Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 does anyone know of any supplements that help with the effects of alcohol intolerance in case i want to try to have a glass of wine tonight for the first time in years like a )^$#@!!! normal person?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 I'm having sparkling cranberry. I'm a coward. One time I took charcoal and bentonite and it worked. However, the next time it did not. I'm not sure if I did anything different the second time. I took them both before and after. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of DonnaK Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: alcohol intolerance does anyone know of any supplements that help with the effects of alcohol intolerance in case i want to try to have a glass of wine tonight for the first time in years like a )^$#@!!! normal person?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Is it with any type of alcohol? I recently met someone who couldn't tolerate wine OR grape juice. It knocks them out. - Mark > > does anyone know of any supplements that help with the effects of alcohol intolerance in case i want to try to have a glass of wine tonight for the first time in years like a )^$#@!!! normal person?! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Why do we have alcohol intolerance? joyce kaye > > does anyone know of any supplements that help with the effects of alcohol intolerance in case i want to try to have a glass of wine tonight for the first time in years like a )^$#@!!! normal person?! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 I took Molybdenum for a while and it helped slightly with my intolerance. I also have an allergy to beer and wine that it seemed to help with too. ________________________________ From: whoopandado <mrl@...> Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 6:49:57 AM Subject: Re: alcohol intolerance  Is it with any type of alcohol? I recently met someone who couldn't tolerate wine OR grape juice. It knocks them out. - Mark > > does anyone know of any supplements that help with the effects of alcohol intolerance in case i want to try to have a glass of wine tonight for the first time in years like a )^$#@!!! normal person?! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Hi, Joyce. For what it's worth, I think it's because the metabolism of alcohol by the liver produces three effects that worsen the biochemical abnormalities that are already present in CFS: 1. It produces oxidizing free radicals, which adds to the oxidative stress and depletion of glutathione. 2. It shifts the balance from NAD+ to NADH, and thus blocks the process of gluconeogenesis in the liver, producing hypoglycemia. 3. It blocks the Cori cycle because of the block in gluconeogenesis, which is a major part of it, and that causes a rise in lactic acidosis. The combined result is more glutathione depletion, more hypoglycemia, and more lactic acidosis. This combination makes people feel miserable. I think the fix for this is to lift the methylation cycle block, which will allow glutathione to come back up to normal, stopping the oxidative stress, which will also stop the HPA axis dysfunction so that the blood sugar control will be normalized, and which will also stop the mitochondrial dysfunction so that the production of lactic acid will be lowered. The Simplified Treatment Approach is designed to do this. Rich > > > > does anyone know of any supplements that help with the effects of alcohol intolerance in case i want to try to have a glass of wine tonight for the first time in years like a )^$#@!!! normal person?! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I have to confirm that I have almost a visceral dislike of alcohol because of CFS Well at least that keeps me away from alcohol abuse Steve On Jan 1, 2010, at 3:28 PM, rvankonynen wrote: > Hi, Joyce. > > For what it's worth, I think it's because the metabolism of alcohol > by the liver produces three effects that worsen the biochemical > abnormalities that are already present in CFS: > > 1. It produces oxidizing free radicals, which adds to the oxidative > stress and depletion of glutathione. > > 2. It shifts the balance from NAD+ to NADH, and thus blocks the > process of gluconeogenesis in the liver, producing hypoglycemia. > > 3. It blocks the Cori cycle because of the block in gluconeogenesis, > which is a major part of it, and that causes a rise in lactic > acidosis. > > The combined result is more glutathione depletion, more > hypoglycemia, and more lactic acidosis. This combination makes > people feel miserable. > > I think the fix for this is to lift the methylation cycle block, > which will allow glutathione to come back up to normal, stopping the > oxidative stress, which will also stop the HPA axis dysfunction so > that the blood sugar control will be normalized, and which will also > stop the mitochondrial dysfunction so that the production of lactic > acid will be lowered. The Simplified Treatment Approach is designed > to do this. > > Rich > > > > > > > > does anyone know of any supplements that help with the effects > of alcohol intolerance in case i want to try to have a glass of wine > tonight for the first time in years like a )^$#@!!! normal person?! > > > > > > > > ......if Iam acquainted with all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, but do not have love, I am nothing. Saul of Tarsus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 > Why do we have alcohol intolerance? Another theory is that alcohol (along with other relapse inducers like ejaculation and mental and physical exertion) uses up some dopamine, which according to Jay Goldstein's model is already in short supply due to NMDA hyperactivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 (Moderator: The Simplified treatment protocol is designed to lift the methylation cycle block. It is a streamlined version of Dr. Amy Yasko's protocol. General questions can be addressed here but more in-depth info can be found at the group, CFS_Yasko. Please use the search function on either of these forums. There is a folder called " Getting Started " in the Files section of that forum that will help you get up to speed on both protocols, the full Yasko protocol and the Simplified Treatment protocol designed by Rich Van K.} What is the simplified treatment approach? Thanks! joyce kaye > > > > > > does anyone know of any supplements that help with the effects of alcohol intolerance in case i want to try to have a glass of wine tonight for the first time in years like a )^$#@!!! normal person?! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Hi Rich, is there a similar mechanism when we eat sugar? It's just that I've noticed that sugar consumption has the same, if not worse, effects on me as alcohol (severe lactic acid in muscles while getting out of bed the next day, a sensation of trembling inside like a huge hangover + nervous system effects, especially an intollerable " wired " feeling " during the day). I cannot explain the relation between sugar consumption and worsening of symptoms. Perhaps you can? I'm really certain about the sugar-effect because I started in september a fructose-restricted diet and noticed that the symptoms mentioned above were less severe. The moment I stray (chrismas dinners etc ... can't help it then :-)) from my diet I'm back to square one. I would really like to try the Simplified Treatment Approach (read as much as I can about it and it makes so much sense to me) but don't know where I can get hold of all the products. I live in Belgium you see ... thanx, Els > > > > > > does anyone know of any supplements that help with the effects of alcohol intolerance in case i want to try to have a glass of wine tonight for the first time in years like a )^$#@!!! normal person?! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Els I don't remember seeing you post to the group before, but I'm sure that someone would be willing to help you obtain the necessary supplements and post them to you from the USA. Do you know if they would be allowed thru your country's customs dept? It would be especially easy if you use PayPal. If you post another message listing the supplements you are having difficulty obtaining, you might get some replies with alternate suppliers in other countries. I know that I've seen people from other countries post regarding sources of different things. Good luck! Kendra PS: I have been to Belgium, just once in 1978 - it was lovely. I live near Chicago, Illinois - USA. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:35 PM, elizake20022000 <eanestor@...> wrote: > Hi Rich, > > is there a similar mechanism when we eat sugar? > > It's just that I've noticed that sugar consumption has the same, if not > worse, effects on me as alcohol (severe lactic acid in muscles while getting > out of bed the next day, a sensation of trembling inside like a huge > hangover + nervous system effects, especially an intollerable " wired " > feeling " during the day). > > I cannot explain the relation between sugar consumption and worsening of > symptoms. Perhaps you can? > > I'm really certain about the sugar-effect because I started in september a > fructose-restricted diet and noticed that the symptoms mentioned above were > less severe. The moment I stray (chrismas dinners etc ... can't help it then > :-)) from my diet I'm back to square one. > > I would really like to try the Simplified Treatment Approach (read as much > as I can about it and it makes so much sense to me) but don't know where I > can get hold of all the products. I live in Belgium you see ... > > thanx, > Els > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 alcohol makes me feel hideous. sugar makes me insane. avoidance seems to be the key. > > > > > > > > does anyone know of any supplements that help with the effects of alcohol intolerance in case i want to try to have a glass of wine tonight for the first time in years like a )^$#@!!! normal person?! > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 If you go to iHerb.com you will be able to order it yourself and have it shipped to Belgium. My daughter lives in the Netherlands, buys and has it shipped without any problems to the Netherlands. Check your custom laws to see below what figure you need to stay to avoid top-up custom tax. In the Netherlands it was 40 EUR, don't know about Belgium. When I lived in France I also ordered from iHerb.com all the time, without any problems and the people there are very helpful. Hope this helps, -- Portland, OR On Jan 4, 2010, at 11:32 PM, Els wrote: >> I would really like to try the Simplified Treatment Approach (read as much >> as I can about it and it makes so much sense to me) but don't know where I >> can get hold of all the products. I live in Belgium you see ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Tink & Els.... I LOVE iherb.com, so I 2nd the recommendation -- if you haven't ordered from them before you can get a $5 coupon code from any existing iherb.comcustomer. So, don't forget to ask someone! But, I don't think they carry all the supplements for the simplied Yasko protocol - specifically the Perque line... not even sure if they have hydroxy B12 at all (haven't looked lately...) On the other hand - they are expanding their lines on an ongoing basis so take a look.... They recently (last Fall) added Thorne and and also carry Dr. Bronner's (cheaper than Dr. Bronner's website). Good luck! Kendra On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:58 AM, Tink <tink.belle@...> wrote: > If you go to iHerb.com you will be able to order it yourself and have it > shipped to Belgium. > My daughter lives in the Netherlands, buys and has it shipped without any > problems to the Netherlands. > Check your custom laws to see below what figure you need to stay to avoid > top-up custom tax. In the Netherlands it was 40 EUR, don't know about > Belgium. > > When I lived in France I also ordered from iHerb.com all the time, without > any problems and the people there are very helpful. > > Hope this helps, > -- > > Portland, OR > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Hi everyone- This is a long thread so I hope this doesn't get buried, as I think the alcohol intolerance could be a key to understanding a mechanism of CFS. It could be that alchohol intolerance in CFS people is from a reduction of oxidative phosphorylation, with Alcohol increasing the problem. We can all be suffering from Hypoxia. From 'Hypoxia' in Wikipedia: " Histotoxic hypoxia in which quantity of oxygen reaching the cells is normal, but the cells are unable to effectively use the oxygen due to disabled oxidative phosphorylation enzymes. The effects of drinking alcoholic beverages is a common example. " and " If oxygen delivery to cells is insufficient for the demand (hypoxia), hydrogen will be shifted to pyruvic acid converting it to lactic acid. This temporary measure (anaerobic metabolism) allows small amounts of energy to be produced " . The increase in lactic acid could be the cause of fibromyalgia, and the imbalance in enzymes will then impair production of ATP, leading other problems. From Wikipedia " Oxidative phosphorylation is a metabolic pathway that uses energy released by the oxidation of nutrients to produce adenosine triphosphate (ATP) " also more on oxidative phoshorylation: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/bookshelf/br.fcgi?book=stryer & part=A2484 " the majority of ATP is generated by electron transport chains " . Maybe XMRV closes or opens gated cell membrane channels causing an electrical charge imbalance at the cellular level? An imbalance in PH can also impair ATP production. Maybe someone with molecular biology knowledge can research and expand on this. Doug > > > Why do we have alcohol intolerance? > > Another theory is that alcohol (along with other relapse inducers like ejaculation and mental and physical exertion) uses up some dopamine, which according to Jay Goldstein's model is already in short supply due to NMDA hyperactivity. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 I agree that OXPHOS problems are at the root of some cases of CFS (and related TCM Deficient constitutions). High lactate and high pyruvate on organic acids testing can be related - both together have been said to suggest inborn errors of metabolism - and many members have had the OA test so can check theirs. Carol W. groups/willis_protocols " dg " <dgawoski@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone- > > This is a long thread so I hope this doesn't get buried, as I think the alcohol intolerance could be a key to understanding a mechanism of CFS. It could be that alchohol intolerance in CFS people is from a reduction of oxidative phosphorylation, with Alcohol increasing the problem. We can all be suffering from Hypoxia. > > From 'Hypoxia' in Wikipedia: > " Histotoxic hypoxia in which quantity of oxygen reaching the cells is normal, but the cells are unable to effectively use the oxygen due to disabled oxidative phosphorylation enzymes. The effects of drinking alcoholic beverages is a common example. " > and > " If oxygen delivery to cells is insufficient for the demand (hypoxia), hydrogen will be shifted to pyruvic acid converting it to lactic acid. This temporary measure (anaerobic metabolism) allows small amounts of energy to be produced " . > > The increase in lactic acid could be the cause of fibromyalgia, and the imbalance in enzymes will then impair production of ATP, leading other problems. > > From Wikipedia " Oxidative phosphorylation is a metabolic pathway that uses energy released by the oxidation of nutrients to produce adenosine triphosphate (ATP) " > also more on oxidative phoshorylation: > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/bookshelf/br.fcgi?book=stryer & part=A2484 > > " the majority of ATP is generated by electron transport chains " . Maybe XMRV closes or opens gated cell membrane channels causing an electrical charge imbalance at the cellular level? An imbalance in PH can also impair ATP production. > > Maybe someone with molecular biology knowledge can research and expand on this. > > Doug > > > > > > > > > Why do we have alcohol intolerance? > > > > Another theory is that alcohol (along with other relapse inducers like ejaculation and mental and physical exertion) uses up some dopamine, which according to Jay Goldstein's model is already in short supply due to NMDA hyperactivity. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 so doug and carol, whats the short version, what are some solutions to try for treatment re: this hypothesis? > > > > Hi everyone- > > > > This is a long thread so I hope this doesn't get buried, as I think the alcohol intolerance could be a key to understanding a mechanism of CFS. It could be that alchohol intolerance in CFS people is from a reduction of oxidative phosphorylation, with Alcohol increasing the problem. We can all be suffering from Hypoxia. > > > > From 'Hypoxia' in Wikipedia: > > " Histotoxic hypoxia in which quantity of oxygen reaching the cells is normal, but the cells are unable to effectively use the oxygen due to disabled oxidative phosphorylation enzymes. The effects of drinking alcoholic beverages is a common example. " > > and > > " If oxygen delivery to cells is insufficient for the demand (hypoxia), hydrogen will be shifted to pyruvic acid converting it to lactic acid. This temporary measure (anaerobic metabolism) allows small amounts of energy to be produced " . > > > > The increase in lactic acid could be the cause of fibromyalgia, and the imbalance in enzymes will then impair production of ATP, leading other problems. > > > > From Wikipedia " Oxidative phosphorylation is a metabolic pathway that uses energy released by the oxidation of nutrients to produce adenosine triphosphate (ATP) " > > also more on oxidative phoshorylation: > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/bookshelf/br.fcgi?book=stryer & part=A2484 > > > > " the majority of ATP is generated by electron transport chains " . Maybe XMRV closes or opens gated cell membrane channels causing an electrical charge imbalance at the cellular level? An imbalance in PH can also impair ATP production. > > > > Maybe someone with molecular biology knowledge can research and expand on this. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Hi Kim- The CFS theory is the cells aren't getting oxygen, nutrients can't be oxidized to produce ATP(Adenosine-5'-triphosphate) or cellular chemical energy. Oxidation changes the electrical charge of molecules. This difference in electrical charge creates and transports ATP through cell membranes in a process called Chemiosmosis(I'm learning this as I write this).The cell has 'pores or channels' which respond to different substances to open or close. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_channel ATP supplements are available. There are are supplements you can take to help produce ATP, or are end products of ATP and will help with cellular energy. Some depend on methylation functioning properly. Creatine promotes ATP. I was taking NADH, CoQ10 and am still taking acetyl-L- Carnitine. The electrical differential and energy transport system is also effected by body Ph. If your kidney is damaged(from Mercury, toxic mold, pesticides) it may not produce enough bicarbonate and you might be too acidic. http://www.imva.info/news/sodium-bicarbonate-kidney-disease.html#_edn3 Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) corrects acidity. Excess hydrogen sulfide from certain types of intestinal bacteria overgrowth can make you acidic. Trying to fix the problem and not the deficiency I'm taking Inosine which is part of the uric acid pathway, and promotes Adenine and Guanine. Inosine is supposed to increase 2,3-DPG which helps transport oxygen molecules from red blood cells to body tissues for energy. Inosine in an anti-viral role is also mentioned in this study, but it's beyond my understanding: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1169816/ I took DMAE which promotes acetylcholine. I initially took this for brain fog, but acetylcholine helps open sodium channels in the cell membrane and possibly could help with ATP production. I'm trying Piracetam now which helps 'rats' increase ATP: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1615864/ It is also hypothesized to work on ion channels, so maybe this is why it helps. I have been a guinea pig, but felt better since 2008. Thios was after following up the simply methylation protocol with inosine and dmae. This could be part of the puzzle. I'm not a health professional so maybe someone with more knowledge can add to this. Doug > > > > > > Hi everyone- > > > > > > This is a long thread so I hope this doesn't get buried, as I think the alcohol intolerance could be a key to understanding a mechanism of CFS. It could be that alchohol intolerance in CFS people is from a reduction of oxidative phosphorylation, with Alcohol increasing the problem. We can all be suffering from Hypoxia. > > > > > > From 'Hypoxia' in Wikipedia: > > > " Histotoxic hypoxia in which quantity of oxygen reaching the cells is normal, but the cells are unable to effectively use the oxygen due to disabled oxidative phosphorylation enzymes. The effects of drinking alcoholic beverages is a common example. " > > > and > > > " If oxygen delivery to cells is insufficient for the demand (hypoxia), hydrogen will be shifted to pyruvic acid converting it to lactic acid. This temporary measure (anaerobic metabolism) allows small amounts of energy to be produced " . > > > > > > The increase in lactic acid could be the cause of fibromyalgia, and the imbalance in enzymes will then impair production of ATP, leading other problems. > > > > > > From Wikipedia " Oxidative phosphorylation is a metabolic pathway that uses energy released by the oxidation of nutrients to produce adenosine triphosphate (ATP) " > > > also more on oxidative phoshorylation: > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/bookshelf/br.fcgi?book=stryer & part=A2484 > > > > > > " the majority of ATP is generated by electron transport chains " . Maybe XMRV closes or opens gated cell membrane channels causing an electrical charge imbalance at the cellular level? An imbalance in PH can also impair ATP production. > > > > > > Maybe someone with molecular biology knowledge can research and expand on this. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 What does alcohol intolerance mean? a cheap drunk? nausea? bad hangover? I ask because I have an observation that's quite counterintuitive and compelling. From: dgawoski@... Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 01:59:44 +0000 Subject: Re: alcohol intolerance Hi everyone- This is a long thread so I hope this doesn't get buried, as I think the alcohol intolerance could be a key to understanding a mechanism of CFS. It could be that alchohol intolerance in CFS people is from a reduction of oxidative phosphorylation, with Alcohol increasing the problem. We can all be suffering from Hypoxia. From 'Hypoxia' in Wikipedia: " Histotoxic hypoxia in which quantity of oxygen reaching the cells is normal, but the cells are unable to effectively use the oxygen due to disabled oxidative phosphorylation enzymes. The effects of drinking alcoholic beverages is a common example. " and " If oxygen delivery to cells is insufficient for the demand (hypoxia), hydrogen will be shifted to pyruvic acid converting it to lactic acid. This temporary measure (anaerobic metabolism) allows small amounts of energy to be produced " . The increase in lactic acid could be the cause of fibromyalgia, and the imbalance in enzymes will then impair production of ATP, leading other problems. From Wikipedia " Oxidative phosphorylation is a metabolic pathway that uses energy released by the oxidation of nutrients to produce adenosine triphosphate (ATP) " also more on oxidative phoshorylation: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/bookshelf/br.fcgi?book=stryer & part=A2484 " the majority of ATP is generated by electron transport chains " . Maybe XMRV closes or opens gated cell membrane channels causing an electrical charge imbalance at the cellular level? An imbalance in PH can also impair ATP production. Maybe someone with molecular biology knowledge can research and expand on this. Doug > > > Why do we have alcohol intolerance? > > Another theory is that alcohol (along with other relapse inducers like ejaculation and mental and physical exertion) uses up some dopamine, which according to Jay Goldstein's model is already in short supply due to NMDA hyperactivity. > _________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 thanks doug. I have tried inosine a few times and my body doesnt seem to like it...once in the while take a little creatine and I think its ok.... > > Hi Kim- > > The CFS theory is the cells aren't getting oxygen, nutrients can't be oxidized to produce ATP(Adenosine-5'-triphosphate) or cellular chemical energy. Oxidation changes the electrical charge of molecules. This difference in electrical charge creates and transports ATP through cell membranes in a process called Chemiosmosis(I'm learning this as I write this).The cell has 'pores or channels' which respond to different substances to open or close. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_channel > > ATP supplements are available. There are are supplements you can take to help produce ATP, or are end products of ATP and will help with cellular energy. Some depend on methylation functioning properly. Creatine promotes ATP. I was taking NADH, CoQ10 and am still taking acetyl-L- Carnitine. > > The electrical differential and energy transport system is also effected by body Ph. If your kidney is damaged(from Mercury, toxic mold, pesticides) it may not produce enough bicarbonate and you might be too acidic. > http://www.imva.info/news/sodium-bicarbonate-kidney-disease.html#_edn3 > Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) corrects acidity. > Excess hydrogen sulfide from certain types of intestinal bacteria overgrowth can make you acidic. > > T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Hi, to me alcohol intolerance means: - drinking half a glas of champagne and feeling drunk immediately - totally out of proportion - when drinking a bit more than that: talking nonsense, having black-outs (never had them before I got ill) and then vomiting all night. - even the smallest amount makes the lactic acid in my back and neck rise to intollerable levels. Waking up is always painful but when I had a few sips of alcohol it's pure hell. - during sleep and the next day I have a very distinct feeling in my body: I shiver " inside " , like my vains are trembling. I can only compare it to the feeling I had once or twice before getting ill when I worked a whole day, then went to a party all night - drinking, dancing, ... , didn't sleep and went straight to work again. How I felt that second day of work, that's how I feel after drinking one glass of alcohol ... Don't know if alcohol intolerance means the same to others, but I can't describe it better than this. Els > > > > > > > Why do we have alcohol intolerance? > > > > > > Another theory is that alcohol (along with other relapse inducers like ejaculation and mental and physical exertion) uses up some dopamine, which according to Jay Goldstein's model is already in short supply due to NMDA hyperactivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Thanks for sharing that. It's funny, you'd likely hear the same report at an AA meeting: getting rocked off one drink; talking nonsense; blackout; that awful inner feeling; etc.. My experience is similar. The one thing I'd like to add is that three to four days of dedicated alcohol consumption clears oxygen toxicity. I don't have Dr. Cheney's IVRT gauge at my disposal -which is probably the world's most expensive electrodermal screening machine- and I understand I'm taking a bit of liberty with his ideas, but I'm pretty sure about this conclusion. I experience complete remediation of leaky gut, electrical sensitivity, cerebral hypoperfusion, and even post-exertional malaise by my third day drinking. The bags leave my eyes, I'm no longer congested. I've benefited to a lesser extent from wormwood, artemisinin, magnesium, so I'm pretty it's in the same ballpark. My doctor's suggested it's not a good long-term strategy, I agree, but it's at least interesting. There's a PubMed article about alcohol's effect on NF Kappa B in mice. I believe it's this mechanism that's affecting cellular energy. And the gut leaks because of this energy deficiency. From: eanestor@... Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:43:35 +0000 Subject: Re: alcohol intolerance Hi, to me alcohol intolerance means: - drinking half a glas of champagne and feeling drunk immediately - totally out of proportion - when drinking a bit more than that: talking nonsense, having black-outs (never had them before I got ill) and then vomiting all night. - even the smallest amount makes the lactic acid in my back and neck rise to intollerable levels. Waking up is always painful but when I had a few sips of alcohol it's pure hell. - during sleep and the next day I have a very distinct feeling in my body: I shiver " inside " , like my vains are trembling. I can only compare it to the feeling I had once or twice before getting ill when I worked a whole day, then went to a party all night - drinking, dancing, ... , didn't sleep and went straight to work again. How I felt that second day of work, that's how I feel after drinking one glass of alcohol ... Don't know if alcohol intolerance means the same to others, but I can't describe it better than this. Els > > > > > > > Why do we have alcohol intolerance? > > > > > > Another theory is that alcohol (along with other relapse inducers like ejaculation and mental and physical exertion) uses up some dopamine, which according to Jay Goldstein's model is already in short supply due to NMDA hyperactivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Thanks for that information on the benefits of Alcohol I think I need to start drinking Steve On Jan 11, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Graeme R wrote: > > Thanks for sharing that. It's funny, you'd likely hear the same > report at an AA meeting: getting rocked off one drink; talking > nonsense; blackout; that awful inner feeling; etc.. My experience is > similar. The one thing I'd like to add is that three to four days of > dedicated alcohol consumption clears oxygen toxicity. I don't have > Dr. Cheney's IVRT gauge at my disposal -which is probably the > world's most expensive electrodermal screening machine- and I > understand I'm taking a bit of liberty with his ideas, but I'm > pretty sure about this conclusion. I experience complete remediation > of leaky gut, electrical sensitivity, cerebral hypoperfusion, and > even post-exertional malaise by my third day drinking. The bags > leave my eyes, I'm no longer congested. I've benefited to a lesser > extent from wormwood, artemisinin, magnesium, so I'm pretty it's in > the same ballpark. My doctor's suggested it's not a good long-term > strategy, I agree, but it's at least interesting. There's a PubMed > article about alcohol's effect on NF Kappa B in mice. I believe it's > this mechanism that's affecting cellular energy. And the gut leaks > because of this energy deficiency. > > From: eanestor@... > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:43:35 +0000 > Subject: Re: alcohol intolerance > > Hi, > > to me alcohol intolerance means: > > - drinking half a glas of champagne and feeling drunk immediately - > totally out of proportion > > - when drinking a bit more than that: talking nonsense, having black- > outs (never had them before I got ill) and then vomiting all night. > > - even the smallest amount makes the lactic acid in my back and neck > rise to intollerable levels. Waking up is always painful but when I > had a few sips of alcohol it's pure hell. > > - during sleep and the next day I have a very distinct feeling in my > body: I shiver " inside " , like my vains are trembling. > > I can only compare it to the feeling I had once or twice before > getting ill when I worked a whole day, then went to a party all > night - drinking, dancing, ... , didn't sleep and went straight to > work again. How I felt that second day of work, that's how I feel > after drinking one glass of alcohol ... > > Don't know if alcohol intolerance means the same to others, but I > can't describe it better than this. > > Els > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do we have alcohol intolerance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another theory is that alcohol (along with other relapse > inducers like ejaculation and mental and physical exertion) uses up > some dopamine, which according to Jay Goldstein's model is already > in short supply due to NMDA hyperactivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 that is hilarious thread! but very intriguing, isnt that related to why some people feel better on benzos and painkillers? its not all just some hedonistic abstract addiction. But I am curious along that line of thinking, if I would keep taking artesunate or wormwood if I would start to feel better? after the 4th day haha cus everytime i try a little for one day I am in pain for like the next 2-3 days so it puts me off it.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do we have alcohol intolerance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another theory is that alcohol (along with other relapse > > inducers like ejaculation and mental and physical exertion) uses up > > some dopamine, which according to Jay Goldstein's model is already > > in short supply due to NMDA hyperactivity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 > > On Jan 11, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Graeme R wrote: > > > The one thing I'd like to add is that three to four days of > > > dedicated alcohol consumption clears oxygen toxicity. [...] > > > I experience complete remediation > > > of leaky gut, electrical sensitivity, cerebral > > > hypoperfusion, and even post-exertional malaise by my > > > third day drinking. The bags > > > leave my eyes, I'm no longer congested. > > > I've benefited to a lesser > > > extent from wormwood, artemisinin, magnesium, so > > > I'm pretty it's in the same ballpark. I'm not surprised that, despite how alcohol wipes out lots of nutrients from the system, that you could have this result, and many people might. I could never understand how my parents' generation, the WWII vets and their contemporaries, could be such heavy drinkers and smokers and not suffer any more ill effects than they did, which didn't much catch up to them til most hit about 65+ yrs old, some 40+ years later! If I had done what they did, and what most of my friends' parents did, I/we would have been long gone by now. A small amount of alcohol, and not every day, might actually be helpful to the liver occasionally? Carol W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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