Re: Symmetrical Tooth Loss

[Guest guest]

Hello

Have you done the Hemex hypercoagulation test panel? Many people with

CFIDS/Lyme have hypercoagulation of the micro-circulation - which includes

the teeth & toes - anywhere the blood vessels are tiny they are more prone

to blockage and reduced circulation. I have nearly zero blood flow to part

of my lower jawbone.

If you have not had the test done - Hemex sold the panel to Estoerix which

is owned by Labcorp. You need to set the testing up thru Esoterix but can

get the blood drawn @ Labcorp. But, it's a very specific panel with very

specific blood draw requirements and the blood must be rec'd within 24 ?

hours for the test results to be valid.

Kendra

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:04 PM, K <d4235@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I've been losing a lot of teeth. OK, but I have been losing them in a very

> peculiar pattern: My right and left sides are now perfectly symmetrical.

> Where there is a tooth on the left, there is a tooth on the right; where

> there is a gap on the left, there is a gap on the right. This is true for

> both my upper teeth and my lower teeth. I emphasize that the match-up is

> perfect; there is not one exception.

>

> The dentist says it is chance, but I think my brushing and flossing cannot

> have been so identical on the two sides as to produce identical patterns of

> decay. So it seems as if it must be something systemic or genetic and/or

> perhaps somehow connected with our disease.

>

> So my question, of course, is whether anyone else has had the same

> experience. If yes, it looks disease-related; if no, then not.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Kolodney

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

What is the current treatment protocol for hypercoagulation?

________________________________

From: Kendra <KCuyler@...>

Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:41 PM

Subject: Re: Symmetrical Tooth Loss

Hello

Have you done the Hemex hypercoagulation test panel?  Many people with

CFIDS/Lyme have hypercoagulation of the micro-circulation - which includes

the teeth & toes - anywhere the blood vessels are tiny they are more prone

to blockage and reduced circulation.  I have nearly zero blood flow to part

of my lower jawbone.

If you have not had the test done - Hemex sold the panel to Estoerix which

is owned by Labcorp.  You need to set the testing up thru Esoterix but can

get the blood drawn @ Labcorp.  But, it's a very specific panel with very

specific blood draw requirements and the blood must be rec'd within 24 ?

hours for the test results to be valid.

Kendra

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:04 PM, K <d4235@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I've been losing a lot of teeth. OK, but I have been losing them in a very

> peculiar pattern: My right and left sides are now perfectly symmetrical.

> Where there is a tooth on the left, there is a tooth on the right; where

> there is a gap on the left, there is a gap on the right. This is true for

> both my upper teeth and my lower teeth. I emphasize that the match-up is

> perfect; there is not one exception.

>

> The dentist says it is chance, but I think my brushing and flossing cannot

> have been so identical on the two sides as to produce identical patterns of

> decay. So it seems as if it must be something systemic or genetic and/or

> perhaps somehow connected with our disease.

>

> So my question, of course, is whether anyone else has had the same

> experience. If yes, it looks disease-related; if no, then not.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Kolodney

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice.  If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Kendra, thank-you for the info.  I am missing 18 teeth and after reading your

email and checking, mine too are completely symmetrical.  Don't know what

that means if anything but it's certainly interesting.  Going to share this

with both my dentist and CFS doctor.  Kay

________________________________

From: Kendra <KCuyler@...>

Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:41 PM

Subject: Re: Symmetrical Tooth Loss

Hello

Have you done the Hemex hypercoagulation test panel?  Many people with

CFIDS/Lyme have hypercoagulation of the micro-circulation - which includes

the teeth & toes - anywhere the blood vessels are tiny they are more prone

to blockage and reduced circulation.  I have nearly zero blood flow to part

of my lower jawbone.

If you have not had the test done - Hemex sold the panel to Estoerix which

is owned by Labcorp.  You need to set the testing up thru Esoterix but can

get the blood drawn @ Labcorp.  But, it's a very specific panel with very

specific blood draw requirements and the blood must be rec'd within 24 ?

hours for the test results to be valid.

Kendra

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:04 PM, K <d4235@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I've been losing a lot of teeth. OK, but I have been losing them in a very

> peculiar pattern: My right and left sides are now perfectly symmetrical.

> Where there is a tooth on the left, there is a tooth on the right; where

> there is a gap on the left, there is a gap on the right. This is true for

> both my upper teeth and my lower teeth. I emphasize that the match-up is

> perfect; there is not one exception.

>

> The dentist says it is chance, but I think my brushing and flossing cannot

> have been so identical on the two sides as to produce identical patterns of

> decay. So it seems as if it must be something systemic or genetic and/or

> perhaps somehow connected with our disease.

>

> So my question, of course, is whether anyone else has had the same

> experience. If yes, it looks disease-related; if no, then not.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Kolodney

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice.  If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Have you considered that it is related to the body's meridians?

I know some people don't put stock in this but I do. It is based on the chinese

meridians which has been around years and years and years.

If you google the terms, you will find a chart that links your teeth to various

body systems. I have lost teeth and about to lose teeth, symmetrically, in

those organs that I know from other testing I am having issues with, so I think

that is the connection. Similar to shiatsu and other types of acupuncture and

acupressure.

Just my personal opinion.

Marti

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I've been losing a lot of teeth. OK, but I have been losing them in a very

> > peculiar pattern: My right and left sides are now perfectly symmetrical.

> > Where there is a tooth on the left, there is a tooth on the right; where

> > there is a gap on the left, there is a gap on the right. This is true for

> > both my upper teeth and my lower teeth. I emphasize that the match-up is

> > perfect; there is not one exception.

> >

> > The dentist says it is chance, but I think my brushing and flossing cannot

> > have been so identical on the two sides as to produce identical patterns of

> > decay. So it seems as if it must be something systemic or genetic and/or

> > perhaps somehow connected with our disease.

> >

> > So my question, of course, is whether anyone else has had the same

> > experience. If yes, it looks disease-related; if no, then not.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Kolodney

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> > other, not to give medical advice.  If you are interested in any treatment

> > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Just remember with all this dental talk---------unless your under the care of

nontoxic dentist do NOT have major work done. 18 teeth gone---I would be

considering having all removed----with nontoxic replacement. But that is just

me!!

God Bless,

Sara

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I've been losing a lot of teeth. OK, but I have been losing them in a very

> > > peculiar pattern: My right and left sides are now perfectly symmetrical.

> > > Where there is a tooth on the left, there is a tooth on the right; where

> > > there is a gap on the left, there is a gap on the right. This is true for

> > > both my upper teeth and my lower teeth. I emphasize that the match-up is

> > > perfect; there is not one exception.

> > >

> > > The dentist says it is chance, but I think my brushing and flossing cannot

> > > have been so identical on the two sides as to produce identical patterns

of

> > > decay. So it seems as if it must be something systemic or genetic and/or

> > > perhaps somehow connected with our disease.

> > >

> > > So my question, of course, is whether anyone else has had the same

> > > experience. If yes, it looks disease-related; if no, then not.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > > Kolodney

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> > > other, not to give medical advice.  If you are interested in any

treatment

> > > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Wow. Even _one_ more case makes me think it can't be random.

The teeth were pulled, over my lifetime, but in a rush the last few years.

Three abscesses were also involved

I have not had these tests done.

Thanks all!

> > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I've been losing a lot of teeth. OK, but I have been losing them in a

very

> > > > peculiar pattern: My right and left sides are now perfectly symmetrical.

> > > > Where there is a tooth on the left, there is a tooth on the right; where

> > > > there is a gap on the left, there is a gap on the right. This is true

for

> > > > both my upper teeth and my lower teeth. I emphasize that the match-up is

> > > > perfect; there is not one exception.

> > > >

> > > > The dentist says it is chance, but I think my brushing and flossing

cannot

> > > > have been so identical on the two sides as to produce identical patterns

of

> > > > decay. So it seems as if it must be something systemic or genetic and/or

> > > > perhaps somehow connected with our disease.

> > > >

> > > > So my question, of course, is whether anyone else has had the same

> > > > experience. If yes, it looks disease-related; if no, then not.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!

> > > >

> > > > Kolodney

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

each

> > > > other, not to give medical advice.  If you are interested in any

treatment

> > > > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

It seems that symmetrical tooth loss is often the case:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6957591

Periodontal disease appears to be bilaterally symmetrical and tooth loss

> response emulated this pattern

>

Confirmation of symmetrical distributions of clinical attachment loss and

tooth loss in a homogeneous Mexican adult male

population<http://www.e-jds.com/article/S1991-7902%2810%2960018-9/abstract>

Tooth loss and attachment loss measurements largely resemble each other on

> both sides of the mouth.

>

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:04 PM, K <d4235@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I've been losing a lot of teeth. OK, but I have been losing them in a very

> peculiar pattern: My right and left sides are now perfectly symmetrical.

> Where there is a tooth on the left, there is a tooth on the right; where

> there is a gap on the left, there is a gap on the right. This is true for

> both my upper teeth and my lower teeth. I emphasize that the match-up is

> perfect; there is not one exception.

>

> The dentist says it is chance, but I think my brushing and flossing cannot

> have been so identical on the two sides as to produce identical patterns of

> decay. So it seems as if it must be something systemic or genetic and/or

> perhaps somehow connected with our disease.

>

> So my question, of course, is whether anyone else has had the same

> experience. If yes, it looks disease-related; if no, then not.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Kolodney

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

I have this tooth loss too. It is a little weird.

Rosie/Florida

ROSIE

-- Re: Symmetrical Tooth Loss

It seems that symmetrical tooth loss is often the case:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6957591

Periodontal disease appears to be bilaterally symmetrical and tooth loss

> response emulated this pattern

>

Confirmation of symmetrical distributions of clinical attachment loss and

tooth loss in a homogeneous Mexican adult male

population<http://www.e-jds.com/article/S1991-7902%2810%2960018-9/abstract>

Tooth loss and attachment loss measurements largely resemble each other on

> both sides of the mouth.

>

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:04 PM, K <d4235@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I've been losing a lot of teeth. OK, but I have been losing them in a very

> peculiar pattern: My right and left sides are now perfectly symmetrical.

> Where there is a tooth on the left, there is a tooth on the right; where

> there is a gap on the left, there is a gap on the right. This is true for

> both my upper teeth and my lower teeth. I emphasize that the match-up is

> perfect; there is not one exception.

>

> The dentist says it is chance, but I think my brushing and flossing cannot

> have been so identical on the two sides as to produce identical patterns

of

> decay. So it seems as if it must be something systemic or genetic and/or

> perhaps somehow connected with our disease.

>

> So my question, of course, is whether anyone else has had the same

> experience. If yes, it looks disease-related; if no, then not.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Kolodney

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Are you able to find dentists who have some familiarity with ME patients and

familiar with possible osteomyelitis? If so, I could use a recommendation for

the Sacramento, California area.

Thanks, Steve

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I've been losing a lot of teeth. OK, but I have been losing them in a very

> > peculiar pattern: My right and left sides are now perfectly symmetrical.

> > Where there is a tooth on the left, there is a tooth on the right; where

> > there is a gap on the left, there is a gap on the right. This is true for

> > both my upper teeth and my lower teeth. I emphasize that the match-up is

> > perfect; there is not one exception.

> >

> > The dentist says it is chance, but I think my brushing and flossing cannot

> > have been so identical on the two sides as to produce identical patterns

> of

> > decay. So it seems as if it must be something systemic or genetic and/or

> > perhaps somehow connected with our disease.

> >

> > So my question, of course, is whether anyone else has had the same

> > experience. If yes, it looks disease-related; if no, then not.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Kolodney

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Steve, I see Grivas in Sacramento. I don't know if he has alot of

knowledge of osteomyelitis, per se, but he and office staff seem very

accomodating and sympathetic. He's fairly young, and is into Biologic Dentistry,

ie: NO METAL AMALGAMS! He is working on getting all of mine replaced. He also

does cosmetic dentistry, but I'm in no position for that luxury.

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I've been losing a lot of teeth. OK, but I have been losing them in a very

> > > peculiar pattern: My right and left sides are now perfectly symmetrical.

> > > Where there is a tooth on the left, there is a tooth on the right; where

> > > there is a gap on the left, there is a gap on the right. This is true for

> > > both my upper teeth and my lower teeth. I emphasize that the match-up is

> > > perfect; there is not one exception.

> > >

> > > The dentist says it is chance, but I think my brushing and flossing cannot

> > > have been so identical on the two sides as to produce identical patterns

> > of

> > > decay. So it seems as if it must be something systemic or genetic and/or

> > > perhaps somehow connected with our disease.

> > >

> > > So my question, of course, is whether anyone else has had the same

> > > experience. If yes, it looks disease-related; if no, then not.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > > Kolodney

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> > > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> > > discussed here, please consult your doctor.