Guest guest Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 hi raveet , i think d is rt ans coz if biofilm is supragingival its composition is different from when it is subgingival..so i think composition of biofilm is dependant upon position in the mouth. plz correct me if wrong aditi From: ravneet <ravneet_cheema2401@...> Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 5:35:55 AMSubject: biofilms hello,i found this question in an online practice paper. it was on two different sites with two seperate answers. Ques:Which one of the following statements with regard to biofilms is correct?a. the initial adhesion of the micro organisms is via such structures as pili.b. all species must be able to adhere to the tooth surfacec. all external bacteria become anaerobic d. the biofilm is held together and protected by extracellular matrixe. composition of biofilm is not dependant upon position in the mouth.*** one site gave option "d" as the answer, the other site gaveoption "e" as answer.ren't both these statements true???please guide me as to which option would be considered more correct answer if this question was asked in ORE Exam??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 i think the answer is d.... From: Aditi Shah <dentist5686@...>Subject: Re: biofilms Date: Monday, 10 January, 2011, 12:38 PM hi raveet , i think d is rt ans coz if biofilm is supragingival its composition is different from when it is subgingival..so i think composition of biofilm is dependant upon position in the mouth. plz correct me if wrong aditi From: ravneet <ravneet_cheema2401@...> Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 5:35:55 AMSubject: biofilms hello,i found this question in an online practice paper. it was on two different sites with two seperate answers. Ques:Which one of the following statements with regard to biofilms is correct?a. the initial adhesion of the micro organisms is via such structures as pili.b. all species must be able to adhere to the tooth surfacec. all external bacteria become anaerobic d. the biofilm is held together and protected by extracellular matrixe. composition of biofilm is not dependant upon position in the mouth.*** one site gave option "d" as the answer, the other site gaveoption "e" as answer.ren't both these statements true???please guide me as to which option would be considered more correct answer if this question was asked in ORE Exam??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 i would go for D. pls correct me if wrong. The first colonists facilitate the arrival of other cells by providing more diverse adhesion sites and beginning to build the matrix that holds the biofilm together. Some species are not able to attach to a surface on their own but are often able to anchor themselves to the matrix or directly to earlier colonists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biofilm From: ravneet <ravneet_cheema2401@...> Sent: Mon, 10 January, 2011 0:05:55Subject: biofilmshello,i found this question in an online practice paper. it was on two different sites with two seperate answers. Ques:Which one of the following statements with regard to biofilms is correct?a. the initial adhesion of the micro organisms is via such structures as pili.b. all species must be able to adhere to the tooth surfacec. all external bacteria become anaerobic d. the biofilm is held together and protected by extracellular matrixe. composition of biofilm is not dependant upon position in the mouth.*** one site gave option "d" as the answer, the other site gave option "e" as answer.ren't both these statements true???please guide me as to which option would be considered more correct answer if this question was asked in ORE Exam???------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 D is the best choice...coz the extracellular matrix provides nutrients and keep biofilm stable..it comes under the definition of a biofilmFrom: ravneet <ravneet_cheema2401@...>Subject: biofilms Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 12:05 AM hello, i found this question in an online practice paper. it was on two different sites with two seperate answers. Ques:Which one of the following statements with regard to biofilms is correct? a. the initial adhesion of the micro organisms is via such structures as pili. b. all species must be able to adhere to the tooth surface c. all external bacteria become anaerobic d. the biofilm is held together and protected by extracellular matrix e. composition of biofilm is not dependant upon position in the mouth. *** one site gave option "d" as the answer, the other site gave option "e" as answer. ren't both these statements true??? please guide me as to which option would be considered more correct answer if this question was asked in ORE Exam??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 what is the dose for nattokinsase? what are the side effects? a dentist told me that hypercoagulation is caused by hormone imbalance. IS that true? I've never heard that. Do you know if Dr Berg retired? Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Hi Amy, My nattokinase capsules are 100 mg. with a 1/day recommended dose. There are no known side effects. Nattokinase does break down biofilm which releases whatever is inside so taking anti-microbials to kill the " bugs " that get release is important.  In anyone with heavy metals, it is also customary to take EDTA with the nattokinase to bind with the metals and carry them out of the body. Kay From: amy <amydent9@...> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:09 AM Subject: biofilms  what is the dose for nattokinsase? what are the side effects? a dentist told me that hypercoagulation is caused by hormone imbalance. IS that true? I've never heard that. Do you know if Dr Berg retired? Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 hi Kay did you notice any difference when you started the nottokinase? I have not noticed any difference. I have been looking at a product called interfase plus for breaking down biofilms. have you tried this one? thanks. Grant From: ksiegr@... Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:04:46 -0700 Subject: Re: biofilms Hi Amy, My nattokinase capsules are 100 mg. with a 1/day recommended dose. There are no known side effects. Nattokinase does break down biofilm which releases whatever is inside so taking anti-microbials to kill the " bugs " that get release is important. In anyone with heavy metals, it is also customary to take EDTA with the nattokinase to bind with the metals and carry them out of the body. Kay From: amy <amydent9@...> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:09 AM Subject: biofilms what is the dose for nattokinsase? what are the side effects? a dentist told me that hypercoagulation is caused by hormone imbalance. IS that true? I've never heard that. Do you know if Dr Berg retired? Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Hi Grant, I started the lowfat diet and biofilm enzymes about 2 weeks before the scrip antimicrobials and noticed no difference when on just the enzymes. Kay From: grant nancarrow <grant323@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 10:10 PM Subject: RE: biofilms  hi Kay did you notice any difference when you started the nottokinase? I have not noticed any difference. I have been looking at a product called interfase plus for breaking down biofilms. have you tried this one? thanks. Grant From: ksiegr@... Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:04:46 -0700 Subject: Re: biofilms Hi Amy, My nattokinase capsules are 100 mg. with a 1/day recommended dose. There are no known side effects. Nattokinase does break down biofilm which releases whatever is inside so taking anti-microbials to kill the " bugs " that get release is important. In anyone with heavy metals, it is also customary to take EDTA with the nattokinase to bind with the metals and carry them out of the body. Kay From: amy <amydent9@...> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:09 AM Subject: biofilms what is the dose for nattokinsase? what are the side effects? a dentist told me that hypercoagulation is caused by hormone imbalance. IS that true? I've never heard that. Do you know if Dr Berg retired? Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 A couple more thoughts. Dr. Fry says that the symptoms accompanying biofilm break down plus killing bugs happens on a bell curve. The patient feels about the same then experiences gradually inclining symptoms during the first month to month and a half. Once the whole treatment is in full action, the next about 2 months are very symptomatic due to biofilm being pulled away from where it is stuck, biofilm pieces & bugs floating in the blood, immune response, and periodic herx. Then those symptoms subside and there is a month or 2 of tiredness (that's where I am now) followed by the patient starting to feel better. This basic bell curve and treatment varies in length depending on how long someone has had CFS and how developed the biofilm/bug communities are.  I have not used interface plus. I noticed that interface plus doesn't list either nattokinase or lumbrokinase as ingredients. It does contain EDTA. I am taking EDTA 10 days on & 10 days off as suggested by Dr.. Yasko. I often prefer to buy supplements separate rather than in combination to have more control about how much and how often I take each, choice as to meeting my body's specific needs.  My symptoms/results are from doing an approach that breaks down biofilm, kills bugs, removes heavy metals, and repopulates healthy gut flora. I don't know what symptoms if any, result from breaking down biofilm only. Hope this helps and good luck!  Kay From: grant nancarrow <grant323@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 10:10 PM Subject: RE: biofilms  hi Kay did you notice any difference when you started the nottokinase? I have not noticed any difference. I have been looking at a product called interfase plus for breaking down biofilms. have you tried this one? thanks. Grant From: ksiegr@... Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:04:46 -0700 Subject: Re: biofilms Hi Amy, My nattokinase capsules are 100 mg. with a 1/day recommended dose. There are no known side effects. Nattokinase does break down biofilm which releases whatever is inside so taking anti-microbials to kill the " bugs " that get release is important. In anyone with heavy metals, it is also customary to take EDTA with the nattokinase to bind with the metals and carry them out of the body. Kay From: amy <amydent9@...> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:09 AM Subject: biofilms what is the dose for nattokinsase? what are the side effects? a dentist told me that hypercoagulation is caused by hormone imbalance. IS that true? I've never heard that. Do you know if Dr Berg retired? Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Amy...google arizonacoag.com...for contact info for david berg. he is consulting on a freelance basis. > > > > > > hi Kay did you notice any difference when you started the nottokinase? I have not noticed any difference. I have been looking at a product called interfase plus for breaking down biofilms. have you tried this one? thanks. Grant > > > From: ksiegr@... > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:04:46 -0700 > Subject: Re: biofilms > > > > > > > Hi Amy, My nattokinase capsules are 100 mg. with a 1/day recommended dose. There are no known side effects. Nattokinase does break down biofilm which releases whatever is inside so taking anti-microbials to kill the " bugs " that get release is important. In anyone with heavy metals, it is also customary to take EDTA with the nattokinase to bind with the metals and carry them out of the body. Kay > > From: amy <amydent9@...> > > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:09 AM > Subject: biofilms > > > > > what is the dose for nattokinsase? what are the side effects? > > a dentist told me that hypercoagulation is caused by hormone imbalance. > > IS that true? I've never heard that. > > Do you know if Dr Berg retired? > > Amy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I am looking forward to hearing about how you do with the Nattozyme. I consider talking to my doctor about it too. I think she would say yes, take it.From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:13:45 PMSubject: Biofilms The Lyme doctor I'm going to see out in DC in May is using a product called Nattozyme to address biofilms.AandrayaOn Apr 17, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote: Yeah Kajay, I am so happy for you getting such a short term appointment. Congratulations ! Let's just hope he is one of the good ones ! Ask him about our biofilm problem, lol :-) Good luck to you sweetheart ! Von: Kajay109 <morjella@...>An: "bird mites " <bird mites > Gesendet: 16:05 Dienstag, 17.April 2012Betreff: Re: Evening Primrose specifics I have found an LLMD and have an appointment for April 24 (out of state). This doctor has been working with Lyme for many years. I don't know what experience he has with Morg but of course they overlap so much... I am going to contact my local doctor's office today to get a copy of my last full labs, which were a month ago. So...this is it: 1988 to now and finally, thanks to your encouragement here. especially Aandraya, who has pushed me the most, I have an LLMD! I am open to any advice from those of you who have battled these joint diseases. Thank you, Kajay http://morjella.com PS I am still looking for people who are interested in posting their own best practices articles to Morjella. You don't have to be cured, or even close, but you have each learned things that others could benefit from, even if they are not cures. For example, if you have nailed how to do laundry faster and cheaper than others here, if you know what to do to keep your feet bite-free without destroying your dress boots (since I doubt we ladies with this still wear girlie strappy shoes, lol), if you have a system for spraying your house like I do, but you swear by yours, whatever. If something is working for you, whether it is internal, external, or environmental, people need to be able to find that information. From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:20 PMSubject: Re: Evening Primrose specifics Kajay- Have you ever done an Igenix lyme western blot test? The skin secretions do resolve with Lyme treatment. Aandraya On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Kajay109 <morjella@...> wrote: The capsules stimulate activity. The spray attracts them - an unfortunate side effect. The neem oil helps to stop the attraction. When I used the external (live) chitinase in the shower that time, it dissolved whatever had retained the biofilm in my body, and the biofilm seemed to float to the surface of the skin. I haven't used the live chitinase since as the process for producing it is difficult, expensive, and requires special equipment, which means that others cannot duplicate what I did with the same set of factors. Control of biofilm? I don't have that down yet. Working on it :-) I think that is what the F-8 is supposed to do, and I think it does when I have time to rub stuff out. I need to think about this question a bit longer. I'm distracted right this minute so will try to come back here. I'm thinking I know more than I can recall right now. Will update if I remember or learn more. kajay From: Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...>"bird mites " <bird mites > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:16 AMSubject: Re: Evening Primrose specifics Hi Kajay, Is there anything particular you keep using for the biofilm ? It is on one side of my hair only, but whatever is left, be it mites or fungus or bacteria, seems to detect me via this biofilm in my hair and then the hair just feels like being alive... hate that feeling! Everything got a lot better with the doxy, but I can't get rid of that. Von: Kajay109 <morjella@...>An: "bird mites@groupscom" <bird mites > Gesendet: 0:27 Sonntag, 15.April 2012Betreff: Evening Primrose specifics Evening primrose potency varies widely and I have experimented with many brands. During premenopause, I took 2600 mg (two 1300 mg) Twinlabs brand and during menopause I took 3900 mg. I always took it at night but now know that since it is a slight stimulant I should probably have taken it in the morning, or split the dosage between morning and night. The first May after I started taking evening primrose oil caps, I walked out one May morning and noticed I could breathe without sneezing for the first spring since I was preadolescent. That's a long time to suffer debilitating allergies - preadolescence to premenopause! But my respiratory allergies were gone. I could even run out of the evening primrose and be protected for up to about three days before I had to buy more. Over time, after menopause that is, I could go longer periods without the evening primrose and got up to about six months between treatments. I would buy a bottle, take it regularly, run out, and not buy any more, and not have any postmenopausal or allergic respiratory symptoms at all. Now and then I would buy another bottle and repeat the process. I had birdmites the whole time I was taking evening primrose for premenopause and menopause. I continued with the same dosage after menopause and gradually got so I only had to take a capsule or two a month for maintenance. In the past year my allergy symptoms started kicking in so now I take two or three capsules a week for maintenance. I noticed that there was not much difference in potency between brands - until I discovered NOW Super Primrose. The NOW Foods company's mission is simple: high quality and low prices. I have found that one 1300 mg Super Primrose capsule is as potent as two or maybe three other branded capsules of the same size. Since Super Primrose prices are competitive, that in effect makes them cost half as much as the competition - at least. When I am ready to buy, I just google "1300 super primrose" and I never pay over $20 including shipping for 120 capsules. It is quite reasonable. Another observation: evening primrose only eliminates my respiratory allergy symptoms. I still have contact allergic reactions to animals, but I now know that is probably because their "pets" are attracted to my remaining biofilm. I have to keep my dogs on the usual life cycle flea treatments or I get eaten alive when I'm near them. Hopefully that will ease off or go away as I continue to clear my body of this pestilence. kajay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 -You can find it easily online, I haven't ordered it yet.AaOn Apr 18, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Goldstein@... wrote: I am looking forward to hearing about how you do with the Nattozyme. I consider talking to my doctor about it too. I think she would say yes, take it.From: "Aandraya" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:13:45 PMSubject: Biofilms The Lyme doctor I'm going to see out in DC in May is using a product called Nattozyme to address biofilms.AandrayaOn Apr 17, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...> wrote: Yeah Kajay, I am so happy for you getting such a short term appointment. Congratulations ! Let's just hope he is one of the good ones ! Ask him about our biofilm problem, lol :-) Good luck to you sweetheart ! Von: Kajay109 <morjella@...>An: "bird mites " <bird mites > Gesendet: 16:05 Dienstag, 17.April 2012Betreff: Re: Evening Primrose specifics I have found an LLMD and have an appointment for April 24 (out of state). This doctor has been working with Lyme for many years. I don't know what experience he has with Morg but of course they overlap so much... I am going to contact my local doctor's office today to get a copy of my last full labs, which were a month ago. So...this is it: 1988 to now and finally, thanks to your encouragement here. especially Aandraya, who has pushed me the most, I have an LLMD! I am open to any advice from those of you who have battled these joint diseases. Thank you, Kajay http://morjella.com PS I am still looking for people who are interested in posting their own best practices articles to Morjella. You don't have to be cured, or even close, but you have each learned things that others could benefit from, even if they are not cures. For example, if you have nailed how to do laundry faster and cheaper than others here, if you know what to do to keep your feet bite-free without destroying your dress boots (since I doubt we ladies with this still wear girlie strappy shoes, lol), if you have a system for spraying your house like I do, but you swear by yours, whatever. If something is working for you, whether it is internal, external, or environmental, people need to be able to find that information. From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>"bird mites " <bird mites > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 7:20 PMSubject: Re: Evening Primrose specifics Kajay- Have you ever done an Igenix lyme western blot test? The skin secretions do resolve with Lyme treatment. Aandraya On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Kajay109 <morjella@...> wrote: The capsules stimulate activity. The spray attracts them - an unfortunate side effect. The neem oil helps to stop the attraction. When I used the external (live) chitinase in the shower that time, it dissolved whatever had retained the biofilm in my body, and the biofilm seemed to float to the surface of the skin. I haven't used the live chitinase since as the process for producing it is difficult, expensive, and requires special equipment, which means that others cannot duplicate what I did with the same set of factors. Control of biofilm? I don't have that down yet. Working on it :-) I think that is what the F-8 is supposed to do, and I think it does when I have time to rub stuff out. I need to think about this question a bit longer. I'm distracted right this minute so will try to come back here. I'm thinking I know more than I can recall right now. Will update if I remember or learn more. kajay From: Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...>"bird mites " <bird mites > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:16 AMSubject: Re: Evening Primrose specifics Hi Kajay, Is there anything particular you keep using for the biofilm ? It is on one side of my hair only, but whatever is left, be it mites or fungus or bacteria, seems to detect me via this biofilm in my hair and then the hair just feels like being alive... hate that feeling! Everything got a lot better with the doxy, but I can't get rid of that. Von: Kajay109 <morjella@...>An: "bird mites@groupscom" <bird mites > Gesendet: 0:27 Sonntag, 15.April 2012Betreff: Evening Primrose specifics Evening primrose potency varies widely and I have experimented with many brands. During premenopause, I took 2600 mg (two 1300 mg) Twinlabs brand and during menopause I took 3900 mg. I always took it at night but now know that since it is a slight stimulant I should probably have taken it in the morning, or split the dosage between morning and night. The first May after I started taking evening primrose oil caps, I walked out one May morning and noticed I could breathe without sneezing for the first spring since I was preadolescent. That's a long time to suffer debilitating allergies - preadolescence to premenopause! But my respiratory allergies were gone. I could even run out of the evening primrose and be protected for up to about three days before I had to buy more. Over time, after menopause that is, I could go longer periods without the evening primrose and got up to about six months between treatments. I would buy a bottle, take it regularly, run out, and not buy any more, and not have any postmenopausal or allergic respiratory symptoms at all. Now and then I would buy another bottle and repeat the process. I had birdmites the whole time I was taking evening primrose for premenopause and menopause. I continued with the same dosage after menopause and gradually got so I only had to take a capsule or two a month for maintenance. In the past year my allergy symptoms started kicking in so now I take two or three capsules a week for maintenance. I noticed that there was not much difference in potency between brands - until I discovered NOW Super Primrose. The NOW Foods company's mission is simple: high quality and low prices. I have found that one 1300 mg Super Primrose capsule is as potent as two or maybe three other branded capsules of the same size. Since Super Primrose prices are competitive, that in effect makes them cost half as much as the competition - at least. When I am ready to buy, I just google "1300 super primrose" and I never pay over $20 including shipping for 120 capsules. It is quite reasonable. Another observation: evening primrose only eliminates my respiratory allergy symptoms. I still have contact allergic reactions to animals, but I now know that is probably because their "pets" are attracted to my remaining biofilm. I have to keep my dogs on the usual life cycle flea treatments or I get eaten alive when I'm near them. Hopefully that will ease off or go away as I continue to clear my body of this pestilence. kajay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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