Re: alpha lipoic acid (fwd)

[Guest guest]

How much more bioavailable is the R than the S because the cost is

much much more per mg. Also, why would it matter if the R-ISOMER was

reduced 28 times more quickly if you are constantly taking ALA. Do

you use the R when you get a MCS or mold hit to make it stop or

something? Just questions, I'm sure it works better but is paying 5x

more per mg for the R better than using 5x more of regular ALA?

>

> For those taking ALA, there is a difference between the r & l

isomers of

> it. Here is the information so you get the one that will be most

> beneifical. As most have iomers an d one of the 2 is more

efficacious.

>

> Cheaper most likely will be the ineffective one. Caveat emptor

>

>

> The R-isomer of alpha-lipoic acid is the form synthesized naturally

> and is the only form that functions as a cofactor for mitochondrial

> enzymes; it is currently commercially available. Previously,

> supplemental ALA was exclusively available as a 50/50 racemic

mixture

> of the two optical isomers, R-alpha-lipoic acid and S-alpha-lipoic

> acid, as rendered by conventional chemical synthesis. R-alpha-lipoic

> acid has greater bioavailability than S-alpha-lipoic acid when

> administered orally and is reduced within the mitochondria to DHLA

28

> times more rapidly, hypothetically providing significantly greater

> antioxidant activity.

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[Guest guest]

I don't recall the source I used, but I did find the brand Doctor's Best of

r-Lipoic Acid at a very good price and not much higher than the discount " a "

stuff.I didn't find any benefit from taking either kind, and the excess stomach

acidity was completely unacceptable. No Hefty Award for this one, but it didn't

kill me, either.

The reason for " R " over " A " isn't price or bioavailability. It's in the research

itself. Some primary researchers actually found " A " to be downright dangerous or

harmful. None of the original researchers thought either form lipoic acid should

be taken at all, based their own scant results, and issued cautions against such

use. (Big Nutra is just as profit driven as Big Pharma. They shouldn't get a

pass, either!) I have found nothing anywhere that suggests lipoic acid in any

form performs any kind of service to people who are poisoned by mold or anything

else. Anyway, you can google it all up and see what you think.

Serena

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[Guest guest]

It's ironic that the sick doctor, sick wife, sick staff, stuck in a

sick building were pushing alpha lipoic acid, amino acid testing and

supplementation, homeopathy and and endless array of vitamins,

supplements and essential oils (all available here for you

convenience at a " slight " markup)....

...and none of this was pulling their own butts out of the fire!

I was there to try to " educate " this doctor, and while I was

waiting, his receptionist literally walked up to me, held her hand

to her temple in the classic " mold salute " and said " I'm so TIRED.

I just don't know why " .

I thought it was a telling moment when a person representing the

medical office would make such a revealing statement to someone she

only perceived as a patient. Of course I knew exactly why she was so

tired. Could she sense this? In the times that I was there, I

never saw the staff make any other similar statements with others.

But at that time, mold toxicity was so universally disbelieved that

my experienced paled against their confidence in the medical

establishments wisdom and ability have such knowledge if it existed

to be known, and their emphasis and reliance on profitable

palliative pills perpetually persists instead of just checking to

see if perhaps, factors of mold exposure really DOES take precedence

over pill popping.

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[Guest guest]

Well before I ever got messed up with mold, I was a workout fanatic

at one time, so I did a lot of research and ALA definitely does good

if you take it right. You need to eat first though. I have never had

as much energy, ever as when I'd eat sweet potatoes and then take the

ALA. Sweet Potatoes are an amazing energy source on their own.

Throw 600 mgs of ALA on top and it's even better. I realize some of

you are on a diet where you might not be able to eat sweet potatoes,

but they don't seem to bother me.

> I don't recall the source I used, but I did find the brand Doctor's

Best of r-Lipoic Acid at a very good price and not much higher than

the discount " a " stuff.I didn't find any benefit from taking either

kind, and the excess stomach acidity was completely unacceptable. No

Hefty Award for this one, but it didn't kill me, either.

>

> The reason for " R " over " A " isn't price or bioavailability. It's in

the research itself. Some primary researchers actually found " A " to

be downright dangerous or harmful. None of the original researchers

thought either form lipoic acid should be taken at all, based their

own scant results, and issued cautions against such use. (Big Nutra

is just as profit driven as Big Pharma. They shouldn't get a pass,

either!) I have found nothing anywhere that suggests lipoic acid in

any form performs any kind of service to people who are poisoned by

mold or anything else. Anyway, you can google it all up and see what

you think.

>

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[Guest guest]

Dude, I agree avoidance is key but I thought that was just a given.

Once you are away from the mold though, at least for me with a broke

immune syayem, shouldn't you try to clear the toxins out and fix your

immune system?

-- In , " erikmoldwarrior "

<erikmoldwarrior@e...> wrote:

> It's ironic that the sick doctor, sick wife, sick staff, stuck in

a

> sick building were pushing alpha lipoic acid, amino acid testing

and

> supplementation, homeopathy and and endless array of vitamins,

> supplements and essential oils (all available here for you

> convenience at a " slight " markup)....

> ...and none of this was pulling their own butts out of the fire!

>

> I was there to try to " educate " this doctor, and while I was

> waiting, his receptionist literally walked up to me, held her hand

> to her temple in the classic " mold salute " and said " I'm so TIRED.

> I just don't know why " .

> I thought it was a telling moment when a person representing the

> medical office would make such a revealing statement to someone she

> only perceived as a patient. Of course I knew exactly why she was

so

> tired. Could she sense this? In the times that I was there, I

> never saw the staff make any other similar statements with others.

> But at that time, mold toxicity was so universally disbelieved that

> my experienced paled against their confidence in the medical

> establishments wisdom and ability have such knowledge if it existed

> to be known, and their emphasis and reliance on profitable

> palliative pills perpetually persists instead of just checking to

> see if perhaps, factors of mold exposure really DOES take

precedence

> over pill popping.

>

> -

[Guest guest]

I have used Alpha Lipoic Acid in my recovery, as well as dozens of

other suppliments and herbs.

I do think that ALA was somewhat helpful, along with Milk Thistle and

Olive Leaf. However, NONE of this had anywhere near the effect of two

things that I ended up employing for my symptoms -- Radical Avoidance,

and Cholestyramine. ALA may help detoxification, but probably at

nowhere near the efficiency of CSM. Different genotypes may react

differently as well, or not at all.

This is only my subjective opinion, but I know what I experienced, and

it was so dramatic that there was no mistaking what was effective.

Lee

> > It's ironic that the sick doctor, sick wife, sick staff, stuck in

> a

> > sick building were pushing alpha lipoic acid, amino acid testing

> and

> > supplementation, homeopathy and and endless array of vitamins,

> > supplements and essential oils (all available here for you

> > convenience at a " slight " markup)....

> > ...and none of this was pulling their own butts out of the fire!

> >

> > I was there to try to " educate " this doctor, and while I was

> > waiting, his receptionist literally walked up to me, held her hand

> > to her temple in the classic " mold salute " and said " I'm so TIRED.

> > I just don't know why " .

> > I thought it was a telling moment when a person representing the

> > medical office would make such a revealing statement to someone she

> > only perceived as a patient. Of course I knew exactly why she was

> so

> > tired. Could she sense this? In the times that I was there, I

> > never saw the staff make any other similar statements with others.

> > But at that time, mold toxicity was so universally disbelieved that

> > my experienced paled against their confidence in the medical

> > establishments wisdom and ability have such knowledge if it existed

> > to be known, and their emphasis and reliance on profitable

> > palliative pills perpetually persists instead of just checking to

> > see if perhaps, factors of mold exposure really DOES take

> precedence

> > over pill popping.

> >

> > -

[Guest guest]

Angel,

I have a Jarrow brand of ALA and it doesn't say. It says contains

two thiol groups, then says:

" A thiol (or SH) consists of a sulfur and a hydrogen atom. " That's

all it says. It doesn't say anything about 'isomers'. I picked up

ALA as my MD/alternative doctor told me to take it for high lead in

my blood. Did I pick up the right stuff do you think?

Thanks, Barb

--- In , Angel MCS <jap2bemc@s...>

wrote:

>

> For those taking ALA, there is a difference between the r & l

isomers of

> it. Here is the information so you get the one that will be most

> beneifical. As most have iomers an d one of the 2 is more

efficacious.

>

> Cheaper most likely will be the ineffective one. Caveat emptor

[Guest guest]

" pizzahutoxic " wrote:

> Dude, I agree avoidance is key but I thought that was just a given.

Once you are away from the mold though, at least for me with a broke

immune syayem, shouldn't you try to clear the toxins out and fix your

immune system?

>

Of course. That's what I said. Prioritize and put your economic

resources toward the therapy most likely to result in benefit.

But I do have to say how amazing it is to hear someone say that

avoidance is " just a given " .

After twenty years of being called obsessive, liar, delusional and had

the avoidance concept denigrated as " 's crazy mold theory " , this

simple idea of avoiding mold has literally gone through Schopenhauers

three stages of Truth, and after all the " That's ridiculous " , " That's

IMPOSSIBLE " , to finally hit the " Just a given " stage is an amazing

thing to witness.

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[Guest guest]

It's just simple logic. If something makes you ill, then you avoid

it! I had a very good mind-body connection before we got slammed by

toxins at work. So it is a lot easier for me to identify that I must

be around something bad as soon as I get what I call the " doofies " ,

when suddenly you get stupid you know, or when I notice something is

smelling really strong to me and it makes me nauseous, occasionally

leading to the dreaded " doofies " . Most people don't even understand

why they are so tired after eating fast food let alone why they feel

a certain way from breathing bad air! Oh, and , I wish we had

some good, clean mountain air around here. Something needs to push

my VEGF up.

, " erikmoldwarrior "

<erikmoldwarrior@e...> wrote:

> " pizzahutoxic " wrote:

> > Dude, I agree avoidance is key but I thought that was just a

given.

> Once you are away from the mold though, at least for me with a

broke

> immune syayem, shouldn't you try to clear the toxins out and fix

your

> immune system?

> >

>

> Of course. That's what I said. Prioritize and put your economic

> resources toward the therapy most likely to result in benefit.

> But I do have to say how amazing it is to hear someone say that

> avoidance is " just a given " .

> After twenty years of being called obsessive, liar, delusional and

had

> the avoidance concept denigrated as " 's crazy mold theory " ,

this

> simple idea of avoiding mold has literally gone through

Schopenhauers

> three stages of Truth, and after all the " That's

ridiculous " , " That's

> IMPOSSIBLE " , to finally hit the " Just a given " stage is an amazing

> thing to witness.

> -

[Guest guest]

" pizzahutoxic " < wrote:

> It's just simple logic. If something makes you ill, then you avoid

> it!

You wouldn't believe how many people I've said that to who've

retorted " But my doctor says mold reactivity is impossible " and

denied the evidence of their own perceptions.

This whole experience has been flabbergasting.

Like my old story about going to the largest allergist-immunologist

group in Reno and having them fight with me about mold. They said it

was a " bad back " and ordered an X ray of my spine. I showed them

that I had no back problems and asked " How come I'm I only have

a " bad back " when I'm in a moldy building? "

It was just like my story in Mold Warrior when the doctors insisted

that I was reactive to my cat and I asked " Why am I only reactive to

my cat when I'm in a moldy building and no other time. Heck, I'll

even bring in the cat and show you! No problem " .

These people were totally unhelpful so I had nothing to lose

by " gettin' an attitude " . They weren't going to change their minds,

and then when I asked " Well, if someone was convinced that they

really WERE reacting to something, say,mold for example, would you

know of any contractors that specialize in helping remove that

substance from their house? "

And they said " No one has ever asked us that before. " and then " No,

removing allergens from your house is your own problem. We don't

know of anyone who does that " .

I was amazed, and asked " If you see people on a daily basis who

have problems with allergens, don't you counsel them on ways to

remove these things from their environment and limit their exposure? "

And their priceless, or should I say " Worthless " answer was:

" No. We just give shots " .

I've been dragging people into moldy places for years to show them

how this works, and the universal response is to spend every penny

on doctors and vitamins before they get so sick that they consider a

last resort of hiring an environmental specialist and considering

the extent of the mold problem.

Like everyone else - I did all the vitamins and protested the

doctors claims that mold couldn't be doing this until I just

couldn't afford to deny it any longer and looking back on it, I wish

that someone had been there to tell me " RUN! You Fool " .

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