Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 In a message dated 10/17/04 3:42:09 PM Central Daylight Time, aluckower@... writes: > however, none of this is not rocket science folks. > > the whole super technical side of far infrared is a big bunch of hooey. > overintellectualizations on a very simple body process, sweating. > > fir heaters cause you to sweat in such a way that ambient air temperature > does not have to get very high. sick people can be very sensitive to high > temperatures and in this regard fir saunas have a great use. my own take on > this is that very hot temperatures can cause incomplete cleansing reactions > with metals, moving metals around internally and then ultimately > redepositing them. > > i bought a wooden box fir unit from kevin at nature's spectrum. imo opinion > he is a far more honorable person to deal with than jim. i would recommend > The FIR Domes are not saunas. they are a Dome that you lay under and there is not any sweating going on so all the benefits are from the FIR. The idea of the Dome is that you are being bomb barded by the FIR from all angles becaused of the curved action. I've been working with a RN who has a lady in her home with severe diabetes as a matter of fact, she has had both legs amputated several inches below the knee. We put her on the Chi machine and under the Dome 3 X aday. She had been on 75 units of insulin. She had not had any since the beginning of these sessions because her sugar level have been in a good range. This is not the first time we have had success in this area. It's more than sweating. edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 i was a member of jim's group list briefly last year when i first was researching far infrared. comments at end of post i think he has some very good ideas. the best of which is using two tdp lamps in a bathroom. though i haven't tried it, i think it is very clever and see no reason why it wouldn't work. however, none of this is not rocket science folks. the whole super technical side of far infrared is a big bunch of hooey. overintellectualizations on a very simple body process, sweating. fir heaters cause you to sweat in such a way that ambient air temperature does not have to get very high. sick people can be very sensitive to high temperatures and in this regard fir saunas have a great use. my own take on this is that very hot temperatures can cause incomplete cleansing reactions with metals, moving metals around internally and then ultimately redepositing them. i bought a wooden box fir unit from kevin at nature's spectrum. imo opinion he is a far more honorable person to deal with than jim. i would recommend him to anyone here that is interested in pursuing fir. last year my mercury detox got really bad, and the fir saunas have reversed dyslexia brought on by the detox. it was a life saver in conjunction with other therapies including ozone and liver flushes. with regard to jim's group... while there is some good information floating around, there is just as good information here and a whole lot more. i feel jim tries to exert a subtle control over the people there. as soon as i tried to voice my ideas on his group it was suggested that i leave. so i left. i think it is good that jim is here on oxyplus, hopefully learning a thing or two about the complexities of cfs. kevin's website http://www.infraredhealth.com/ i have had numerous conversations with kevin about the tdp lamps and fir in general and he has always been forthcoming and helpful. i never got the vibe that he put money ahead of health. kevin is the best testimonial of all with regard to the benefits of the fir sauna as he has recovered almost completely from cfs. attitude aside, i agree with jim's comment about the bulb saunas. they just get too hot, and this is what some metal toxic people are trying to avoid. in conversastions with the engineers at saunacore, i was informed that fir is simply caused by the heating of any ceramic material. some of the manufacturers try to suck you into the value of certain wavelengths, but i think this is way overhyped. i've tried the saunex sauna and the saunacore sauna. i actually sweated alot more in the saunacore because of the added benefit of being in an enclosed space. in the saunas where your head pops out, this will lower your body temp and imo retard sweating a bit. equally important as the technicalities of wavelength and type of sauna is the issue of hydration which is unique to the individual. improperly hydrated, i will not sweat much in any type of sauna. in some cases plain water can further dehydrate a person. so then we are in the area of minerals, electrolytes, nutrition, etc. this can get complicated. jim, your comments to jill only expose your true colors, which were very obvious to me when you tried to censor my ideas on your list. -petty healthgear peddler review board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 In a message dated 10/17/04 8:04:52 PM Central Daylight Time, obie@... writes: > Edith, read your post, I'm interested. I have a Chi machine and my Lady > continues to have little peaks; up to 230 sometimes, mostly around 150. Do > you and your RN friend think these results are because of the Chi machine or > from the FIR Dome, please? Obie. > Obie, We have tried this with several other people but we have always used the 2 together. All have had good results. I'm sorry I can't be of more help in this area. Do you think Maxine has shown any better response using the Chi? I have a friend who lives close to you I think. She lives out of on. I'll bet she would let you try her Fir Dome for a week or so to see. Don't you live near on? Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 i agree w/ your post, arthur. you state: as soon as i tried to voice my ideas on his group it was suggested that i leave. so i left. that's what happened to me on that list, too...actually i was asking questions, but that was seen as incorrect, as that list was apparently simply for following jim's program, so i left jim developed a program even though he is not a doctor and never had cfs, and i agree, does not understand the complexities at least in some cases. it's okay to suggest fir heat lamps, even sell them, imo, as long as one is HONEST. you are also right, the bulbs do get hot. some can take it some can't. as you know i have a bulb sauna. the closet space i put them in is really a bit too small for them. also i love steam and always have. i like the steam cabinet better. > > i was a member of jim's group list briefly last year when i first was > researching far infrared. comments at end of post > > i think he has some very good ideas. the best of which is using two tdp > lamps in a bathroom. though i haven't tried it, i think it is very clever > and see no reason why it wouldn't work. > > however, none of this is not rocket science folks. > > the whole super technical side of far infrared is a big bunch of hooey. > overintellectualizations on a very simple body process, sweating. > > fir heaters cause you to sweat in such a way that ambient air temperature > does not have to get very high. sick people can be very sensitive to high > temperatures and in this regard fir saunas have a great use. my own take on > this is that very hot temperatures can cause incomplete cleansing reactions > with metals, moving metals around internally and then ultimately > redepositing them. > > i bought a wooden box fir unit from kevin at nature's spectrum. imo opinion > he is a far more honorable person to deal with than jim. i would recommend > him to anyone here that is interested in pursuing fir. > > last year my mercury detox got really bad, and the fir saunas have reversed > dyslexia brought on by the detox. it was a life saver in conjunction with > other therapies including ozone and liver flushes. > > with regard to jim's group... while there is some good information floating > around, there is just as good information here and a whole lot more. i feel > jim tries to exert a subtle control over the people there. as soon as i > tried to voice my ideas on his group it was suggested that i leave. so i > left. i think it is good that jim is here on oxyplus, hopefully learning a > thing or two about the complexities of cfs. > > kevin's website > http://www.infraredhealth.com/ > > i have had numerous conversations with kevin about the tdp lamps and fir in > general and he has always been forthcoming and helpful. i never got the vibe > that he put money ahead of health. > > kevin is the best testimonial of all with regard to the benefits of the fir > sauna as he has recovered almost completely from cfs. > > attitude aside, i agree with jim's comment about the bulb saunas. they just > get too hot, and this is what some metal toxic people are trying to avoid. > > in conversastions with the engineers at saunacore, i was informed that fir > is simply caused by the heating of any ceramic material. some of the > manufacturers try to suck you into the value of certain wavelengths, but i > think this is way overhyped. i've tried the saunex sauna and the saunacore > sauna. i actually sweated alot more in the saunacore because of the added > benefit of being in an enclosed space. in the saunas where your head pops > out, this will lower your body temp and imo retard sweating a bit. > > equally important as the technicalities of wavelength and type of sauna is > the issue of hydration which is unique to the individual. improperly > hydrated, i will not sweat much in any type of sauna. in some cases plain > water can further dehydrate a person. so then we are in the area of > minerals, electrolytes, nutrition, etc. this can get complicated. > > jim, your comments to jill only expose your true colors, which were very > obvious to me when you tried to censor my ideas on your list. > > > -petty healthgear peddler review board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Hi, I have been reading some of these posts about the FIR dome. My dad is 80 years old and has diabetes. His blood sugar level are extreme. He goes from 40 to 490. I want to help him. He is in Boston. Is there anybody here that could please tell me more and if there is someone in that area ? Thanks so much. Holly ejohns9525@... wrote: >In a message dated 10/17/04 3:42:09 PM Central Daylight Time, >aluckower@... writes: > > > >>however, none of this is not rocket science folks. >> >>the whole super technical side of far infrared is a big bunch of hooey. >>overintellectualizations on a very simple body process, sweating. >> >>fir heaters cause you to sweat in such a way that ambient air temperature >>does not have to get very high. sick people can be very sensitive to high >>temperatures and in this regard fir saunas have a great use. my own take on >>this is that very hot temperatures can cause incomplete cleansing reactions >>with metals, moving metals around internally and then ultimately >>redepositing them. >> >>i bought a wooden box fir unit from kevin at nature's spectrum. imo opinion >>he is a far more honorable person to deal with than jim. i would recommend >> >> >> > >The FIR Domes are not saunas. they are a Dome that you lay under and >there is not any sweating going on so all the benefits are from the FIR. >The idea of the Dome is that you are being bomb barded by the FIR from >all angles becaused of the curved action. > >I've been working with a RN who has a lady in her home with severe diabetes >as a matter of fact, she has had both legs amputated several inches below the >knee. >We put her on the Chi machine and under the Dome 3 X aday. She had been >on 75 units of insulin. She had not had any since the beginning of these >sessions because her sugar level have been in a good range. This is >not the first time we have had success in this area. > >It's more than sweating. > >edith > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Edith, read your post, I'm interested. I have a Chi machine and my Lady continues to have little peaks; up to 230 sometimes, mostly around 150. Do you and your RN friend think these results are because of the Chi machine or from the FIR Dome, please? Obie. _____ From: ejohns9525@... [mailto:ejohns9525@...] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:55 PM oxyplus Subject: Re: Re: FIR saunas In a message dated 10/17/04 3:42:09 PM Central Daylight Time, aluckower@... writes: > however, none of this is not rocket science folks. > > the whole super technical side of far infrared is a big bunch of hooey. > overintellectualizations on a very simple body process, sweating. > > fir heaters cause you to sweat in such a way that ambient air temperature > does not have to get very high. sick people can be very sensitive to high > temperatures and in this regard fir saunas have a great use. my own take on > this is that very hot temperatures can cause incomplete cleansing reactions > with metals, moving metals around internally and then ultimately > redepositing them. > > i bought a wooden box fir unit from kevin at nature's spectrum. imo opinion > he is a far more honorable person to deal with than jim. i would recommend > The FIR Domes are not saunas. they are a Dome that you lay under and there is not any sweating going on so all the benefits are from the FIR. The idea of the Dome is that you are being bomb barded by the FIR from all angles becaused of the curved action. I've been working with a RN who has a lady in her home with severe diabetes as a matter of fact, she has had both legs amputated several inches below the knee. We put her on the Chi machine and under the Dome 3 X aday. She had been on 75 units of insulin. She had not had any since the beginning of these sessions because her sugar level have been in a good range. This is not the first time we have had success in this area. It's more than sweating. edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Edith, we live 1.5 hours South of on. Max tried a FIR Dome, loved it and we have a Chi Machine. Chi is the only exercise she gets other than when we move her joints for her. And I can't say about response, can't measure that yet, just don't know how to say. Right now, we're trying to restrict Carbos, you know, limit all sugar and starch she takes in; hoping we can avoid the peaks but they do come and go, immobile as she is presently. Obie. _____ From: ejohns9525@... [mailto:ejohns9525@...] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:24 PM oxyplus Subject: Re: Re: FIR saunas In a message dated 10/17/04 8:04:52 PM Central Daylight Time, obie@... writes: > Edith, read your post, I'm interested. I have a Chi machine and my Lady > continues to have little peaks; up to 230 sometimes, mostly around 150. Do > you and your RN friend think these results are because of the Chi machine or > from the FIR Dome, please? Obie. > Obie, We have tried this with several other people but we have always used the 2 together. All have had good results. I'm sorry I can't be of more help in this area. Do you think Maxine has shown any better response using the Chi? I have a friend who lives close to you I think. She lives out of on. I'll bet she would let you try her Fir Dome for a week or so to see. Don't you live near on? Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 In a message dated 10/18/04 10:42:46 AM Central Daylight Time, obie@... writes: > Edith, we live 1.5 hours South of on. Max tried a FIR Dome, loved it > and we have a Chi Machine. Chi is the only exercise she gets other than > when we move her joints for her. And I can't say about response, can't > measure that yet, just don't know how to say. Right now, we're trying to > restrict Carbos, you know, limit all sugar and starch she takes in; hoping > we can avoid the peaks but they do come and go, immobile as she is > presently. Obie. > Obie, She lives in the other direction so guess that won't work. I did speak with a couple people today about the diabetic issue and both indicated that it works best using the combo. Did you know the person who sends you the blueberry leaves is a friend of mine? Small world....sorry I couldm't be of more help. Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Hi again Art. Just rereading some stuff before deleting. Don't want to miss anything. Smile. Some replies below. aluckower wrote: > > the whole super technical side of far infrared is a big bunch of hooey. > overintellectualizations on a very simple body process, sweating. > > fir heaters cause you to sweat in such a way that ambient air temperature > does not have to get very high. > kevin's website > http://www.infraredhealth.com/ ### I went to his site and read the first column on the site and found this quote immediately. * Far-Infrared energy has been shown to enhance circulation, provide anti-inflammatory effects, boost our immune systems and induce a deeply detoxifying sweat. * So he himself is saying it is more than just sweating. The far infrared energy does this. Anyway. Just saying agian what I already said. I do think there is a big difference between the effects of sweating from a far infra red heated sauana and the effects of long term exposure to FIR without sweating. It can be a simple sweating process, but it can also be much more. > in conversastions with the engineers at saunacore, i was informed that fir > is simply caused by the heating of any ceramic material. ### This is my understanding also. I think you could take a couple of ceramic tiles and heat them with a heating pad and have a pretty good far infra red emmitting device. But without equipement to test I would just be guessing. I have wondered about a water bed heating element covered in ceramic tiles that you could lay on. Could be inexpensive and do good. But I don't know. Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.com ### Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 I have two FIR Saunas that I bought a few years ago. I was not able to tolerate the treatment. If anyone is interested in buying them please send me a private email. Thanks, Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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