Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 The answer to my own question is beyond my understanding, but maybe some in here may offer insight. Oxidizing alcohol creates aldehydes. Maybe this is the juncture where histamines are released causing some of the intolerance issues. To mitigate the effect of aldehydes, I'd imagine you'd wanna break it down into ketones more quickly. According to this: http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/2organic/aldehyde.html You need to create chromic acid (H2CrO4) to convert an aldehyde to a ketone. Now with chromium picolinate being (C6H4NO2)3, is it possible that the human body's metabolism of this form creates chromic acid (H2CrO4) ? Essentially, would chromium picolinate help break down the aldehydes? Thanks, R From: Kim Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:00 AM Subject: Re: alcohol intolerance that is hilarious thread! but very intriguing, isnt that related to why some people feel better on benzos and painkillers? its not all just some hedonistic abstract addiction. But I am curious along that line of thinking, if I would keep taking artesunate or wormwood if I would start to feel better? after the 4th day haha cus everytime i try a little for one day I am in pain for like the next 2-3 days so it puts me off it.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do we have alcohol intolerance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another theory is that alcohol (along with other relapse > > inducers like ejaculation and mental and physical exertion) uses up > > some dopamine, which according to Jay Goldstein's model is already > > in short supply due to NMDA hyperactivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Haha Carol my parents too, I refer to them all as the frank sinatra generation, constant drink in hand like Dean stereotype, some of my peers born in the 60s could sure do that too but yea me and some of my cohorts definitely more lightweight, whats your theory on that? I have read several times in news over the years that immune systems in general are weaker since the 50s for sure but also after '68 one article said. more toxic world, weston price bad food theory? > > > > The one thing I'd like to add is that three to four days of > > > > dedicated alcohol consumption clears oxygen toxicity. [...] > > > > I experience complete remediation > > > > of leaky gut, electrical sensitivity, cerebral > > > > hypoperfusion, and even post-exertional malaise by my > > > > third day drinking. The bags > > > > leave my eyes, I'm no longer congested. > > > > I've benefited to a lesser > > > > extent from wormwood, artemisinin, magnesium, so > > > > I'm pretty it's in the same ballpark. > > > I'm not surprised that, despite how alcohol wipes out lots of > nutrients from the system, that you could have this result, and > many people might. I could never understand how my parents' > generation, the WWII vets and their contemporaries, could > be such heavy drinkers and smokers and not suffer any more > ill effects than they did, which didn't much catch up to them > til most hit about 65+ yrs old, some 40+ years later! > If I had done what they did, and what most of my friends' > parents did, I/we would have been long gone by now. > A small amount of alcohol, and not every day, > might actually be helpful to the liver occasionally? > > Carol W. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 jason.. not a chemistry buff.. but my understanding is that molybdenum breaks down those aldehydes.. > > The answer to my own question is beyond my understanding, but maybe some in here may offer insight. > > Oxidizing alcohol creates aldehydes. Maybe this is the juncture where histamines are released causing some of the intolerance issues. To mitigate the effect of aldehydes, I'd imagine you'd wanna break it down into ketones more quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The increase in lactic acid could be the cause of fibromyalgia, > > > and the imbalance in enzymes will then impair production of ATP, > > > leading other problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Hear hear L! Thanks. I read into molybdenum and It creates carboxylic acid from the aldehydes. Not sure what that does, but hey, it's water soluble so at least we know where to put it. This time last year I was rather sick and my red cell function labs showed molybdenum as baseline. If that's typical, then supplementing that may help the alcohol intolerance. While reading, I saw 10mg a day made animals sick, mostly gut issues, typical human consumption in the low mcg's daily. Pills for thought. Toodles, R From: louella m Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:21 PM Subject: Re: alcohol intolerance jason.. not a chemistry buff.. but my understanding is that molybdenum breaks down those aldehydes.. > > The answer to my own question is beyond my understanding, but maybe some in here may offer insight. > > Oxidizing alcohol creates aldehydes. Maybe this is the juncture where histamines are released causing some of the intolerance issues. To mitigate the effect of aldehydes, I'd imagine you'd wanna break it down into ketones more quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The increase in lactic acid could be the cause of fibromyalgia, > > > and the imbalance in enzymes will then impair production of ATP, > > > leading other problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 {Moderator: Molybdenum can be purchased separately. This is a supplement used by Yasko and some DAN! doctors for autistic children. It helps to counter the ill effects of inefficient sulfur metabolism. The brand I have used is BodyBio. The formula number is " 7 " . Three drops delivers 75 mcg as ammonium molybdate. A 4 oz bottle cost me $12.20 about a year ago which provides 265 doses. I have also seen it in various vitamin formulas.} hi Louella, you might not be a " chemistry buff. " but this could be the reason. In one of my latest blood tests molybdenum was tested too. Mine was too low. Nobody made anything out of it but I kept it in mind. I'm going to look into supplements that include molybdenum. I thought they don't make any supplements containing only molybdenum. It's worth a try. Let you know whether it changes anything. I'm wondering now if the mechanism with sugar is similar since it gives me about the same effect as alcohol (whithout blackouts etc of course but also that totally toxic feeling when wakening). thanx for thinking with us. Els > > > > The answer to my own question is beyond my understanding, but maybe some in here may offer insight. > > > > Oxidizing alcohol creates aldehydes. Maybe this is the juncture where histamines are released causing some of the intolerance issues. To mitigate the effect of aldehydes, I'd imagine you'd wanna break it down into ketones more quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The increase in lactic acid could be the cause of fibromyalgia, > > > > and the imbalance in enzymes will then impair production of ATP, > > > > leading other problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Thanks all. Found molybdenum locally at the Vitamin Shoppe, some off brand like Health for Yourself or something for $6. Going to pick it up now to try to get off the prednisone. If this doesn't work I'll probably be calling FL Detox... this is bad. Can't put in anything that hits the same enzymes, glands or receptors without a backlash. Not surprisingly, I have the same response to drinking alcohol. Anyways, Solgar makes a chelated molybdenum with a little calcium <$10. Best Wishes, R From: elizake20022000 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:45 AM Subject: Re: alcohol intolerance {Moderator: Molybdenum can be purchased separately. This is a supplement used by Yasko and some DAN! doctors for autistic children. It helps to counter the ill effects of inefficient sulfur metabolism. The brand I have used is BodyBio. The formula number is " 7 " . Three drops delivers 75 mcg as ammonium molybdate. A 4 oz bottle cost me $12.20 about a year ago which provides 265 doses. I have also seen it in various vitamin formulas.} hi Louella, you might not be a " chemistry buff. " but this could be the reason. In one of my latest blood tests molybdenum was tested too. Mine was too low. Nobody made anything out of it but I kept it in mind. I'm going to look into supplements that include molybdenum. I thought they don't make any supplements containing only molybdenum. It's worth a try. Let you know whether it changes anything. I'm wondering now if the mechanism with sugar is similar since it gives me about the same effect as alcohol (whithout blackouts etc of course but also that totally toxic feeling when wakening). thanx for thinking with us. Els > > > > The answer to my own question is beyond my understanding, but maybe some in here may offer insight. > > > > Oxidizing alcohol creates aldehydes. Maybe this is the juncture where histamines are released causing some of the intolerance issues. To mitigate the effect of aldehydes, I'd imagine you'd wanna break it down into ketones more quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The increase in lactic acid could be the cause of fibromyalgia, > > > > and the imbalance in enzymes will then impair production of ATP, > > > > leading other problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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