Re: Piracetam, Ritalin

[Guest guest]

I do not take gaba in the day. 500 mg is the highest dose I have found, as

well. They sell it in bulk, so you could make 1,000 mg capsules. I am

considering that.

For a six months, I took 1,000 mg at night before bed. It helped me sleep,

but was not any silver bullet. I still woke up at night and I did not

always have deep restful sleep. It is not enough. At least not for me or

in my opinion anyone with serious insomnia issues.

Then I read a post and an article about the dosing. So I take 4 to 6

500 mg capsules every night. Sometimes I may take two at dinner and then 4

later, 45 minutes before bed. Other times I just take all six 45 minutes

before bed. I'm experimenting to see the difference but I have not really

noticed any yet. I can get to sleep with only 4 capsules, but I have never

tried just taking the 4 capsules. You should know that I am not just

taking them for sleep, but also for helping me producing growth hormone. My

body does not produce enough.

I never thought to take them in the day, but perhaps I will try that on days

that I work too hard and need to force myself to nap. So, thanks for

sharing that with me.

Regarding the groggy effect.. I think when you take them, how much you take,

and how much sleep you get is a factor. I try to take the night time

pills around 10:30, be in bed by 11:30 pm and I get up between 7:30 and 8:00

am. So I am getting between 8 and 9 hours of sleep now. I think the

early time, and the amount of hours rested prevented the grogginess. My

neighbor tried taking two at night and he says it made him groggy. My

neighbor goes to bed late and gets up real early. So, I have not asked, but

I am wondering if he is sleeping less or taking the pills late. My

husband, who normally has no sleep difficulties, was stressed out recently

and could not sleep, so he took two each night before bed for three nights,

and was fine in the mornings. He took them at 10:30 pm and got up a 8:00

am. While I have been taking them with 3 mg of melatonin, I do not know

how they interact with prescription sleep meds.

I hope this helps.

By the way, since stopping the Piracetam a few days ago, my sleep is back to

normal

Tracey

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of rockt999

Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 6:21 AM

Subject: Re: Piracetam, Ritalin

Bought some Gaba yesterday. Took a 500mg capsule, (that's the largest dose

the store had - " Now " brand), after lunch and had a great afternoon nap.

Took another 500mg at bedtime, (along with my regular melatonin, 200mg 5-HTP

and .5mg clonazepam), and slept great... for about 4.5 hours. Then I was

wide awake. Finally took another 500mg at about 6 a.m. and slept/napped

another 2 hours, but I fell pretty beat this morning.

Do you take the the whole higher dose, (2000-4000mg) just before bed and do

you know of a brand with higher dose capsules, so you don't have to take so

many?

Thanks.

with others.

[Guest guest]

Tracey,

Thanks so much for posting what is working for you; you are a good teacher!

I just wanted to doublecheck one thing. You mention below that GABA is helping

you produce growth hormone and that is a surprise to me. I've connected arginine

and ornithine, even glutamine, with elevating HGH but had never heard that GABA

would do so. Do you have further info on this?

Sharon

----- Original Message -----

From: " Tracey de Morsella " <tdlists@...>>

> Then I read a post and an article about the dosing. So I take 4 to 6

> 500 mg capsules every night. Sometimes I may take two at dinner and then 4

> later, 45 minutes before bed. Other times I just take all six 45 minutes

> before bed. I'm experimenting to see the difference but I have not really

> noticed any yet. I can get to sleep with only 4 capsules, but I have never

> tried just taking the 4 capsules. You should know that I am not just

> taking them for sleep, but also for helping me producing growth hormone. My

> body does not produce enough.

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the praise. I must be honest with you, I feel like I am

stumbling around half blind, so I do not feel like much of a teacher, but I

sure like how it sounds. It gives me a little confidence. Especially when

I go to the doctor's office and they look at me like I am nuts. You guys

have helped to save me and likely changed the path of my life, so this is

the least I can do.

I'm actually not sure the gaba is working. I too read about glutamine,

arginine and ornithine. What could be doing it is getting 8-9 hours of

sleep which gives me energy to lift weights, instead of the 3-5 broken hours

of sleep I have gotten for the past three years. If sleep and weight

lifting produce growth hormone that could be it too.

I also think the B-12 and Folate have something to do with it. Several

people on this list and the Yasko list led me to it because they said it had

the same impact on them.

Basically, I saw a jump in clarity and energy soon after adding all three

into the protocol. I added them two to three weeks apart, so think all

three are helping me. The temperature rose within two-to three weeks of

adding the b-12 and one week of adding the folate.

Back to the GABA.. I do remember my neighbor who is a personal trainer gave

me the impression that body builders try to take large quantities to get it.

I read it somewhere at a time when I was foggy. I will try to locate the

info I read and post it later.

Tracey

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Starshar

Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:34 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Piracetam, Ritalin

Tracey,

Thanks so much for posting what is working for you; you are a good teacher!

I just wanted to doublecheck one thing. You mention below that GABA is

helping you produce growth hormone and that is a surprise to me. I've

connected arginine and ornithine, even glutamine, with elevating HGH but had

never heard that GABA would do so. Do you have further info on this?

Sharon

----- Original Message -----

From: " Tracey de Morsella " <tdlists@...

<mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> >>

> Then I read a post and an article about the dosing. So I take 4 to 6

> 500 mg capsules every night. Sometimes I may take two at dinner and then 4

> later, 45 minutes before bed. Other times I just take all six 45 minutes

> before bed. I'm experimenting to see the difference but I have not really

> noticed any yet. I can get to sleep with only 4 capsules, but I have never

> tried just taking the 4 capsules. You should know that I am not just

> taking them for sleep, but also for helping me producing growth hormone.

My

> body does not produce enough.

[Guest guest]

I found some gaba with a dose of 750 mg

http://www.iherb.com/GABA-750-mg-100-Vcaps/5020?at=0

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Starshar

Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:34 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Piracetam, Ritalin

Tracey,

Thanks so much for posting what is working for you; you are a good teacher!

I just wanted to doublecheck one thing. You mention below that GABA is

helping you produce growth hormone and that is a surprise to me. I've

connected arginine and ornithine, even glutamine, with elevating HGH but had

never heard that GABA would do so. Do you have further info on this?

Sharon

----- Original Message -----

From: " Tracey de Morsella " <tdlists@...

<mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com> >>

> Then I read a post and an article about the dosing. So I take 4 to 6

> 500 mg capsules every night. Sometimes I may take two at dinner and then 4

> later, 45 minutes before bed. Other times I just take all six 45 minutes

> before bed. I'm experimenting to see the difference but I have not really

> noticed any yet. I can get to sleep with only 4 capsules, but I have never

> tried just taking the 4 capsules. You should know that I am not just

> taking them for sleep, but also for helping me producing growth hormone.

My

> body does not produce enough.

[Guest guest]

You may be stumbling, but you are recording it here with clarity. I think it

helps the rest of us keep a bit more organized with a 'program'.

Your increased amount/quality of sleep sure could be the difference.

I'm afraid to add b-12 and folate because both levels are extremely high on

routine blood work. I realize that doesn't indicate how much is actually being

used deep in the system, though.

I'm continually impressed by other's reports on the benfits of these 2

supplements, and occasionally will take a sublingual methyl B-12. Can't say I

notice anything with or without it.

I had my doc give me an IM B-12, but all he offers is cobalamin. He gave me a rx

for subQ injections at home.

The IM in his office gave me a noticeable boost the next day. The subQ at home

does nothing.

Still going to school on these 2.

I'm all ears for any further GABA info that anyone stumbles across. I'm using it

myself now at night, up to 1500mg so far. I'm extremely sleepy, but at the same

time the FM pain ramps up so badly that I can't sleep without muscle relaxant

and/or painkillers. The GABA effect is overridden by the pain.

Thanks for the help, Tracey

Sharon

> Thank you for the praise. I must be honest with you, I feel like I am

> stumbling around half blind, so I do not feel like much of a teacher, but I

> sure like how it sounds. It gives me a little confidence. Especially when

> I go to the doctor's office and they look at me like I am nuts. You guys

> have helped to save me and likely changed the path of my life, so this is

> the least I can do.

>

>

>

> I'm actually not sure the gaba is working. I too read about glutamine,

> arginine and ornithine. What could be doing it is getting 8-9 hours of

> sleep which gives me energy to lift weights, instead of the 3-5 broken hours

> of sleep I have gotten for the past three years. If sleep and weight

> lifting produce growth hormone that could be it too.

>

>

>

> I also think the B-12 and Folate have something to do with it. Several

> people on this list and the Yasko list led me to it because they said it had

> the same impact on them.

>

>

>

> Basically, I saw a jump in clarity and energy soon after adding all three

> into the protocol. I added them two to three weeks apart, so think all

> three are helping me. The temperature rose within two-to three weeks of

> adding the b-12 and one week of adding the folate.

>

>

>

> Back to the GABA.. I do remember my neighbor who is a personal trainer gave

> me the impression that body builders try to take large quantities to get it.

> I read it somewhere at a time when I was foggy. I will try to locate the

> info I read and post it later.

>

>

>

> Tracey

[Guest guest]

Sharon

I do not notice anything from Methyl b-12 either.

My b-12 was a little high on the text I took in April. So I am watching it.

I'm still trying to find out what high B means. This is what I found so

far:

* High levels of vitamin B12 can occur in liver disease (such as

cirrhosis or hepatitis) and some types of leukemia. However, the vitamin B12

test is not usually used to diagnose these problems.

* In rare cases, high levels may be found in people with diabetes or who

are obese.

Levels of serum vitamin B12 may be raised in: leukemia and liver disease.

I have been wondering if liver issues are prevalent with people with ME. I

remember reading that during my foggy days. I think Yasko, Pall, Myhill and

a few others recommend taking liver supplements like Milk Thistle, dandelion

root and bubleleurium (sp?)etc. I was haphazardly taking them before

getting the B12 levels back. Now I take them everyday.

Some people take lower doses. That is how I started and still felt the

benefits. However, I think your caution is warranted. I'll put it on my

tasklist to continue to research high b levels to see what negatives there

are, so I can know whether I need to stop or figure out what to do to

mitigate any problems if possible. I will let you know what I find out. By

the way, what does your doctor think of the high b-12 levels?

I understand what you are saying about pain trumping GABA. If I miss a few

doses of magnesium and malic acid, I get pain up my arms and the gaba won't

work until I address the pain. If I am crashing and have a migraine or

severe nausea with throwing up, there is no sleep in my immediate future

until I get rid of the pain

In terms of getting organized with a program, when this illness put my

business on life support, I started treating getting better like a job. I

could not work, so I focused on this so that I could get back to work. It

gets overwhelming, but the improvements, as well as the setbacks when I

slack off keep me motivated.

the following help me stay somewhat organized.

I keep homemade labels that I paste onto bottles with info on why I am

taking something when to take it and how often. Whether I should rotate off

it. I also keep warnings because I will forget.

I keep a small pad that has a small pen in the cabinet, so I can note when I

run out and have an accurate list when I order

I set up my pills for the day is small plastic containers I get from the

Supermaket. Glad makes them and sometimes the store has a brand.

I have a list of stuff I have to take when I am crashing, get the migraine

or get nauseated

I keep an emergency crash set of pills is one of those plastic sandwich or

snack bags, in my pocketbook in case I felt like I going to crash while I

was out. In fact, the emergency kit made it so I could go on family

outings. As least 80% of the time it prevents me from crashing. When was

sicker, the success rate of preventing a crash was about 50%. But avoiding

50 percent of all crashes felt like a reprieve.

I have a list of my therapeutic schedule taped to the cabinet I keep the

medicine in

I also have a cooking timer that I use to remind me when to take stuff and

stick to the schedule

When I have been too sick to get up. I take all the pills I need for the

day and put them on a table nearby with those steel containers, so that I

will stick to the program. I just started using this strategy also when I

work so if I get caught up with something, I'm less likely to put off taking

medicine

I keep a masterlist with all the details of everything I take - that is not

working so well because I change it throughout the year as my needs try.

I started keeping an avoids list last month, so my brain fog does not lead

me back to something I should not be taking

I spent a great deal of time pricing everything in the beginning to keep my

costs down. I have pretty low cost suppliers. I keep a folder in my email

client of all purchases, so that I can remember where I got stuff when I

run out.

Some of the sites I order from have a favorites feature, which I set up to

list the item I regularly but if they are my favorite supplier for that

item. So, when it comes time to order, I do not have to hunt for the item.

Instead I can check off the item I want. It saves time and prevents me from

ordering the wrong thing or struggling to select something when I have brain

fog. I keep links to the specific products I buy on sites that do not have

that feature

I know this may seem kind of anal retentive, but when I was really sick, I

had difficulty remembering ANYTHING. My progress seemed to be hindered by

me more than anything else. This evolving strategy really turned things

around. When I first started working again - up until about two weeks ago,

I had difficulty switching from the CFS project to programming, to writing,

to planning, to bookkeeping. This system kept me on track with the

medicine, so that I would not get to sick to work. So, I embrace the anal

retentive side.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Starshar

Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:13 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Piracetam, Ritalin

You may be stumbling, but you are recording it here with clarity. I think it

helps the rest of us keep a bit more organized with a 'program'.

Your increased amount/quality of sleep sure could be the difference.

I'm afraid to add b-12 and folate because both levels are extremely high on

routine blood work. I realize that doesn't indicate how much is actually

being used deep in the system, though.

I'm continually impressed by other's reports on the benfits of these 2

supplements, and occasionally will take a sublingual methyl B-12. Can't say

I notice anything with or without it.

I had my doc give me an IM B-12, but all he offers is cobalamin. He gave me

a rx for subQ injections at home.

The IM in his office gave me a noticeable boost the next day. The subQ at

home does nothing.

Still going to school on these 2.

I'm all ears for any further GABA info that anyone stumbles across. I'm

using it myself now at night, up to 1500mg so far. I'm extremely sleepy, but

at the same time the FM pain ramps up so badly that I can't sleep without

muscle relaxant and/or painkillers. The GABA effect is overridden by the

pain.

Thanks for the help, Tracey

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Sharon/ " Starshar " <starshar@...> wrote:

> I'm all ears for any further GABA info that anyone stumbles

> across. I'm using it myself now at night, up to 1500mg so far.

> I'm extremely sleepy, but at the same time the FM pain ramps

> up so badly that I can't sleep without muscle relaxant and/or

> painkillers. The GABA effect is overridden by the pain.

What hormone and neurotransmitter testing have you done? I'd

test and optimize those areas in FM for starters.

Carol W.

willis_protocols

[Guest guest]

Tracey, thanks for sharing your info.

I took 2 Gabas Sat. night and slept well. 2 again last. night, O.K., but not

great. I'm going to start increasing the dose. I think getting good sleep is

everything with this disease. I haven't slept well in years. I think if I can

get this back on track it should help immensely.

I'm taking doxycycline for mycoplasma, so I don't think I can do the Yasko

Simplified protocol - I read an article by Rich Van K and I think he said that

pharmaceuticals complicate the detoxing that the Y.S.P. is trying to achieve. I

may have this a bit mixed up. Please correct me if anyone understands this

better. However, I'm already taking hydrxocobalamin injections about 3-4 times

per week, so I was wondering if just adding the folapro would be O.K.?

Thanks again.

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

> I do not notice anything from Methyl b-12 either.

>

>

>

> My b-12 was a little high on the text I took in April. So I am watching it.

> I'm still trying to find out what high B means. This is what I found so

> far:

>

>

>

> * High levels of vitamin B12 can occur in liver disease (such as

> cirrhosis or hepatitis) and some types of leukemia. However, the vitamin B12

> test is not usually used to diagnose these problems.

>

> * In rare cases, high levels may be found in people with diabetes or who

> are obese.

>

>

>

> Levels of serum vitamin B12 may be raised in: leukemia and liver disease.

>

>

>

> I have been wondering if liver issues are prevalent with people with ME. I

> remember reading that during my foggy days. I think Yasko, Pall, Myhill and

> a few others recommend taking liver supplements like Milk Thistle, dandelion

> root and bubleleurium (sp?)etc. I was haphazardly taking them before

> getting the B12 levels back. Now I take them everyday.

>

>

>

> Some people take lower doses. That is how I started and still felt the

> benefits. However, I think your caution is warranted. I'll put it on my

> tasklist to continue to research high b levels to see what negatives there

> are, so I can know whether I need to stop or figure out what to do to

> mitigate any problems if possible. I will let you know what I find out. By

> the way, what does your doctor think of the high b-12 levels?

>

>

>

> I understand what you are saying about pain trumping GABA. If I miss a few

> doses of magnesium and malic acid, I get pain up my arms and the gaba won't

> work until I address the pain. If I am crashing and have a migraine or

> severe nausea with throwing up, there is no sleep in my immediate future

> until I get rid of the pain

>

>

>

> In terms of getting organized with a program, when this illness put my

> business on life support, I started treating getting better like a job. I

> could not work, so I focused on this so that I could get back to work. It

> gets overwhelming, but the improvements, as well as the setbacks when I

> slack off keep me motivated.

>

>

>

> the following help me stay somewhat organized.

>

>

>

> I keep homemade labels that I paste onto bottles with info on why I am

> taking something when to take it and how often. Whether I should rotate off

> it. I also keep warnings because I will forget.

>

>

>

> I keep a small pad that has a small pen in the cabinet, so I can note when I

> run out and have an accurate list when I order

>

>

>

> I set up my pills for the day is small plastic containers I get from the

> Supermaket. Glad makes them and sometimes the store has a brand.

>

>

>

> I have a list of stuff I have to take when I am crashing, get the migraine

> or get nauseated

>

>

>

> I keep an emergency crash set of pills is one of those plastic sandwich or

> snack bags, in my pocketbook in case I felt like I going to crash while I

> was out. In fact, the emergency kit made it so I could go on family

> outings. As least 80% of the time it prevents me from crashing. When was

> sicker, the success rate of preventing a crash was about 50%. But avoiding

> 50 percent of all crashes felt like a reprieve.

>

>

>

> I have a list of my therapeutic schedule taped to the cabinet I keep the

> medicine in

>

>

>

> I also have a cooking timer that I use to remind me when to take stuff and

> stick to the schedule

>

>

>

> When I have been too sick to get up. I take all the pills I need for the

> day and put them on a table nearby with those steel containers, so that I

> will stick to the program. I just started using this strategy also when I

> work so if I get caught up with something, I'm less likely to put off taking

> medicine

>

>

>

> I keep a masterlist with all the details of everything I take - that is not

> working so well because I change it throughout the year as my needs try.

>

>

>

> I started keeping an avoids list last month, so my brain fog does not lead

> me back to something I should not be taking

>

>

>

> I spent a great deal of time pricing everything in the beginning to keep my

> costs down. I have pretty low cost suppliers. I keep a folder in my email

> client of all purchases, so that I can remember where I got stuff when I

> run out.

>

>

>

> Some of the sites I order from have a favorites feature, which I set up to

> list the item I regularly but if they are my favorite supplier for that

> item. So, when it comes time to order, I do not have to hunt for the item.

> Instead I can check off the item I want. It saves time and prevents me from

> ordering the wrong thing or struggling to select something when I have brain

> fog. I keep links to the specific products I buy on sites that do not have

> that feature

>

>

>

> I know this may seem kind of anal retentive, but when I was really sick, I

> had difficulty remembering ANYTHING. My progress seemed to be hindered by

> me more than anything else. This evolving strategy really turned things

> around. When I first started working again - up until about two weeks ago,

> I had difficulty switching from the CFS project to programming, to writing,

> to planning, to bookkeeping. This system kept me on track with the

> medicine, so that I would not get to sick to work. So, I embrace the anal

> retentive side.

>

>

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Starshar

> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:13 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Re: Piracetam, Ritalin

>

>

>

> You may be stumbling, but you are recording it here with clarity. I think it

> helps the rest of us keep a bit more organized with a 'program'.

>

> Your increased amount/quality of sleep sure could be the difference.

>

> I'm afraid to add b-12 and folate because both levels are extremely high on

> routine blood work. I realize that doesn't indicate how much is actually

> being used deep in the system, though.

> I'm continually impressed by other's reports on the benfits of these 2

> supplements, and occasionally will take a sublingual methyl B-12. Can't say

> I notice anything with or without it.

> I had my doc give me an IM B-12, but all he offers is cobalamin. He gave me

> a rx for subQ injections at home.

> The IM in his office gave me a noticeable boost the next day. The subQ at

> home does nothing.

>

> Still going to school on these 2.

>

> I'm all ears for any further GABA info that anyone stumbles across. I'm

> using it myself now at night, up to 1500mg so far. I'm extremely sleepy, but

> at the same time the FM pain ramps up so badly that I can't sleep without

> muscle relaxant and/or painkillers. The GABA effect is overridden by the

> pain.

>

> Thanks for the help, Tracey

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tracey,

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry, reading this list of how you manage your

program. You call yourself 'anal retentive'---------you might recall that I

mentioned being dxed as having ADD about 15 yrs ago? We are polar opposites!

If I could organize the way you do, I think I could rule the world!!

I'm going to save this to file and probably print it out and try to force myself

to at least follow some of it.

Just the thought is painful <G>.

Sharon

> Sharon

>

> I do not notice anything from Methyl b-12 either.

>

> My b-12 was a little high on the text I took in April. So I am watching it.

> I'm still trying to find out what high B means. This is what I found so

> far:

>

> * High levels of vitamin B12 can occur in liver disease (such as

> cirrhosis or hepatitis) and some types of leukemia. However, the vitamin B12

> test is not usually used to diagnose these problems.

>

> * In rare cases, high levels may be found in people with diabetes or who

> are obese.

>

> Levels of serum vitamin B12 may be raised in: leukemia and liver disease.

> I have been wondering if liver issues are prevalent with people with ME. I

> remember reading that during my foggy days. I think Yasko, Pall, Myhill and

> a few others recommend taking liver supplements like Milk Thistle, dandelion

> root and bubleleurium (sp?)etc. I was haphazardly taking them before

> getting the B12 levels back. Now I take them everyday.

>

> Some people take lower doses. That is how I started and still felt the

> benefits. However, I think your caution is warranted. I'll put it on my

> tasklist to continue to research high b levels to see what negatives there

> are, so I can know whether I need to stop or figure out what to do to

> mitigate any problems if possible. I will let you know what I find out. By

> the way, what does your doctor think of the high b-12 levels?

>

> I understand what you are saying about pain trumping GABA. If I miss a few

> doses of magnesium and malic acid, I get pain up my arms and the gaba won't

> work until I address the pain. If I am crashing and have a migraine or

> severe nausea with throwing up, there is no sleep in my immediate future

> until I get rid of the pain

>

> In terms of getting organized with a program, when this illness put my

> business on life support, I started treating getting better like a job. I

> could not work, so I focused on this so that I could get back to work. It

> gets overwhelming, but the improvements, as well as the setbacks when I

> slack off keep me motivated.

>

> the following help me stay somewhat organized.

>

> I keep homemade labels that I paste onto bottles with info on why I am

> taking something when to take it and how often. Whether I should rotate off

> it. I also keep warnings because I will forget.

>

> I keep a small pad that has a small pen in the cabinet, so I can note when I

> run out and have an accurate list when I order

>

> I set up my pills for the day is small plastic containers I get from the

> Supermaket. Glad makes them and sometimes the store has a brand.

>

> I have a list of stuff I have to take when I am crashing, get the migraine

> or get nauseated

>

> I keep an emergency crash set of pills is one of those plastic sandwich or

> snack bags, in my pocketbook in case I felt like I going to crash while I

> was out. In fact, the emergency kit made it so I could go on family

> outings. As least 80% of the time it prevents me from crashing. When was

> sicker, the success rate of preventing a crash was about 50%. But avoiding

> 50 percent of all crashes felt like a reprieve.

>

> I have a list of my therapeutic schedule taped to the cabinet I keep the

> medicine in

>

> I also have a cooking timer that I use to remind me when to take stuff and

> stick to the schedule

>

> When I have been too sick to get up. I take all the pills I need for the

> day and put them on a table nearby with those steel containers, so that I

> will stick to the program. I just started using this strategy also when I

> work so if I get caught up with something, I'm less likely to put off taking

> medicine

>

> I keep a masterlist with all the details of everything I take - that is not

> working so well because I change it throughout the year as my needs try.

>

> I started keeping an avoids list last month, so my brain fog does not lead

> me back to something I should not be taking

> I spent a great deal of time pricing everything in the beginning to keep my

> costs down. I have pretty low cost suppliers. I keep a folder in my email

> client of all purchases, so that I can remember where I got stuff when I

> run out.

>

> Some of the sites I order from have a favorites feature, which I set up to

> list the item I regularly but if they are my favorite supplier for that

> item. So, when it comes time to order, I do not have to hunt for the item.

> Instead I can check off the item I want. It saves time and prevents me from

> ordering the wrong thing or struggling to select something when I have brain

> fog. I keep links to the specific products I buy on sites that do not have

> that feature

>

> I know this may seem kind of anal retentive, but when I was really sick, I

> had difficulty remembering ANYTHING. My progress seemed to be hindered by

> me more than anything else. This evolving strategy really turned things

> around. When I first started working again - up until about two weeks ago,

> I had difficulty switching from the CFS project to programming, to writing,

> to planning, to bookkeeping. This system kept me on track with the

> medicine, so that I would not get to sick to work. So, I embrace the anal

> retentive side.

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

I did a salivary cortisol test, autumn of '07. Midrange normal in AM, 60+% drop

by noon (low normal), bottom normal dinner time, and below normal at midnite. I

am aware that the incredible drop could indicate infection. I'm suspecting

fungus at the moment.

A salivary DHEA was in the normal range.

All other testing on hold due to tight finances.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Sharon

> Sharon/ " Starshar " <starshar@...> wrote:

>> I'm all ears for any further GABA info that anyone stumbles

>> across. I'm using it myself now at night, up to 1500mg so far.

>> I'm extremely sleepy, but at the same time the FM pain ramps

>> up so badly that I can't sleep without muscle relaxant and/or

>> painkillers. The GABA effect is overridden by the pain.

>

> What hormone and neurotransmitter testing have you done? I'd

> test and optimize those areas in FM for starters.

>

> Carol W.

> willis_protocols

[Guest guest]

In FM, I'd look at cortisol, serotonin, and free-T3 levels

especially. Low sex hormones also. TCM kidney yin, kidney

yang, Qi levels, Qi circulation, and TCM blood.

Food sensitivities, grains, dairy.

Carol W.

willis_protocols

" Starshar " <starshar@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Carol,

>

> I did a salivary cortisol test, autumn of '07. Midrange normal in AM, 60+%

drop by noon (low normal), bottom normal dinner time, and below normal at

midnite. I am aware that the incredible drop could indicate infection. I'm

suspecting fungus at the moment.

>

> A salivary DHEA was in the normal range.

> All other testing on hold due to tight finances.

>

> Thanks for the suggestion!

>

> Sharon

>

> > Sharon/ " Starshar " <starshar@> wrote:

> >> I'm all ears for any further GABA info that anyone stumbles

> >> across. I'm using it myself now at night, up to 1500mg so far.

> >> I'm extremely sleepy, but at the same time the FM pain ramps

> >> up so badly that I can't sleep without muscle relaxant and/or

> >> painkillers. The GABA effect is overridden by the pain.

> >

> > What hormone and neurotransmitter testing have you done? I'd

> > test and optimize those areas in FM for starters.

> >

> > Carol W.

> > willis_protocols

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Carol.

Just had the thyroid panel done and my free T3 had dropped, probably due to

Armour's new formulation. Am staying on top of it. Can't do any more hormone

testing at the moment. Have read up on the rest, thanks in good part to the

excellent info on your site.

Sharon

> In FM, I'd look at cortisol, serotonin, and free-T3 levels

> especially. Low sex hormones also. TCM kidney yin, kidney

> yang, Qi levels, Qi circulation, and TCM blood.

> Food sensitivities, grains, dairy.

>

> Carol W.

> willis_protocols