Re: Nootropics

[Guest guest]

Corny,

Patience and co-nutrients is the key to nootropics. If you are over

thirty there is no question whether or not you need them. And,

considering what they do and the fact that they have NO bad side

effects, is a strong message to give them a real go. Do them for 6

months, then stop and tell me you didn't notice anything! Bet you can't

eat just one. ;-))

Mike E Cornwall wrote:

>

> Jim

> Thanks for the clarification. I haven't been taking the phospholipid

> compounds or the ginko or CoQ10. I will get on that regimen and be

> patient.

>

> Corny

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[Guest guest]

What are these smart drugs? How were they discovered? What source do

they come from? I haven't been able to find any info on the web.

[Guest guest]

,

You just don't know where to go. The books, Smart Drugs & Nutrients I &

II were best sellers. And, that is old news. They are on the web at

http://www.ceri.com

It may be new to you but it is not new. These nootropics are safe! They

are easily safer than table salt, strawberries or peanuts. So, the fact

that they are pharmaceuticals should not elicit a booga-booga response.

;-) Some have been on the world market for 35 years, with billions of

prescriptions to tens of millions of people, and they are safe. It is

one of the curious facts of their genre that they are actually good for

you, with rare exceptions.!

jim

jules wrote:

>

> What are these smart drugs? How were they discovered? What source do

> they come from? I haven't been able to find any info on the web.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Jim wrote:

Patience and co-nutrients is the key to nootropics. If you are over

thirty there is no question whether or not you need them. And,

considering what they do and the fact that they have NO bad side

effects, is a strong message to give them a real go. Do them for 6

months, then stop and tell me you didn't notice anything! Bet you can't

eat just one. ;-))

Dear Jim and folks,

I guess I'm in the minority here, but I just want to interject my opinion

which is totally opposite of yours. It seems to me that the likely side

effect of your program is to create an addiction. This addiction is the

result of the body's natural production of brain chemicals being overrun by

the intake of brain chemicals. This intake tells the body to shut down it's

own production, and when the intake is stopped, the body's own production

has atrophied. Heroin addiction works on the same principle. I'm open to

discussion on this issue, but I think my point is valid and goes to heart of

what is holistic medicine. Do we want to become more dependent on our

supplements, or do we want to become more free of them?

P.

Mike E Cornwall wrote:

>

> Jim

> Thanks for the clarification. I haven't been taking the phospholipid

> compounds or the ginko or CoQ10. I will get on that regimen and be

> patient.

>

> Corny

-----

carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

http://www.entrance.to/poetry

[Guest guest]

,

IMO, nobody's opinion is as valid as anyone else's experience. I am an

empiricist. If it is, it is, no matter what someone else says, so why

listen to opinion when I have experience? You are speaking from

hypothesis, while I am being anecdotal about my experiences over several

years, and the experiences of those with whom I am in contact.

Next, the things you say belie a misunderstanding of what is going on in

the body/brain at a complex level, and your theory doesn't take into

account that nootropics act like -- sort of ARE -- nutrients, or have

cell-enhancing properties. The word nootropic was coined because it

means mind-enhancing. Nootropics enhance brain function.

The heroin addiction to which you refer is a poor analogy. When

nutrients or neutraceuticals are available to the brain, the necessary

chemicals will be manufactured by the brain, as needed. This bears no

real resemblance to a buildup of opiates that causes the brain to decide

no more endorphins are needed.

Nootropics are a new class of drugs/nutrients that protect neurons one

way or another, and some allow brain cells to function normally in

hypoxia. And, since it can be assumed that most people are hypoxic, this

is relevant. One of the marked characteristics of nootropics is they are

particularly safe to use. Some of them are in the top ten researched

drugs in the history of drugs, and after 35 years of tens of billions of

prescriptions worldwide to tens of millions of people, it can be assumed

they are as safe as advertised.

Even your addiction-minded approach to consuming supplements seems

off-plumb to me. A healthy, normal human begins deteriorating by 30. The

process begins with the body cutting back on the output of a host of

peptides & hormones, and you want to maintain that status quo? I prefer

the longevity attitude developing worldwide: Now that we know these

things allow our bodies and minds to function better -- longer -- we

intend to allow our selves to operate at optimum for as long as desired.

If you would like an informed opinion read Smart Drugs & Nutrients I &

II or go to www.ceri.com and begin reading.

jim

wrote:

>

> Jim wrote:

> Patience and co-nutrients is the key to nootropics. If you are over

> thirty there is no question whether or not you need them. And,

> considering what they do and the fact that they have NO bad side

> effects, is a strong message to give them a real go. Do them for 6

> months, then stop and tell me you didn't notice anything! Bet you can't

> eat just one. ;-))

>

> Dear Jim and folks,

>

> I guess I'm in the minority here, but I just want to interject my opinion

> which is totally opposite of yours. It seems to me that the likely side

> effect of your program is to create an addiction. This addiction is the

> result of the body's natural production of brain chemicals being overrun by

> the intake of brain chemicals. This intake tells the body to shut down it's

> own production, and when the intake is stopped, the body's own production

> has atrophied. Heroin addiction works on the same principle. I'm open to

> discussion on this issue, but I think my point is valid and goes to heart of

> what is holistic medicine. Do we want to become more dependent on our

> supplements, or do we want to become more free of them?

>

> P.

>

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carpe diem, carpe pecuniam, carpe feminas. -- Jim Lambert

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

http://www.entrance.to/poetry

[Guest guest]

What is Cognitex and  Cyprenil? And what is nootropics?

Thanks,

Pamela

From: Pamela Milonas <pammilonas@...>

Subject: nootropics

Longevity

Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 8:51 PM

I am 61 and very interested in enhancing as well as preserving what cognition

that I have. I take Cognitex and 4 drops daily of Cyprenil. I have read a lot

about different nootropics at IAS. Would anyone be willing to post info about

what they are taking? I feel good about my memory and alertness. I have some

trouble remaining focused (I have ADHD) and am also interested in tapping into

more creative thinking. Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

A noot dose, which I take once or twice daily for me looks like:

Piracetam 1500mg

Oxiracetam 700mg

Rhodiola Rosea 700mg

CDP Choline (500mg)

Alpha Lipoic Acid 500mg

N-Acetyl-L Carnitine 1000mg

At 61 i would also add 5mg deprenyl.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Pamela Milonas <pammilonas@...> wrote:

> I am 61 and very interested in enhancing as well as preserving what

> cognition that I have. I take Cognitex and 4 drops daily of Cyprenil. I have

> read a lot about different nootropics at IAS. Would anyone be willing to

> post info about what they are taking? I feel good about my memory and

> alertness. I have some trouble remaining focused (I have ADHD) and am also

> interested in tapping into more creative thinking. Thanks.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry to double post here, but I just read you had ADD.

Modafinil is worth a shot for this. It's had very encouraging results

for ADD sufferers. For extra creative thinking add Aniracetam 800mg -

but make sure you have it with food, or oil, as it's fat soluble only.

It's also imperative that you get enough fish oil - say 2 to 4 grams daily.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:59 AM, ARC <southallp@...> wrote:

> What is Cognitex and Cyprenil? And what is nootropics?

> Thanks,

> Pamela

>

>

> From: Pamela Milonas <pammilonas@...>

> Subject: nootropics

> Longevity

> Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 8:51 PM

>

> I am 61 and very interested in enhancing as well as preserving what

> cognition

> that I have. I take Cognitex and 4 drops daily of Cyprenil. I have read a

> lot

> about different nootropics at IAS. Would anyone be willing to post info

> about

> what they are taking? I feel good about my memory and alertness. I have some

> trouble remaining focused (I have ADHD) and am also interested in tapping

> into

> more creative thinking. Thanks.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no

> circumstances should any information published here be considered a

> substitute

> for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner

>

>

[Guest guest]

You might want to investigate Cognitex and Mitochondrial Optimiser see

LEF.org also read 5/2006 article in LE mag. Jay

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From: Longevity [mailto:Longevity ] On Behalf

Of Hamish

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:14 AM

Longevity

Subject: Re: nootropics

A noot dose, which I take once or twice daily for me looks like:

Piracetam 1500mg

Oxiracetam 700mg

Rhodiola Rosea 700mg

CDP Choline (500mg)

Alpha Lipoic Acid 500mg

N-Acetyl-L Carnitine 1000mg

At 61 i would also add 5mg deprenyl.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Pamela Milonas <pammilonas (DOT)

<mailto:pammilonas%40> com> wrote:

> I am 61 and very interested in enhancing as well as preserving what

> cognition that I have. I take Cognitex and 4 drops daily of Cyprenil. I

have

> read a lot about different nootropics at IAS. Would anyone be willing to

> post info about what they are taking? I feel good about my memory and

> alertness. I have some trouble remaining focused (I have ADHD) and am also

> interested in tapping into more creative thinking. Thanks.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I've been meaning to switch to the LEF mitochondrial product for a while

now, particularly for the acetyl-L-carnitine arginate, the R-ALA and for SOD.

It's without question the best mitochondrial product on the market.

I am not extremely interested in Cognitex. Vinpocetine is a waste of time IMO as

I think I have enough going on at the moment from other supplements. I am on way

too many noots already. On top of what I already listed I also take plenty of

Ashwaganda, Yohimbe, l-Tyrosine, Bacopa M, DMAE, Centrophenoxine, Sulbutamine,

Idebenone,, nicotine etc etc. Cognitex would be overkill right now.

From: Jay Carron sr

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:47 PM

Longevity

Subject: RE: nootropics

You might want to investigate Cognitex and Mitochondrial Optimiser see

LEF.org also read 5/2006 article in LE mag. Jay

_____

From: Longevity [mailto:Longevity ] On Behalf

Of Hamish

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:14 AM

Longevity

Subject: Re: nootropics

A noot dose, which I take once or twice daily for me looks like:

Piracetam 1500mg

Oxiracetam 700mg

Rhodiola Rosea 700mg

CDP Choline (500mg)

Alpha Lipoic Acid 500mg

N-Acetyl-L Carnitine 1000mg

At 61 i would also add 5mg deprenyl.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Pamela Milonas <pammilonas (DOT)

<mailto:pammilonas%40> com> wrote:

> I am 61 and very interested in enhancing as well as preserving what

> cognition that I have. I take Cognitex and 4 drops daily of Cyprenil. I

have

> read a lot about different nootropics at IAS. Would anyone be willing to

> post info about what they are taking? I feel good about my memory and

> alertness. I have some trouble remaining focused (I have ADHD) and am also

> interested in tapping into more creative thinking. Thanks.

>

>

[Guest guest]

sb2boys wrote:

> I saw Nootropics mentioned in Polls. I see that some of them helped cognitive

problems. I have very bad cognitive problems as well as exhaustion. Does

anyone currently take one? If you took one in the past, which one worked best?

A certain brand of that Nootropic? If you want to send me a link through my

e-mail, go ahead. Have you found anything else to help either of these symptoms

(other than rest)?

I got rid of 95% of my cognitive problems (only have some mild problems

if extremely physically or mentally tired and after a night's sleep, I'm

fine again) about 19 years ago simply by taking Ginkgo, Co-Q10, Bilberry

and Cat's Claw (you must use the correct herb, correct form of the herb,

and correct dosage or it doesn't work). They never came back.

Jeri <teewinot13@...>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

I took a nootropic ages ago - not much effect and I can't remember the name.

My biggest gain in terms of cognitive dysfunction is following the restrictions

for the Yasko/Simplified protocols. No gluten, dairy, no MSG or related

glutamates, no packaged foods. Also, removing the minerals/vitamins that are

not advised for those who have a methylation block - caution with sulfur,

copper, iron, calcium.

I lost 9 months of my life in an absolute fog when I started taking several

methylation supplements without understanding that protocol - methionine,

specifically. Finally, my son suggested getting off everything and starting

over. That is when I discovered what it was so I now do that once a year.

I have made such gains in this area that I have been reluctant to start the

protocol full strength (either one!).

The second gain I have gotten for cognitive dysfunction is acyclovir/Valtrex. I

used 1200mg of acyclovir but now I am on 500mg of Valtrex (which is acylovir and

valine). I am tempted to try acyclovir with valine to see if I can get the same

effect as acyclovir is so much cheaper.

If you are on a lot of supplements, I strongly recommend getting off then

starting them back up again one by one. Waiting a week between them is too long

but preferred.

btw, rest does not help me in this area. Also, what helps is taking 500mg of

GABA each night. The other thing that helps is charcoal and magnesium - the

charcoal pulls out the toxins that I am recirculating (I think ammonia is one of

my biggest problems). In addition, caffeine cleanses are very helpful too. But

I do them in a particular way that reduces the toxin overload. (haven't done

them lately but should start them again).

HTH,

Marti

>

> I saw Nootropics mentioned in Polls. I see that some of them helped cognitive

problems. I have very bad cognitive problems as well as exhaustion. Does

anyone currently take one? If you took one in the past, which one worked best?

A certain brand of that Nootropic? If you want to send me a link through my

e-mail, go ahead. Have you found anything else to help either of these symptoms

(other than rest)?

>

> I appreciate your help!

>

> Sue

>