Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 > From that site, I have also now learned of the incredible dangers of the chemical chelator methods - EDTA, DMPS, DMSA and DMSO. These sound VERY bad so I will definitely be steering clear of those! , I have to disagree with your emphasis on the " incredible dangers " of chelation therapy. I myself have been exposed to both DMPS and DMSA, and I do believe that if I had not used the DMSA, I would not be as healed as I am now. The DMPS, I will agree, must be used with extreme caution. I had it injected as a challenge test for heavy metal toxicity only. I did not suffer adverse affects from it (that I know of), but I would not use it again. The therapy that my naturopath prescribed for me was 50 mg DMSA for 30 days, with a 30 day break, and then another 30 days of it. Testing after this therapy revealed a nearly absent load of heavy metals, specifically mercury, in my urine output. I did feel much improved over the first few months. However, by the 4th month after chelation therapy, I started to go downhill again. This is in accordance with Cutler, PhD's prediction in his book " Amalgam Illness " , where he suggests that DMSA therapy MUST be continued over a course of time to ensure the removal of metals from intracellular spaces, where it likes to hide out. The fact that DMSA is obtained by prescription only prevents abuse of this substance for the most part, and ensures that it is only used by those who are qualified to do so. However, I have found DMSA through the Internet, put out by a very reputable research company (Thorne Research) and have been able to continue using this substance on occasion when I feel that my heavy metal load may be starting to become higher than it should be. Certainly, there are natural methods to HELP remove heavy metals. However, these will never be as effective in removal of heavy metals to the extent that chelators are. I am almost 100% back to normal after removal of my amalgams and other heavy metal loads. It has taken alot of time and effort, but I do not consider my chelation therapy to have been a negative experience in that effort. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 > From that site, I have also now learned of the incredible dangers of the chemical chelator methods - EDTA, DMPS, DMSA and DMSO. These sound VERY bad so I will definitely be steering clear of those! , I have to disagree with your emphasis on the " incredible dangers " of chelation therapy. I myself have been exposed to both DMPS and DMSA, and I do believe that if I had not used the DMSA, I would not be as healed as I am now. The DMPS, I will agree, must be used with extreme caution. I had it injected as a challenge test for heavy metal toxicity only. I did not suffer adverse affects from it (that I know of), but I would not use it again. The therapy that my naturopath prescribed for me was 50 mg DMSA for 30 days, with a 30 day break, and then another 30 days of it. Testing after this therapy revealed a nearly absent load of heavy metals, specifically mercury, in my urine output. I did feel much improved over the first few months. However, by the 4th month after chelation therapy, I started to go downhill again. This is in accordance with Cutler, PhD's prediction in his book " Amalgam Illness " , where he suggests that DMSA therapy MUST be continued over a course of time to ensure the removal of metals from intracellular spaces, where it likes to hide out. The fact that DMSA is obtained by prescription only prevents abuse of this substance for the most part, and ensures that it is only used by those who are qualified to do so. However, I have found DMSA through the Internet, put out by a very reputable research company (Thorne Research) and have been able to continue using this substance on occasion when I feel that my heavy metal load may be starting to become higher than it should be. Certainly, there are natural methods to HELP remove heavy metals. However, these will never be as effective in removal of heavy metals to the extent that chelators are. I am almost 100% back to normal after removal of my amalgams and other heavy metal loads. It has taken alot of time and effort, but I do not consider my chelation therapy to have been a negative experience in that effort. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Mike, how about some more fasting. Bragg in his book wrote of passing a lump of metal (silver, I think) which was a component of some medicine he had been given in childhood. Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Dear , The greatest excretion of mercury from the body can be effected with the ozone sauna. This can be supplemented by ear insufflation to get at deposits in the brain. Everybody around here is using DMSA. I don't believe methionine can lead to heart disease. Methionine is the 'queen of the aminos', and a necessity for proper liver operation. Heart disease is much more related to nutrient deficiencies: Vitamin C, Vitamin E, magnesium, coenzyme Q10, B vitamins, etc.; and bacterial infection (staph, chlamydia, etc.); and chronic oxygen insufficiency. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: " Fitzgerald " <f-m-f-s@...> Reply-oxyplus " OxyPlus Group " <oxyplus > Subject: Mercury detox Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:18:25 +0100 Dear Saul and rest of group, I am growing increasingly convinced that one of the roots of my long-standing health problems is due to heavy metal overload from dental amalgams. As many of you know, I had my fillings removed a few years ago in Germany, but have never made a special effort to remove already released metals from embedded body tissues. With my continuing CFS, adrenal and thyroid problems I've recently been reading a few mercury websites as I am now extremely serious about doing some real metal detoxing. I believe that, perhaps, just as one example, my pituitary gland, the master endocrine gland that controls the thyroid and adrenals, is loaded and/or damaged from years of heavy metal release. If you read the wonderful information on http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/amalgam.html and http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/EN/dmps.html and http://www.holisticmed.com/dental/amalgam/ you will see that pituitary damage is one of the common outcomes from heavy metal fillings. From that site, I have also now learned of the incredible dangers of the chemical chelator methods - EDTA, DMPS, DMSA and DMSO. These sound VERY bad so I will definitely be steering clear of those! Also, according to these sites, Methionine, which is another widely mentioned aid is VERY dangerous and can lead to massive heart disease!!! So, where does that leave me and others who seriously want to finally shed these deadly pollutants from out bodies ? I've read and heard of the usefulness of vitamin programs, largely B vitamins, about glutathione, NAC, cabbage, mung beans, kyolic liquid garlic, chlorella, cilantro, horsetail, whey and ozone. But, how effective are these really ? Are they truly capable of shifting heavy metals from tissues or are they a bit light-weight ? Does anyone know of a good source for these products too as I'm having trouble finding them ? Is ozone an effective method ? If so, which specific ozone therapies would be most effective, particularly for removing metals from the brain, pituitary and thyroid ? Could anyone offer a comprehensive list of truly effective non-dangerous chelators and/or detox methods and where to get them from ? I realise this is quite a few questions but would really appreciate your much valued input on these matters. Thanks to everyone in advance! Best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Dear , The greatest excretion of mercury from the body can be effected with the ozone sauna. This can be supplemented by ear insufflation to get at deposits in the brain. Everybody around here is using DMSA. I don't believe methionine can lead to heart disease. Methionine is the 'queen of the aminos', and a necessity for proper liver operation. Heart disease is much more related to nutrient deficiencies: Vitamin C, Vitamin E, magnesium, coenzyme Q10, B vitamins, etc.; and bacterial infection (staph, chlamydia, etc.); and chronic oxygen insufficiency. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: " Fitzgerald " <f-m-f-s@...> Reply-oxyplus " OxyPlus Group " <oxyplus > Subject: Mercury detox Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:18:25 +0100 Dear Saul and rest of group, I am growing increasingly convinced that one of the roots of my long-standing health problems is due to heavy metal overload from dental amalgams. As many of you know, I had my fillings removed a few years ago in Germany, but have never made a special effort to remove already released metals from embedded body tissues. With my continuing CFS, adrenal and thyroid problems I've recently been reading a few mercury websites as I am now extremely serious about doing some real metal detoxing. I believe that, perhaps, just as one example, my pituitary gland, the master endocrine gland that controls the thyroid and adrenals, is loaded and/or damaged from years of heavy metal release. If you read the wonderful information on http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/amalgam.html and http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/EN/dmps.html and http://www.holisticmed.com/dental/amalgam/ you will see that pituitary damage is one of the common outcomes from heavy metal fillings. From that site, I have also now learned of the incredible dangers of the chemical chelator methods - EDTA, DMPS, DMSA and DMSO. These sound VERY bad so I will definitely be steering clear of those! Also, according to these sites, Methionine, which is another widely mentioned aid is VERY dangerous and can lead to massive heart disease!!! So, where does that leave me and others who seriously want to finally shed these deadly pollutants from out bodies ? I've read and heard of the usefulness of vitamin programs, largely B vitamins, about glutathione, NAC, cabbage, mung beans, kyolic liquid garlic, chlorella, cilantro, horsetail, whey and ozone. But, how effective are these really ? Are they truly capable of shifting heavy metals from tissues or are they a bit light-weight ? Does anyone know of a good source for these products too as I'm having trouble finding them ? Is ozone an effective method ? If so, which specific ozone therapies would be most effective, particularly for removing metals from the brain, pituitary and thyroid ? Could anyone offer a comprehensive list of truly effective non-dangerous chelators and/or detox methods and where to get them from ? I realise this is quite a few questions but would really appreciate your much valued input on these matters. Thanks to everyone in advance! Best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 , If you don't mind, what are EDTA, DMPS, DMSA and DMSO? Will you give a brief description of the dangers of using these chemical chelator methods? Thanks, Deanna > From that site, I have also now learned of the incredible dangers of > the chemical chelator methods - EDTA, DMPS, DMSA and DMSO. > These sound VERY bad so I will definitely be steering clear of those! > Also, according to these sites, Methionine, which is another widely > mentioned aid is VERY dangerous and can lead to massive heart > disease!!! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 I know of a group of patients who get edta on a regular basis, for a variety of problems, mostly heart conditions. Haven't heard any complaints in 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 What is edta please? On Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:55:22 -0400 (EDT) alltogethernow@... writes: > I know of a group of patients who get edta on a regular basis, for a ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Patty, Why would you not use it again? Deanna > The DMPS, I will agree, must be used with extreme caution. I had it > injected as a challenge test for heavy metal toxicity only. I did > not suffer adverse affects from it (that I know of), but I would not use > it again. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Dear Saul, Thanks for that. You don't have to rub it in that I can't get my ozone sauna yet!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) I'm not overkeen on the DMSA thing, though there was an interesting post from Patty about her positive experiences with it (Thanks Patty!!). I was only really going on what I read last night on a mercury detox website with regard to the dangers of chemical chelation and methionine. In fact, it's nice to hear some positive notes from you guys on it! Now, that's interesting Saul. Your point on the ear insufflation helping remove mercury from the brain. As you know, I've been using your 1040 to do ear insufflation 15min each ear almost daily since I got it a few weeks ago. Though I've had no ear discharge as expected whatsoever, as you all know, I have had returns to occasional suicidal depressions (though, thankfully, not since that last day) Now I'm wondering if they were perhaps due to dislodging heavy metal from my brain which, I believe, severe depression is very closely related to. What do you think ? Best wishes PS btw Saul, I noticed that the AloeEssence you mentioned is based in Langley BC too. Do you sell their aloe yourself and, if so, do you think you could be so kind as to send me some together with the M.Blue and OOO ?? You may want to post me off-list. Thanks! Mercury detox Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:18:25 +0100 Dear Saul and rest of group, I am growing increasingly convinced that one of the roots of my long-standing health problems is due to heavy metal overload from dental amalgams. As many of you know, I had my fillings removed a few years ago in Germany, but have never made a special effort to remove already released metals from embedded body tissues. With my continuing CFS, adrenal and thyroid problems I've recently been reading a few mercury websites as I am now extremely serious about doing some real metal detoxing. I believe that, perhaps, just as one example, my pituitary gland, the master endocrine gland that controls the thyroid and adrenals, is loaded and/or damaged from years of heavy metal release. If you read the wonderful information on http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/amalgam.html and http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/EN/dmps.html and http://www.holisticmed.com/dental/amalgam/ you will see that pituitary damage is one of the common outcomes from heavy metal fillings. From that site, I have also now learned of the incredible dangers of the chemical chelator methods - EDTA, DMPS, DMSA and DMSO. These sound VERY bad so I will definitely be steering clear of those! Also, according to these sites, Methionine, which is another widely mentioned aid is VERY dangerous and can lead to massive heart disease!!! So, where does that leave me and others who seriously want to finally shed these deadly pollutants from out bodies ? I've read and heard of the usefulness of vitamin programs, largely B vitamins, about glutathione, NAC, cabbage, mung beans, kyolic liquid garlic, chlorella, cilantro, horsetail, whey and ozone. But, how effective are these really ? Are they truly capable of shifting heavy metals from tissues or are they a bit light-weight ? Does anyone know of a good source for these products too as I'm having trouble finding them ? Is ozone an effective method ? If so, which specific ozone therapies would be most effective, particularly for removing metals from the brain, pituitary and thyroid ? Could anyone offer a comprehensive list of truly effective non-dangerous chelators and/or detox methods and where to get them from ? I realise this is quite a few questions but would really appreciate your much valued input on these matters. Thanks to everyone in advance! Best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Dear Saul, Thanks for that. You don't have to rub it in that I can't get my ozone sauna yet!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) I'm not overkeen on the DMSA thing, though there was an interesting post from Patty about her positive experiences with it (Thanks Patty!!). I was only really going on what I read last night on a mercury detox website with regard to the dangers of chemical chelation and methionine. In fact, it's nice to hear some positive notes from you guys on it! Now, that's interesting Saul. Your point on the ear insufflation helping remove mercury from the brain. As you know, I've been using your 1040 to do ear insufflation 15min each ear almost daily since I got it a few weeks ago. Though I've had no ear discharge as expected whatsoever, as you all know, I have had returns to occasional suicidal depressions (though, thankfully, not since that last day) Now I'm wondering if they were perhaps due to dislodging heavy metal from my brain which, I believe, severe depression is very closely related to. What do you think ? Best wishes PS btw Saul, I noticed that the AloeEssence you mentioned is based in Langley BC too. Do you sell their aloe yourself and, if so, do you think you could be so kind as to send me some together with the M.Blue and OOO ?? You may want to post me off-list. Thanks! Mercury detox Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:18:25 +0100 Dear Saul and rest of group, I am growing increasingly convinced that one of the roots of my long-standing health problems is due to heavy metal overload from dental amalgams. As many of you know, I had my fillings removed a few years ago in Germany, but have never made a special effort to remove already released metals from embedded body tissues. With my continuing CFS, adrenal and thyroid problems I've recently been reading a few mercury websites as I am now extremely serious about doing some real metal detoxing. I believe that, perhaps, just as one example, my pituitary gland, the master endocrine gland that controls the thyroid and adrenals, is loaded and/or damaged from years of heavy metal release. If you read the wonderful information on http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/amalgam.html and http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/EN/dmps.html and http://www.holisticmed.com/dental/amalgam/ you will see that pituitary damage is one of the common outcomes from heavy metal fillings. From that site, I have also now learned of the incredible dangers of the chemical chelator methods - EDTA, DMPS, DMSA and DMSO. These sound VERY bad so I will definitely be steering clear of those! Also, according to these sites, Methionine, which is another widely mentioned aid is VERY dangerous and can lead to massive heart disease!!! So, where does that leave me and others who seriously want to finally shed these deadly pollutants from out bodies ? I've read and heard of the usefulness of vitamin programs, largely B vitamins, about glutathione, NAC, cabbage, mung beans, kyolic liquid garlic, chlorella, cilantro, horsetail, whey and ozone. But, how effective are these really ? Are they truly capable of shifting heavy metals from tissues or are they a bit light-weight ? Does anyone know of a good source for these products too as I'm having trouble finding them ? Is ozone an effective method ? If so, which specific ozone therapies would be most effective, particularly for removing metals from the brain, pituitary and thyroid ? Could anyone offer a comprehensive list of truly effective non-dangerous chelators and/or detox methods and where to get them from ? I realise this is quite a few questions but would really appreciate your much valued input on these matters. Thanks to everyone in advance! Best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Thanks Alltogethernow for the positive contribution on EDTA. I didn't mean to sound negative about these chemical chelators as I have absolutely no knowledge of them I had just read, briefly, last night of the opinions of some people on a mercury detox website concerning the apparent dangers. I'm extremely glad that your group of patients have benefited using EDTA and I'm sure there are many other people out there with similar success stories with EDTA and the other chelators I mentioned. But, I think, if there are dangers associated with them we all need to be aware of them. Before reading these 'opinions' last night, I had no idea that there was any danger connected with these chelators and had, in fact, heard EDTA, particularly, mentioned on a regular basis in many health books I've read. Yours, is the kind of feedback I'm interested in hearing. Thanks. If you can expand on the detail of your knowledge and/or experience on these matters or point me in the direction of sources of further information I would appreciate it. Re: Mercury detox I know of a group of patients who get edta on a regular basis, for a variety of problems, mostly heart conditions. Haven't heard any complaints in 4 years. OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Thanks Alltogethernow for the positive contribution on EDTA. I didn't mean to sound negative about these chemical chelators as I have absolutely no knowledge of them I had just read, briefly, last night of the opinions of some people on a mercury detox website concerning the apparent dangers. I'm extremely glad that your group of patients have benefited using EDTA and I'm sure there are many other people out there with similar success stories with EDTA and the other chelators I mentioned. But, I think, if there are dangers associated with them we all need to be aware of them. Before reading these 'opinions' last night, I had no idea that there was any danger connected with these chelators and had, in fact, heard EDTA, particularly, mentioned on a regular basis in many health books I've read. Yours, is the kind of feedback I'm interested in hearing. Thanks. If you can expand on the detail of your knowledge and/or experience on these matters or point me in the direction of sources of further information I would appreciate it. Re: Mercury detox I know of a group of patients who get edta on a regular basis, for a variety of problems, mostly heart conditions. Haven't heard any complaints in 4 years. OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Jeff, Despite Ron's much appreciated comments on fasting and mercury, based on my understanding and experience, I think fasting is a useful adjunct to removing all the built up toxic mass, including heavy metals, from your tissues. I do plan to do another fast to aid in this but, at the moment, feel like my body is in a stage requiring more 'building up' than 'tearing down'. Is that Bragg of Bragg's Aminos ? What is the title of his book ? I'd be interesting in reading that. Thanks for your comments Jeff. Re: Mercury detox Mike, how about some more fasting. Bragg in his book wrote of passing a lump of metal (silver, I think) which was a component of some medicine he had been given in childhood. Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Jeff, Despite Ron's much appreciated comments on fasting and mercury, based on my understanding and experience, I think fasting is a useful adjunct to removing all the built up toxic mass, including heavy metals, from your tissues. I do plan to do another fast to aid in this but, at the moment, feel like my body is in a stage requiring more 'building up' than 'tearing down'. Is that Bragg of Bragg's Aminos ? What is the title of his book ? I'd be interesting in reading that. Thanks for your comments Jeff. Re: Mercury detox Mike, how about some more fasting. Bragg in his book wrote of passing a lump of metal (silver, I think) which was a component of some medicine he had been given in childhood. Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Deanna, If you check out the website I mentioned earlier, you should find a wealth of information - more than I could give you. To be honest, with my current limited web access I have to admit to not having read a great deal of the site yet but this link should take you to an interesting page on the chemical chelators you mentioned, obviously, with links to a whole host of related information in depth. http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/EN/dmps.html Re: Mercury detox , If you don't mind, what are EDTA, DMPS, DMSA and DMSO? Will you give a brief description of the dangers of using these chemical chelator methods? Thanks, Deanna > From that site, I have also now learned of the incredible dangers of > the chemical chelator methods - EDTA, DMPS, DMSA and DMSO. > These sound VERY bad so I will definitely be steering clear of those! > Also, according to these sites, Methionine, which is another widely > mentioned aid is VERY dangerous and can lead to massive heart > disease!!! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Deanna, If you check out the website I mentioned earlier, you should find a wealth of information - more than I could give you. To be honest, with my current limited web access I have to admit to not having read a great deal of the site yet but this link should take you to an interesting page on the chemical chelators you mentioned, obviously, with links to a whole host of related information in depth. http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/EN/dmps.html Re: Mercury detox , If you don't mind, what are EDTA, DMPS, DMSA and DMSO? Will you give a brief description of the dangers of using these chemical chelator methods? Thanks, Deanna > From that site, I have also now learned of the incredible dangers of > the chemical chelator methods - EDTA, DMPS, DMSA and DMSO. > These sound VERY bad so I will definitely be steering clear of those! > Also, according to these sites, Methionine, which is another widely > mentioned aid is VERY dangerous and can lead to massive heart > disease!!! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Mike, it's called The Miracle of Fasting by the same Bragg. I was impressed by the idea that his body released the stuff all at once in a lump. He had fasted regulary for quite some time before this years old accumulation was thrown off en masse. Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2001 Report Share Posted July 21, 2001 Because DMSA can perform the same function, but is safer to use. Patty ___________________ > Patty, > Why would you not use it again? > Deanna > > > The DMPS, I will agree, must be used with extreme caution. I had it > > injected as a challenge test for heavy metal toxicity only. I did > > not suffer adverse affects from it (that I know of), but I would not > use > > it again. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 Hi All, I just wanted to put in my " two cents worth " on mercury chelation. I used DMPS for over 6 months. After the DMPS shots, I used DMSA for a month. This got all of the mercury out of my system but it didn't make feel one bit better. (But it didn't make me feel any worse, either.) So, from my perspective, mercury chelation is very overrated. Don't get me wrong. I don't think that having mercury in the body is a good thing. But to blame all of my problems on mercury was being nearsighted. At this point in time, I believe that mercury " poisoning " is just a symptom of a deeper problem. I now believe that my main problem is excess fibrinogen and/or fibrin. This stuff clogs up my endothelial cells and disrupts cellular permeability. So I suspect the mercury poisoning was from my abnormal cellular permeability and/or malnutrition due to the abnormal permeability. I would also like to comment on the urine lab tests for mercury toxicity. I used a lab called Doctor's Data. They used a reference range that was for non-challenged levels of mercury. On my lab report, it noted that I had a DMPS challenge but they still used the non-challenged reference range. I think that this is very deceptive. This makes the mercury levels look sky high. Granted, mercury is not a good thing in any amount. But, as others have pointed out, mercury chelation can be somewhat risky. So if you decide to do a challenge test to determine your mercury levels, do some research and find out what the " acceptable " levels of mercury are for a DMPS (or DMSA) challenge test. Don't just trust the reference range. But in my opinion, it is better to look for other solutions to your health problems than to use mercury chelation. Sincerely, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 RE: Mercury Detox .. I now believe that my main problem is excess > fibrinogen and/or fibrin. This stuff clogs up my endothelial cells and > disrupts cellular permeability. Hi Rich, It's nice to hear from you again. I'm glad you posted what you did. Some people say everything is due to mercury poisioning; but others, when having their fillings removed, still do not recover. This has always been very confusing to me. My question to you is: How did you determine your problem is an excess of fibrinogen and or fibrin? How does one find that out? Is there a test, or what? And do you think this is the cause of your cfs? Thanks, Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2001 Report Share Posted July 24, 2001 > > Hi Rich, > > It's nice to hear from you again. I'm glad you posted what you did. Some > people say everything is due to mercury poisioning; but others, when having > their fillings removed, still do not recover. This has always been very > confusing to me. My question to you is: How did you determine your problem > is an excess of fibrinogen and or fibrin? How does one find that out? Is > there a test, or what? And do you think this is the cause of your cfs? > > Thanks, > > Gail Hi Gail, It's nice to hear from you, too! Well, I first became aware of excess fibrinogen at www.hemex.com (The site for Hemex labs.) According to Hemex, 75% of chronic fatigue and/or fibromyalgia patients have hypercoagulation. (Thick blood.) So I took Hemex's ISAC test panel. (Very expensive!) Sure enough, I had very high levels of fibrinogen and other markers of hypercoagulation. (If you just want to check your fibrinogen levels, your local lab can do this. It only cost me $33.75 (plus a $7.00 blood drawing fee) at my local lab.) I don't know of any lab test for fibrin, though. The closest thing is a soluble fibrin monomer test (part of the ISAC panel) at Hemex Labs. Fibrin is insoluble so this isn't quite the same thing. So it is just speculation that I have a problem with fibrin. However, fibrinogen is a precursor to fibrin so it makes sense that I also would have elevated levels of fibrin. I haven't been able to find any microbes in me yet. No parasites either. This doesn't mean that I don't have them, though. Although elevated fibrinogen can be caused by microbes, I think it is genetic in my case. So I do think that fibrinogen is the cause of my CFS. Excess fibrinogen is also a marker for increased risk of heart disease so it is worth checking. I hope this answers your questions. Sincerely, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009  FWIW.....A doc just told me about a product called Metal Magic. She said the studies are impressive. I have not checked it out yet.  Josie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Sound like something you buy on late night TV But please send more information Right now I'm looking in to LED Laser Energetic Detox Steve On Dec 25, 2009, at 3:05 PM, PickPinkFlowers wrote: > FWIW.....A doc just told me about a product called Metal Magic. > She said the studies are > impressive. I have not checked it out yet. Josie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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