Sleep

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<< does anyone know how to put me to sleep >>

Have you tried Ornathine? Dr recommends it during her cleanses and it

has helped some.

Christel

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ornithine

tried it. she recommends ornithine because it is an ammonia scavenger.

glutamine works better in this regard.

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Dear Luckowers:

If candida is a main problem, check out:

http://www.purehealthsystems.com/sandesc.htm

In the search window provided on this page, type in 'candida', some very

interesting information.

all the best,

Colin Yardley

> does anyone know how to put me to sleep. i have bad yeast and parasites.

and

> haven't found anything yet to really achieve deep sleep. i think part of

the

> problem lies in not having enough circulation to my brain. adrenal

> supplements have helped somewhat in the past. glutamine has a helped

> somewhat. many years ago before the candida got really bad i was on

thyroid

> hormone. i never slept so well in my whole life. but this has long since

> ceased to work for me.

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Have you tried magnesium orotate. I had severe insomnia when I first was

waylayed with cfs. I only slept about two nights a week. Ten minutes after I

chewed up my first mag oro tablet I was sound asleep in the middle of the day

and haven't had insomnia since.

In my humble opinion, magnesium is always the first place to look when dealing

with insomnia. If you are low in magnesium you can take pot loads of sleeping

herbs and other remedies like melatonin with very little success. It begins to

be much like what the pharmaceutical minded people do. Instead of fixing the

problem, use a drug/herb to try to override it. It is my understanding Mag

deficiency will always lead to loss of sleep as well as emotions that are on the

surface and poor digestion etc.

Donna

sleep

does anyone know how to put me to sleep. i have bad yeast and parasites. and

haven't found anything yet to really achieve deep sleep. i think part of the

problem lies in not having enough circulation to my brain. adrenal

supplements have helped somewhat in the past. glutamine has a helped

somewhat. many years ago before the candida got really bad i was on thyroid

hormone. i never slept so well in my whole life. but this has long since

ceased to work for me.

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thanks tristan. i thought alot about it today, and what i need is alot alot

more energy to get my body moving which will improve my circulation and then

sleep will not be far behind. i've been through lots of these subconscious

relaxant types of therapies and thats not what i need. i need to run or

exercise to exhaustion and true relaxation.

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That's really frustrating. Several people have recommended supplements - I'd

say, if the problem is brain function, do some exercises that will help get

it moving, such as Hemi-Sync tapes offered by the Monroe Institute

(http://www.monroeinstitute.org), or some hypnotherapy. Or best of all,

both. The hypnotherapy could also help your subconscious deal with the

parasites.

Best of luck.

>

> Message: 8

> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:32:22 EST

> From: luckower@...

> Subject: sleep

>

> does anyone know how to put me to sleep. i have bad yeast and parasites. and

> haven't found anything yet to really achieve deep sleep. i think part of the

> problem lies in not having enough circulation to my brain. adrenal

> supplements have helped somewhat in the past. glutamine has a helped

> somewhat. many years ago before the candida got really bad i was on thyroid

> hormone. i never slept so well in my whole life. but this has long since

> ceased to work for me.

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i have done chi qong in the past, and it definitely energizes me, but the

wrong type of energy right now. it just enhances my imbalance instead of

balancing me. i have tried ozonated water, and it is AWESOME. after two hours

i felt much much better. i think a cimbination of oxygen therapy and chi

qing woudl be most excellent. but i don't like doing chi qong when i am

hypoxic. the type of energy i need now is at the cellular level-- krebs cycle

stuff. apparently atp is not going to happen if oxygen isn't present. alex

told me once that the major players in atp were oxygen, fat, citric acid and

sulfur. it is interesting that those are the exact foods i want when i am in

an oxygenated environment. so it seems as though the answers are availing

themselves to me, and its a matter of me taking action.

[Guest guest]

> does anyone know how to put me to sleep. i have bad yeast and

parasites. and

> haven't found anything yet to really achieve deep sleep. i think

part of the

> problem lies in not having enough circulation to my brain.

Did you think to try hatha yoga? For circulation brain and thyroid

problem there's Sarvangasana. If you are interested I can tell more

about it.If you succed to concentrate well on the chakra wich this

asana activate, and on the energy flow you'll have all the benefits

this asana give.

Alina

i was on thyroid

> hormone. i never slept so well in my whole life. but this has long

since

> ceased to work for me.

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alina,

Excuse me! Forget all other advice you have received! Try melatonin! It

is the chemical the brain produces to achieve DEEP sleep, necessary for

daily rejuvenation! Get there daily, or die! this means .5-1.0 cycles

per second (Hz-predominate brain frequency) ....to 3Hz sleep frequency!

Do it or die! No exceptions!

So many things in modern life destroy the body's ability to manufacture

this neuro-hormone. Manufacture it or suffer misery!!! No other road!

Almost everything in modern life limits the brain's ability to produce

serotonin, then melatonin. Without either, your life is shit!!!!

One of the main problems is the availability of the ESSENTIAL amino acid

tryptophan. Unfortunately, several years ago it was very popular. And, 3

weeks after the release of the first tri-cyclic antidepressant hit the

market, from Cieber-Geigy, the FDA prohibited tryptophan from USA sale

because of ONE tainted Japanese batch of tryptophan!!!! This is one of

the sources of the idea that the Government is involved in a health

conspiracy.

Antidepressants' worst enemy is tryptophan, because it makes

antidepressants UNNECESSARY!!!! THE GOOD NEWS is that you can buy

L-tryptophan EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK!!!!!!!! Do a search on " tryptophan "

and " veterinary " and you will find beaucoups sources! If your dog can

eat it, why CAN'T YOU!!!!!!!! It is the SAME USP PURE tryptophan as used

in supplements! GET SOME!

The book I read on melatonin, by the primary researcher in the world --

whatever his name is -- said that virtually all tranquilizers &

anti-depresants in use in the USA prevent the brain from producing

melatonin!!!!!!!!!!!! I used this informaion intelligently, and

understood that if I wanted to drink alcohol I needed to take melatonin

before I went to sleep!

This means that you will NOT have a GOOD night's sleep if you do

anything that is bad for you without also taking melatonin befoe

bedtime!!!!!!!!!!!! WHICH MEANS YOU WILL RECOVER FROM NOTHING that ails

you!!!!!!! THAT means YOU WILL NEVER RECOVER FROM ANYTHING that bothers

you UNTIL YOU CHANGE THIS MIX!!!!!!!!!!!

BUT, if you try taking melatonin during or after you BOOGIE, then you

will FEEL more refreshed! Try it!

jim:)

alinaquebec@... wrote:

>

>

> > does anyone know how to put me to sleep. i have bad yeast and

> parasites. and

> > haven't found anything yet to really achieve deep sleep. i think

> part of the

> > problem lies in not having enough circulation to my brain.

>

> Did you think to try hatha yoga? For circulation brain and thyroid

> problem there's Sarvangasana. If you are interested I can tell more

> about it.If you succed to concentrate well on the chakra wich this

> asana activate, and on the energy flow you'll have all the benefits

> this asana give.

>

> Alina

>

>

>

> i was on thyroid

> > hormone. i never slept so well in my whole life. but this has long

> since

> > ceased to work for me.

>

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In a message dated 4/17/01 9:11:35 PM, alinaquebec@... writes:

<< Did you think to try hatha yoga? For circulation brain and thyroid

problem there's Sarvangasana. If you are interested I can tell more

about it. >>

I wonder if you would know of a hatha yoga posture that I could do Instead of

the " Sun Worship? " I had a torn miniscus muscle in my left knee, had

arthroscopy,

and now am afraid to put all my weight on my knees, which is necessary in the

Sun worship. I need a posture to do instead, while doing all the other

postures

as usual. Will appreciate your feedback...dorothy

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Dear Vilik,

I think that melatonin requires a three month trial. It takes the body a

while to get straight on the sleep problem once it has been disturbed.

And fibromyalgia is another condition that is exacerbated/caused by lack of

sleep.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH

Sleep

> Jim,

>

> Was struck by your message about the essential importance of sleep

> to healing. Yes. Saw on television a man (magician) who put himself

> in a block of ice for three days during which he didn't sleep. He

> sure looked like a bad case of CFS when he came out. Also been

> watching Survivor, where the contestants aren't getting much sleep

> or good nutrition, and again notice that they start to stumble

> around like people with CFS.

>

> All of those people recover when the situation changes. But the

> sleep deprivation creates such a facsimile of CFS it already had

> me thinking about CFS and its relationship to sleep deprivation

> before you posted.

>

> For me, neither melatonin nor tryptophan worked. I tried melatonin

> in a number of doses, and used tryptophan back when it was legal.

> Very little to no reponse long term...thought some response to

> melatonin short term...but always awoke in the night. have not

> however tried time-released...maybe that's the key.

>

> Any suggestions?

>

> ~^^V^^~

>

>

>

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Vilik

regarding your recent late evening meals of meat. I have, for several

years been eating my dinner very late. It almost always consists of raw

beef and raw veggies. I have never had a digestive problem while doing

this. I take raw honey after the meal to assist digestion.

In fact, I think there is a general misconception regarding digestion. I

have learned that digestion is at an optimum when the body is resting or

sleeping. The stomach is a muscle, and functions autonomically. It

works best when there are few other bodily demands. Rest and sleep are

these times.

An example in the animal kingdom: when a carnivore (say, an african

lion) eats a meal, what does it then do? It sleeps. It turns it's full

belly upward and grabs some z's.

I think we can learn from these kitties!

Corny

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:12:15 -0700 Vilik Rapheles <vilik@...>

writes:

> Saul wrote:

>

> I think that melatonin requires a three month trial. It takes the

> body a

> while to get straight on the sleep problem once it has been

> disturbed.

> ~~~~~~~~~

>

> Oh wow Saul...never did stay on it that long. Worth a try.

> Thanks!!!!!

>

> Am also finding eating meat at bedtime, with digestaids, may help.

> I have always avoided eating late at all, much less meat.

>

> ~^^V^^~

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Vilik. I do not remember if I mentioned this before, but I had horrific

insomnia when I first became ill with cfs and then I discovered that we have

messed up magnesium utilization and that some people got relief with mag

injections. That was not an option for me but I found mag orotate which is

super absorbed by the body and ten minutes after chewing up the first tab I was

sound asleep in the middle of the day. Haven't had sleep problems since.

When I was at my worst I took three a day.

Now I don't have to take extra mag. I just do the coral calcium and I am fine

but that is because I am almost well. When I was really ill nothing but mag oro

helped. Tryptophan relaxed me but didn't induce sleep and melatonin made me

feel strange and didn't induce sleep.

Donna

Sleep

Jim,

Was struck by your message about the essential importance of sleep

to healing. Yes. Saw on television a man (magician) who put himself

in a block of ice for three days during which he didn't sleep. He

sure looked like a bad case of CFS when he came out. Also been

watching Survivor, where the contestants aren't getting much sleep

or good nutrition, and again notice that they start to stumble

around like people with CFS.

All of those people recover when the situation changes. But the

sleep deprivation creates such a facsimile of CFS it already had

me thinking about CFS and its relationship to sleep deprivation

before you posted.

For me, neither melatonin nor tryptophan worked. I tried melatonin

in a number of doses, and used tryptophan back when it was legal.

Very little to no reponse long term...thought some response to

melatonin short term...but always awoke in the night. have not

however tried time-released...maybe that's the key.

Any suggestions?

~^^V^^~

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

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try sleeping with your legs straight. don't curl up or bend your knees....

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/24/02 8:29:01 AM Central Daylight Time,

writes:

> YIKES! You mean even tho he had those removed, the behaviors were still

> present??? Did having surgery help AT ALL??? Dr. Capone seemed to think

> that was the base of 's problems, with me describing how slept, or

>

> didn't sleep!

>

> CPap was not mentioned, there is NO WAY would keep that on at night!

>

>

>

>

yes, , sorry to say he still wakes at night. He never has been a snorer.

I saw a copy of his sleep study and they saw apnea but it was done prior to a

heart valve being replaced so they believe the issues they saw were caused by

the heart problem. Not so, the heart problem got fixed and waking is still

there.

We did the tonsil and adenoid removal 2 years ago. No improvement. We haven't

done another sleep study since C-pap is out of the question for him and I

don't know of any other treatments that they would do. I believe no point

doing a torturous test unless there is a viable treatment for what you find.

also has tubes in his ears. Since I know that fluid in ears can cause

all types of issues also.

We have tried numerous sleep meds but none have given him a full night's

sleep.

Karyn

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VanDeusen

Practical Brain Training.

305/251-0337

pvdadp@...

,

I might try bumping the frequency a bit up or down in the beta training.

Also take a look at the dominant alpha frequency. If that is slow still,

pushing that up can help as well.

pete

Sleep

Pete,

To address " staying asleep " problems I did about four trainings of F3 beta

up (15-18) --3 @ 3 minutes. I added this to some T3/T4 I also decided to

try. The T3/T4 results are great - my mind and emotions are quiet-- the F3

results are " too good " -- I am tired by 9 pm and asleep by 9:30 pm. I

sleep all night and I am tired in the am and would like to sleep until 7:30

or 8 am -- I normally do not require this much sleep. Other than that I am

feeling fine -- relieved to be getting at least 7 - 8 hours of straight

sleep -- but not wanting to be tired when I wake up and tired during the

day.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Pete,

Excuse me but I got a little lost. What do you mean by:

" Also take a look at the dominant alpha frequency. If that is slow still,

pushing that up can help as well. "

Do you mean peak alpha? And the would I push that up at P3 or P4?

Thanks,

-- RE: Sleep

>

>

VanDeusen

Practical Brain Training.

305/251-0337

pvdadp@...

,

I might try bumping the frequency a bit up or down in the beta training.

Also take a look at the dominant alpha frequency. If that is slow still,

pushing that up can help as well.

pete

Sleep

Pete,

To address " staying asleep " problems I did about four trainings of F3 beta

up (15-18) --3 @ 3 minutes. I added this to some T3/T4 I also decided to

try. The T3/T4 results are great - my mind and emotions are quiet-- the

F3

results are " too good " -- I am tired by 9 pm and asleep by 9:30 pm. I

sleep all night and I am tired in the am and would like to sleep until

7:30

or 8 am -- I normally do not require this much sleep. Other than that I

am

feeling fine -- relieved to be getting at least 7 - 8 hours of straight

sleep -- but not wanting to be tired when I wake up and tired during the

day.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

,

Yes, peak frequency, as well as we can approximate it currently with BMer software.

I'd train up at P4, rewarding 10-13 Hz and inhibiting 3-9.

Pete

VanDeusen

Practical Brain Training.

305/251-0337

pvdadp@...

SleepPete,To address "staying asleep" problems I did about four trainings of F3 betaup (15-18) --3 @ 3 minutes. I added this to some T3/T4 I also decided totry. The T3/T4 results are great - my mind and emotions are quiet-- theF3results are "too good" -- I am tired by 9 pm and asleep by 9:30 pm. Isleep all night and I am tired in the am and would like to sleep until7:30or 8 am -- I normally do not require this much sleep. Other than that Iamfeeling fine -- relieved to be getting at least 7 - 8 hours of straightsleep -- but not wanting to be tired when I wake up and tired during theday. Any suggestions? Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Nola,

[Guest guest]

Nola,

is 7 and a half months old and is a pretty good sleeper. He slept from 8pm-7am this am. ( He sleeps on his tummy.) I don't think that would affect the sleep unless it was a pain issue. I don't think that is ever in pain even with a curve of 41 degrees because his spine is still so flexible.

Crista

[Guest guest]

Nola-My daughter has always been a good sleeper. She started sleeping

through the night (8pm-6am) at age 6 months. She is now 2 years old and

takes a 1 1/2 - 3 hour nap a day. She usually falls asleep within 15

minutes of being placed in her crib.

Patty

>From: nolabeebuzz@...

>Reply-infantile scoliosis treatment

>infantile scoliosis treatment

>Subject: Sleep

>Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:03:11 -0800

>

>Strange question...does your infantile idiopathic scoliosis child have

>a difficult time falling or staying asleep?

>

>Nola

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Nates always been a good sleeper. Hes just recently sleeping through

the nite, but he mostly just woke when he lost his pacifier. Then hed

go right back down. Now he doesnt wake at all. He even takes at least

4 hours of naps, usually 2 naps a day. My daughter was the TOTAL

opposite. Slept through the nite from day one and didnt take but

MAYBE a 1 hour nap during the day, then no nap at all when she turned

2. Every child is different, but I havent noticed a difference with

the scoliosis.

> Strange question...does your infantile idiopathic scoliosis child

have

> a difficult time falling or staying asleep?

>

> Nola

[Guest guest]

I askeda about sleep because I recently started giving Bronwen some supplemental

melatonin at night. It has been AMAZING! I heard about it through another list

of mine, which is a list for parents of premature infants (Bronwen was born at

30 weeks gestation). Bronwen WAS a great sleeper until about 2 years of age.

She has a difficult time falling asleep, and it takes hours if we are not at

home. It has been very frustrating.

Then I was doing some research about scoliosis, wanting to know the incidence of

infantile idiopathic scoliosis. I came across a mention of some infantile cases

also showing low melatonin levels. Did some more research and found out that

scoliosis can be induced in chickens and some rats by removing the gland that

produces melatonin (the pineal gland). This doesn't necessarily mean anything,

and they were quick to point out that giving melatonin after the scoliosis was

already there didn't change anything. But it is interesting.

In other research on melatonin, I haven't found anything negative to be said

about it, though I also did not come across studies about its use in children.

The supplement we are using is from GNC as they have a liquid form. Bronwen

takes about 1 mg before bed and she has had NO trouble falling asleep after her

normal nighttime routine (typical time was 30 minutes to over an hour before

melatonin after the same routine). If your child has major trouble falling

asleep and you've tried the normal behavioral things that usually help kids, it

couldn't hurt to speak w/ your doctor about it.

Nola

[Guest guest]

Nola,

That is really fascinating ! I have read somewhere that the

incidence of scoliosis in chickens is high ( and I think birds for

that matter ). I can't remember where I read that.

Deirdre NEVER slept the entire night, for about two years. Then, in

March last year she developed allergies to chocolate, gummy bears and

jelly beans. The scratching would wake her up in the middle of the

night ( 4 or 5 times ). It was a nightmare !!!! She would scratch

her arms until they bled. It was absolutely horrible. I didn't know

for the longest time that it was allergies. The doctors ALL said it

was eczema. They prescribed lotions, creams...nothing worked. I was

reluctant to continue with the creams because I read that there were

serious side-effects to these products. Once I discovered her

allergies the scratching stopped and her skin cleared up !

> I askeda about sleep because I recently started giving Bronwen some

supplemental melatonin at night. It has been AMAZING! I heard about

it through another list of mine, which is a list for parents of

premature infants (Bronwen was born at 30 weeks gestation). Bronwen

WAS a great sleeper until about 2 years of age. She has a difficult

time falling asleep, and it takes hours if we are not at home. It

has been very frustrating.

>

> Then I was doing some research about scoliosis, wanting to know the

incidence of infantile idiopathic scoliosis. I came across a mention

of some infantile cases also showing low melatonin levels. Did some

more research and found out that scoliosis can be induced in chickens

and some rats by removing the gland that produces melatonin (the

pineal gland). This doesn't necessarily mean anything, and they were

quick to point out that giving melatonin after the scoliosis was

already there didn't change anything. But it is interesting.

>

> In other research on melatonin, I haven't found anything negative

to be said about it, though I also did not come across studies about

its use in children. The supplement we are using is from GNC as they

have a liquid form. Bronwen takes about 1 mg before bed and she has

had NO trouble falling asleep after her normal nighttime routine

(typical time was 30 minutes to over an hour before melatonin after

the same routine). If your child has major trouble falling asleep

and you've tried the normal behavioral things that usually help kids,

it couldn't hurt to speak w/ your doctor about it.

>

> Nola

[Guest guest]

My

ASD son, who is almost fourteen, usually has difficulty settling

down to sleep at 10:00PM.

It never

occured to me that he may not need to be asleep so early.

Could you

elaborate?

Thanks.

Kathy T.

**************Hi Kathy, I am way behind on

reading e-mail so I do not know if anyone mentioned Melatonin or not. For us it

has been so great to get sleep. My 12 year old son has been taking it for 3

years now and asks for it. It is natural and over the counter and approved by

all my son’s Dr.’s(he is on Med’s) He

takes 1 mg. and asks to go to bed in about half an hour. If you do an internet

search on autism/melatonin you can read more. Many of our kids do not produce

enough melatonin naturally. It has made a huge difference in our lives….Gail