HIgher Incidence of CFS among victims of Child Abuse

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Steve wrote:

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Reeves is an author. No need to say more.

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Reeves is a Doctor

This was an extract from Journal: Arch Gen Psychiatry 2009

On May 9, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Teewinot wrote:

> Steve wrote:

>

> >

http://www.endfatigue.com/health_articles_c/Cfs_fm-child_abuse_can_lead_to_cfs_f\

ibromyalgia.html

>

> Reeves is an author. No need to say more.

>

> Jeri <teewinot13@...>

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Hi Steve,

While Reeves is a doctor (a psychiatrist), he is still Public Enemy #1 for our

population.

He believes that ME/CFIDS is a psycho-somatic illness. It is not a physical

illness but mental illness.

While childhood trauma may be a factor in developing the illness, this paper

does nothing to help us but rather hurts the research efforts.

Reeves has been in charge of the research dollars CDC/NIH and I believe has been

removed due to funneling money to other projects.

Since politics isn't allowed on this forum, please research his name/work. I

think you will find that you will no longer be posting his work on this forum.

Marti

> >

> > >

http://www.endfatigue.com/health_articles_c/Cfs_fm-child_abuse_can_lead_to_cfs_f\

ibromyalgia.html

> >

> > Reeves is an author. No need to say more.

> >

> > Jeri <teewinot13@...>

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> > http://www.thetenthparadigm.org

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Interesting

I did not know that about Reeves and his bent ,,,, Thanks

The article was still helpful to me as it shows how trauma can affect

the body

While I think an ideal life would minimize CFS healthy support systems

healthy outlook etc I don't think it will " cure " it .

Diet ,air, water. our own genetics ,infectious agents and emotional

health I think all play a part

Steve

On May 9, 2011, at 2:33 PM, marti_zavala wrote:

> Hi Steve,

> While Reeves is a doctor (a psychiatrist), he is still Public Enemy

> #1 for our population.

>

> He believes that ME/CFIDS is a psycho-somatic illness. It is not a

> physical illness but mental illness.

>

> While childhood trauma may be a factor in developing the illness,

> this paper does nothing to help us but rather hurts the research

> efforts.

>

> Reeves has been in charge of the research dollars CDC/NIH and I

> believe has been removed due to funneling money to other projects.

>

> Since politics isn't allowed on this forum, please research his name/

> work. I think you will find that you will no longer be posting his

> work on this forum.

>

> Marti

>

>

> > >

> > > >

http://www.endfatigue.com/health_articles_c/Cfs_fm-child_abuse_can_lead_to_cfs_f\

ibromyalgia.html

> > >

> > > Reeves is an author. No need to say more.

> > >

> > > Jeri <teewinot13@...>

> > > @>--->---->-------------------<----<---<@

> > > Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group:

> > > TenthParadigmSociety

> > > @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------

> <----------

> > > <@

> > > The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/

> ETC.:

> > > http://www.thetenthparadigm.org

> > > @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------

> <----------

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S B wrote:

> Reeves is a Doctor

I *said* that Reeves is an *author* on this article. He is a

psychiatrist. He does *NOT* believe that CFS is a disease. He believes

it is a *MENTAL DISORDER*, which it is not. Nothing more needs to be

said when Reeves name is attached to a piece of research. Anyone that

knows this man's antics knows that.

> This was an extract from Journal: Arch Gen Psychiatry 2009

My point exactly!

> On May 9, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Teewinot wrote:

>> Reeves is an author. No need to say more.

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No need to shout

It doesn't make your point any more weighty

I have already stated my response to Marti's comment

If this is going to turn in to some kind of religious debate count me

out

On May 9, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Teewinot wrote:

> S B wrote:

>

> > Reeves is a Doctor

>

> I *said* that Reeves is an *author* on this article. He is a

> psychiatrist. He does *NOT* believe that CFS is a disease. He believes

> it is a *MENTAL DISORDER*, which it is not. Nothing more needs to be

> said when Reeves name is attached to a piece of research. Anyone that

> knows this man's antics knows that.

>

> > This was an extract from Journal: Arch Gen Psychiatry 2009

>

> My point exactly!

>

> > On May 9, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Teewinot wrote:

>

> >> Reeves is an author. No need to say more.

>

> Jeri <teewinot13@...>

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> http://www.thetenthparadigm.org

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> <@

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Hi Marti,

He may not believe that it is wholly a psycho-somatic illness. please read the

study I just read yesterday on a forum about three genes being linked to cfs

which would make it entierly out of peoples control.

www.depressionforums.org/forums/topic/4998-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-linked-to-th\

ree-genes/

> > >

> > > >

http://www.endfatigue.com/health_articles_c/Cfs_fm-child_abuse_can_lead_to_cfs_f\

ibromyalgia.html

> > >

> > > Reeves is an author. No need to say more.

> > >

> > > Jeri <teewinot13@>

> > > @>--->---->-------------------<----<---<@

> > > Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group:

> > > TenthParadigmSociety

> > > @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------

> > > <@

> > > The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.:

> > > http://www.thetenthparadigm.org

> > > @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------

> > > <@

> > > MCS-Florida - For All Chemically Sensitive Floridians

> > > MCS-Florida

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Grant wrote:

> He may not believe that it is wholly a psycho-somatic illness. please read the

study I just read yesterday on a forum about three genes being linked to cfs

which would make it entierly out of peoples control.

www.depressionforums.org/forums/topic/4998-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-linked-to-th\

ree-genes/

Again, the problem with Reeves is that he uses " CFS patients " that do

not really have CFS. He doesn't used the accepted criteria for defining

who has CFS. You have to remember he has an ulterior motive, which is

to prove CFS is a mental illness. And why weren't the papers released

for scrutiny?

Too many people do not know how to properly evaluate a piece of

research. You cannot take it at face value. You need to critically

analyze the paper by asking: What type of study was it? Who funded the

research? Was the subject sample properly chosen? What criteria were

used? Is the subject sample large enough? Who conducted the research?

What are their prejudices and their agenda? Who do they represent?

Was the research conducted properly? Was it control matched? Was it

double blind? Etc.

Two perfect recent examples come to mind:

Vitamin E study of a couple years ago, concluded that Vitamin E is

dangerous and can cause cancer. I heard this on the news. I thought

this sounded crazy and did some research. Turns out the study was

retrospective. It looked at 19 other studies that had already been

done. The new study was paid for by a pharmaceutical company who had

vested interest in having Vitamin E look bad, since they are marketing a

competing drug. As it turned out, the research that showed Vitamin E to

be harmful had used synthetic Vitamin E, which is not utilized by the

body in the same manner as natural Vitamin E and can indeed cause

problems. None of this was reported on the news. People started to

panic and stop taking Vitamin E, exactly what the pharmaceutical company

wanted. They count on laymen not knowing how to evaluate studies and

believing everything they hear on the news or read on the internet.

The recent calcium supplement study (last month) that says calcium

supplements cause heart disease and heart attack. This is a debate

that's been going on since at least 2007. This latest study again was

not properly reported. The correct conclusion is that people who start

taking calcium supplements later in life have this increased risk.

Those who started years prior do not. They do not know why and have

said that more research is necessary. The news did not report this and

people started panicking and giving up their calcium supplements. I've

been taking them for over 20 years and am not about to stop. I even

wrote my local news affiliate and took them to task on their poor reporting.

So, before you jump to conclusions about any research paper, you need to

do your own research.

Jeri <teewinot13@...>

@>--->---->-------------------<----<---<@

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TenthParadigmSociety

@>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@

The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.:

http://www.thetenthparadigm.org

@>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@

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why is this even a surprise? people with abusive backgrounds tend to be drawn to

more abusive, promiscuous people, and perhaps are not as careful at taking care

of themselves. this might account for at least some of the people who were

infected sexually.

> He may not believe that it is wholly a psycho-somatic illness. please read the

study I just read yesterday on a forum about three genes being linked to cfs

which would make it entierly out of peoples control.

www.depressionforums.org/forums/topic/4998-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-linked-to-th\

ree-genes/

Again, the problem with Reeves is that he uses " CFS patients " that do

not really have CFS. He doesn't used the accepted criteria for defining

who has CFS. You have to remember he has an ulterior motive, which is

to prove CFS is a mental illness. And why weren't the papers released

for scrutiny?

Too many people do not know how to properly evaluate a piece of

research. You cannot take it at face value. You need to critically

analyze the paper by asking: What type of study was it? Who funded the

research? Was the subject sample properly chosen? What criteria were

used? Is the subject sample large enough? Who conducted the research?

What are their prejudices and their agenda? Who do they represent?

Was the research conducted properly? Was it control matched? Was it

double blind? Etc.

Two perfect recent examples come to mind:

Vitamin E study of a couple years ago, concluded that Vitamin E is

dangerous and can cause cancer. I heard this on the news. I thought

this sounded crazy and did some research. Turns out the study was

retrospective. It looked at 19 other studies that had already been

done. The new study was paid for by a pharmaceutical company who had

vested interest in having Vitamin E look bad, since they are marketing a

competing drug. As it turned out, the research that showed Vitamin E to

be harmful had used synthetic Vitamin E, which is not utilized by the

body in the same manner as natural Vitamin E and can indeed cause

problems. None of this was reported on the news. People started to

panic and stop taking Vitamin E, exactly what the pharmaceutical company

wanted. They count on laymen not knowing how to evaluate studies and

believing everything they hear on the news or read on the internet.

The recent calcium supplement study (last month) that says calcium

supplements cause heart disease and heart attack. This is a debate

that's been going on since at least 2007. This latest study again was

not properly reported. The correct conclusion is that people who start

taking calcium supplements later in life have this increased risk.

Those who started years prior do not. They do not know why and have

said that more research is necessary. The news did not report this and

people started panicking and giving up their calcium supplements. I've

been taking them for over 20 years and am not about to stop. I even

wrote my local news affiliate and took them to task on their poor reporting.

So, before you jump to conclusions about any research paper, you need to

do your own research.

Jeri <teewinot13@...>

@>--->---->-------------------<----<---<@

Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group:

TenthParadigmSociety

@>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@

The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.:

http://www.thetenthparadigm.org

@>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------<@

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Chronic Trauma can alter gene expression weaken the immune system

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On May 10, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Sue wrote:

> why is this even a surprise? people with abusive backgrounds tend to

> be drawn to more abusive, promiscuous people, and perhaps are not as

> careful at taking care of themselves. this might account for at

> least some of the people who were infected sexually.

>

>

>

> > He may not believe that it is wholly a psycho-somatic illness.

> please read the study I just read yesterday on a forum about three

> genes being linked to cfs which would make it entierly out of

> peoples control.

www.depressionforums.org/forums/topic/4998-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-linked-to-th\

ree-genes/

>

> Again, the problem with Reeves is that he uses " CFS patients " that do

> not really have CFS. He doesn't used the accepted criteria for

> defining

> who has CFS. You have to remember he has an ulterior motive, which is

> to prove CFS is a mental illness. And why weren't the papers released

> for scrutiny?

>

> Too many people do not know how to properly evaluate a piece of

> research. You cannot take it at face value. You need to critically

> analyze the paper by asking: What type of study was it? Who funded the

> research? Was the subject sample properly chosen? What criteria were

> used? Is the subject sample large enough? Who conducted the research?

> What are their prejudices and their agenda? Who do they represent?

> Was the research conducted properly? Was it control matched? Was it

> double blind? Etc.

>

> Two perfect recent examples come to mind:

>

> Vitamin E study of a couple years ago, concluded that Vitamin E is

> dangerous and can cause cancer. I heard this on the news. I thought

> this sounded crazy and did some research. Turns out the study was

> retrospective. It looked at 19 other studies that had already been

> done. The new study was paid for by a pharmaceutical company who had

> vested interest in having Vitamin E look bad, since they are

> marketing a

> competing drug. As it turned out, the research that showed Vitamin E

> to

> be harmful had used synthetic Vitamin E, which is not utilized by the

> body in the same manner as natural Vitamin E and can indeed cause

> problems. None of this was reported on the news. People started to

> panic and stop taking Vitamin E, exactly what the pharmaceutical

> company

> wanted. They count on laymen not knowing how to evaluate studies and

> believing everything they hear on the news or read on the internet.

>

> The recent calcium supplement study (last month) that says calcium

> supplements cause heart disease and heart attack. This is a debate

> that's been going on since at least 2007. This latest study again was

> not properly reported. The correct conclusion is that people who start

> taking calcium supplements later in life have this increased risk.

> Those who started years prior do not. They do not know why and have

> said that more research is necessary. The news did not report this and

> people started panicking and giving up their calcium supplements. I've

> been taking them for over 20 years and am not about to stop. I even

> wrote my local news affiliate and took them to task on their poor

> reporting.

>

> So, before you jump to conclusions about any research paper, you

> need to

> do your own research.

>

> Jeri <teewinot13@...>

> @>--->---->-------------------<----<---<@

> Dr. Pall's NO/ONOO- Theory/Treatment Discussion Group:

> TenthParadigmSociety

> @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------

> <@

> The Tenth Paradigm - Dr. Pall's Website for CFS/MCS/FM/ETC.:

> http://www.thetenthparadigm.org

> @>----------<---------->-----------------------<----------<----------

> <@

> MCS-Florida - For All Chemically Sensitive Floridians

> MCS-Florida

>

>