Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Hi Pamela, I would look at your sons' overall health to determine if they would get a disease or illness. If they're immune system seems low and they are sick a lot, it only makes sense not to vax. If they are healthy, they may or may not get an illness and be able to fight it off just fine on their own. Vaccinations only weaken the immune system anyway-nothing else! You came to the right place. There are lots of people here with so much info. about vaccines. Welcome! Jenn L Vaccine questions Im new to the group and have not completely made my descision on vaccines. I AM VERY wary of them, and havent gotten any for my daughter since she was dx with infantile spasms at 3 months. We have since had a baby boy who is fine, and we've only gotten a few vaccines for him. However each time we've vaxxed him i get nervous, watch him like a hawk and vow never to do it again. Like my gut knows its wrong. We are WAAAAAY behind on the " proper vax schedule " for him. I dont think i want to do anymore at all...im just wondering how this works. I just make my descision and that is that?? I know theres alot of controversy surrounding not vaxing our kids, im just nervous. i brought the issue up to mybest friend who is also a nurse and she hit the roof...wondering how i could " put my children and hers at risk like that? " I was offended. And im confused. What about polio, flu etc...what are the chances that my kids will come down with this if i dont vax them anymore?? Thanks so much. Conerned mom, Pamela Valentine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Im new to the group and have not completely made my descision on vaccines. I AM VERY wary of them, and havent gotten any for my daughter since she was dx with infantile spasms at 3 months. We have since had a baby boy who is fine, and we've only gotten a few vaccines for him. However each time we've vaxxed him i get nervous, watch him like a hawk and vow never to do it again. Like my gut knows its wrong. We are WAAAAAY behind on the " proper vax schedule " for him. I dont think i want to do anymore at all...im just wondering how this works. I just make my descision and that is that?? I know theres alot of controversy surrounding not vaxing our kids, im just nervous. i brought the issue up to mybest friend who is also a nurse and she hit the roof...wondering how i could " put my children and hers at risk like that? " I was offended. And im confused. What about polio, flu etc...what are the chances that my kids will come down with this if i dont vax them anymore?? Thanks so much. Conerned mom, Pamela Valentine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Welcome, Pam. I am a former pediatric/obstetric RN. I stopped vaxing my 2 children about 6 years ago. If I had to do it over again, I wouldn't have had them vaxed at all. Listen to your gut... and do your research. The proof is there that vaccines are harmful. You'll find great support here for your questions and concerns. Kay Vaccine questions > Im new to the group and have not completely made my descision on > vaccines. > I AM VERY wary of them, and havent gotten any for my daughter since she > was dx with infantile spasms at 3 months. We have since had a baby boy > who is fine, and we've only gotten a few vaccines for him. > However each time we've vaxxed him i get nervous, watch him like a hawk > and vow never to do it again. Like my gut knows its wrong. > We are WAAAAAY behind on the " proper vax schedule " for him. I dont > think i want to do anymore at all...im just wondering how this works. > I just make my descision and that is that?? > I know theres alot of controversy surrounding not vaxing our kids, im > just nervous. > i brought the issue up to mybest friend who is also a nurse and she hit > the roof...wondering how i could " put my children and hers at risk like > that? " > I was offended. And im confused. > What about polio, flu etc...what are the chances that my kids will come > down with this if i dont vax them anymore?? > Thanks so much. > Conerned mom, > Pamela Valentine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 This is truely a personal decision. Do your research online, in books, etc. My kids are not vaccinated, and if you think about it, people are soooooo worried that THEIR kids are going to get these diseases from unvaccinated kids, but... If the vaccinations are supposed to do their job, WHY are they SOOOO worried!?!?!? Right?! If the vaccinations work like the doctors say they do, they should have nothing to be concerned about! lol And, yes. That's it. you decide not to do them anymore, and that's it. It might be best to talk to a chiropractor regarding a doctor that doesn't push them. LUCKILY, we have had no issues with them being pushed on us, but when my daughter was a baby, They were trying to FORCE me to get them for her, and the doctor told me that If I wouldn't get them, that he wouldn't treat her anymore. We found a new doctor needless to say! When they start school, there is a form you'll need to fill out. Every state is different. In MN where I used to live, you had to sign and notarize the paper for conscienciously held beliefs. In WI, we just sign it, and it's good. No notarizing needed. Your kids can get into daycare, school, and college without any problems. If they go into the military..... they might need them then. Or to travel oversees. For me, they can make that decision when they grow up. I won't submit them to that when they're little. My daughter is SOOOOO healthy- we get the flu, colds, etc. and she does not. The only thing she gets is strep throat. That's it! She's 15 now. She is THE HEALTHIEST child I know, and I'm proud of that!!! Not vaccinating is NOT something I bring up with ANYONE who does vaccinate. I'm not out here trying to share what I know. IF they ask, then I tell. Otherwise, it's not something that will get anyone to change their mind, nor are you going to change yours, so.... why try?? it will only end in a fight/argument. The only people that know that we don't vaccinate are my parents, brothers, my inlaws, and my hubby's brothers, They respect it, but don't agree. I've given them info to read, and they did. AT least they know where we're coming from. A couple of my friends know, but only because it's come up and they asked. They're both very respectful of our decision, and no argument happened. one of my other friends actually knew that my daughter was not vaccinated, and we had discussed it before, and when she had her 2nd son, she asked me for the name of our pediatrician after seeing how sick her son was, and how healthly my daughter was. Like I said. Do you research. YOU Need to make the decision, and IF something should ever happen, YOU need to know, deep down inside that you DID do the right thing!! Tara > > Welcome, Pam. I am a former pediatric/obstetric RN. I stopped vaxing my 2 > children about 6 years ago. If I had to do it over again, I wouldn't have > had them vaxed at all. > > Listen to your gut... and do your research. The proof is there that > vaccines are harmful. > > You'll find great support here for your questions and concerns. > > Kay > > Vaccine questions > > > > Im new to the group and have not completely made my descision on > > vaccines. > > I AM VERY wary of them, and havent gotten any for my daughter since she > > was dx with infantile spasms at 3 months. We have since had a baby boy > > who is fine, and we've only gotten a few vaccines for him. > > However each time we've vaxxed him i get nervous, watch him like a hawk > > and vow never to do it again. Like my gut knows its wrong. > > We are WAAAAAY behind on the " proper vax schedule " for him. I dont > > think i want to do anymore at all...im just wondering how this works. > > I just make my descision and that is that?? > > I know theres alot of controversy surrounding not vaxing our kids, im > > just nervous. > > i brought the issue up to mybest friend who is also a nurse and she hit > > the roof...wondering how i could " put my children and hers at risk like > > that? " > > I was offended. And im confused. > > What about polio, flu etc...what are the chances that my kids will come > > down with this if i dont vax them anymore?? > > Thanks so much. > > Conerned mom, > > Pamela Valentine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Pamela, We have only gotten one vaccine for our son, the Hib vax. We may vax later, but not until after age 2, and we will not get all of the vaxes. When/if we do, we will get one at a time. These are the sites that I feel are the best resources: - National Vaccine Information Center: http://www.909shot.com/Default.htm - A User-Friendly Vaccination Schedule: http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller15.html - Glossary of Vaccines: http://www.informedchoice.info/index.php (click Cocktail to see the ingredients) - Mothering Dot Commune, Vaccination Forums: http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=47 What are the chances that your children will come down with the diseases for which there are vaccinations? I only know enough to talk about these two: - Hepatitis B - only if they become IV drug users or have sex with someone who is infected (yes, Hep B can be spread through other means, but most cases are not) - Polio - there have been no natural cases of polio in the US since 1979. There is discussion of phasing out the vaccine by 2010. The oral polio vaccine itself caused at least 51 cases of polio in the mid-1980s On the other hand, even vaccinated people get pertussis (aka whooping cough). The chicken pox (varicella) vax is only about 40% effective, and cases of shingles in children have greatly increased since it was introduced. Also, the immunity wears off just when you need it the most. The flu vax is always a best guess, and that's it. There are many different viewpoints, and I have really just scratched the surface of research. It's important to note that these are YOUR kids, and you should feel comfortable with the decision that YOU make. Don't let anyone scare you into a decision, one way or the other. -Robyn Pamela Valentine wrote: > Im new to the group and have not completely made my descision on > vaccines. > I AM VERY wary of them, and havent gotten any for my daughter since she > was dx with infantile spasms at 3 months. We have since had a baby boy > who is fine, and we've only gotten a few vaccines for him. > However each time we've vaxxed him i get nervous, watch him like a hawk > and vow never to do it again. Like my gut knows its wrong. > We are WAAAAAY behind on the " proper vax schedule " for him. I dont > think i want to do anymore at all...im just wondering how this works. > I just make my descision and that is that?? > I know theres alot of controversy surrounding not vaxing our kids, im > just nervous. > i brought the issue up to mybest friend who is also a nurse and she hit > the roof...wondering how i could " put my children and hers at risk like > that? " > I was offended. And im confused. > What about polio, flu etc...what are the chances that my kids will come > down with this if i dont vax them anymore?? > Thanks so much. > Conerned mom, > Pamela Valentine > > -- Robyn Robyn and Jack You know you're from the Bay Area when: You could sell your home and live like a king in 99% of the rest of the world, but don't because it would be difficult to move back. robyn@... <mailto:%20robyn@...> http://www.rmcsquared.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Hi all, Those of us who have been researching this for a long time have come to the conclusion that 1. Vaccines do not give immunity 2. Vaccines inject toxic material into the body 3. There is no safe way to delay or selectively vaccinate 4. Once you learn about hte diseases that have vaccines associated with them you will lose your fear of most of them or understand that they are not what you have been told you are. 5. And when you understand a vaccine doesn't give immunity, just injects a chronic case of illness, then you will know that vaccines are never the answer. Start with my webpages http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm and especially look at polio and the lies about that one Sheri listowner At 09:05 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Pamela, > >We have only gotten one vaccine for our son, the Hib vax. We may vax >later, but not until after age 2, and we will not get all of the vaxes. >When/if we do, we will get one at a time. These are the sites that I >feel are the best resources: >- National Vaccine Information Center: http://www.909shot.com/Default.htm >- A User-Friendly Vaccination Schedule: >http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller15.html >- Glossary of Vaccines: http://www.informedchoice.info/index.php (click >Cocktail to see the ingredients) >- Mothering Dot Commune, Vaccination Forums: >http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=47 > >What are the chances that your children will come down with the diseases >for which there are vaccinations? I only know enough to talk about these >two: >- Hepatitis B - only if they become IV drug users or have sex with >someone who is infected (yes, Hep B can be spread through other means, >but most cases are not) >- Polio - there have been no natural cases of polio in the US since >1979. There is discussion of phasing out the vaccine by 2010. The oral >polio vaccine itself caused at least 51 cases of polio in the mid-1980s > >On the other hand, even vaccinated people get pertussis (aka whooping >cough). The chicken pox (varicella) vax is only about 40% effective, and >cases of shingles in children have greatly increased since it was >introduced. Also, the immunity wears off just when you need it the most. >The flu vax is always a best guess, and that's it. > >There are many different viewpoints, and I have really just scratched >the surface of research. It's important to note that these are YOUR >kids, and you should feel comfortable with the decision that YOU make. >Don't let anyone scare you into a decision, one way or the other. > >-Robyn > >Pamela Valentine wrote: > >> Im new to the group and have not completely made my descision on >> vaccines. >> I AM VERY wary of them, and havent gotten any for my daughter since she >> was dx with infantile spasms at 3 months. We have since had a baby boy >> who is fine, and we've only gotten a few vaccines for him. >> However each time we've vaxxed him i get nervous, watch him like a hawk >> and vow never to do it again. Like my gut knows its wrong. >> We are WAAAAAY behind on the " proper vax schedule " for him. I dont >> think i want to do anymore at all...im just wondering how this works. >> I just make my descision and that is that?? >> I know theres alot of controversy surrounding not vaxing our kids, im >> just nervous. >> i brought the issue up to mybest friend who is also a nurse and she hit >> the roof...wondering how i could " put my children and hers at risk like >> that? " >> I was offended. And im confused. >> What about polio, flu etc...what are the chances that my kids will come >> down with this if i dont vax them anymore?? >> Thanks so much. >> Conerned mom, >> Pamela Valentine >> >> > > >-- >Robyn Robyn and Jack > >You know you're from the Bay Area when: You could sell your home and >live like a king in 99% of the rest of the world, but don't because it >would be difficult to move back. > >robyn@... <mailto:%20robyn@...> >http://www.rmcsquared.net/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Hey, I've been doing some more research on vaccines etc... there is SO MUCH info out there..and cause I figure you're a bit farther along then I am....you could help me out. I can't find an alternative vaccine schedule. I have seen some. Some just do what they consider the biggies, like polio.. however, I am of the opinion that NO vaccine is safe therefore you don't need an " alternative " b/c that is not going to be safe either also, what are the vaccines that are " necessary " as opposed to the ones that are offered, but NOT NEEDED. Since vaccines don't offer true immunity, none are needed. None are " necessary " either. can't believe they give newborns the HEP B vaccine!! Incredible but true. Very sad too. they even give vaccines to preemies. The lie is very deep that they help. also, should I contact my ped's office to make sure the dr. is okay w/ delaying vaccinations? I would not bring it up unless directly queried. I would find alternatives to the ped's office. Start with getting some sort of " dr mom " book b/c most childhood things are colds. Learn to trust yourself, trust your instincts and learn how to handle minor things at home. I very rarely have my kids to the doctor. I ditched the " well baby checks " long ago. If I want to know their height/weight, I can do that at home w/o exposing them to unneeded germs. I just don't want any confrontations/arguments about it. There does not have to be an argument. You leave it cut and dried and very matter of fact. " I'm researching this decision more and until I am comfortable, I will be delaying all vaccinations " be sure to use " vaccination " rather than " immunization " . That engenders the belief that vaccines do provide immunity. That is a lie. This is your child. Not theirs and I can tell you, if you bow to peer pressure or intimidation, they will not be there to support you if things go wrong. do you know how I can find how the vaccination schedule has CHANGED since 2000/2001 until now??? No info on this. I stopped vaccinating completely in 2001. highly recommend Sheri's site and 909shot and thinktwice for more info. Lydall's book " raising a vaccine free child " and Miranda Castro's book on homeopathy and Sheri's beginning course. When given a no, a yes must be provided. You can't tell a parent " don't vax " and not provide something to help combat the fear of the disease. That is what sells vaccines. FEAR. Not medicine. Not science. When you don't fear the diseases, you won't buy the vaccines. Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 13, 11, 9, 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac, 2/3/08 http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not necessarily current pictures http://nitasspot.blogspot.com Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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