contain no damaging contaminants. STEPS TAKEN: ____________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________\ __ ________________________________________________________________________________\ __ ________________________________________________________________________________\ __ I have personally investigated the reports made to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) and state that it is my professional opinion that the vaccines I am recommending are safe for administration to a child under the age of 5 years. The bases for my opinion are itemized on Exhibit A , attached hereto, – “Physician’s Bases for Professional Opinion of Vaccine Safety.†(Please itemize each recommended vaccine separately along with the bases for arriving at the conclusion that the vaccine is safe for administration to a child under the age of 5 years.) The professional journal articles I have relied upon in the issuance of this Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety are itemized on Exhibit B , attached hereto, – “Scientific Articles in Support of Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety.†The professional journal articles that I have read which contain opinions adverse to my opinion are itemized on Exhibit C , attached hereto, – “Scientific Articles Contrary to Physician’s Opinion of Vaccine Safety.†The reasons for my determining that the articles in Exhibit C were invalid are delineated in Attachment D , attached hereto, – “Physician’s Reasons for Determining the Invalidity of Adverse Scientific Opinions.†Hepatitis B I understand that 60% of patients who are vaccinated for Hepatitis B will lose detectable antibodies to Hepatitis B within 12 years. I understand that in 1996 only 54 cases of Hepatitis B were reported to the CDC in the 0-1 year age group. I understand that in the VAERS, there were 1,080 total reports of adverse reactions from Hepatitis B vaccine in 1996 in the 0-1 year age group, with 47 deaths reported. I understand that 50% of patients who contract Hepatitis B develop no symptoms after exposure. I understand that 30% will develop only flu-like symptoms and will have lifetime immunity. I understand that 20% will develop the symptoms of the disease, but that 95% will fully recover and have lifetime immunity. I understand that 5% of the patients who are exposed to Hepatitis B will become chronic carriers of the disease. I understand that 75% of the chronic carriers will live with an asymptomatic infection and that only 25% of the chronic carriers will develop chronic liver disease or liver cancer, 10-30 years after the acute infection. The following studies have been performed to demonstrate the safety of the Hepatitis B vaccine in children under the age of 5 years. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ___ ________________________________________________________________________________\ ___ ________________________________________________________________________________\ ___ In addition to the recommended vaccinations as protections against the above cited risk factors, I have recommended other non-vaccine measures to protect the health of my patient and have enumerated said non-vaccine measures on Exhibit D , attached hereto, “Non-vaccine Measures to Protect Against Risk Factors.†I am issuing this Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety in my professional capacity as the attending physician to (Patient’s name) ________________________________. Regardless of the legal entity under which I normally practice medicine, I am issuing this statement in both my business and individual capacities and hereby waive any statutory, Common Law, Constitutional, UCC, international treaty, and any other legal immunities from liability lawsuits in the instant case. I issue this document of my own free will after consultation with competent legal counsel whose name is _____________________________, an attorney admitted to the Bar in the State of __________________ . __________________________________ (Name of Attending Physician) __________________________________ L.S. (Signature of Attending Physician) Signed on this _______ day of ______________ A.D. ________ Witness: ___________________________________ Date: ________________________ Notary Public: ______________________________ Date: ________________________ cynthia brunet <csbbrunet@...> wrote: So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped yesterday. I didn't go in for the norm 2 mth visit cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. But he had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted to check on it. Well while there, she did his 2 month check and brought in a waiver for me to sign. ( we had already had the argument about vaxing 5 weeks prior) I read thru it, but didn't want to sign it till I ran it past you guys! LOL! They were not happy that I didn't want to sign it. I told them I needed to pass it by the DH first. His orders.... Not really, but whatever. So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I refused the shots. Yet I still need to sign this waiver.... So here is basically what the form says.: I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information Sheets explaining the vaccines and the diseases they prevent. I have had the opportunity to discuss with my child's health care provider, who has answered all of my questions regarding the recommedned vaccines. I understand the following: -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded vaccine -The risks and benefits of the recommened vaccine -If my child does not receive the vaxxinethe consequenses man include: --Contracting the illness the vaccine should prevent --Transmitting the dieseas to others the need form my child to stay out of child care or school during diesease outbreaks -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and the CDC have strongly recommeded that the vaccines be given Nevertheless I have decded to decline the vaccines recommeded for my child as indicated above, by checking the appropriate box under the column titled declined. I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger the health or life of my child and others that my child might come in contact with. I know that I may re-address this issue with my health care provider at any time, and that I may change my mind and accept vaccination for my child anytime in the future. That was the form, and at the top it had a list of the vax's I was declining. Hep B, DTaP, Hib, Pneumoccal conjugate vaccine, Polio(IPV) and Rotovirus. Six jabs on my 10 week old? yuck. So I told her I'd fax it back to her today, signed after DH looked at it. Is there anything I need to change? Scratchout? Initial? Or do I write my own? Any advise from you wonderful people would be much apprecieated. At least this time when I went, she didn't argue with me why I wasn't vaxing......But you can tell the Dr, thinks less fo me. Oh well. TIA, --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 You're right, Nita (that's my nickname too :~), that no doctor will sign this, good and true as it is. They may not read the inserts, but they all know about VAERS and the compensation program.......Anita Venita Garner <nitagarner@...> wrote: I second the opinion of not signing at all. But if forced to sign to remain a patient, I would create my own and I would definitely scratch out some of their stuff if you wanted to use theirs. Later in a court of law admitting you’re threatening your childs life can be used against you and possibly taking your child from you. NOW you *could* turn the tables and draw up your own form and have *them* sign it! I bet they wouldn’t be willing to. Some little gem like this! To Whom it may concern, I have received and read the appropriate pamphlets on the various vaccines this doctor _______wishes my child to receive. I understand they are thought to be “preventative” measures in the effective containment of disease. However, after further research and enlightenment, I understand that there are some adverse conditions that could happen. I understand there is no way to tell if such adverse reactions will affect my child before he/she receives the shots. I understand that every vaccine is applied in a “one size fits all” and I understand that every child is unique. I also understand that vaccines enter the body through a totally foreign mechanism aside from the natural way a germ would enter the body and thereby puts the body and its immune system on constant alert, thereby constantly stressing the body and its immune system. I understand vaccines have been linked to (various numbers of autoimmune, skin, allergies.. whatever you want to put here). Therefore, I will agree to these vaccines, in an effort to protect my child from the unfriendly diseases, if the doctor can absolutely guarantee that my child will not react to any of the listed ingredients on the insert, is not contraindicated for any reason and will be there to help me to take care of my child in any unforeseen adverse reaction, I will consent to the following vaccination program. And dr. sign________________ And you sign___________________ And I bet they won’t go near it and they’ll tell you there’s no way they can absolutely guarantee no reaction. However, I would venture to say not even they have read the package inserts and are fully aware of exactly what the contraindications are. How do I know? From my own experience!! They wanted to shoot peter up when he was very congested w/ a bad cold at 6 months with some rot and I came home and looked it up and part of the contraindications were one of his very symptoms I took him to the doctor for! And all they could say “oh, it’s OK to give their shots as long as they don’t have a fever”.. can’t remember exactly if that was the doctor or the PA or the nurse.. but nobody apparently was reading the package insert! YOU have to look out for YOUR child, 100% on practically everything and the only difference b/t you and that white coat, is the piece of paper on the wall and MAYBE lots of experience seeing lots of sick kids.. they’re not smarter, and for sure, YOU are guaranteed to be much more concerned about what goes into YOUR child. It’s not their kid and it’s not any skin off their nose if your child has a reaction to the vaccine. Was it genetics? Was it shots? Was it susceptibility? That caused ’s asperger’s.. I don’t know. I don’t really care. The end point is she’s got it and nobody, not one of the long line of doctors is here w/ me now dealing with her. They weren’t here as a 10 y.o. she’s still having accidents about getting to the potty and having to interrupt herself. They’re not here to stop the meltdown b/c as a 6 y.o. her teacher has her sleep in spot B rather than spot A at nap time… etc etc etc. don’t let them bully you and DON’T let them force you to sign anything that says you realize you’re endangering your childs health. You could put in your letter that you realize vaccinating endangers their health and you realize the vaccines won’t guarantee your child NOT getting the disease they’re designed to prevent! Nita, yes my hands are full, but not my heart: 14, Jon 12, 10, 8, 6, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 1, and due 2/08 Some minds are like concrete: Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. advice on waiver form to sign for Ped. So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped yesterday. I didn't go in for the norm 2 mth visit cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. But he had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted to check on it. Well while there, she did his 2 month check and brought in a waiver for me to sign. ( we had already had the argument about vaxing 5 weeks prior) I read thru it, but didn't want to sign it till I ran it past you guys! LOL! They were not happy that I didn't want to sign it. I told them I needed to pass it by the DH first. His orders.... Not really, but whatever. So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I refused the shots. Yet I still need to sign this waiver.... So here is basically what the form says.: I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information Sheets explaining the vaccines and the diseases they prevent. I have had the opportunity to discuss with my child's health care provider, who has answered all of my questions regarding the recommedned vaccines. I understand the following: -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded vaccine -The risks and benefits of the recommened vaccine -If my child does not receive the vaxxine the consequences can include: --Contracting the illness the vaccine should prevent --Transmitting the disease to others the need form my child to stay out of child care or school during disease outbreaks -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and the CDC have strongly recommeded that the vaccines be given—and I’d add that they’re ONLY recommeneded, not mandated Nevertheless I have decided to decline the vaccines recommended for my child as indicated above, by checking the appropriate box under the column titled declined. ( would cross this whole sentence out and say how you know VACCINATED children can risk your child’s health) I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger the health or life of my child and others that my child might come in contact with. I know that I may re-address this issue with my health care provider at any time, and that I may change my mind and accept vaccination for my child anytime in the future. I would add here that you are open at any time to intelligent, respectful discussions w/ your HCP where you can have a calm discussion w/o being forced to sign and w/o being subjected to Gestapo techniques. And that they realize that you and your husband have the final say on any and all healthcare decisions for YOUR child. This is not the gov’ts child, it is not their child. It’s not their practices child. Was it here or soemthwere else that someone came up w/ a much better wored letter that just completely turned the tables, such as I have tried to exemplify.. I can’t remember but you can get creative. OR if you really don’t want to sign at all, call up and say ‘my lawyer has recommended we don’t need to sign this b/c this is OUR child and you are not “endangering” your child, as they are wont to put it.”.. It just really frosts my cookies, the things they’re coming up with to coer their butts but then can say oh so innocently, “oh I’m sorry your child has regressed beyond all reason. I’m SURE it wasn’t the vaccinations and the 10 billion jabs we gave them in one day that did it. It must been something else. It just MUST HAVE!” enough children have been sacrificed on the “vaccines save” altar/lie And if it ever comes up she does think less of you, you can say “ditto babe! I can’t believe you’re into legal poisoining. I had such high hopes for you!” No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/921 - Release Date: 7/26/2007 11:16 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/921 - Release Date: 7/26/2007 11:16 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 You do not have to sign anything. You can sign it and cross off the parts you disagree with, especially the part about endangering the health of your child by not vaxing. --- K Cumming <klcumming@...> wrote: > why do you need to sign the form? is it a condition > for remaining a patient? if not, I would not sign. > or, can you misplace the paper and not send it in? > Kathy > > > So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped > yesterday. I didn't go in for the norm 2 mth visit > cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. But he > had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted > to check on it. Well while there, she did his 2 > month check and brought in a waiver for me to sign. > ( we had already had the argument about vaxing 5 > weeks prior) I read thru it, but didn't want to > sign it till I ran it past you guys! LOL! They > were not happy that I didn't want to sign it. I > told them I needed to pass it by the DH first. His > orders.... Not really, but whatever. > So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I > refused the shots. Yet I still need to sign this > waiver.... > > So here is basically what the form says.: > > I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information > Sheets explaining the vaccines and the diseases they > prevent. I have had the opportunity to discuss with > my child's health care provider, who has answered > all of my questions regarding the recommedned > vaccines. I understand the following: > > -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded > vaccine > -The risks and benefits of the recommened > vaccine > -If my child does not receive the vaxxinethe > consequenses man include: > --Contracting the illness the vaccine should > prevent > --Transmitting the dieseas to others > the need form my child to stay out of child > care or school during diesease outbreaks > > -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and > the CDC have strongly recommeded that the vaccines > be given > > Nevertheless I have decded to decline the > vaccines recommeded for my child as indicated above, > by checking the appropriate box under the column > titled declined. > > I know that failure to follow the > recommendations about vaccination may endanger the > health or life of my child and others that my child > might come in contact with. > > I know that I may re-address this issue with my > health care provider at any time, and that I may > change my mind and accept vaccination for my child > anytime in the future. > > > That was the form, and at the top it had a list > of the vax's I was declining. Hep B, DTaP, Hib, > Pneumoccal conjugate vaccine, Polio(IPV) and > Rotovirus. Six jabs on my 10 week old? yuck. > So I told her I'd fax it back to her today, > signed after DH looked at it. Is there anything I > need to change? Scratchout? Initial? Or do I > write my own? Any advise from you wonderful people > would be much apprecieated. At least this time when > I went, she didn't argue with me why I wasn't > vaxing......But you can tell the Dr, thinks less fo > me. Oh well. > TIA, > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 You only HAVE to sign something if you want to remain with the practice that is requiring it for their records. Certainly, we are all free to say no and move on; it's a matter of choice. Anita maureen gradvohl <mrsvoltaire@...> wrote: You do not have to sign anything. You can sign it and cross off the parts you disagree with, especially the part about endangering the health of your child by not vaxing. --- K Cumming wrote: > why do you need to sign the form? is it a condition > for remaining a patient? if not, I would not sign. > or, can you misplace the paper and not send it in? > Kathy > > > So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped > yesterday. I didn't go in for the norm 2 mth visit > cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. But he > had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted > to check on it. Well while there, she did his 2 > month check and brought in a waiver for me to sign. > ( we had already had the argument about vaxing 5 > weeks prior) I read thru it, but didn't want to > sign it till I ran it past you guys! LOL! They > were not happy that I didn't want to sign it. I > told them I needed to pass it by the DH first. His > orders.... Not really, but whatever. > So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I > refused the shots. Yet I still need to sign this > waiver.... > > So here is basically what the form says.: > > I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information > Sheets explaining the vaccines and the diseases they > prevent. I have had the opportunity to discuss with > my child's health care provider, who has answered > all of my questions regarding the recommedned > vaccines. I understand the following: > > -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded > vaccine > -The risks and benefits of the recommened > vaccine > -If my child does not receive the vaxxinethe > consequenses man include: > --Contracting the illness the vaccine should > prevent > --Transmitting the dieseas to others > the need form my child to stay out of child > care or school during diesease outbreaks > > -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and > the CDC have strongly recommeded that the vaccines > be given > > Nevertheless I have decded to decline the > vaccines recommeded for my child as indicated above, > by checking the appropriate box under the column > titled declined. > > I know that failure to follow the > recommendations about vaccination may endanger the > health or life of my child and others that my child > might come in contact with. > > I know that I may re-address this issue with my > health care provider at any time, and that I may > change my mind and accept vaccination for my child > anytime in the future. > > > That was the form, and at the top it had a list > of the vax's I was declining. Hep B, DTaP, Hib, > Pneumoccal conjugate vaccine, Polio(IPV) and > Rotovirus. Six jabs on my 10 week old? yuck. > So I told her I'd fax it back to her today, > signed after DH looked at it. Is there anything I > need to change? Scratchout? Initial? Or do I > write my own? Any advise from you wonderful people > would be much apprecieated. At least this time when > I went, she didn't argue with me why I wasn't > vaxing......But you can tell the Dr, thinks less fo > me. Oh well. > TIA, > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Nita, EXACTLY! I thought of writing something up like you did, but figured I'd get kicked out! And yes, of course I could find another Dr, but I'd still like to keep the peace, KWIM? She is really fine with everything else, super supportive of the BFing, and has commented that I'm obviously doing an excellent job with it, and keep up the good work. And at least she wasn't confrontational with me about the vax this time. Everyone, I think the best thing for me to do to appease all sides is scratch out some lines, add my own, then sign it. I'll stick it in the car, and the next visit if they ask, I'll pull it out. But its going to be under my terms. They don't like them, then I won't sign it. I personally didn't see the point. She said I had to sign it, but then she just jotted in the chart that I refused the shots. I mean, what if I hadn't even gone in to the DR? I was techincally only there for his ears! Thanks so much everyone for you thoughts! > > I second the opinion of not signing at all. But if forced to sign to > remain a patient, I would create my own and I would definitely scratch > out some of their stuff if you wanted to use theirs. Later in a court of > law admitting you're threatening your childs life can be used against > you and possibly taking your child from you. > > > > NOW you *could* turn the tables and draw up your own form and have > *them* sign it! I bet they wouldn't be willing to. Some little gem like > this! > > > > To Whom it may concern, > > > > I have received and read the appropriate pamphlets on the various > vaccines this doctor _______wishes my child to receive. > > > > I understand they are thought to be " preventative " measures in the > effective containment of disease. However, after further research and > enlightenment, I understand that there are some adverse conditions that > could happen. I understand there is no way to tell if such adverse > reactions will affect my child before he/she receives the shots. I > understand that every vaccine is applied in a " one size fits all " and I > understand that every child is unique. > > > > I also understand that vaccines enter the body through a totally foreign > mechanism aside from the natural way a germ would enter the body and > thereby puts the body and its immune system on constant alert, thereby > constantly stressing the body and its immune system. I understand > vaccines have been linked to (various numbers of autoimmune, skin, > allergies.. whatever you want to put here). Therefore, I will agree to > these vaccines, in an effort to protect my child from the unfriendly > diseases, if the doctor can absolutely guarantee that my child will not > react to any of the listed ingredients on the insert, is not > contraindicated for any reason and will be there to help me to take care > of my child in any unforeseen adverse reaction, I will consent to the > following vaccination program. > > > > And dr. sign________________ > > And you sign___________________ > > > > And I bet they won't go near it and they'll tell you there's no way they > can absolutely guarantee no reaction. However, I would venture to say > not even they have read the package inserts and are fully aware of > exactly what the contraindications are. > > > > How do I know? From my own experience!! They wanted to shoot peter up > when he was very congested w/ a bad cold at 6 months with some rot and I > came home and looked it up and part of the contraindications were one of > his very symptoms I took him to the doctor for! And all they could say > " oh, it's OK to give their shots as long as they don't have a fever " .. > can't remember exactly if that was the doctor or the PA or the nurse.. > but nobody apparently was reading the package insert! YOU have to look > out for YOUR child, 100% on practically everything and the only > difference b/t you and that white coat, is the piece of paper on the > wall and MAYBE lots of experience seeing lots of sick kids.. they're not > smarter, and for sure, YOU are guaranteed to be much more concerned > about what goes into YOUR child. It's not their kid and it's not any > skin off their nose if your child has a reaction to the vaccine. > > > > Was it genetics? Was it shots? Was it susceptibility? That caused > 's asperger's.. I don't know. I don't really care. The end point is > she's got it and nobody, not one of the long line of doctors is here w/ > me now dealing with her. They weren't here as a 10 y.o. she's still > having accidents about getting to the potty and having to interrupt > herself. They're not here to stop the meltdown b/c as a 6 y.o. her > teacher has her sleep in spot B rather than spot A at nap time… etc etc > etc. don't let them bully you and DON'T let them force you to sign > anything that says you realize you're endangering your childs health. > > > > You could put in your letter that you realize vaccinating endangers > their health and you realize the vaccines won't guarantee your child NOT > getting the disease they're designed to prevent! > > > > Nita, yes my hands are full, but not my heart: 14, Jon 12, > 10, 8, 6, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 1, > and due 2/08 > Some minds are like concrete: > Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. > > advice on waiver form to sign for Ped. > > > > So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped yesterday. I didn't go in for > the norm 2 mth visit cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. But he > had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted to check on it. Well > while there, she did his 2 month check and brought in a waiver for me to > sign. ( we had already had the argument about vaxing 5 weeks prior) I > read thru it, but didn't want to sign it till I ran it past you guys! > LOL! They were not happy that I didn't want to sign it. I told them I > needed to pass it by the DH first. His orders.... Not really, but > whatever. > So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I refused the shots. Yet I > still need to sign this waiver.... > > So here is basically what the form says.: > > I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information Sheets explaining the > vaccines and the diseases they prevent. I have had the opportunity to > discuss with my child's health care provider, who has answered all of my > questions regarding the recommedned vaccines. I understand the > following: > > -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded vaccine > -The risks and benefits of the recommened vaccine > -If my child does not receive the vaxxine the consequences can include: > --Contracting the illness the vaccine should prevent > --Transmitting the disease to others > the need form my child to stay out of child care or school during > disease outbreaks > > -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and the CDC have strongly > recommeded that the vaccines be given—and I'd add that they're ONLY > recommeneded, not mandated > > Nevertheless I have decided to decline the vaccines recommended for my > child as indicated above, by checking the appropriate box under the > column titled declined. > > ( would cross this whole sentence out and say how you know VACCINATED > children can risk your child's health) I know that failure to follow the > recommendations about vaccination may endanger the health or life of my > child and others that my child might come in contact with. > > I know that I may re-address this issue with my health care provider at > any time, and that I may change my mind and accept vaccination for my > child anytime in the future. > > > > I would add here that you are open at any time to intelligent, > respectful discussions w/ your HCP where you can have a calm discussion > w/o being forced to sign and w/o being subjected to Gestapo techniques. > And that they realize that you and your husband have the final say on > any and all healthcare decisions for YOUR child. This is not the gov'ts > child, it is not their child. It's not their practices child. > > Was it here or soemthwere else that someone came up w/ a much better > wored letter that just completely turned the tables, such as I have > tried to exemplify.. I can't remember but you can get creative. > > > > OR if you really don't want to sign at all, call up and say `my lawyer > has recommended we don't need to sign this b/c this is OUR child and you > are not " endangering " your child, as they are wont to put it. " .. It > just really frosts my cookies, the things they're coming up with to coer > their butts but then can say oh so innocently, " oh I'm sorry your child > has regressed beyond all reason. I'm SURE it wasn't the vaccinations and > the 10 billion jabs we gave them in one day that did it. It must been > something else. It just MUST HAVE! " enough children have been sacrificed > on the " vaccines save " altar/lie > > > > And if it ever comes up she does think less of you, you can say " ditto > babe! I can't believe you're into legal poisoining. I had such high > hopes for you! " > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/921 - Release Date: > 7/26/2007 11:16 PM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/921 - Release Date: > 7/26/2007 11:16 PM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I love this! Where did you find it? I'd like to copy paste it, but a bunch fo the characters are messed up. Again though, I'm sure if I pulled it out, I'd get kicked out. But it would be good to have if they became confrotaional.! > So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped yesterday. I didn't go in for the norm 2 mth visit cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. But he had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted to check on it. Well while there, she did his 2 month check and brought in a waiver for me to sign. ( we had already had the argument about vaxing 5 weeks prior) I read thru it, but didn't want to sign it till I ran it past you guys! LOL! They were not happy that I didn't want to sign it. I told them I needed to pass it by the DH first. His orders.... Not really, but whatever. > So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I refused the shots. Yet I still need to sign this waiver.... > > So here is basically what the form says.: > > I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information Sheets explaining the vaccines and the diseases they prevent. I have had the opportunity to discuss with my child's health care provider, who has answered all of my questions regarding the recommedned vaccines. I understand the following: > > -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded vaccine > -The risks and benefits of the recommened vaccine > -If my child does not receive the vaxxinethe consequenses man include: > --Contracting the illness the vaccine should prevent > --Transmitting the dieseas to others > the need form my child to stay out of child care or school during diesease outbreaks > > -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and the CDC have strongly recommeded that the vaccines be given > > Nevertheless I have decded to decline the vaccines recommeded for my child as indicated above, by checking the appropriate box under the column titled declined. > > I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger the health or life of my child and others that my child might come in contact with. > > I know that I may re-address this issue with my health care provider at any time, and that I may change my mind and accept vaccination for my child anytime in the future. > > > That was the form, and at the top it had a list of the vax's I was declining. Hep B, DTaP, Hib, Pneumoccal conjugate vaccine, Polio(IPV) and Rotovirus. Six jabs on my 10 week old? yuck. > So I told her I'd fax it back to her today, signed after DH looked at it. Is there anything I need to change? Scratchout? Initial? Or do I write my own? Any advise from you wonderful people would be much apprecieated. At least this time when I went, she didn't argue with me why I wasn't vaxing......But you can tell the Dr, thinks less fo me. Oh well. > TIA, > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I'd be afraid to sign it, they may try to use it against you later. Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: You only HAVE to sign something if you want to remain with the practice that is requiring it for their records. Certainly, we are all free to say no and move on; it's a matter of choice. Anita maureen gradvohl <mrsvoltaire@...> wrote: You do not have to sign anything. You can sign it and cross off the parts you disagree with, especially the part about endangering the health of your child by not vaxing. --- K Cumming wrote: > why do you need to sign the form? is it a condition > for remaining a patient? if not, I would not sign. > or, can you misplace the paper and not send it in? > Kathy > > > So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped > yesterday. I didn't go in for the norm 2 mth visit > cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. But he > had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted > to check on it. Well while there, she did his 2 > month check and brought in a waiver for me to sign. > ( we had already had the argument about vaxing 5 > weeks prior) I read thru it, but didn't want to > sign it till I ran it past you guys! LOL! They > were not happy that I didn't want to sign it. I > told them I needed to pass it by the DH first. His > orders.... Not really, but whatever. > So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I > refused the shots. Yet I still need to sign this > waiver.... > > So here is basically what the form says.: > > I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information > Sheets explaining the vaccines and the diseases they > prevent. I have had the opportunity to discuss with > my child's health care provider, who has answered > all of my questions regarding the recommedned > vaccines. I understand the following: > > -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded > vaccine > -The risks and benefits of the recommened > vaccine > -If my child does not receive the vaxxinethe > consequenses man include: > --Contracting the illness the vaccine should > prevent > --Transmitting the dieseas to others > the need form my child to stay out of child > care or school during diesease outbreaks > > -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and > the CDC have strongly recommeded that the vaccines > be given > > Nevertheless I have decded to decline the > vaccines recommeded for my child as indicated above, > by checking the appropriate box under the column > titled declined. > > I know that failure to follow the > recommendations about vaccination may endanger the > health or life of my child and others that my child > might come in contact with. > > I know that I may re-address this issue with my > health care provider at any time, and that I may > change my mind and accept vaccination for my child > anytime in the future. > > > That was the form, and at the top it had a list > of the vax's I was declining. Hep B, DTaP, Hib, > Pneumoccal conjugate vaccine, Polio(IPV) and > Rotovirus. Six jabs on my 10 week old? yuck. > So I told her I'd fax it back to her today, > signed after DH looked at it. Is there anything I > need to change? Scratchout? Initial? Or do I > write my own? Any advise from you wonderful people > would be much apprecieated. At least this time when > I went, she didn't argue with me why I wasn't > vaxing......But you can tell the Dr, thinks less fo > me. Oh well. > TIA, > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I saved it from a post by Jagganath..........Anita csbbrunet <csbbrunet@...> wrote: I love this! Where did you find it? I'd like to copy paste it, but a bunch fo the characters are messed up. Again though, I'm sure if I pulled it out, I'd get kicked out. But it would be good to have if they became confrotaional.! > So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped yesterday. I didn't go in for the norm 2 mth visit cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. But he had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted to check on it. Well while there, she did his 2 month check and brought in a waiver for me to sign. ( we had already had the argument about vaxing 5 weeks prior) I read thru it, but didn't want to sign it till I ran it past you guys! LOL! They were not happy that I didn't want to sign it. I told them I needed to pass it by the DH first. His orders.... Not really, but whatever. > So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I refused the shots. Yet I still need to sign this waiver.... > > So here is basically what the form says.: > > I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information Sheets explaining the vaccines and the diseases they prevent. I have had the opportunity to discuss with my child's health care provider, who has answered all of my questions regarding the recommedned vaccines. I understand the following: > > -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded vaccine > -The risks and benefits of the recommened vaccine > -If my child does not receive the vaxxinethe consequenses man include: > --Contracting the illness the vaccine should prevent > --Transmitting the dieseas to others > the need form my child to stay out of child care or school during diesease outbreaks > > -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and the CDC have strongly recommeded that the vaccines be given > > Nevertheless I have decded to decline the vaccines recommeded for my child as indicated above, by checking the appropriate box under the column titled declined. > > I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger the health or life of my child and others that my child might come in contact with. > > I know that I may re-address this issue with my health care provider at any time, and that I may change my mind and accept vaccination for my child anytime in the future. > > > That was the form, and at the top it had a list of the vax's I was declining. Hep B, DTaP, Hib, Pneumoccal conjugate vaccine, Polio(IPV) and Rotovirus. Six jabs on my 10 week old? yuck. > So I told her I'd fax it back to her today, signed after DH looked at it. Is there anything I need to change? Scratchout? Initial? Or do I write my own? Any advise from you wonderful people would be much apprecieated. At least this time when I went, she didn't argue with me why I wasn't vaxing......But you can tell the Dr, thinks less fo me. Oh well. > TIA, > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I would re-type the page or they could say you scratched it out after you signed it. I would have it notarized. There were some serious implications on the original sheet they wanted you to sign. I would have a place for them to sign as well so they could not deny the changes and I would also keep copies. Actually I would look for another Pediatrician. > > > > I second the opinion of not signing at all. But if forced to sign to > > remain a patient, I would create my own and I would definitely > scratch > > out some of their stuff if you wanted to use theirs. Later in a > court of > > law admitting you're threatening your childs life can be used > against > > you and possibly taking your child from you. > > > > > > > > NOW you *could* turn the tables and draw up your own form and have > > *them* sign it! I bet they wouldn't be willing to. Some little gem > like > > this! > > > > > > > > To Whom it may concern, > > > > > > > > I have received and read the appropriate pamphlets on the various > > vaccines this doctor _______wishes my child to receive. > > > > > > > > I understand they are thought to be " preventative " measures in the > > effective containment of disease. However, after further research > and > > enlightenment, I understand that there are some adverse conditions > that > > could happen. I understand there is no way to tell if such adverse > > reactions will affect my child before he/she receives the shots. I > > understand that every vaccine is applied in a " one size fits all " > and I > > understand that every child is unique. > > > > > > > > I also understand that vaccines enter the body through a totally > foreign > > mechanism aside from the natural way a germ would enter the body and > > thereby puts the body and its immune system on constant alert, > thereby > > constantly stressing the body and its immune system. I understand > > vaccines have been linked to (various numbers of autoimmune, skin, > > allergies.. whatever you want to put here). Therefore, I will agree > to > > these vaccines, in an effort to protect my child from the unfriendly > > diseases, if the doctor can absolutely guarantee that my child will > not > > react to any of the listed ingredients on the insert, is not > > contraindicated for any reason and will be there to help me to take > care > > of my child in any unforeseen adverse reaction, I will consent to > the > > following vaccination program. > > > > > > > > And dr. sign________________ > > > > And you sign___________________ > > > > > > > > And I bet they won't go near it and they'll tell you there's no way > they > > can absolutely guarantee no reaction. However, I would venture to > say > > not even they have read the package inserts and are fully aware of > > exactly what the contraindications are. > > > > > > > > How do I know? From my own experience!! They wanted to shoot peter > up > > when he was very congested w/ a bad cold at 6 months with some rot > and I > > came home and looked it up and part of the contraindications were > one of > > his very symptoms I took him to the doctor for! And all they could > say > > " oh, it's OK to give their shots as long as they don't have a > fever " .. > > can't remember exactly if that was the doctor or the PA or the > nurse.. > > but nobody apparently was reading the package insert! YOU have to > look > > out for YOUR child, 100% on practically everything and the only > > difference b/t you and that white coat, is the piece of paper on the > > wall and MAYBE lots of experience seeing lots of sick kids.. > they're not > > smarter, and for sure, YOU are guaranteed to be much more concerned > > about what goes into YOUR child. It's not their kid and it's not any > > skin off their nose if your child has a reaction to the vaccine. > > > > > > > > Was it genetics? Was it shots? Was it susceptibility? That caused > > 's asperger's.. I don't know. I don't really care. The end > point is > > she's got it and nobody, not one of the long line of doctors is > here w/ > > me now dealing with her. They weren't here as a 10 y.o. she's still > > having accidents about getting to the potty and having to interrupt > > herself. They're not here to stop the meltdown b/c as a 6 y.o. her > > teacher has her sleep in spot B rather than spot A at nap time… etc > etc > > etc. don't let them bully you and DON'T let them force you to sign > > anything that says you realize you're endangering your childs > health. > > > > > > > > You could put in your letter that you realize vaccinating endangers > > their health and you realize the vaccines won't guarantee your > child NOT > > getting the disease they're designed to prevent! > > > > > > > > Nita, yes my hands are full, but not my heart: 14, Jon 12, > > > 10, 8, 6, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), > 1, > > and due 2/08 > > Some minds are like concrete: > > Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. > > > > advice on waiver form to sign for Ped. > > > > > > > > So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped yesterday. I didn't go > in for > > the norm 2 mth visit cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. > But he > > had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted to check on it. > Well > > while there, she did his 2 month check and brought in a waiver for > me to > > sign. ( we had already had the argument about vaxing 5 weeks prior) > I > > read thru it, but didn't want to sign it till I ran it past you > guys! > > LOL! They were not happy that I didn't want to sign it. I told them > I > > needed to pass it by the DH first. His orders.... Not really, but > > whatever. > > So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I refused the shots. > Yet I > > still need to sign this waiver.... > > > > So here is basically what the form says.: > > > > I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information Sheets explaining the > > vaccines and the diseases they prevent. I have had the opportunity > to > > discuss with my child's health care provider, who has answered all > of my > > questions regarding the recommedned vaccines. I understand the > > following: > > > > -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded vaccine > > -The risks and benefits of the recommened vaccine > > -If my child does not receive the vaxxine the consequences can > include: > > --Contracting the illness the vaccine should prevent > > --Transmitting the disease to others > > the need form my child to stay out of child care or school during > > disease outbreaks > > > > -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and the CDC have > strongly > > recommeded that the vaccines be given—and I'd add that they're ONLY > > recommeneded, not mandated > > > > Nevertheless I have decided to decline the vaccines recommended for > my > > child as indicated above, by checking the appropriate box under the > > column titled declined. > > > > ( would cross this whole sentence out and say how you know > VACCINATED > > children can risk your child's health) I know that failure to > follow the > > recommendations about vaccination may endanger the health or life > of my > > child and others that my child might come in contact with. > > > > I know that I may re-address this issue with my health care > provider at > > any time, and that I may change my mind and accept vaccination for > my > > child anytime in the future. > > > > > > > > I would add here that you are open at any time to intelligent, > > respectful discussions w/ your HCP where you can have a calm > discussion > > w/o being forced to sign and w/o being subjected to Gestapo > techniques. > > And that they realize that you and your husband have the final say > on > > any and all healthcare decisions for YOUR child. This is not the > gov'ts > > child, it is not their child. It's not their practices child. > > > > Was it here or soemthwere else that someone came up w/ a much better > > wored letter that just completely turned the tables, such as I have > > tried to exemplify.. I can't remember but you can get creative. > > > > > > > > OR if you really don't want to sign at all, call up and say `my > lawyer > > has recommended we don't need to sign this b/c this is OUR child > and you > > are not " endangering " your child, as they are wont to put it. " .. It > > just really frosts my cookies, the things they're coming up with to > coer > > their butts but then can say oh so innocently, " oh I'm sorry your > child > > has regressed beyond all reason. I'm SURE it wasn't the > vaccinations and > > the 10 billion jabs we gave them in one day that did it. It must > been > > something else. It just MUST HAVE! " enough children have been > sacrificed > > on the " vaccines save " altar/lie > > > > > > > > And if it ever comes up she does think less of you, you can > say " ditto > > babe! I can't believe you're into legal poisoining. I had such high > > hopes for you! " > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/921 - Release Date: > > 7/26/2007 11:16 PM > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/921 - Release Date: > > 7/26/2007 11:16 PM > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I don't blame you. I just went through the motions (with my disclaimer) because I love our ped. I've been there for many years and never had a problem. I'm considered a good and responsible mother despite my choice not to vaccinate. You have to remember that they need to protect themselves too..........Anita original rebelgirl <originalrebelgirl@...> wrote: I'd be afraid to sign it, they may try to use it against you later. Anita Durney wrote: You only HAVE to sign something if you want to remain with the practice that is requiring it for their records. Certainly, we are all free to say no and move on; it's a matter of choice. Anita maureen gradvohl wrote: You do not have to sign anything. You can sign it and cross off the parts you disagree with, especially the part about endangering the health of your child by not vaxing. --- K Cumming wrote: > why do you need to sign the form? is it a condition > for remaining a patient? if not, I would not sign. > or, can you misplace the paper and not send it in? > Kathy > > > So I brought my 2 1/2 month old to the ped > yesterday. I didn't go in for the norm 2 mth visit > cause i wasn't vaxing and my DS was healthy. But he > had been having some ear wax drainage and i wanted > to check on it. Well while there, she did his 2 > month check and brought in a waiver for me to sign. > ( we had already had the argument about vaxing 5 > weeks prior) I read thru it, but didn't want to > sign it till I ran it past you guys! LOL! They > were not happy that I didn't want to sign it. I > told them I needed to pass it by the DH first. His > orders.... Not really, but whatever. > So the Dr just made a note in his chart that I > refused the shots. Yet I still need to sign this > waiver.... > > So here is basically what the form says.: > > I have been read the CDC Vaccine Information > Sheets explaining the vaccines and the diseases they > prevent. I have had the opportunity to discuss with > my child's health care provider, who has answered > all of my questions regarding the recommedned > vaccines. I understand the following: > > -The purpose of and the need for the recommeded > vaccine > -The risks and benefits of the recommened > vaccine > -If my child does not receive the vaxxinethe > consequenses man include: > --Contracting the illness the vaccine should > prevent > --Transmitting the dieseas to others > the need form my child to stay out of child > care or school during diesease outbreaks > > -My health care provider, the AAP, the AAFP and > the CDC have strongly recommeded that the vaccines > be given > > Nevertheless I have decded to decline the > vaccines recommeded for my child as indicated above, > by checking the appropriate box under the column > titled declined. > > I know that failure to follow the > recommendations about vaccination may endanger the > health or life of my child and others that my child > might come in contact with. > > I know that I may re-address this issue with my > health care provider at any time, and that I may > change my mind and accept vaccination for my child > anytime in the future. > > > That was the form, and at the top it had a list > of the vax's I was declining. Hep B, DTaP, Hib, > Pneumoccal conjugate vaccine, Polio(IPV) and > Rotovirus. Six jabs on my 10 week old? yuck. > So I told her I'd fax it back to her today, > signed after DH looked at it. Is there anything I > need to change? Scratchout? Initial? Or do I > write my own? Any advise from you wonderful people > would be much apprecieated. At least this time when > I went, she didn't argue with me why I wasn't > vaxing......But you can tell the Dr, thinks less fo > me. Oh well. > TIA, > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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