Re: Breathing technique article.

[Guest guest]

Hi Blake,

I thought your breathing page was well written. I find this very interesting and

will attempt to retrain my breathing. Years ago, I read about about breathing -

by Somebody Hale? not sure.

Anyway, they said the same thing about breathing too shallow and too quickly.

Their solution in addition to the exercises was to place white semi-sticky tape

over your lips at bedtime to force your body to breathe through the nose.

I had difficulty the first two nights but I found that when I woke during the

middle of the night, I was breathing more deeply than I ever remember and I had

a feeling of restedness, very uncommon for me at that time.

I am not sure why I stopped but I think I will try that again. It doesn't hurt

to get better sleep.

Have you heard of this method and what do you think about it?

Marti

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> The following link contains an article I recently wrote regarding

> breathing techniques with the primary purpose of toning and normalizing

> autonomic nervous system activity:

>

>

<http://www.nutritional-healing.com.au/content/articles-content.php?heading=CFS%\

20-%20Breathing>

>

> I recommend that people with CFS do this breath exercise for 25 minutes

> twice daily. Any constructive criticism and comments are welcome.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Blake

>

[Guest guest]

My experience is that we're generally  stuck into a stress pattern of  breathing

and thanks for Blake to put this together. My understanding is that you  retrain

the ANS. 

Blake I posted sections of your post here. I hope that's OK

http://forums.aboutmecfs.org/showthread.php?p=804#post804

Thanks for the post. 

From: marti_zavala <marti_zavala@...>

Subject: Re: Breathing technique article.

Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 1:10 PM

 

Hi Blake,

I thought your breathing page was well written. I find this very interesting and

will attempt to retrain my breathing. Years ago, I read about about breathing -

by Somebody Hale? not sure.

Anyway, they said the same thing about breathing too shallow and too quickly.

Their solution in addition to the exercises was to place white semi-sticky tape

over your lips at bedtime to force your body to breathe through the nose.

I had difficulty the first two nights but I found that when I woke during the

middle of the night, I was breathing more deeply than I ever remember and I had

a feeling of restedness, very uncommon for me at that time.

I am not sure why I stopped but I think I will try that again. It doesn't hurt

to get better sleep.

Have you heard of this method and what do you think about it?

Marti

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> The following link contains an article I recently wrote regarding

> breathing techniques with the primary purpose of toning and normalizing

> autonomic nervous system activity:

>

> <http://www.nutritio nal-healing. com.au/content/ articles- content.php?

heading=CFS% 20-%20Breathing>

>

> I recommend that people with CFS do this breath exercise for 25 minutes

> twice daily. Any constructive criticism and comments are welcome.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Blake

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Cort et al,

As a former woodwind player & teacher, I'm finding this discussion of

breathing patterns very interesting. I remember years & years ago

being taught a zen exercise for breathing, and liked how that fit with

the breath training I was doing in connection with studying the flute.

As a woodwind teacher, one of the challenges was to get people to re-

train their breathing patterns to breathe more deeply. (People tend to

look at you funny when you say, " You need to learn how to breathe. " )

Just this past week, I tried to show a friend the technique for deep

breathing, and she was struggling with it. She was breathing

" backwards " and (at least during our 15 minutes working on it)

couldn't turn it around.

So yes, I think this idea about getting away from short, shallow

breaths and working on longer, deeper breaths can make a difference.

I'm glad this has come up, it's a good reminder to revisit my *own*

breathing habits.

Marcia on

in Salem, Massachusetts

On Jul 24, 2009, at 4:48 PM, cort johnson wrote:

> My experience is that we're generally stuck into a stress pattern

> of breathing and thanks for Blake to put this together. My

> understanding is that you retrain the ANS.

> Blake I posted sections of your post here. I hope that's OK

> http://forums.aboutmecfs.org/showthread.php?p=804#post804

> Thanks for the post.

>

>

> From: marti_zavala <marti_zavala@...>

> Subject: Re: Breathing technique article.

>

> Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 1:10 PM

>

>

>

> Hi Blake,

>

> I thought your breathing page was well written. I find this very

> interesting and will attempt to retrain my breathing. Years ago, I

> read about about breathing - by Somebody Hale? not sure.

>

> Anyway, they said the same thing about breathing too shallow and too

> quickly. Their solution in addition to the exercises was to place

> white semi-sticky tape over your lips at bedtime to force your body

> to breathe through the nose.

>

> I had difficulty the first two nights but I found that when I woke

> during the middle of the night, I was breathing more deeply than I

> ever remember and I had a feeling of restedness, very uncommon for

> me at that time.

>

> I am not sure why I stopped but I think I will try that again. It

> doesn't hurt to get better sleep.

>

> Have you heard of this method and what do you think about it?

>

> Marti

>

>

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> >

>

> > Hi everyone,

>

> >

>

> > The following link contains an article I recently wrote regarding

>

> > breathing techniques with the primary purpose of toning and

> normalizing

>

> > autonomic nervous system activity:

>

> >

>

> > <http://www.nutritio nal-healing. com.au/content/ articles- content.php?

heading=CFS% 20-%20Breathing

> >

>

> >

>

> > I recommend that people with CFS do this breath exercise for 25

> minutes

>

> > twice daily. Any constructive criticism and comments are welcome.

>

> >

>

> > Best regards,

>

> >

>

> > Blake

>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marti,

I have heard of that method but don't know much about it. Looking online

their are various products you can buy for this purpose. I'll give it a go.

Blake

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have put sticky tape over my mouth before and it does help. I can't do it for

more than a week or so as I then start to get sensitive to the tape. It was

suggested in the book on the Butekyo breathing method.

Cheers,

Carol

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > The following link contains an article I recently wrote regarding

> > breathing techniques with the primary purpose of toning and normalizing

> > autonomic nervous system activity:

> >

> >

<http://www.nutritional-healing.com.au/content/articles-content.php?heading=CFS%\

20-%20Breathing>

> >

> > I recommend that people with CFS do this breath exercise for 25 minutes

> > twice daily. Any constructive criticism and comments are welcome.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Blake

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just to play the devil's advocate - I was a classical singer, first soprano,

operatic, sang about an hour a day, had to breathe right to do it. Got sick the

summer we were on a choir tour of the UK, recovered somewhat on years of

antibiotics, kept singing. Can't say breathing cured me or retrained anything

that wasn't already trained. But then you all know my story - I have borrelia,

babesia, mycoplasma, c. pneumonia, a couple of reactivated viruses from time to

time and react to toxic mold. I don't think breathing is going to retrain the

mold or the critters. My case may be the exception, but I doubt it.

a Carnes

>

> Dear Cort et al,

>

> As a former woodwind player & teacher, I'm finding this discussion of

> breathing patterns very interesting. I remember years & years ago

> being taught a zen exercise for breathing, and liked how that fit with

> the breath training I was doing in connection with studying the flute.

> As a woodwind teacher, one of the challenges was to get people to re-

> train their breathing patterns to breathe more deeply. (People tend to

> look at you funny when you say, " You need to learn how to breathe. " )

> Just this past week, I tried to show a friend the technique for deep

> breathing, and she was struggling with it. She was breathing

> " backwards " and (at least during our 15 minutes working on it)

> couldn't turn it around.

>

> So yes, I think this idea about getting away from short, shallow

> breaths and working on longer, deeper breaths can make a difference.

> I'm glad this has come up, it's a good reminder to revisit my *own*

> breathing habits.

>

> Marcia on

> in Salem, Massachusetts

[Guest guest]

Breathing is just one part of the answer, as is mycoplasma or any

opportunistic infection. Even if breathing abnormalities is a secondary

consequence of bigger issues, it should still be corrected as not doing

so will hamper ability to recover. Optimal breathing is less than 10

breaths per minute, abdominal rather than chest & nose rather than mouth

breathing. Very few people breath in this fashion across the board.

[Guest guest]

Blake, thank you for this. I try to breathe slowly and infrequently when I'm

" actively relaxing " , (how's that for an oxymoron?). I find it especially

effective for relaxation when I hold the exhale longer. But I have a question:

Are you saying that you should breathe this way, (<10 breathes/min.), all the

time, or just when you are practising " optimal breathing " ?

>

> Breathing is just one part of the answer, as is mycoplasma or any

> opportunistic infection. Even if breathing abnormalities is a secondary

> consequence of bigger issues, it should still be corrected as not doing

> so will hamper ability to recover. Optimal breathing is less than 10

> breaths per minute, abdominal rather than chest & nose rather than mouth

> breathing. Very few people breath in this fashion across the board.

>

[Guest guest]

Breathing education and specialized breathing techniques

(as in pranayama or classical voice) are much better than not

having these and being breathing-ignorant.

As singers know, few things affect breathing so adversely

as anxiety. The mind training that naturally

goes along with e.g. pranayama is most useful to anyone.

Good on general principles, and helpful as an adjunct therapy.

It's what they don't teach you in K-12, church,

or Harvard Business School. :-) So it becomes a gap in our

ordinary education.

Carol W.

willis_protocols

[Guest guest]

rockt999,

Your welcome. We should work towards <10 breathes/min all the time.

[Guest guest]

Wow! Not easy to do, but I can understand the concept. I've been trying it and

definitely feel less stressed.

Thanks again.

>

> rockt999,

>

> Your welcome. We should work towards <10 breathes/min all the time.

>