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Hi Amy,

I am a counselor and an ICD recipient. Anxiety is really a normal part of

the process. When it starts affecting how we go about our daily activities,

it is important to see someone who understands both. We experience

post-traumatic stress disorder which presents itself with anxiety,

hypervigilance/arousal, insomnia, irritability, preoccupation with the event.

Some of us get over it sooner than others. It can also affect us down the

road a while after our 'incident.' You may be able to ask your EP about a

local therapist who may help you. Or, a local psychiatrist, who may be able

to prescribe a medication that will help you, is not addictive and won't

effect your current cardiac medications. We are not crazy, we are just

experiencing normal reactions to severe life-threatening illnesses. Anxiety

increases and decreases with our illness. (i.e. If we get zapped, If we

don't get zapped, etc.) Talking with others is very helpful. I had a

therapist for awhile right after my SCD and I knew what was happening. I

will always recommend the zapchats on Tuesdays and Thursdays. There are

other chats on the web as well. Feeling 'normal' and not alone goes a long

way toward healing.

Take care of yourself,

Beth

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yes--I find that sitting down,meditation,and engaging in

activities--including work--helps a lot. Also a good psychiatrist

with ana cardiology and internal medicine background helps a great deal.

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Hi everyone...

Does anybody else experience anxiety attacks?

Amy

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All:

For most of my life I never suffered from anything resembling anxiety, but

in the early 1990's there were a number of family crises at the same time

that the Postal Service (in the form of an evil postmaster) decided to go

after me, knowing full well that I had a major cardiac history. The Postal

Service failed to do me any harm at work, but I wound up with a prescription

for Xanax (1 or 2 a day as needed) which I only occasionally (a couple of

times a month) took. The Postal Service, in spite of its decent salaries

and fine benefit package, is no longer the good employer it once was. It's

good to be retired and out of there.

When I received my AICD I experienced a greater intolerance of stress, and

now probably take my Xanax once a week. It works fine. I do not believe

that my anxiety is at all caused by my implant or even the cardiac

conditions I have. I think that it is the aforementioned intolerance of

stress, and that, in everyday life, is not completely manageable.

Over the past forty-five years or so, I have been using humor, jokes, puns

and the like, to moderate my moods, and it has been successful. I use

sarcasm instead of anger when and where I can. (A side benefit is that

people will listen to a sarcastic rmark more than they will something that's

shouted in anger.) Also having faced my own mortality in 1985 (I wasn't

supposed to see 1986.), it's a lot easier not to get as upset with the

everyday frustrations of life. It's nice to be able to go through life and

smell the bicycle seats. (Just joking. Wanted to see if you were paying

attention.)

Hope this is of some help.

Bill

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Beth:

Your message helped me. I now know that others have the same anxieties and

we found that working together as a family helps.

Take care.

Phyllis

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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:33:28 EDT

Hi Amy,

I am a counselor and an ICD recipient. Anxiety is really a normal part of

the process. When it starts affecting how we go about our daily activities,

it is important to see someone who understands both. We experience

post-traumatic stress disorder which presents itself with anxiety,

hypervigilance/arousal, insomnia, irritability, preoccupation with the event.

Some of us get over it sooner than others. It can also affect us down the

road a while after our 'incident.' You may be able to ask your EP about a

local therapist who may help you. Or, a local psychiatrist, who may be able

to prescribe a medication that will help you, is not addictive and won't

effect your current cardiac medications. We are not crazy, we are just

experiencing normal reactions to severe life-threatening illnesses. Anxiety

increases and decreases with our illness. (i.e. If we get zapped, If we

don't get zapped, etc.) Talking with others is very helpful. I had a

therapist for awhile right after my SCD and I knew what was happening. I

will always recommend the zapchats on Tuesdays and Thursdays. There are

other chats on the web as well. Feeling 'normal' and not alone goes a long

way toward healing.

Take care of yourself,

Beth

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I received my ICD in 9/98. Had surgery on Sat, out of hosp. on Mon, back to

work on Tues (I work at home doing medical transcription, and I work part

time at my church as a music director. I was back at music rehearsals the

Weds. after the surgery. I felt great- actually euphoric.

Then, around February, I went into a tailspin. I do have a depression

component that goes with fibromyalgia, but this was the worst I had ever

experienced. I withdrew from just about everything, only going out when I

absolutely had to. Just got out of bed to do my typing, and just out for

Sunday Masses, I even skipped rehearsals.

After about two months of this, I spoke with my PCP who is also a close

friend. He even said that he thought I " bounced back " too fast. With his

help, and the help of a good therapist, I realized that the depression was

tied up with the fact that I had DIED- it was just all of a sudden hitting

me.

I am lucky- my defib has never gone off, and I have never had any problems

except for a few times when my heart rate dropped too low and the pacemaker

part kicked in and that felt kind of funny. My EP raised my bottom rate and

that hasn't happened since.

While I have not been able to participate in the Weds and Sun chat room,

just making friends and emailing people from that group has been a tremendous

help. I think that anyone who gets an implant should be counseled right away

about the possibility of depression setting in at some point, whether it is a

few days after surgery, or months, like myself.

Even now, there are times when I think about what happened, and I am

overwhelmed with different feelings. If I had had someone to talk to at

the start, perhaps the severe depression could have been softened a bit.

But, it's emails like all of yours, and keeping in touch with others who have

implants that continually lifts me up and always, always makes me appreciate

the fragility of life.

Peace,

Ginnie in West Palm Beach, Florida

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Ginnie,

My recovery has always been very fast. (I'm on my third device) I think the

difference this time is that I had to have the new device because my second

one malfunctioned.

By the way, I just gave my notice at work, and will be starting medical

transcription at home on July 1. Does it work well for you? (you can e-mail

just me about that if you want). aaccardo@...

Everyone,

Thank you all for your responses. I am calling this morning to make an

appointment with my PCP. I'll let you know what happens.

Amy

Re: Anxiety

> I received my ICD in 9/98. Had surgery on Sat, out of hosp. on Mon, back

to

> work on Tues (I work at home doing medical transcription, and I work part

> time at my church as a music director. I was back at music rehearsals the

> Weds. after the surgery. I felt great- actually euphoric.

>

> Then, around February, I went into a tailspin. I do have a depression

> component that goes with fibromyalgia, but this was the worst I had ever

> experienced. I withdrew from just about everything, only going out when I

> absolutely had to. Just got out of bed to do my typing, and just out for

> Sunday Masses, I even skipped rehearsals.

>

> After about two months of this, I spoke with my PCP who is also a close

> friend. He even said that he thought I " bounced back " too fast. With his

> help, and the help of a good therapist, I realized that the depression was

> tied up with the fact that I had DIED- it was just all of a sudden hitting

> me.

>

> I am lucky- my defib has never gone off, and I have never had any problems

> except for a few times when my heart rate dropped too low and the

pacemaker

> part kicked in and that felt kind of funny. My EP raised my bottom rate

and

> that hasn't happened since.

>

> While I have not been able to participate in the Weds and Sun chat room,

> just making friends and emailing people from that group has been a

tremendous

> help. I think that anyone who gets an implant should be counseled right

away

> about the possibility of depression setting in at some point, whether it

is a

> few days after surgery, or months, like myself.

>

> Even now, there are times when I think about what happened, and I am

> overwhelmed with different feelings. If I had had someone to talk to at

> the start, perhaps the severe depression could have been softened a bit.

>

> But, it's emails like all of yours, and keeping in touch with others who

have

> implants that continually lifts me up and always, always makes me

appreciate

> the fragility of life.

> Peace,

> Ginnie in West Palm Beach, Florida

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Amy,

Just a quickie to let you know that I saw your email.

I will write more to you about the absolute joys of working from home doing

med. transcription. There are a few down sides, but not many, especially

when you compare them to the upsides!

It has been a long day, I had to get a MAJOR cortisone injection into the

top of my foot (arthritis is so bad the joint is gone- bone rubbing against

bone), which flared up because my fibromyalgia flared up. Rough week.

Rough week ahead. 23 year old kid I knew was killed in Tallahassee, hit be a

car. I have to sing at his funeral on Saturday.

So, I will write more ASAP. I can sent you some great med. trans. web sites,

too, and recommend some good books to get.

Will write real soon, promise.

Ginnie from West Palm Beach, Florida

GinniePie@...

ICD 9/98

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Hi ,

My brother recently had a bout with panic attacks and anxiety during my

mother's recent illness and passing. He was her primary caretaker. My

sister and I ended up taking care of both of them until my brother got

his bearings (and he did). He took various meds and has tapered off

them. He may be totally off now. I think the stress of a situation

disrupts the nervous system, and it just kind of goes over the top.

Adrenal glands are involved. He was getting the involuntary muscle

actions which were worse when he was lying down. One hospital was

trying to get him involved in a $17,000 counseling program--I told him

to forget it. It's tough riding it out but it passes. Now that he has

seen how things are working out and with family support he is no longer

anxious and seems to be enjoying life.

J.

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Hi everyone... I don't write much, but read your messages daily. They are informative, comforting and lately, hilarious! It really helps take the edge off some pretty serious situations.

Anyways, my mom has had an icd for almost a year now. After 52 years of smoking, she went into cardiac arrest and was saved by her next door neighbor, who immediately started cpr and called 9ll. She had a defibulator/pacemaker implanted (never zapped so far) , Her diagnosis is congestive heart failure and COPD. She was told she is not a candidate for bypass or balloon, only medication and that her heart is at 10%. Well, she's never been to a doctor in her life (didn't want to hear the reality), she doesn't trust them, she HATES pills as she has never taken more than an aspirin her whole life. She stopped smoking and drinking and eating all the good stuff and now that all the things that helped relax her are gone, wow, is she filled with anxiety!! You name it, she worries about it! And I mean small, non-important stuff becomes a major catastrophy. Oh, and by the way, she is widowed and I'm "it", so I've been thru this with her from the onset and it's starting to get overwhelming for me as I am married with 3 children and a busy life, but I can't abandon her as she needs me.

To cut to the chase, she has been in the hospital 7 times in the past year.

She fills with fluid and goes into respiratory failure. Has been on a ventilator 3 times. The last 2 hospital emergencies have happened in the middle of the night. She is a chronic insomniac and never sleeps. She sits up half the night, alone, scared, and lets her mind get the best of her. I am convinced that the anxiety makes her heart work harder, which is weak and the lungs can't handle the extra pumping and fill up, therefore causing the congestive heart failure. Am I crazy? Can you induce your own congestive heart failure? I beg her to take her ambien (sleeping pill), but "she doesn't want to put another pill in her body" Actually, I think she is scared she'll not wake up. Thanks for listening, I look forward to your input.

an exhausted daughter,

Sheri

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hi sheri,

i also did the smoking thing, the drinking thing, and beat hodgkins disease

7 years ago.

i presented myself at the E.R. near the end of february. the E.R. doc

probably didnt like fat guys so he took my pulse ox and kicked me out even

though i was complaining of being unable to breath.

come march 1 i called the family doc, told him of what had happened and

that the breathing was getting worse. he had me go to the same emergency

room and just wait for him. i had to pass the E.R. doc on my way in and

can you imagine how difficult it was not to slap the guy. he probably

would have kicked my tail, considering how bad i felt, but it was tempting

anyway.

within the next five days i ended up with two heart caths being done and

the icd implant. i went home on a thursday morning petrified. my first

wed at 10 pm this thing zapped me. i got through that one okay, then the

following wed at 10pm it zapped me again. then i became petrified. no

zaps since. can you just imagine how i felt on the 3rd wednesday at 10 pm

approached. no zaps and none since, thank god.

i was ready to commit suicide, and i happened onto the zappers. the people

here are what saved my life. i come here everyday now. i read the posts

and i offer my own experiences, and i try a stab at humor as well.

like your mom, my ejection fraction is 10. but i was told to do whatever

my body would allow me to do and im doing exactly that. it is amazing how

much my quality of life has improved. i see 7 docs now, one being a heart

failure specialist 150 miles away. but he is worth it, to me.

my advice, tell your mom to listen to the docs. and if she doesnt like

one of them, find another. i had to fire a couple simply because they sat

on their big white horse and didnt want to talk to one of us peons. those

guys can go scratch for all i care. id like to help some of them go scratch.

my docs put me in cardiac rehab, and that helped me tremendously. it

certainly didnt cure me but it did let me meet many others in the same boat

we are. add this group and i found my answers.

i have even purchased a treadmill and use it at least 5 days a week. i

had an echocardiogram two weeks ago and have to see the doc about it on the

19th. im praying they tell me i have raised my efection fraction

somewhat. and if i dont ill come to the zapper and complain and cry and

these freinds ive made in this club will grab me and lift me right back up

and ill just rry harder.

tell you mom i said listen to the docs, and god bless.

my credo here is " WHEN LIFE HANDS YOU LEMONS, MAKE LEMONADE " we have

had some fun with this slogan here in the group. chips, cookies, peach

cobbler, and other fine foods have been tossed around and talked about. im

still waiting for some peach cobbler from jes, and some chips from tom in pa.

bob in pa

ps: and one more thing. i know it will be tuf but stick by your

mom. she really needs you right now. several of us have been pretty much

abandoned by our family and some friends. i suspect it is because they

are afraid we may ask for help one day, or the fear of us dropping dead in

front of them. tell mom to tell them to go scratch to. it sounds like

your mom has a wonderful daughter. if she is up to it make sure she sees

the grandkids whenever schedules permit. they do wonders for us ole folks.

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Dear Sheri,

First before anything else give yourself a well deserved pat on the back and

a great big hug. Believe me you deserve it! You are a wonderful daughter

and marvelous person to have given so much. All this praise is not going to

get you anywhere and you need a break.

Your Mom is terrified. Unless you have been there and back you will never

understand. A bet a great many of with icd are a little high strung and

things that once seemed so simple scare the be-Jesus out of us. I believe

there is a term for it and its is called hysterical panic stress syndrome.

Your Mom needs to get herself together you can only do so much. We can all

laugh a give advise but you have to deal with it and your Mom has to get

through it and believe me it is not easy for some of us it is not as easy as

others. We are just plain scared!

On one of your Moms good days try to sit down and talk straight with her,

that is the first barrier you must overcome. Straight talk between the two

of you. If she is afraid of her condition agree with her tell her you are

too are scared for her and yourself. Don't blow her off with oh Mom

everything will be OK because it not going to ever be OK the same again. Her

whole world has changed and she has panicked.

I know what I want to say but I m not exactly how to say it. She need

empathy not sympathy. Hell I think we are all scared on this board one time

or another. Your Mom needs to learn to take baby steps and they will be

hard. She has to go to the bottom before she can get back on her feet. You

need to have a talk with her doctor and get the truth on where she is

physical as well as mentally and if the DR won't talk find a some medical

professionals that will. If you are very active in a church group see if

there is any counseling available. It took me about six months of plain

misery and hell before I knew I need someone to talk to then I started seeing

a shrink.

You need to set boundaries for yourself that you ccan not let your Mom cross

no matter what. If you fall apart then where will you be. I hope some of

this makes sense to you.

Have faith and Hold on we are al here for you

See a shrink in Ohio

Sharon

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Bob, even though it has been a few days, just wanted to let you know that I have read your words of encouragement and thank you much. Whenever I read messages from this board it somehow makes my problems seem small as there are people out there with much more complicated medical problems.

Since I wrote last my mom had a heart attack. It was one of those "silent" type, she thought it was angina, only the nitro didn't stop it. She's come out okay, I guess, except for the anxiety she already couldn't deal with... is worse. It's like two steps back instead of forward. But she's alive, and every day is a new day. And yes, I will try hard to make that lemonaide. Hope you are well, keep treadin' that treadmill! Sheri

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P.S. Speaking of "anxiety", our world situation is so frightening. I am especially worried as I have two sons aged 18 and 20 (they are both in college). Do you think there will be a draft?

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Sharon... I've wanted to write back sooner, however, my mom had a slight heart attack since and have not been able to sit down at the computer. Thank you so much for your kindness and also your knowledge. You are so right in all you say, I know my mother's anxiety is because she is so scared. She died in Sept and was rescussitated, who wouldn't be scared. And yes, I am there for her, but you are right in that I need to set boundaries. She depends on me sooo much that I feel that I am being sufficated and find myself getting angry... then it makes me feel guilty for being angry. Sounds like I need a group, huh! Wish I could find the time for that! Anyway, tomorrow is a new day, I'm working on that lemonaide, but I prefer a shot of vodka in mine! I enjoy reading your comments, you are special person and have such talent in how you write whether it is serious or funny. Thank you again for your words of encouragement. Sheri

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The draft is always a possibility, but only in national emergency. We have a

15 yr. old, and should that 'war' be a sustained one, i.e. stretching into

several yrs, or longer, than yes, we worry too.

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> P.S. Speaking of " anxiety " , our world situation is so frightening. I

> am especially worried as I have two sons aged 18 and 20 (they are both

> in college). Do you think there will be a draft?

As a person who was 'that age' during the Vietnam conflict.....

Probably not. We learned

a ground war doesn't work. Warfare has changed drastically since then. I

worry too.... having

two sons ages 20 and 26. In fact, just got off the fone with the younger

one..... he's enlisted

in the Marine ROTC at his college.

Let us just pray that this war can be settled without more loss of

American life. I'm not very

concerned, right now, about THEIR loss of life.

God(dess) bless America,

Sue

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has been so worried about this attack on our country he has been shaking like a leaf. I have had my own ghost to concore and I think I have. I spent 3 days on the phone with the Red Cross and several merchants in our area. has manned the phones when I needed a break. Together we aquired almost 5 semi-truck loads of needed items for NY.

The together we went to the local Coast Guard Station and spent a couple hours helping to clean the mess deck, halls and heads. To us this wasn't much, but it gave the feeling he was doing something. His feelings of anxiety he put to work, and now he is much calmer.

After 5 days we have finally had a good nights sleep. Hopefully now he and I can get back to a somewhat normal life.

Gail

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Dear Sheri, Well, how nice to hear from you. I guess that all of our

problems just got reduced to zero insight of last weeks black Tuesday. I

think the world need more tan lemonade, and so do we. I will join you

regardless of medication with that shot of Vodka in mine.

I haven't been sending to much time on the computer, more glued to the TV and

local news. In the total wake of things somehow having a defibrillator

somehow seems a very small price to pay for being alive.

Be strong and know that everyone is here to support you. I have been writing

in my diary something I would like to share maybe stupid but it means

something to me,

Each of us has faced endurance it getting by day by day. As American we will

endure there for we will survive.

Love Sharon

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>

> As most of us know, anxiety and depression become a little or big part of

> our life after being diagnosed with hearth problems, and especially so

> after being implanted with an ICD. Most psychologist refer to it as

> " trauma " that needs to be dealt with. Soon after my original implant in

> Nov. 1997 I had a few visits with a psychologist and was placed on a

> medicine called " paxil " . I have been off and on with this med since then

> and it has helped me maintain some sort of stability. But one of the big

> drawbacks is weight gain. Today my doc and I decided to attempt a change

> in meds. I am going to try " Effexor XR " . Do any of you use this med????

You are right, Tom. Anxiety and depression can be a real problem with this

ICD and CHF. I take Antivan at night to sleep. Sometimes I take it in the

early evening also. 0.5 mg.

>

> Stacie, I am glad you are back home again and recovering. I expect you

> will be back on Zapper at full speed soon. Also Chet I am glad that you

> are getting a little more comfortable with your implant. Whoever said

> " time is the greatest healer " is correct.

I forget sometimes and start moving that left arm around where I shouldn't

and I regret it because of the increase in pain for hours afterwards.

I now have a black and blue streak about an inch wide from the left side of

incision down to my arm pit and it's about 3 to 3 1/2 inches long. It

started Monday. I first thought that I was getting internal bleeding. Talk

about anxiety. I have to see the Cardiologist at the VA hospital in Syracuse

tomorrow to get Rx for my Coreg, so I will have him take a look at it. I'm

not going to pay $228 per month for that stuff anymore. I can get it through

the VA for $7.

Anyone else get brusing like that?

I purchased an am sling yesterday to remind me to quit using that arm but I

find it so cumbersome at times. It hurts my chest to type, so I will stop

here.

Chet

>

> Take care all!

> Tom in PA

>

>

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Have you considered that the trigger for these anxieties might be sensory related? There are many effective SI strategies that could help him stay calm during activities you mentioned.

Adrienne

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Hi Joe,

In our clinic (and family) we have found that the Hyland brand of Hypericum,

30x does WONDERS. It is a short term buffer (~ 2 - 4 hurs) but it will

soften the stress of any situation and allow for a decompess time. We have

found it good for both anxiety and depression (two ends of the same thread.)

As long as it is melting within 5 minutes, sublinqually, the body is

using it.

A dose of powdered calcium (w/magnesium, of course) can also lower muscle

tension and set the stage for calm.

Sunny ;'-)

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC

Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon

56 Oakway Center

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

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>From: " Dr. ph Medlin D.C. " <deadmed@...>

>< >

>Subject: anxiety

>Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:19:53 -0700

>

> Colleagues,

>any good natural or homeopathic additions to adjustments for addressing

>anxiety???

>thanks a million

>

>

>Dr. ph Medlin D.C.

>Spine Tree Chiropractic

>1627 NE Alberta St. #6

>Portland, OR 97211

>Ph: 503-788-6800

>c: 503-889-6204

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I have found that standardized St. 's Wort works well. jk

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anxiety

Colleagues,

any good natural or homeopathic additions to adjustments for addressing anxiety???

thanks a million

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4 Bottles of Hefeweitzen taken orally will usually reduce anxiety substantially.

It can have the side effect of making you think you are witty, good looking, and unusually strong.

Many patients are willing to put up with the side effects.

Seriously though,

I have a pt. who is a shrink in anxiety specialty at Kaiser.

(“Hello, you have reached the Kaiser Anxiety Clinic...lookout behind you!!!”)

People call a lot when the temperature goes above 100 degrees. They think they will melt or explode.

They are often told to “belly breath”.

It is common to find that people who are attached to biosensors are found to breath poorly when they are anxious. One leads to the other and possibly the antithesis of of shallow breathing could calm the anxiety.

The cost is low.

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From: " Dr. ph Medlin D.C. " <deadmed@...>

Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:19:53 -0700

< >

Subject: anxiety

Colleagues,

any good natural or homeopathic additions to adjustments for addressing anxiety???

thanks a million

Dr. ph Medlin D.C.

Spine Tree Chiropractic

1627 NE Alberta St. #6

Portland, OR 97211

Ph: 503-788-6800

c: 503-889-6204

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Hey and Joe,

I think I read a study in Northwest Brewing News about the hefeweizen

intervention.

Exposure therapy has the best evidence in tx of anxiety. Hypericum (St.

's Wort) may be helpful as well, just make sure they aren't concurrently

on an SSRI or you risk seratonin storm. Then refer to a good psychologist

and develop your referral network.

I haven't seen or heard of any evidence that " adjustments " would be useful

in the treatment of aniety but I would love to hear from others what they

think of that. Excuse me while I move under my desk. I have to laugh as I

think about what may be going on in that patient's mind as they place their

head in the hands of a DC saying " Just relax " as they prepare to thrust on a

rotary break.

Of note, consider that psychologists often take a dim view of untrained

professionals providing psychological services, much in the way that we may

object to untrained folks providing CMT. Indeed the OBCE apparently feels

similarly as I think I remember seeing in the recent Back Talk about a DC

who was reprimanded for such activities using NET.

W. Snell, D.C.

3343 SE Hawthorne Blvd.

Portland, OR 97214

Ph. 503-235-5484

Fax 503-235-3956

>From: Abrahamson <drscott@...>

> " Dr. ph Medlin D.C. "

><deadmed@...>,< >

>Subject: Re: anxiety

>Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:02:07 -0700

>

>4 Bottles of Hefeweitzen taken orally will usually reduce anxiety

>substantially.

>It can have the side effect of making you think you are witty, good

>looking,

>and unusually strong.

>Many patients are willing to put up with the side effects.

>

>Seriously though,

>I have a pt. who is a shrink in anxiety specialty at Kaiser.

>(³Hello, you have reached the Kaiser Anxiety Clinic...lookout behind

>you!!!²)

>People call a lot when the temperature goes above 100 degrees. They think

>they will melt or explode.

>They are often told to ³belly breath².

>It is common to find that people who are attached to biosensors are found

>to

>breath poorly when they are anxious. One leads to the other and possibly

>the

>antithesis of of shallow breathing could calm the anxiety.

>The cost is low.

>

>( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)

>Chiropractic physician

>Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

>315 Second Street

>Lake Oswego, OR 97034

>503-635-6246

>Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

>

>

>

>From: " Dr. ph Medlin D.C. " <deadmed@...>

>Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:19:53 -0700

>< >

>Subject: anxiety

>

> Colleagues,

>any good natural or homeopathic additions to adjustments for addressing

>anxiety???

>thanks a million

>

>

>Dr. ph Medlin D.C.

>Spine Tree Chiropractic

>1627 NE Alberta St. #6

>Portland, OR 97211

>Ph: 503-788-6800

>c: 503-889-6204

>

>

>OregonDCs rules:

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>foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve

>members will be tolerated.

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>3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However,

>it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or

>otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his

>or

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