Re: Unsupportive Father/Now: Circumsision OT

[Guest guest]

Wow, yes, you are passionate, and the cleanliness thing was an article I've read

on the subject that men who are circumsized have less of a chance of contracting

AIDS and they associated it with cleanliness.

No, my son was given a small amount of Lidocaine before being cut and he was

fine and I had to put some Neosporin on his diaper for about a week, but that

was it.

Hmmmmm, he's my last child, but I may look into this further. I do know my

husband wanted it pretty bad, probably peer pressure, thoughts of showering

after football and all that...........

Thanks for the reply!

in Colorado

Unsupportive Father/Now: Circumsision OT

" What is it about circumsizion (sp)? I let me son be curcumsized, as my husband

is and it's easier to keep cleaner that way. Not debating, but asking, as I was

unaware it was a problem??

thanks "

Ok, I'm NOT going to get into the whole " baby doesn't get a say in the consent

of a part of his body being amputated " thing. I won't even get into the " you

obviousely haven't looked into this subject for your boy " thing.

HOW is it easier to keep clean? You really don't know that. Do you have an

uncirced son to compare with? Do you know of any uncirced boys that have

problems with cleanliness? Have you even asked anyone with an uncirced boy? I am

assuming you haven't, as you probably wouldn't be asking this question. Please

don't take this to be harsh, I'm just being real. I do hope you look further

into the circumsision subject, as it looks like you are, by asking your

question. I hope you find out much, much more on the subject, and I also pray

that when you do find more out, that you don't feel too guilty about doing it,

because usually, once you find out everything, you will find it is absolutely

unecessary, and barbaric. I know this is going to come across harsh, please

don't take it that way, it's MY demeaner and personality, I'm passionate, please

forgive me.

I have two uncirced boys, I've NEVER had to do anything special to their penis.

However, with a circed boy, there are MANY things you need to do after the

foreskin is torn and then cut off the penis. There is a risk of even death from

infection after that procedure. Don't you have to clean it daily and watch

carefully for quite awhile to make sure it's not infecting? Not to mention the

screams and crying from the pain involved. I know some babies dont' have it that

bad, I have heard of many stories where they have had it very bad. I have never

had to " watch " their penis or hope it doesn't infect, or do anything at all to

" keep it clean " . It was designed to keep itself clean.

Maybe a bit OT, but quite an important subject. I personally view circumsision

just the same as vaccinating.

~Cassie Sala~

Mama to Canyon 3, River 1, homebirthed, never vaxxed, foreskin in tact, very

healthy boys!

Birthmom to Sam 7 (circumsized, vaxxed, and sick a lot)

" Peace on Earth begins at birth! "

[Guest guest]

Here is a great web site on this subject -

www.cirp.org

On 6/6/07, Clemons <clemonsmary@...> wrote:

>

> Wow, yes, you are passionate, and the cleanliness thing was an article

> I've read on the subject that men who are circumsized have less of a chance

> of contracting AIDS and they associated it with cleanliness.

>

> No, my son was given a small amount of Lidocaine before being cut and he

> was fine and I had to put some Neosporin on his diaper for about a week, but

> that was it.

>

> Hmmmmm, he's my last child, but I may look into this further. I do know my

> husband wanted it pretty bad, probably peer pressure, thoughts of showering

> after football and all that...........

>

> Thanks for the reply!

> in Colorado

>

> Unsupportive Father/Now: Circumsision OT

>

> " What is it about circumsizion (sp)? I let me son be curcumsized, as my

> husband is and it's easier to keep cleaner that way. Not debating, but

> asking, as I was unaware it was a problem??

>

> thanks "

>

> Ok, I'm NOT going to get into the whole " baby doesn't get a say in the

> consent of a part of his body being amputated " thing. I won't even get into

> the " you obviousely haven't looked into this subject for your boy " thing.

> HOW is it easier to keep clean? You really don't know that. Do you have an

> uncirced son to compare with? Do you know of any uncirced boys that have

> problems with cleanliness? Have you even asked anyone with an uncirced boy?

> I am assuming you haven't, as you probably wouldn't be asking this question.

> Please don't take this to be harsh, I'm just being real. I do hope you look

> further into the circumsision subject, as it looks like you are, by asking

> your question. I hope you find out much, much more on the subject, and I

> also pray that when you do find more out, that you don't feel too guilty

> about doing it, because usually, once you find out everything, you will find

> it is absolutely unecessary, and barbaric. I know this is going to come

> across harsh, please don't take it that way, it's MY demeaner and

> personality, I'm passionate, please forgive me.

>

> I have two uncirced boys, I've NEVER had to do anything special to their

> penis. However, with a circed boy, there are MANY things you need to do

> after the foreskin is torn and then cut off the penis. There is a risk of

> even death from infection after that procedure. Don't you have to clean it

> daily and watch carefully for quite awhile to make sure it's not infecting?

> Not to mention the screams and crying from the pain involved. I know some

> babies dont' have it that bad, I have heard of many stories where they have

> had it very bad. I have never had to " watch " their penis or hope it doesn't

> infect, or do anything at all to " keep it clean " . It was designed to keep

> itself clean.

>

> Maybe a bit OT, but quite an important subject. I personally view

> circumsision just the same as vaccinating.

>

> ~Cassie Sala~

> Mama to Canyon 3, River 1, homebirthed, never vaxxed, foreskin in tact,

> very healthy boys!

> Birthmom to Sam 7 (circumsized, vaxxed, and sick a lot)

> " Peace on Earth begins at birth! "

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> " What is it about circumsizion (sp)? I let me son be curcumsized, as

my husband is and it's easier to keep cleaner that way. Not debating,

but asking, as I was unaware it was a problem??

>

> thanks "

There is a lot of good information at this website:

http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/

Even if you've already done it, you can increase your understanding

and help spread the word. Thanks for asking!

K.

[Guest guest]

My son is 5 and there are absolutely no issues with his intact genitals.Ofcourse

even if there were I would never dream of cutting parts off that caused

problems.My dd has had more issues with irritation,but no one ever suggested

circumcision.Had it been my son I can hear it now.Best part is he will get to

experience what normal sexual experiences are like.

Look into the issue and you will see there is no reason to be doing it to

either sex.Perhaps future children will be spared,or even your son might grow up

wanting his male children to remain normal.

My dh went through child circumcision for religious/social reasons.I have

found no validity in any of the three(social,religious,medical).

Sara

l0v2run <crkuni@...> wrote:

>

> " What is it about circumsizion (sp)? I let me son be curcumsized, as

my husband is and it's easier to keep cleaner that way. Not debating,

but asking, as I was unaware it was a problem??

>

> thanks "

There is a lot of good information at this website:

http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/

Even if you've already done it, you can increase your understanding

and help spread the word. Thanks for asking!

K.

[Guest guest]

Oh, , thank you so much for taking my reply so well. I have been a part

of many pertaining to parenting, natural parenting and such for

many years now. I know how a certain post can be mis-represented, taken badly,

and such, because it's very hard sometimes to get the right feel of a persons

intentions, when your only reading their words.

Being so aware of this, I have to tell you that ever since I sent that awful

post, I just KNEW I was wrong. I felt wrong after sending it, and I actually

regret it. I just had this strong feeling that the way I replied just didn't

apply to you. I hope you can accept my apology, I should have known better, to

sit on that one a bit longer before hitting that send button. Had I done that,

it would have never been written that way, and I would have changed it to be

more factual, and less passionate. You didn't deserve THAT much poopy post!

With love,

Cassie Sala in Idaho

" Peace on Earth begins at birth! "

[Guest guest]

How sweet are you!! I love that in a person. Writing too quickly and sending

messages way too soon has happened to me as well and I can appreciate the

regret, and I so appreciate your apology (not needed, but appreciated all the

same).

We are the future, and the future talks to each other. I just wish we could

reach more people who thought as we do. It seems like every time someone

" discovers " something they forget there were a lot of people that came before

them that discovered it too (usually).

I feel like we're in some sort of underground revolution and we have to at least

care for each other, otherwise, what good are we doing.

Thank you for the note ---

Re: Unsupportive Father/Now: Circumsision OT

Oh, , thank you so much for taking my reply so well. I have been a part

of many pertaining to parenting, natural parenting and such for

many years now. I know how a certain post can be mis-represented, taken badly,

and such, because it's very hard sometimes to get the right feel of a persons

intentions, when your only reading their words.

Being so aware of this, I have to tell you that ever since I sent that awful

post, I just KNEW I was wrong. I felt wrong after sending it, and I actually

regret it. I just had this strong feeling that the way I replied just didn't

apply to you. I hope you can accept my apology, I should have known better, to

sit on that one a bit longer before hitting that send button. Had I done that,

it would have never been written that way, and I would have changed it to be

more factual, and less passionate. You didn't deserve THAT much poopy post!

With love,

Cassie Sala in Idaho

" Peace on Earth begins at birth! "

[Guest guest]

,

>>We are the future, and the future talks to each other<<

I loved this sentence. can i send it further, just the sentence. It has such a

message of hope...

Re: Unsupportive Father/Now: Circumsision OT

Oh, , thank you so much for taking my reply so well. I have been a

part of many pertaining to parenting, natural parenting and such

for many years now. I know how a certain post can be mis-represented, taken

badly, and such, because it's very hard sometimes to get the right feel of a

persons intentions, when your only reading their words.

Being so aware of this, I have to tell you that ever since I sent that awful

post, I just KNEW I was wrong. I felt wrong after sending it, and I actually

regret it. I just had this strong feeling that the way I replied just didn't

apply to you. I hope you can accept my apology, I should have known better, to

sit on that one a bit longer before hitting that send button. Had I done that,

it would have never been written that way, and I would have changed it to be

more factual, and less passionate. You didn't deserve THAT much poopy post!

With love,

Cassie Sala in Idaho

" Peace on Earth begins at birth! "

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Yes, but please put my name after it, like a quote -- Clemons. I kinda

made that my tag line for writing and didn't even realize I'd put it out there

into cyberspace!

Thanks btw --

Re: Unsupportive Father/Now: Circumsision OT

Oh, , thank you so much for taking my reply so well. I have been a part

of many pertaining to parenting, natural parenting and such for

many years now. I know how a certain post can be mis-represented, taken badly,

and such, because it's very hard sometimes to get the right feel of a persons

intentions, when your only reading their words.

Being so aware of this, I have to tell you that ever since I sent that awful

post, I just KNEW I was wrong. I felt wrong after sending it, and I actually

regret it. I just had this strong feeling that the way I replied just didn't

apply to you. I hope you can accept my apology, I should have known better, to

sit on that one a bit longer before hitting that send button. Had I done that,

it would have never been written that way, and I would have changed it to be

more factual, and less passionate. You didn't deserve THAT much poopy post!

With love,

Cassie Sala in Idaho

" Peace on Earth begins at birth! "