Re: parasite infection - update

January 16, 2010

hi guys,

i took drug tues night and then the severe naueas and diareha hit thurs and

still going today. said drug take a few days to take effect. fibro pain

(stabbing and burning) much worse after the drug - not fun - maybe due to die

off i dont know.

drug says side effects are diareha, naueausa and vomiting. do you think those

listed side effects are from the drug itself or due to the worms being killed

and then your body having to deal with the toxins and why the diareha and naueas

? i would think the latter. so then this would be a good sign that my body is

ridding itself of the worms.

i really hope i start to feel better so as i have had hardly any appetite in

3mths, lost 10 pounds in last 3 mths now and down to 135 pounds and I am 6 feet

tall. sometimes i wonder if maybe i have chrons diasease as i have this new

finger joint pain in last few weeks and i read chrons can have joint pains

too.....geeez. who knows

cheers all

From: Rollwagen <kylerollwagen@...>

Subject: parasite infection

Received: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 1:19 PM

hi all,

im not in good shape. 2mths of intermittent diareha and other gut issues.

limited appetite for 2 mths and im aleady malnourished and thin to begin with.

dr. diagnosed hookworm infection based on microscopic stool test done at a

mainstream lab in canada. always hard to know if this is the exact cause of

latest gut flare and in turn flaring many other fm and me/cfs symptoms...ie.

pain, fatigue. ect but would say odds are > 50% and why my dr. and me feel we

should treat it. i suppose a healthy immune system would be able to take care

of this oppotunistic infection but mine is weak. my cd4 is 370 and I have low

lympocyte count (lymphopenia)

dr. says take just 1 pill of 500mg of mebendazole. i have read some studies say

albendazole is more effective but it is off label. anyone treat a hookworm

infection or other similar infection or take any of those 2 drugs. I am quite

sensitive to meds and have a weak liver (slow phase 2 ) and feel quinalones

could have damaged my tendons in late 2004 and why i am more nervous than

average person about drugs.

did some quick research on the mebendazole and albendazole and they seem safe

from what i can gather (believe mebendazole has been around since the 1970's?)

and im also not taking that much but if anyone has any experience (good or

bad) could you please let me know. thanks !

cheers

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January 16, 2010

Hi ,

This seems like a drug reaction more than the effect of the drug. Three days of

diahrrea doesn't sound right to me (but then the medication I am familiar with

is slightly different than the one you are on - I have maybe one day of loose

stools- that's it). But we are all different and it does sound like you have

more " colitis " type issues than I do.

I would not do the second dose in 10 days as I had suggested. This can be very

dangerous as you can get dehydrated by all the loss of bodily fluids. I am sure

you know that but sometimes when you feel so rotten, it can be easy to forget

fluids. I would take in electrolytes as well.

Hookworm can cause what looks like " wasting disease " as it sucks the blood and

nutrients from the host. I would try the natural wormers in 10 days to make

sure all hookworms are gone. I am not sure that I would try the medication

again or check with your doctor first. Sounds like a reaction.

I hope you are at the last of this reaction - it may be the toxins from the

dying hookworms causing the extra fibro pain but to have diahrea for so long

doesn't sound right to me.

Either way, follow up with good probiotics as the hookworms probably created a

bad environment for the good bacteria.

Marti

>

> From: Rollwagen <kylerollwagen@...>

> Subject: parasite infection

>

> Received: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 1:19 PM

>

> hi all,

>

> im not in good shape. 2mths of intermittent diareha and other gut issues.

limited appetite for 2 mths and im aleady malnourished and thin to begin with.

dr. diagnosed hookworm infection based on microscopic stool test done at a

mainstream lab in canada. always hard to know if this is the exact cause of

latest gut flare and in turn flaring many other fm and me/cfs symptoms...ie.

pain, fatigue. ect but would say odds are > 50% and why my dr. and me feel we

should treat it. i suppose a healthy immune system would be able to take care

of this oppotunistic infection but mine is weak. my cd4 is 370 and I have low

lympocyte count (lymphopenia)

>

> dr. says take just 1 pill of 500mg of mebendazole. i have read some studies

say albendazole is more effective but it is off label. anyone treat a hookworm

infection or other similar infection or take any of those 2 drugs. I am quite

sensitive to meds and have a weak liver (slow phase 2 ) and feel quinalones

could have damaged my tendons in late 2004 and why i am more nervous than

average person about drugs.

>

> did some quick research on the mebendazole and albendazole and they seem

safe from what i can gather (believe mebendazole has been around since the

1970's?) and im also not taking that much but if anyone has any experience

(good or bad) could you please let me know. thanks !

>

> cheers

>

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January 17, 2010

Hi ,

I missed your first message about taking mebendazole - sorry I am not

consistent on reading here - but my whole family took mebendazole - and

Russ were diagnosed with whipworm a few months ago from stool testing in the

States so the doc treated my husband and myself along with them. We took it

twice a day for three days and then repeated that in three weeks. None of us

had any reaction at all to the drug - even who is super-sensitive to lots

of supplements. Her phase 1 is slow but her phase 2 is fine so she may be the

opposite to you in reactions. But she has a very difficult time with nausea -

experiences it a lot of the time to food, herbal supps and hormone supps. I

have fibro and noticed no change in symptoms.

I know this does not explain what you are going through or shed any light on

it, but just wanted you to know our experience here with the same drug, also in

Canada.

Hope you have got help and sorted this all out by the time you read this,

> i took drug tues night and then the severe naueas and diareha hit thurs and

still going today. said drug take a few days to take effect. fibro pain

(stabbing and burning) much worse after the drug - not fun - maybe due to die

off i dont know.

>

> drug says side effects are diareha, naueausa and vomiting. do you

think those listed side effects are from the drug itself or due to the worms

being killed and then your body having to deal with the toxins and why the

diareha and naueas ? i would think the latter. so then this would be a good

sign that my body is ridding itself of the worms.

>

> i really hope i start to feel better so as i have had hardly any appetite in

3mths, lost 10 pounds in last 3 mths now and down to 135 pounds and I am 6 feet

tall. sometimes i wonder if maybe i have chrons diasease as i have this new

finger joint pain in last few weeks and i read chrons can have joint pains

too.....geeez. who knows

>

> cheers all

>

January 19, 2010

None of the four of us had any reaction or any change in symptoms, in the short

run. Me and my kids also have Lyme Disease which and are

addressing right now with an integrative physician (can't afford to do all three

at once!), so it is really hard to attribute cause-and-effect to any particular

treatment aspect- he treated them for parasites, yeast, other bacterial

infections, etc sequentially over the course of a month.

's nausea and food reactions didn't get any better or worse in the

short-term, but over the last few months of treatment she is able to eat more

volume of food at a time without becoming nauseous and has successfully

introduced about 5 new foods, so that seems like a good sign to us.

> so your daughters didnt have any reaction to the pinworms being killed?

April 9, 2010

heh guys, just a quick note to say the anti parasite drug worked. took around

10 days after i took it for most of symtpoms to go away (ie. diareha, acid

reflux, ect) but my stools are much better now (past 2 mths) , this after 2-3

mths of intermittant diareha. So it would seem the parasite was the cause for

these new gasto intestinal symptoms.

a reminder that not all new symptoms are just fibro or cfs as even i

thought....amazing what can be done when you can test and find a cause and

actually are able to treat it succesfully....so if anyone has new gasto

intestinal symptoms or worsening, please get some testing done.... really wish

same could happen for fm and cfs.....that is get a cause or know the pathology

so we can better treat it....

cheers

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From: Rollwagen <kylerollwagen@...>

Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 2:31:05 PM

Subject: Re: parasite infection - update

hi guys,

i took drug tues night and then the severe naueas and diareha hit thurs and

still going today. said drug take a few days to take effect. fibro pain

(stabbing and burning) much worse after the drug - not fun - maybe due to die

off i dont know.

drug says side effects are diareha, naueausa and vomiting. do you think those

listed side effects are from the drug itself or due to the worms being killed

and then your body having to deal with the toxins and why the diareha and naueas

? i would think the latter. so then this would be a good sign that my body is

ridding itself of the worms.

i really hope i start to feel better so as i have had hardly any appetite in

3mths, lost 10 pounds in last 3 mths now and down to 135 pounds and I am 6 feet

tall. sometimes i wonder if maybe i have chrons diasease as i have this new

finger joint pain in last few weeks and i read chrons can have joint pains

too.....geeez. who knows

cheers all

>From: Rollwagen <kylerollwagen@...>

>Subject: parasite infection

>

>Received: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 1:19 PM

>

>hi all,

>

>im not in good shape. 2mths of intermittent diareha and other gut issues.

limited appetite for 2 mths and im aleady malnourished and thin to begin with.

dr. diagnosed hookworm infection based on microscopic stool test done at a

mainstream lab in canada. always hard to know if this is the exact cause of

latest gut flare and in turn flaring many other fm and me/cfs symptoms...ie.

pain, fatigue. ect but would say odds are > 50% and why my dr. and me feel we

should treat it. i suppose a healthy immune system would be able to take care

of this oppotunistic infection but mine is weak. my cd4 is 370 and I have low

lympocyte count (lymphopenia)

>

>dr. says take just 1 pill of 500mg of mebendazole. i have read some studies

say albendazole is more effective but it is off label. anyone treat a hookworm

infection or other similar infection or take any of those 2 drugs. I am quite

sensitive to meds and have a weak liver (slow phase 2 ) and feel quinalones

could have damaged my tendons in late 2004 and why i am more nervous than

average person about drugs.

>

>did some quick research on the mebendazole and albendazole and they seem safe

from what i can gather (believe mebendazole has been around since the 1970's?)

and im also not taking that much but if anyone has any experience (good or

bad) could you please let me know. thanks !

>

>cheers

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April 10, 2010

Hi ,

This is great news. I was wonderng how you were doing. Are you going to do a

maintenance program to keep them at bay? For example, addressing pH, walnut

shells, raw pumpkin seeds, wormwood, and the other anti-parasitic herbs. Also

keeping the probiotics high seems to also keep them at bay. I wonder what your

doctor has suggested or what your research shows. I am heading this way in

about a month as I normally try to do a parasite cleanse twice a year but I

skipped January.

here is a list of natural and pharmaceutical anti-helmetic substances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antithelmetic

Marti

>

> >From: Rollwagen <kylerollwagen@...>

> >Subject: parasite infection

> >

> >Received: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 1:19 PM

> >

> >hi all,

> >

> >im not in good shape. 2mths of intermittent diareha and other gut issues.

limited appetite for 2 mths and im aleady malnourished and thin to begin with.

dr. diagnosed hookworm infection based on microscopic stool test done at a

mainstream lab in canada. always hard to know if this is the exact cause of

latest gut flare and in turn flaring many other fm and me/cfs symptoms...ie.

pain, fatigue. ect but would say odds are > 50% and why my dr. and me feel we

should treat it. i suppose a healthy immune system would be able to take care

of this oppotunistic infection but mine is weak. my cd4 is 370 and I have low

lympocyte count (lymphopenia)

> >

> >dr. says take just 1 pill of 500mg of mebendazole. i have read some studies

say albendazole is more effective but it is off label. anyone treat a hookworm

infection or other similar infection or take any of those 2 drugs. I am quite

sensitive to meds and have a weak liver (slow phase 2 ) and feel quinalones

could have damaged my tendons in late 2004 and why i am more nervous than

average person about drugs.

> >

> >did some quick research on the mebendazole and albendazole and they seem

safe from what i can gather (believe mebendazole has been around since the

1970's?) and im also not taking that much but if anyone has any experience

(good or bad) could you please let me know. thanks !

> >

> >cheers

> >________________________________

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June 3, 2010

hi marti, sorry i seem to have deleted the email you replied to my email below.

thx for your email. u asked if i was doing any maintenace work on parasites

and ya i am rotating a product that contains the following:

ReNew Life'sParaGONE Formula contains these powerful, natural anti-parasitic and

anti-fungal compounds:

Calcium Undecylenate - an antifungal fatty acid.

Black Walnut (green rind) - an antiparasitic herb.

Quassia - an anti-parasitic herb.

Caprylic Acid - an anti-fungal fatty acid.

Pau d'Arco - an anti-bacterial agent.

Cascara Sagrada - an herb that promotes bowel elimination.

Garlic - an anti-fungal, anti-bacterial herb.

Cloves - a digestive aid/helps eliminate gas.

Pumpkin seed - an herb with anti-parasitic properties.

Grapefruit Seed Extract - an anti-microbial and anti-fungal agent.

Pippli - an Indian pepper, useful for cleansing numerous types of parasites.

Rosemary oil - has digestive and antiseptic qualities.

Thyme - an herb with digestive soothing properties.

Marshmallow - an herb that draws mucus from the bowel.

Orange Peel - a digestive aid.

Bismuth Citrate - a digestion. soothing mineral.

Wormwood - a digestive aid with anti-parasitic properties.

i see u r on ldn and so happy it is helping you. i think i am going to give it

a try soon. cheers

kyle

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From: Rollwagen <kylerollwagen@...>

Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 7:38:16 PM