Day Seven of the Vaccine-Autism Trial

[Guest guest]

Kent Heckenlively, Esq.--- writes:

"Years later when experts in a courtroom view videos of a child they think they see the early signs of autism, and therefore the MMR shots couldn't have had anything to do with it. But what about the thimerosal the child received on the very first day of line from their Hepatitis B shot? Could that have started the autistic cascade which finally became an avalanche after the MMR shot? The pediatrician who oversaw 's care didn't notice any problems before the MMR shot. Was he right or wrong?"

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"The pediatrician who oversaw 's care didn't notice any problems before the MMR shot. Was he right or wrong?"

That is the BILLION DOLLAR QUESTION!

Is it possible for Micelle's parents to call the pediatrician who administered the MMR to her as a "rebuttal" witness to these "experts"? I believe the pediatrician should be given the opportunity to defend his professional reputation against "hind-sight" allegations by "experts" that he failed to note any autistic behaviors prior to administering the MMR to her?

Perhaps the Special Masters would find it useful to learn why the pediatrician failed to record the same observations of as the "experts" have done from watching videos? After all, he was the one who administered the MMR in the first place.

I do hope SOMEONE on 's team requires opposing "experts" to explain the "skull and crossbones" affixed to the label of thimerosal. That "skull and crossbones" should be shown every "expert" and have them give a scientific explanation for what it signifies in their own field of "expertise".

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"The pediatrician who oversaw 's care didn't notice any problems before the MMR shot. Was he right or wrong?" That is the BILLION DOLLAR QUESTION! My children's pediatrician did not notice anything either, until I pointed out my sons' difficulties to him, and in the case of the youngest, asked (more like begged) for a referral to a child psychiatrist and later to a developmental pediatrician. Even the two child psychiatrists who observed and worked with my son, did not know what to make of his difficulties and were not willing to diagnose him with anything. Both of them held a rather rigid view of "autism", I believe, and one of them told me that my son could not be autistic because he was trying to communicate (even though he was having a lot of difficulty with speech and language development).

I think back in the early and mid-1990's, psychiatrists and psychologists perhaps still held to a very "Kannerish" stereotype of autism, and were not yet accustomed to seeing the wider spectrum of ASD behavior that they have likely become more familiar with in more recent years. Besides, usually when my pediatrician saw my children, we often came en masse for their "well child visits", and it took enough trouble to get through the routine checkups (and keep everyone in line and sort of behaving and out of trouble), that it would have been difficult for him to notice any one's lack of speech and/or eye contact, another's motor tics, etc. Usually, these visits did not last very long, and he never really had the opportunity to observe any one of them long enough to notice these sorts of issues without me bringing them up first or inquiring about them. AasaRmoffi@... wrote: Kent Heckenlively, Esq.--- writes: "Years later when experts in a courtroom view videos of a child they think they see the early signs of autism, and therefore the MMR shots couldn't have had anything to do with it. But what about the thimerosal the child received on the very first day of line from their Hepatitis B shot? Could that have started the autistic cascade which finally became an avalanche after the MMR shot? The pediatrician who oversaw 's care

didn't notice any problems before the MMR shot. Was he right or wrong?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The pediatrician who oversaw 's care didn't notice any problems before the MMR shot. Was he right or wrong?" That is the BILLION DOLLAR QUESTION! Is it possible for Micelle's parents to call the pediatrician who administered the MMR to her as a "rebuttal" witness to these "experts"? I believe the pediatrician should be given the opportunity to defend his professional reputation against "hind-sight" allegations by "experts" that he failed to note any autistic behaviors

prior to administering the MMR to her? Perhaps the Special Masters would find it useful to learn why the pediatrician failed to record the same observations of as the "experts" have done from watching videos? After all, he was the one who administered the MMR in the first place. I do hope SOMEONE on 's team requires opposing "experts" to explain the "skull and crossbones" affixed to the label of thimerosal. That "skull and crossbones" should be shown every "expert" and have them give a scientific explanation for what it signifies in their own field of "expertise". See what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kent Firstly thank you for your reviews on the proceedings in court - I look forward to reading them each week, even though I download the pdf posted on their website. Wading through the intellectual snobbery displayed by the witnesses for the respondent leaves much to be desired. I found myself thinking the same thing on reading Fombonne's testimony where at every opportunity he was trying to convince the court that had abnormal/delayed development prior to her MMR and he seemed to emphasise that she was on a continuum in her delayed development and what is seen after the MMR is just a more obvious part of the same continuum. I was wondering too if she had received her HepB shot after birth because that was the beginning of my daughter's decline after reacting to it quite badly. I thought his opinion of her words before and after was again an attempt on his part to create more doubt in the minds of the Masters

without really any scientific basis. He knows she has autism and that preconceived knowledge in itself would skew any assessment that is retrospective, especially from a videotape of her pre-MMR days. Since he did not personally assess her as a baby what he is presenting is opinion/belief and not scientific evidence from any scientific test carried out on then. The same goes for Witznitzer and his attempt to say that he could diagnose her condition by viewing videotapes and he could assess her use of language from those few moments captured on tape. If that holds up in court we no longer need ADOS and ADI-R testing for a formal diagnosis do we? I remember reading at the onset that the emphasis is just not on MMR but also the mercury in vaccines which would include the HepB - is that right? I have no doubt that delays in early development have always been present and such children have often gone on to develop normally in the

generation previous to this over-vaccinated generation and that is probably why 's doctor recorded nothing remarkable in her early medical history as did my daughter's doctor. Personally I think my daughter recovered somewhat from each consecutive vaccine but not fully. She was on a continuum of decline that culminated in her autism from that very first vaccine after birth. Dini

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[Guest guest]

Boys are late talkers

He's just slow in developing

Your lucky he's even alive.

What my pediatrcian (correct that Former one) told me....

Diane

> Kent Heckenlively, Esq.--- writes:

>

> " Years later when experts in a courtroom view videos of a

> child they think they see the early signs of autism, and therefore

> the MMR shots couldn't have had anything to do with it. But what

> about the thimerosal the child received on the very first day of

line

> from their Hepatitis B shot? Could that have started the autistic

> cascade which finally became an avalanche after the MMR shot? The

> pediatrician who oversaw 's care didn't notice any

problems

> before the MMR shot. Was he right or wrong? "

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> " The pediatrician who oversaw 's care didn't notice any

problems before the MMR shot. Was he right or wrong? "

>

> That is the BILLION DOLLAR QUESTION!

>

> Is it possible for Micelle's parents to call the pediatrician

who administered the MMR to her as a " rebuttal " witness to

these " experts " ? I believe the pediatrician should be given the

opportunity to defend his professional reputation against " hind-

sight " allegations by " experts " that he failed to note any autistic

behaviors prior to administering the MMR to her?

>

> Perhaps the Special Masters would find it useful to learn why

the pediatrician failed to record the same observations of

as the " experts " have done from watching videos? After all, he was

the one who administered the MMR in the first place.

>

> I do hope SOMEONE on 's team requires opposing " experts "

to explain the " skull and crossbones " affixed to the label of

thimerosal. That " skull and crossbones " should be shown

every " expert " and have them give a scientific explanation for what

it signifies in their own field of " expertise " .

>

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> See what's free at AOL.com.

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[Guest guest]

My son came home from the hospital with very bad

jaundice (high billirubin count)(normal birth/ Apgar

scores)Nontheless, he was given his first shot soon

afterwards.

One week after my son received his 6 month DTAP, he

began banging his head on our shoulders when we would

carry him. Just before my son turned 8 months, he had

a seizure. We never gave our son the MMR due to the

fact that it was highly likely that he would get a

high fever, thus a seizure. We did give him flu shots

and eventually completed all other vaccines.

It was not until our son turned 2 that we started

learning about sites like this. This as when we

really began to notice his regression, even though it

had started a few months earlier.

I think all children are different as to how much they

can tolerate and when they " break " . I definetly think

the MMR is a big part of the problem. I think it is

" the straw that breaks the camels back. " I also think

it is the a big part of the problem for the GI

problems and allergies etc.

We have no family history of autism and our other

child is NT.(only received HIB and Polio spread out

over first 13 months) I believe all vaccines

contribute together/ Just my thoughts.....

--- dpowell605 <POWDER914@...> wrote:

> Boys are late talkers

> He's just slow in developing

> Your lucky he's even alive.

>

> What my pediatrcian (correct that Former one) told

> me....

>

> Diane

>

>

> > Kent Heckenlively, Esq.--- writes:

> >

> > " Years later when experts in a courtroom view

> videos of a

> > child they think they see the early signs of

> autism, and therefore

> > the MMR shots couldn't have had anything to do

> with it. But what

> > about the thimerosal the child received on the

> very first day of

> line

> > from their Hepatitis B shot? Could that have

> started the autistic

> > cascade which finally became an avalanche after

> the MMR shot? The

> > pediatrician who oversaw 's care didn't

> notice any

> problems

> > before the MMR shot. Was he right or wrong? "

> >

>

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> >

> > " The pediatrician who oversaw 's care

> didn't notice any

> problems before the MMR shot. Was he right or

> wrong? "

> >

> > That is the BILLION DOLLAR QUESTION!

> >

> > Is it possible for Micelle's parents to call the

> pediatrician

> who administered the MMR to her as a " rebuttal "

> witness to

> these " experts " ? I believe the pediatrician should

> be given the

> opportunity to defend his professional reputation

> against " hind-

> sight " allegations by " experts " that he failed to

> note any autistic

> behaviors prior to administering the MMR to her?

> >

> > Perhaps the Special Masters would find it useful

> to learn why

> the pediatrician failed to record the same

> observations of

> as the " experts " have done from watching videos?

> After all, he was

> the one who administered the MMR in the first place.

> >

> > I do hope SOMEONE on 's team requires

> opposing " experts "

> to explain the " skull and crossbones " affixed to the

> label of

> thimerosal. That " skull and crossbones " should be

> shown

> every " expert " and have them give a scientific

> explanation for what

> it signifies in their own field of " expertise " .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> > See what's free at AOL.com.

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[Guest guest]

How odd. My son had severe jaundice as well. They wanted to put him

under some light (I want to say kangaroo light or something bizarre

like that?) He still got his shots in the hospital, per usual.

I would guess that my 2nd son, who is much less affected than my 1st

son, would be much worse off if I had him vaccinated.

Wouldn't that be an interesting study -- to look at families with

multiple children with autism to see the severity of autism of those

vaccinated versus those not vaccinated. It would be too hard to do,

obviously, because finding participants would probably be really

difficult.

But I would bet my life savings that if had been vaccinated, he'd

be hand flapping and spinning in circles too.

> > > Kent Heckenlively, Esq.--- writes:

> > >

> > > " Years later when experts in a courtroom view

> > videos of a

> > > child they think they see the early signs of

> > autism, and therefore

> > > the MMR shots couldn't have had anything to do

> > with it. But what

> > > about the thimerosal the child received on the

> > very first day of

> > line

> > > from their Hepatitis B shot? Could that have

> > started the autistic

> > > cascade which finally became an avalanche after

> > the MMR shot? The

> > > pediatrician who oversaw 's care didn't

> > notice any

> > problems

> > > before the MMR shot. Was he right or wrong? "

> > >

> >

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> > >

> > > " The pediatrician who oversaw 's care

> > didn't notice any

> > problems before the MMR shot. Was he right or

> > wrong? "

> > >

> > > That is the BILLION DOLLAR QUESTION!

> > >

> > > Is it possible for Micelle's parents to call the

> > pediatrician

> > who administered the MMR to her as a " rebuttal "

> > witness to

> > these " experts " ? I believe the pediatrician should

> > be given the

> > opportunity to defend his professional reputation

> > against " hind-

> > sight " allegations by " experts " that he failed to

> > note any autistic

> > behaviors prior to administering the MMR to her?

> > >

> > > Perhaps the Special Masters would find it useful

> > to learn why

> > the pediatrician failed to record the same

> > observations of

> > as the " experts " have done from watching videos?

> > After all, he was

> > the one who administered the MMR in the first place.

> > >

> > > I do hope SOMEONE on 's team requires

> > opposing " experts "

> > to explain the " skull and crossbones " affixed to the

> > label of

> > thimerosal. That " skull and crossbones " should be

> > shown

> > every " expert " and have them give a scientific

> > explanation for what

> > it signifies in their own field of " expertise " .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > > See what's free at AOL.com.

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[Guest guest]

The Rorschach Family Home Videos – Day Seven of the Autism Omnibus

Trial

By Kent Heckenlively, Esq.

There's a joke about a man in a psychiatrist's office who's taking

the Rorschach ink-blot test. The ink-blots are abstract and what the

patient sees in them is supposed to reveal something of his mental

state.

In each picture the man claims to see different scantily-clad women.

" I know what your problem is! " the psychiatrist declares. " You're

obsessed with sex! "

" But doc, " the patient protests, " you're the one showing me all the

dirty pictures! "

In reviewing this day's testimony all I could think of was the

Rorschach ink-blot test. What people see in the videos of

Cedillo reveals what they believe is at the heart of autism.

DIRECT EXAMINATION OF DR. MAX WIZNITZER BY MR. VORIS JOHNSON, JR. –

ATTORNEY FOR THE GOVERNMENT (RESPONDENTS)

Dr. Wiznitzer is board certified in pediatrics, pediatric neurology,

and in neuro-developmental disabilities. He received his M.D. from

Northwestern University in Chicago, Illinois, and had a fellowship

studying disorders of language and autism. He's an associate

professor of Pediatrics, Neurology, and International Health at Case

Western Reserve University School of Medicine and is also a staff

child neurologist at Rainbow Babies and Children's Hospital.

There was some controversy at the beginning of the hearing about

whether they would actually review the video-tapes in court or simply

refer to the time and frame of the recording. Apparently, there was

some concern over whether the showing of the tapes was distressing to

the Cedillo family. Plaintiff's counsel said there was no problem

showing the videos in court and adjustments were made to have the

tapes reviewed in the courtroom.

Plaintiff's counsel was concerned that the testimony of Dr. Wiznitzer

on early signs of autism in the videos was duplicative of the

previous day's testimony. It was, but the special masters allowed

it. His testimony highlighted areas of concern that had been

discussed the previous day, such as whether she really had language,

although she was clearly using words, her social interactions with

people, and whether she was turning towards people when they called

her name.

CROSS-EXAMINATION OF DR. WIZNITZER BY MR. THOMAS POWERS – ATTORNEY

FOR PLAINTIFFS (PETITIONERS)

This cross-examination revolved again over the question of whether

's pediatrician had picked up any signs of delayed

development before her MMR shot. No concerns had been documented in

her records.

Dr. Wiznitzer was also cross-examined on whether he was an

immunologist and able to determine signs of a compromised immune

system. He has to rely on the opinion of others. There was also

some questioning of his previous participation in vaccine cases on

the side of the pharmaceutical companies and how much he received for

that work.

FINAL THOUGHTS ON THE DAY'S TESTIMONY

We see what we believe is there to be seen.

It's said that when Indians in the New World glimpsed the first

European sailing ships they could not imagine they were the creations

of men. Years later when experts in a courtroom view videos of a

child they think they see the early signs of autism, and therefore

the MMR shots couldn't have had anything to do with it. But what

about the thimerosal the child received on the very first day of line

from their Hepatitis B shot? Could that have started the autistic

cascade which finally became an avalanche after the MMR shot? The

pediatrician who oversaw 's care didn't notice any problems

before the MMR shot. Was he right or wrong?

I thought I'd wait until the end of this trial to talk about what I

believe and how I see the world, but I think this is a good time to

share that information.

My daughter went off breast-milk shortly before

Thanksgiving of 1998 and went on a cow's milk based formula. She was

six months old and a happy and contented child. In early December

she got her six-month vaccinations and within a few weeks she seemed

different. She started having head-bobs, which were later diagnosed

as infantile seizures. We followed the standard medical practices of

medication which controlled her seizures, but her development lagged

far behind. When she was three years old she was diagnosed as being

severely autistic.

Our son Ben was born in 2000 and because we had figured out our

daughter had a milk allergy, he was kept on a hypo-allergenic milk-

free formula until approximately 15 months. We called him Busy Ben

because he was so active. The idea that a vaccination might be the

reason for our daughter's problems had never entered our minds until

Ben had his 18 month vaccination.

Within a few days Ben went mute. He started pounding his head on the

floor. When I took him to the playground near our apartment he'd

stop every five minutes or so and mutely point to the distant

horizon. If I squinted I could see the tiny image of a passenger

plane taking off from the Oakland Airport. An audiologist later

explained to me that the first noise of a jet aircraft which reaches

us is at a range that humans can't hear. Ben could hear them.

By chance I picked up the book Solving the Mystery of Autism and PDD

by Karyn Serousi which advocated a wheat and milk free diet for these

kids. Ben went on that diet within five days after he went mute.

I don't remember the first word my son spoke, but I will never forget

the moment he started his road back to us. He had been mute for

twelve days and my wife and I had taken him to a local shopping

mall. There was a small fountain in front of the Nordstrom's

department store. Water gushed out of the mouth of a stone lion and

into the pool. Ben became fascinated with the stream of water and

and I waited for him.

He peered into that pool for what seemed like hours, then

said, " Bubbles! " He said it again and again, as if he had finally

remembered the words to his favorite song. My wife has been a speech

therapist for the past eighteen-years and is thus a highly trained

observer. She claims it took Ben about a year to catch up to his

peers in language, and about two years for all of his sensory

problems to resolve so he could do something as simple as sit in a

movie theater without needing to run to the nearest exit.

Ben just finished first grade, is in the top of his class both

academically and socially, and has made more outs this season on his

tee-ball team than any other player. In addition, he's halfway to

getting his black belt in Tae-Kwon-Do.

still has seizures and is in a home program. However,

we've done extensive bio-medical treatments for her and they've

brought her farther than we ever imagined. Her eye-contact is great,

she tries to speak appropriately although it's very unintelligible,

and she gives me more smiles in a day than any dad has the right to

expect from a child.

I have one kid back, and I'm trying like hell to get the other one.

That's how I see the world.

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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

[Guest guest]

I stopped giving my kids Vacinations-after my first born was

Diagnosed,

Than my second born son was diagnosed autistic and has since lost his

diag.

he still has add, but I would give all the money in vaccine fund to

have my number 1 son back.

vin

> > > > Kent Heckenlively, Esq.--- writes:

> > > >

> > > > " Years later when experts in a courtroom view

> > > videos of a

> > > > child they think they see the early signs of

> > > autism, and therefore

> > > > the MMR shots couldn't have had anything to do

> > > with it. But what

> > > > about the thimerosal the child received on the

> > > very first day of

> > > line

> > > > from their Hepatitis B shot? Could that have

> > > started the autistic

> > > > cascade which finally became an avalanche after

> > > the MMR shot? The

> > > > pediatrician who oversaw 's care didn't

> > > notice any

> > > problems

> > > > before the MMR shot. Was he right or wrong? "

> > > >

> > >

> > -----------------------------------------------------------------

> > >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------

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> > > ----

> > > >

> > > > " The pediatrician who oversaw 's care

> > > didn't notice any

> > > problems before the MMR shot. Was he right or

> > > wrong? "

> > > >

> > > > That is the BILLION DOLLAR QUESTION!

> > > >

> > > > Is it possible for Micelle's parents to call the

> > > pediatrician

> > > who administered the MMR to her as a " rebuttal "

> > > witness to

> > > these " experts " ? I believe the pediatrician should

> > > be given the

> > > opportunity to defend his professional reputation

> > > against " hind-

> > > sight " allegations by " experts " that he failed to

> > > note any autistic

> > > behaviors prior to administering the MMR to her?

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps the Special Masters would find it useful

> > > to learn why

> > > the pediatrician failed to record the same

> > > observations of

> > > as the " experts " have done from watching videos?

> > > After all, he was

> > > the one who administered the MMR in the first place.

> > > >

> > > > I do hope SOMEONE on 's team requires

> > > opposing " experts "

> > > to explain the " skull and crossbones " affixed to the

> > > label of

> > > thimerosal. That " skull and crossbones " should be

> > > shown

> > > every " expert " and have them give a scientific

> > > explanation for what

> > > it signifies in their own field of " expertise " .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > See what's free at AOL.com.

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