Re: How do you get your protein?

[Guest guest]

I generally don't have digestive problems, so I don't know if my

answer will help you. What works best for me for protein is a couple

boiled eggs for breakfast, and some baked chicken or fish in the

evening for supper. (I bake the fish in a parchement paper envelope

with a few herbs and spices, and it comes out yummy.)

Marcia on

in Salem, Massachusetts

On Dec 8, 2011, at 7:39 PM, sy.sherlock@... wrote:

> Anybody else have a difficult time finding a way to get enough

> protein that you can digest and not react to? What have you had

> success with?

>

>

[Guest guest]

You need to heal your gut and/or you may have low stomach acid problem..There

were times when I could not consume any animal protein at all.After working on

gut problems and with some digestive support I can now consume some animal

protein.I still can not consume beef but can take some lamb,fish and chicken.

best wishes.

nil

How do you get your protein?

Anybody else have a difficult time finding a way to get enough protein that

you can digest and not react to? What have you had success with?

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[Guest guest]

Yes indeed Its a problem because I am a vegetarian as well as picky. I was

thinking about trying egg white protein but confused. Trying to avoid high

oxalates so that cuts out all beans which is what I would usually eat for

protein.

>

> Anybody else have a difficult time finding a way to get enough protein that

you can digest and not react to? What have you had success with?

>

[Guest guest]

Animal protein has been one of the things I can often digest and not react to.

 

It's been a different story with grains, many fruits and vegetables. Although

I've tried all the normal regimes with limited success and different decades of

this disease have had different food intolerance's.

 

Betaine HCL has been useful for me when animal protein makes my stomach feel

stuck or bloated.

 

Kindest regards,

Annette

[Guest guest]

I actually do really well with beef. I am allergic to chicken so eat it

rarely (used to do hard-boiled eggs all the time, no longer, although I

can do duck and quail eggs). I can eat turkey. I like lamb but it gives

me gas. I can eat some fish (salmon, steelhead, trout) but don't really

like a lot of it. I do better on protein. When I first was doing my food

allergy rotation diet the proper way (started this version in 2003) I

was hungry all the time because I was off most carbs and grains due to

food allergies or sensitivities (no rice, soy, corn so no complimentary

proteins such as rice and beans). I eat a lot of raw nuts (love cashews,

pecans, almonds, pine nuts, walnuts). However, I was still craving

something, I was grazing all the time trying to find things that worked

and helped my body, and it was protein in the form of meats, especially

beef. I was a vegetarian for 15 years but found out I was hurting myself

with all the allergies to the things I was eating. I love fruit and

nuts especially. I do some milk products for protein but am careful how

much (used to drink milk all the time growing up) as it increases my

sinusitis issues. I found a Mexican (although made in the USA) milk

smoothie that tastes good and doesn't have a lot of junk in it. Most

protein drinks are either horrid, have a lot of junk and additives, or

use stevia which I cannot tolerate, or use soy which I am allergic to.

in La Selva Beach CA (near Santa Cruz CA)

59 years young, CFS now FMS for ages

On 12/8/2011 4:39 PM, sy.sherlock@... wrote:

>

> Anybody else have a difficult time finding a way to get enough protein

> that you can digest and not react to? What have you had success with?

>

> __._

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

Animal protein is the hardest for me to digest. Then fats then carbs.

I am finding that beef liver is the easiest thing for my body to digest, then

pea protein shakes (or pea/soy/rice - like Spirutein). Then eggs (limited).

I wish I could eat more vegetables. I can digest chicken as long as it's breast

and in soup (simmered long).

Beans and rice of any kind are good too as long as it's together and I don't

overdo.

Fish is easy to digest but I don't buy it often due to the expense and the

potential heavy metal content.

I take prescription strength pancreatic enzymes just to do the above.

I do great on a liquid diet - soups, jello, shakes but that's due to my chronic

pancreatitis. I have also discovered that I react to gluten and other grains.

If I overdo, it triggers my urticaria.

I have recently discovered that if I forgo my nightly gluten free bisquit with

jam, I can wake up earlier and think much more clearly. Very sad...

Marti

>

> Animal protein has been one of the things I can often digest and not react to.

>  

> It's been a different story with grains, many fruits and vegetables. Although

I've tried all the normal regimes with limited success and different decades of

this disease have had different food intolerance's.

>  

> Betaine HCL has been useful for me when animal protein makes my stomach feel

stuck or bloated.

>  

> Kindest regards,

> Annette

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have a very hard time consuming enough protein. I can consume small

amounts of most things, but not substantial amounts. I can never eat a

substantial amount of turkey (sucks during Thanksgiving). I usually am

okay with Beef and Chicken, but not when my nausea gets really severe

(protein doesn't exacerbate the nausea, but it does calls stomach

pain). I suffer from unrelenting 24/7 nausea ( " treated " with

dronabinol and Zofran). Chicken is also much easier for me to eat than

Beef. I've never tried lamb and don't like fish, so I can't comment on

those two.

Do you know what causes your problems with digesting certain foods? Do

you believe it to be Fibro/CFIDS related?

I take omeprazole for GERD (lowers stomach acid) and I never thought

about it before, but I did have more stomach pain when my Prilosec

dose was higher (varies between 0mg, 20mg, 40mg & 60mg depending on

symptoms)

Steve M in PA

On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 4:25 AM, nil <cindiwonderer@...> wrote:

You need to heal your gut and/or you may have low stomach acid

problem..There were times when I could not consume any animal protein

at all.After working on gut problems and with some digestive support I

can now consume some animal protein.I still can not consume beef but

can take some lamb,fish and chicken.

best wishes.

nil

[Guest guest]

To all of you wrestling with digestive issues, how many of you have

tried probiotics? Do they help?

Marcia on

in Salem, Massachusetts

On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:44 AM, M. wrote:

> I have a very hard time consuming enough protein. I can consume small

> amounts of most things, but not substantial amounts. I can never eat a

> substantial amount of turkey (sucks during Thanksgiving). I usually am

> okay with Beef and Chicken, but not when my nausea gets really severe

> (protein doesn't exacerbate the nausea, but it does calls stomach

> pain). I suffer from unrelenting 24/7 nausea ( " treated " with

> dronabinol and Zofran). Chicken is also much easier for me to eat than

> Beef. I've never tried lamb and don't like fish, so I can't comment on

> those two.

>

> Do you know what causes your problems with digesting certain foods? Do

> you believe it to be Fibro/CFIDS related?

>

> I take omeprazole for GERD (lowers stomach acid) and I never thought

> about it before, but I did have more stomach pain when my Prilosec

> dose was higher (varies between 0mg, 20mg, 40mg & 60mg depending on

> symptoms)

>

> Steve M in PA

>

> On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 4:25 AM, nil <cindiwonderer@...> wrote:

> You need to heal your gut and/or you may have low stomach acid

> problem..There were times when I could not consume any animal protein

> at all.After working on gut problems and with some digestive support I

> can now consume some animal protein.I still can not consume beef but

> can take some lamb,fish and chicken.

> best wishes.

> nil

>

[Guest guest]

i would like at thyroid issues or liver congestions.

Re: How do you get your protein?

To all of you wrestling with digestive issues, how many of you have

tried probiotics? Do they help?

Marcia on

in Salem, Massachusetts

On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:44 AM, M. wrote:

> I have a very hard time consuming enough protein. I can consume small

> amounts of most things, but not substantial amounts. I can never eat a

> substantial amount of turkey (sucks during Thanksgiving). I usually am

> okay with Beef and Chicken, but not when my nausea gets really severe

> (protein doesn't exacerbate the nausea, but it does calls stomach

> pain). I suffer from unrelenting 24/7 nausea ( " treated " with

> dronabinol and Zofran). Chicken is also much easier for me to eat than

> Beef. I've never tried lamb and don't like fish, so I can't comment on

> those two.

>

> Do you know what causes your problems with digesting certain foods? Do

> you believe it to be Fibro/CFIDS related?

>

> I take omeprazole for GERD (lowers stomach acid) and I never thought

> about it before, but I did have more stomach pain when my Prilosec

> dose was higher (varies between 0mg, 20mg, 40mg & 60mg depending on

> symptoms)

>

> Steve M in PA

>

> On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 4:25 AM, nil <cindiwonderer@...> wrote:

> You need to heal your gut and/or you may have low stomach acid

> problem..There were times when I could not consume any animal protein

> at all.After working on gut problems and with some digestive support I

> can now consume some animal protein.I still can not consume beef but

> can take some lamb,fish and chicken.

> best wishes.

> nil

>

[Guest guest]

Are beans really that high in oxalates? I am far from expert on the subject but

I have read some stuff about oxalates and try to avoid the really high things

like spinach, chard, etc. That is due to having had a kidney stone. It is the

total oxalate content of a meal that is important, a small amount of something

high can be balanced out by lots of a low food. That's just a general principle

for anything you have a problem with in high quantities but not small. Stuff you

have to avoid completely is another story ...

I've heard that quinoa is a good balanced protein source and I'd like to try

more of it. I have a hard time doing much cooking though. I recently added

chicken back to my diet because I was concerned about not getting enough good

food. I'm going to try to get the natural type only but its hard since the

closest health food store closed and I have limited access to a car.

Beverly

Yes indeed Its a problem because I am a vegetarian as well as picky. I was

thinking about trying egg white protein but confused. Trying to avoid high

oxalates so that cuts out all beans which is what I would usually eat for

protein.

>

> Anybody else have a difficult time finding a way to get enough protein that

you can digest and not react to? What have you had success with?

>

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[Guest guest]

It is not so much a digestion problem (I already take HCL and enzymes with each

meal, and lecithin with fat containing meals, and various other things to help

with digestion/assimilation), but allergies (true immune response) and

sensitivities, including problems with anything unnatural done in raising or

processing the animal. The more often I eat a particular item, the more likely

I'll develop an allergy or sensitivity to it. Every time I get an allergy test

done I'm allergic to just about everything I'm eating. I used to do well with

grass fed beef, now I'm reacting to it like it is an allergy, so I need to get

more creative. In trying other things (like Pheasant) I find that some are

okay, but others (though no real labeling difference) I have a strong reaction

to it (a particular pain) like it was pumped full of hormones. I would have

thought something like Pheasant would be a true wild game food that would be

untouched by companies that like to muck up food (like chicken being dipped in

arsenic).

I do have CFIDS (not Fibro), but I'm not clear on how that relates to this. Do

you have information about this?

>

> Do you know what causes your problems with digesting certain foods? Do

> you believe it to be Fibro/CFIDS related?

>

[Guest guest]

I keep trying different ones, all but one have not done a thing.

VSL#1 helps, but only for a particular problem I had where I was dumping a whole

lot of oxalates. Other than that, I didn't notice anything.

What helps more is lacto-fermented foods, in particular those I have made myself

or made locally. More live bacteria that way. Raw sauerkraut, beet kvass,

kefir, clabbered milk, etc.

I heard about a new product, though, that I just ordered today that is supposed

to be so strong that many people have to take just one drop (or less by diluting

with water). I heard about it in reference to a biofilm dissolving protocol for

Lyme and co-infections. It's the Living Streams Probiotic. Hope it helps. I

could use something easy to take and requires no energy to make (unlike the

lacto-fermented foods).

>

> To all of you wrestling with digestive issues, how many of you have

> tried probiotics? Do they help?

>

[Guest guest]

{Moderator: I think the poster meant to say " look " at thyroid issues or liver

congestion " }

.... um, what?

What you said is not clear to me.

M.

On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:18 PM, seabluedolphin16@... wrote:

> i would like at thyroid issues or liver congestions.

>

>

> Re: How do you get your protein?

>

> To all of you wrestling with digestive issues, how many of you have

> tried probiotics? Do they help?

>

> Marcia on

> in Salem, Massachusetts

>

> On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:44 AM, M. wrote:

>

> > I have a very hard time consuming enough protein. I can consume

> small

> > amounts of most things, but not substantial amounts. I can never

> eat a

> > substantial amount of turkey (sucks during Thanksgiving). I

> usually am

> > okay with Beef and Chicken, but not when my nausea gets really

> severe

> > (protein doesn't exacerbate the nausea, but it does calls stomach

> > pain). I suffer from unrelenting 24/7 nausea ( " treated " with

> > dronabinol and Zofran). Chicken is also much easier for me to eat

> than

> > Beef. I've never tried lamb and don't like fish, so I can't

> comment on

> > those two.

> >

> > Do you know what causes your problems with digesting certain

> foods? Do

> > you believe it to be Fibro/CFIDS related?

> >

> > I take omeprazole for GERD (lowers stomach acid) and I never thought

> > about it before, but I did have more stomach pain when my Prilosec

> > dose was higher (varies between 0mg, 20mg, 40mg & 60mg depending on

> > symptoms)

> >

> > Steve M in PA

> >

> > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 4:25 AM, nil <cindiwonderer@...>

> wrote:

> > You need to heal your gut and/or you may have low stomach acid

> > problem..There were times when I could not consume any animal

> protein

> > at all.After working on gut problems and with some digestive

> support I

> > can now consume some animal protein.I still can not consume beef but

> > can take some lamb,fish and chicken.

> > best wishes.

> > nil

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

The 3 things that have helped me the most are LDN, Bubbies Pickles and

Kefir...........I can now eat whatever I want without any stomach upsets and

digestion problems. I also eat natural organic apple cider vinegar on salad and

lemon juice in tea.

> > You need to heal your gut and/or you may have low stomach acid

> > problem..There were times when I could not consume any animal protein

> > at all.After working on gut problems and with some digestive support I

> > can now consume some animal protein.I still can not consume beef but

> > can take some lamb,fish and chicken.

> > best wishes.

> > nil

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes most bean are high oxalates......except black eyed peas. Red lintels are

moderately low so I eat those quite a bit.........I too do not have the energy

to cook and the red lintels cook super fast with no fussy soaking. I think

green/brown lintels are moderately low but they take longer to cook. If I

remember correctly chick peas are medium -low so I throw them in salads.

> >

> > Anybody else have a difficult time finding a way to get enough protein

that you can digest and not react to? What have you had success with?

> >

>

>

>

>

> Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been trying to get more fermented foods into my diet also. Bought

sauerkraut at the store, then realized it had been pasteurized... oh

well. Still tasty, just not as good for my gut as I'd hoped.

M.

On Dec 13, 2011, at 6:15 PM, sy.sherlock@... wrote:

> I keep trying different ones, all but one have not done a thing.

>

> VSL#1 helps, but only for a particular problem I had where I was

> dumping a whole lot of oxalates. Other than that, I didn't notice

> anything.

>

> What helps more is lacto-fermented foods, in particular those I have

> made myself or made locally. More live bacteria that way. Raw

> sauerkraut, beet kvass, kefir, clabbered milk, etc.

>

> I heard about a new product, though, that I just ordered today that

> is supposed to be so strong that many people have to take just one

> drop (or less by diluting with water). I heard about it in reference

> to a biofilm dissolving protocol for Lyme and co-infections. It's

> the Living Streams Probiotic. Hope it helps. I could use something

> easy to take and requires no energy to make (unlike the lacto-

> fermented foods).

>

>

> >

> > To all of you wrestling with digestive issues, how many of you have

> > tried probiotics? Do they help?

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just saw Dr. Deckoff- and she recommends The Specific Carbohydrate

Diet for healing your stomach. As part of this eating plan, you make your own

yogurt which gives you 50X the amount of probiotics. The process of making the

yogurt decreases or totally rids the milk of lactose for those of us who are

lactose intolerant. I just ordered a yogurt maker.

> >

> > Anybody else have a difficult time finding a way to get enough protein that

you can digest and not react to? What have you had success with?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Marcia,

Raw organic unpateurized sauerkrat with sea salt is excellent for the gut. For

some of us it can take many months before it starts to show positive effects.

I like it better than kefir, it seems to have a more permanent effect.

Nat

>

> I've been trying to get more fermented foods into my diet also. Bought

> sauerkraut at the store, then realized it had been pasteurized... oh

> well. Still tasty, just not as good for my gut as I'd hoped.

>

> M.

>

[Guest guest]

Bubbies sauerkraut is fermented but it is also lightly pasteurized. Their

pickles are not pasteurized though nor are their tomatoes. The tomatoes have

the highest count of live probiotics followed by the pickles then the

sauerkraut. I started with the sauerkraut and even though they are now lightly

pasteurized they still helped my digestion. I now eat their pickle relish as I

can quickly eat a couple of teaspoons every day.

Making your own fermented veggies, kefir and yogurt is best I just dont have the

time and energy for that. You can order live starter cultures on the internet

with many different strains of probiotics. For those that dont want to do dairy

kefir, you can make water kefir that results in a naturally carbonated

refreshing drink chock full of probiotics.

I just prefer to get my probiotics from naturally fermented foods rather than a

pill. I would love to have the energy to make my own but as I dont Bubbies

pickles, kefir, lemon juice, natural apple cider vinegar, and LDN seems to do

the job for me.

> > >

> > > To all of you wrestling with digestive issues, how many of you have

> > > tried probiotics? Do they help?

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nat, do you buy yours somewhere, or make it yourself?

M.

On Dec 14, 2011, at 5:00 PM, natellite wrote:

> Marcia,

>

> Raw organic unpateurized sauerkrat with sea salt is excellent for

> the gut. For some of us it can take many months before it starts to

> show positive effects. I like it better than kefir, it seems to have

> a more permanent effect.

>

> Nat

>

>

> >

> > I've been trying to get more fermented foods into my diet also.

> Bought

> > sauerkraut at the store, then realized it had been pasteurized... oh

> > well. Still tasty, just not as good for my gut as I'd hoped.

> >

> > M.

>

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marcia, I was considering buying a Harsch crock pot to make it myself but

decided it would be easier to buy the sauerkraut from the health food store. I

asked the store owner to keep it stocked because I love it. The brand I

buy is Karthein's Organic with added probiotics.

The difference I found with the Kefir and Sauerkraut is that with the Kefir I go

back to square one when I stop, with the Sauerkraut I can stop eating it for a

month and my digestive and bm stay normal, it seems to have a more permanent

healing.

I highly recommend it.

Nat

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve

My problem is caused by low stomach acid and I think it is related to cfs.I do

not have stomach pain though. I feel toxic after consuming animal protein. My

apatite totally goes away and I do not wish to eat much,I also have skin

eruptions after consuming beef.

best wishes

nil

Re: How do you get your protein?

I have a very hard time consuming enough protein. I can consume small

amounts of most things, but not substantial amounts. I can never eat a

substantial amount of turkey (sucks during Thanksgiving). I usually am

okay with Beef and Chicken, but not when my nausea gets really severe

(protein doesn't exacerbate the nausea, but it does calls stomach

pain). I suffer from unrelenting 24/7 nausea ( "

[Guest guest]

You may wish to make some search on increased gut permeability.

Best wishes

nil

Re: How do you get your protein?

It is not so much a digestion problem (I already take HCL and enzymes with

each meal, and lecithin with fat containing meals, and various other things to

help with digestion/assimilation), but allergies (true immune response) and

sensitivities, including problems with anything unnatural done in raising or

processing the animal. The more often I eat a particular item, the more likely

I'll develop an allergy or sensitivity to it. Every time I get an allergy test

done I'm allergic to just about everything I'm