The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced

[Guest guest]

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Thanks for posting this link.

Here is the comment I posted

in the form the UPI provided:

>This is a needed study.

>

>However, the incidence of asthma,

>diabetes, obesity, MS, leukemia's,

>food allergies, gut problems and

>other diseases among children whose

>rates may also be much higher in the

>vaccinated than the unvaccinated

>would need to be studied.

>

>In addition, the health data

>(stripped of names, addresses, and

>social security numbers) from the

>study should be required to be

>published so that the reported

>findings could be confirmed by

>independent researchers and the

>responsible agency for cillecting

>and evaluation the data should be

>the Census Bureau and not the CDC

>(given the CDC's failure to maintain

>and provide access to all of the

>data sets from the VSD that were

>used in the CDC's 'Verstraaeten'

>epidemiological studies.

>

>Hopefully, this legislation will

>lead to an unbiased study will shed

>light on the issues of the harm that

>vaccines are causing while " protecting "

>the public from childhood communicable

>diseases and, for reasons that are

>less than clear, a lifestyle disease,

>Hep B.

>

>Respectfully,

>

>Dr. King

>

Hopefully, the comments will help.

Respectfully,

Dr. King

http://www.dr-king.com

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[Guest guest]

So the bill would compare Vax vs. Un-Vax inside the single practice plus look at rates among the largely unvaccinated Amish community where as Dan has already pointed out there is no autism?

The article states:

I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines.

This is not intended as a remand, but if we already know the answer why does it require a study? The bill makes a political statement and that's maybe good.

Why not make the government do Burbacher all over again and not kill all the monkeys this time? It seems to me the ethylmercury monkeys were still accumulating or converting ethylmercury to inorganic in their brains at significantly higher rates than tuna mercury when the study ran out of monkeys to kill. There's not much dead monkey brain tissue can tell you, it's a dead brain. A living monkey accumulating mercurial mercury in it's brain is bound to show or not show signs of neurological failures or lack of normal development, Let them live this time and watch what happens. The monkeys with excellent kung-fu skills, insomnia, inappropriately screeching voices, runny bowels, etc. will be the autistic ones. How about adding in a little bit of that multi-colored MRI action on the primates?

So we can't unlock the VSD why not create our own VSD? Using fax machines parents with ASD kid(s) can send in a copy of their kid's vaccine record card or shot records paper minus linkers. I'm sure that somebody good at it can create a spread sheet to input all the data. If there's two thousand replies or ten thousand parents willing to submit recorded vaccinations and we already know the adverse events outcome(s), it's simply a matter of requesting that all parents ask a friend to send their NT child's in. I'll bet there's fifty people reading this that can punch in data and have it done PDQ.The rest will have to learn real fast. Throw in a cool-looking trinket or two for cooperation and tah dah a usable VSD-like database. No walking required.

You can research foreign countries to see if they keep something similar to a VSD type of database for adverse events outcomes and they'd be willing to work research datasets. A great way to work around the Wizard's of Odd at CDC. My suspicion is CDC VSD is just a xerox of some database of Euro-design. How do the drug companies strain vaccine data out of foreign countries?

The probability is very high that lots and lots of CDC pathology is being performed on ASD kids that have died. Either directly or file review. Why not float a bill requiring CDC personnel to do comprehensive file reviews on our living children? I am sure that most of us have stacks and stacks of lab results just waiting for the CDC brain-works to get their hands on them. How do we know they aren't already reviewing files right now? (I have heard one rumor that doctors are feeding them our kid's data I can tell you who, but you'll have to die)

The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced

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"I have not seen autism with the Amish," said Dr. Noonan, a family practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish for a quarter-century. "You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the way it is." In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "We have a fairly large practice," Eisenstein told us. "We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines. "We do have enough of a sample," Eisenstein said. "The numbers are too large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss." Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he has proposed such a study in that group. "I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of unvaccinated homeschooled," said Bradstreet, "and we can do simple prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that you're going to see no autism in this group."

[Guest guest]

Yes, If the study is done properly, we already know what they are

going to find. When the results show a link, the IOM will hold up

their 2004 study and say the two studies balance each other out. The

truth is already out there for anyone who wants to dig a little.

Let's look at the facts.

They have epidemilogical studies in their favor, concerning which,

we have FOI e-mails showing clear evidence of manipulation, and not

one CDC official has faced charges. We have numerous scientific

studies that show the dangers of Thimerosal, and the cdc nor the

Drug companies have produced one study showing it to be safe,

because they can't. The Cheif Executive officer of the United States

sealed records from vaccine court, with little explanation. The

senate majority leader continually inserts liability protection into

appropriation bills at the request of the drug companies. And both

these acts have yet to be investigated. I am so frustrated. I think

at this point if we had video of Frist, Bush, and drug exec's

talking about all the money they were going to make, and how our

kids were sacrificed for the cause, it would still get ignored by

the media and law inforcement.

They can't be allowed to just walk away from this without facing

justice in a court of law. They poisoned our kids for the sake of

profits! No one is above the law, I don't care who you are or how

much money you have. We have enough evidence right now for an

investigation, Why are they not being investigated? For every member

of this board, there are a thousand families who have been damaged

by these money grubbing bastards. Most of these families don't even

know what was done to them. Like it or not, each member of this

group represents 1000 families! I want justice for them, and justice

for my own family as well. If this is still a govenment by and for

the people, then justice will come. This country was founded on the

principle the people control and run the government, not the

government controlling and running the people! Somewhere along the

line it got screwed up, and we have to take it back.

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> So the bill would compare Vax vs. Un-Vax inside the single

practice plus look at rates among the largely unvaccinated Amish

community where as Dan has already pointed out there is no autism?

>

> The article states:

>

> I don't think we have a single case of autism in children

delivered by us who never received vaccines.

>

> This is not intended as a remand, but if we already know the

answer why does it require a study? The bill makes a political

statement and that's maybe good.

>

> Why not make the government do Burbacher all over again and not

kill all the monkeys this time? It seems to me the ethylmercury

monkeys were still accumulating or converting ethylmercury to

inorganic in their brains at significantly higher rates than tuna

mercury when the study ran out of monkeys to kill. There's not much

dead monkey brain tissue can tell you, it's a dead brain. A living

monkey accumulating mercurial mercury in it's brain is bound to show

or not show signs of neurological failures or lack of normal

development, Let them live this time and watch what happens. The

monkeys with excellent kung-fu skills, insomnia, inappropriately

screeching voices, runny bowels, etc. will be the autistic ones. How

about adding in a little bit of that multi-colored MRI action on the

primates?

>

> So we can't unlock the VSD why not create our own VSD? Using fax

machines parents with ASD kid(s) can send in a copy of their kid's

vaccine record card or shot records paper minus linkers. I'm sure

that somebody good at it can create a spread sheet to input all the

data. If there's two thousand replies or ten thousand parents

willing to submit recorded vaccinations and we already know the

adverse events outcome(s), it's simply a matter of requesting that

all parents ask a friend to send their NT child's in. I'll bet

there's fifty people reading this that can punch in data and have it

done PDQ.The rest will have to learn real fast. Throw in a cool-

looking trinket or two for cooperation and tah dah a usable VSD-like

database. No walking required.

>

> You can research foreign countries to see if they keep something

similar to a VSD type of database for adverse events outcomes and

they'd be willing to work research datasets. A great way to work

around the Wizard's of Odd at CDC. My suspicion is CDC VSD is just a

xerox of some database of Euro-design. How do the drug companies

strain vaccine data out of foreign countries?

>

> The probability is very high that lots and lots of CDC pathology

is being performed on ASD kids that have died. Either directly or

file review. Why not float a bill requiring CDC personnel to do

comprehensive file reviews on our living children? I am sure that

most of us have stacks and stacks of lab results just waiting for

the CDC brain-works to get their hands on them. How do we know they

aren't already reviewing files right now? (I have heard one rumor

that doctors are feeding them our kid's data I can tell you who, but

you'll have to die)

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> The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced

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> http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20060728-

111605-3532r

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> " I have not seen autism with the Amish, " said Dr. Noonan,

a family practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated

thousands of Amish for a quarter-century. " You'll find all the

other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're right in the heart

of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the way it is. "

> In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands

of never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions

through Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy.

Homefirst's medical director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is

not aware of any cases of autism in never-vaccinated children; the

national rate is 1 in 175, according to the Centers for Disease

Control and Prevention. " We have a fairly large practice, "

Eisenstein told us. " We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that

we've taken care of over the years, and I don't think we have a

single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received

vaccines. " We do have enough of a sample, " Eisenstein said. " The

numbers are too large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're

all family doctors. If I have a child with autism come in, there's

no communication. It's frightening. You can't touch them. It's not

something that anyone would miss. "

> Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with

ties to families who homeschool their children for religious

reasons, told Age of Autism he has proposed such a study in that

group. " I said I know I can tap into this community and find you

large numbers of unvaccinated homeschooled, " said Bradstreet, " and

we can do simple prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my

gut reaction is that you're going to see no autism in this group. "

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[Guest guest]

You are too funny!!! I agree, we know it's so, a study spending years

is gonna be a politicized point, where they'll try everything to throw

out non-autism rates in non-immunized and rubiks cube it around until

it shows what they want it to. Who is it that says you can make

numbers do what ever you want?

I've said before to start a group with nothing but shot records.

We could use a database feature to collect it. I've wondered if anyone

else shares the same lot no as the one that got Allie sick. Anyway,

they've said they " lost " the VSD data used, they've probably changed

it around so much it wouldn't be the original stuff.

I heard Dr. Walsh say at a bioconference several years ago that the

NIH is working with Great Plains on their database of labs. Evidently

Great Plains has the largest database of autism labs anywhere.

Debi

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> So the bill would compare Vax vs. Un-Vax inside the single practice

plus look at rates among the largely unvaccinated Amish community

where as Dan has already pointed out there is no autism?

>

> The article states:

>

> I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered

by us who never received vaccines.

>

> This is not intended as a remand, but if we already know the answer

why does it require a study? The bill makes a political statement and

that's maybe good.

>

> Why not make the government do Burbacher all over again and not kill

all the monkeys this time? It seems to me the ethylmercury monkeys

were still accumulating or converting ethylmercury to inorganic in

their brains at significantly higher rates than tuna mercury when the

study ran out of monkeys to kill. There's not much dead monkey brain

tissue can tell you, it's a dead brain. A living monkey accumulating

mercurial mercury in it's brain is bound to show or not show signs of

neurological failures or lack of normal development, Let them live

this time and watch what happens. The monkeys with excellent kung-fu

skills, insomnia, inappropriately screeching voices, runny bowels,

etc. will be the autistic ones. How about adding in a little bit of

that multi-colored MRI action on the primates?

>

> So we can't unlock the VSD why not create our own VSD? Using fax

machines parents with ASD kid(s) can send in a copy of their kid's

vaccine record card or shot records paper minus linkers. I'm sure that

somebody good at it can create a spread sheet to input all the data.

If there's two thousand replies or ten thousand parents willing to

submit recorded vaccinations and we already know the adverse events

outcome(s), it's simply a matter of requesting that all parents ask a

friend to send their NT child's in. I'll bet there's fifty people

reading this that can punch in data and have it done PDQ.The rest will

have to learn real fast. Throw in a cool-looking trinket or two for

cooperation and tah dah a usable VSD-like database. No walking required.

>

> You can research foreign countries to see if they keep something

similar to a VSD type of database for adverse events outcomes and

they'd be willing to work research datasets. A great way to work

around the Wizard's of Odd at CDC. My suspicion is CDC VSD is just a

xerox of some database of Euro-design. How do the drug companies

strain vaccine data out of foreign countries?

>

> The probability is very high that lots and lots of CDC pathology is

being performed on ASD kids that have died. Either directly or file

review. Why not float a bill requiring CDC personnel to do

comprehensive file reviews on our living children? I am sure that most

of us have stacks and stacks of lab results just waiting for the CDC

brain-works to get their hands on them. How do we know they aren't

already reviewing files right now? (I have heard one rumor that

doctors are feeding them our kid's data I can tell you who, but you'll

have to die)

>

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> The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced

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http://www.upi.com/ConsumerHealthDaily/view.php?StoryID=20060728-111605-3532r

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> " I have not seen autism with the Amish, " said Dr. Noonan, a

family practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated

thousands of Amish for a quarter-century. " You'll find all the other

stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're right in the heart of Amish

country and seeing none, and that's just the way it is. "

> In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of

never-vaccinated children whose parents received exemptions through

Illinois' relatively permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's

medical director, Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any

cases of autism in never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1

in 175, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

" We have a fairly large practice, " Eisenstein told us. " We have about

30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and

I don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by

us who never received vaccines. " We do have enough of a sample, "

Eisenstein said. " The numbers are too large to not see it. We would

absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If I have a child with

autism come in, there's no communication. It's frightening. You can't

touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss. "

> Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with

ties to families who homeschool their children for religious reasons,

told Age of Autism he has proposed such a study in that group. " I said

I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of

unvaccinated homeschooled, " said Bradstreet, " and we can do simple

prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that

you're going to see no autism in this group. "

>

[Guest guest]

If these bills stall in Congress, we should absolutely find a way to

do them ourselves.

A very close friend of ours who does studies like this for a living

has related to me that with the right data sets and computer program,

you could do the study " in about a half an hour " . While this is

obviously hyperbole, his point was that getting the data will be the

issue, not the time or expense associated with conducting a well-

designed and thoroughly credible study.

We should push hard on Congress of course to get this done, but time

is of the essence, and we should also build a contingency plan.

Is anyone talking to Bradstreet and the Geiers about this?

Jenna

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[Guest guest]

Jenna, I've wondered about this, too. I'm not intelligent enough to

design the parameters. Like, how many kids from each age range,

financial background, dietary habits, non-relation to families of

autism, etc. Once those parameters are established, what would be

next, finding physicians to allow records to be seen, or would one go

straight to the public?

I have to do a study for my health care research class in the coming

year, naturally, I'd love to do something autism-related.

Debi

-- In EOHarm , " wewillwin07 " <wewillwin07@...> wrote:

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> If these bills stall in Congress, we should absolutely find a way to

> do them ourselves.

>

> A very close friend of ours who does studies like this for a living

> has related to me that with the right data sets and computer program,

> you could do the study " in about a half an hour " . While this is

> obviously hyperbole, his point was that getting the data will be the

> issue, not the time or expense associated with conducting a well-

> designed and thoroughly credible study.

>

> We should push hard on Congress of course to get this done, but time

> is of the essence, and we should also build a contingency plan.

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> Is anyone talking to Bradstreet and the Geiers about this?

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> Jenna

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Published: July 28, 2006 at 10:35 AM

The Age of Autism: 'Amish bill' introduced

By DAN OLMSTED

UPI Senior Editor

WASHINGTON, July 28 (UPI) -- For the second time this week, legislation

aimed at determining whether vaccines are linked to an epidemic of

unrecognized side effects has been introduced in Congress -- this time as a

direct result of reporting by Age of Autism.

The new legislation, titled the Comprehensive Comparative Study of

Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Populations Act of 2006, would order the

National Institutes of Health to study " health outcomes, including autism, "

in those two groups.

In essence, the bill proposes the simplest way to exonerate vaccines as a

cause of autism: If the autism rate is about the same in never-vaccinated

children, vaccines are unlikely to play any role.

Yet such a straightforward and potentially decisive study has never been

done on American children. In the past, public-health officials have said

such an approach would be impractical due to low numbers of

never-vaccinated children, but this column found tens of thousands of such

children -- beginning with the Amish -- in various locations in the United

States.

In our anecdotal and unscientific reporting, the rate of autism seemed

strikingly lower in never-vaccinated children, although those findings

cannot be considered conclusive or convincing. For that, a scientific study

would be needed, as proposed in the new legislation.

The bill is being co-sponsored by Reps. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., and Tom

Osborne, R-Neb. It seeks to determine whether there is any correlation

between the increasing number of immunizations in recent years and the rise

in " chronic, unexplained diseases such as autism, learning disabilities,

and other neurological disorders " over the same time period.

" Childhood immunizations greatly reduce human suffering from infectious

disease, and I think it would be in the best interest of everyone if we

definitively resolve parents' questions about vaccines, " Maloney said in a

statement.

Maloney cited particular concern about the mercury-based vaccine

preservative thimerosal, to which children were increasingly exposed

beginning in the late 1980s. It was phased out starting in 1999 at the

recommendation of public-health officials and the American Academy of

Pediatrics.

Subsequent studies have found no association between thimerosal and autism,

but critics say those studies have been inadequate and beset by conflicts

of interest. Nor have they compared vaccinated vs. unvaccinated

populations, in part because officials say such groups are hard to find in

a society where childhood immunizations are routine -- and mostly mandatory

for school attendance.

" In this country we have very high levels of vaccination, " CDC Director Dr.

Gerberding told Age of Autism at a news conference last year. While

" such studies could be done and should be done, " she suggested, the

obstacles might be overwhelming.

But this column identified several groups that might fit the bill -- from

the Amish in Pennsylvania Dutch country to homeschooled children to

patients of a Chicago family practice.

" I have not seen autism with the Amish, " said Dr. Noonan, a family

practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish

for a quarter-century.

" You'll find all the other stuff, but we don't find the autism. We're right

in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that's just the way it is. "

In Chicago, Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of never-vaccinated

children whose parents received exemptions through Illinois' relatively

permissive immunization policy. Homefirst's medical director, Dr. Mayer

Eisenstein, told us he is not aware of any cases of autism in

never-vaccinated children; the national rate is 1 in 175, according to the

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

" We have a fairly large practice, " Eisenstein told us. " We have about

30,000 or 35,000 children that we've taken care of over the years, and I

don't think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who

never received vaccines.

" We do have enough of a sample, " Eisenstein said. " The numbers are too

large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We're all family doctors. If

I have a child with autism come in, there's no communication. It's

frightening. You can't touch them. It's not something that anyone would miss. "

Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a Florida family practitioner with ties to families

who homeschool their children for religious reasons, told Age of Autism he

has proposed such a study in that group.

" I said I know I can tap into this community and find you large numbers of

unvaccinated homeschooled, " said Bradstreet, " and we can do simple

prevalence and incidence studies in them, and my gut reaction is that

you're going to see no autism in this group. "

Osborne and Maloney said such examples undercut claims " there was not a big

enough population to which we could compare the general vaccinated

population. ... The Maloney-Osborne legislation proposes comparing

vaccinated populations with unvaccinated populations such as these. "

Clearly, there are children with autism who have never been vaccinated.

Moreover, even a much-lower rate of autism in never-vaccinated groups would

not directly implicate vaccines as a cause -- other factors could be at

work. For instance, the Amish might have a genetic resistance to the

disorder; children receiving alternative schooling or healthcare might have

less exposure to other conceivable medical, environmental or lifestyle

triggers.

But just as clearly, such a study could be done, and the Maloney-Osborne

bill proposes to do it.

Maloney was co-sponsor of another bill introduced Wednesday with Rep.

Weldon, R-Fla. That bill would give responsibility for the nation's vaccine

safety to an independent agency outside the CDC. Weldon was harshly

critical of the government's monitoring of vaccines.

The National Autism Association called the two bills " good news from

Washington. NAA applauds Congresswoman Maloney in her continuing efforts to

support families affected by autism with this new legislation and

co-sponsorship of Congressman Weldon's Vaccine Safety bill. "

The group urged its members to ask their local representatives to support

the legislation when they are back in their districts during the August

congressional recess.

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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