immunization question

[Guest guest]

First, understand I am not a medical professional of any kind, nor do I have

any medical training of any kind. Everything I say is just my opinion as a

layperson; consult your physician before making a health decision affecting

yourself or your family.

The physical swelling sounds obviously related to the vaccinations. The

question then, is that the EXTENT of the damage?

I think the behaviors you mentioned are STRONGLY and suspiciously indicative

of Autistic like behaviors. You need to get your grandson to a neurologist

or PREFERABLY to a licensed Psychologist EXPERIENCED in diagnosing Autism

Spectrum Disorders.

This is probably not what you want to hear, but the behaviors you describe

are STEREOTYPICAL Autistic symptoms. They are not proof he has an Autism

Spectrum disorder, but they ARE cause for concern of that case.

The fact you are in this newsgroup indicates you already suspect this to be

true. A Psychologist, (be sure to get one experienced in diagnosing Autism)

can confirm or disprove this.

Some myths to beware:

1. MYTH - " He will grow out of it "

FACT - if these behaviors you observe are INDEED symptoms of Autism,

meaning he HAS Autism, - he will not grow out of it. Children do not simply

outgrow this condition, there is NO research to prove otherwise. His

behavior will only get worse as he ages (if left untreated).

2. MYTH- " He is too young to diagnose, let's wait till he is older and we

can tell for sure. "

FACT- Children as young as 18 months can be diagnosed with better than 80%

accuracy using the CHAT test at http://www.featnt.org/info/chattest.asp

<http://www.featnt.org/info/chattest.asp>

In fact, the earlier the diagnosis, the better, as research indicates

maximum benefit to treatment in the 0 - 5 age range.

I can't stress enough that the behaviors you describe sound like Autism, but

please confirm this suspicion with a licensed Psychologist. If you find

this to be true, several websites that may prove valuable in your search to

treat your grandson are below:

http://www.autismndi.com/ <http://www.autismndi.com/>

http://www.AutismTreatment.info/ <http://www.AutismTreatment.info/>

http://www.featnt.org/ <http://www.featnt.org/>

Good Luck,

J. P. Reirdon

Webmaster

<http://www.featnt.org/> http://www.featnt.org

" Building a Bridge of Hope "

Webmaster

<http://www.autismtreatment.info/> http://www.AutismTreatment.info/

You CAN treat Autism!!

Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and Aperger's Syndrome from

parents who have successfully helped their children.

Webmaster

http://www.StarThrowers.org/ <http://www.starthrowers.org/>

Fundraising for In-Home treatment programs

immunization question

Hi,

I am only 3 months into the education process and I have been

reading anything and everything I can get my hands on and trying to

understand ,probably more than my mind can absorb this rapidly. I

have been reading about reactions to vaccinations and I have a

question. When my grandson was given 5 at one time, his little legs

swelled the size of golf balls in both legs and were bright red.

His legs stayed this way for weeks and the lumps in his legs did not

go away for 6 months. It was after the shots he stopped talking,

stopped making eye contact and began lining everything in the house

he could get his hands on. I came into the living room and he had

taken all the video tapes off the shelf and lined them around the

room and down the hall and into his room. He became very upset when

I tried to pick them up...and thus things have gone. From the day he

was born I use to rock him to sleep at night. He would always cry

for me to do it...now he wont let me hold him at all. Was his

reaction to the shots significant? His pediatrician said it was

normal and not to worry about it but the swelling seem very unusual

to me especially the bright red , hot reaction as well as the lumps

lasting months. This may not be significant but I was wondering if

anyone had an idea about it...thanks

[Guest guest]

First, understand I am not a medical professional of any kind, nor do I have

any medical training of any kind. Everything I say is just my opinion as a

layperson; consult your physician before making a health decision affecting

yourself or your family.

The physical swelling sounds obviously related to the vaccinations. The

question then, is that the EXTENT of the damage?

I think the behaviors you mentioned are STRONGLY and suspiciously indicative

of Autistic like behaviors. You need to get your grandson to a neurologist

or PREFERABLY to a licensed Psychologist EXPERIENCED in diagnosing Autism

Spectrum Disorders.

This is probably not what you want to hear, but the behaviors you describe

are STEREOTYPICAL Autistic symptoms. They are not proof he has an Autism

Spectrum disorder, but they ARE cause for concern of that case.

The fact you are in this newsgroup indicates you already suspect this to be

true. A Psychologist, (be sure to get one experienced in diagnosing Autism)

can confirm or disprove this.

Some myths to beware:

1. MYTH - " He will grow out of it "

FACT - if these behaviors you observe are INDEED symptoms of Autism,

meaning he HAS Autism, - he will not grow out of it. Children do not simply

outgrow this condition, there is NO research to prove otherwise. His

behavior will only get worse as he ages (if left untreated).

2. MYTH- " He is too young to diagnose, let's wait till he is older and we

can tell for sure. "

FACT- Children as young as 18 months can be diagnosed with better than 80%

accuracy using the CHAT test at http://www.featnt.org/info/chattest.asp

<http://www.featnt.org/info/chattest.asp>

In fact, the earlier the diagnosis, the better, as research indicates

maximum benefit to treatment in the 0 - 5 age range.

I can't stress enough that the behaviors you describe sound like Autism, but

please confirm this suspicion with a licensed Psychologist. If you find

this to be true, several websites that may prove valuable in your search to

treat your grandson are below:

http://www.autismndi.com/ <http://www.autismndi.com/>

http://www.AutismTreatment.info/ <http://www.AutismTreatment.info/>

http://www.featnt.org/ <http://www.featnt.org/>

Good Luck,

J. P. Reirdon

Webmaster

<http://www.featnt.org/> http://www.featnt.org

" Building a Bridge of Hope "

Webmaster

<http://www.autismtreatment.info/> http://www.AutismTreatment.info/

You CAN treat Autism!!

Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and Aperger's Syndrome from

parents who have successfully helped their children.

Webmaster

http://www.StarThrowers.org/ <http://www.starthrowers.org/>

Fundraising for In-Home treatment programs

immunization question

Hi,

I am only 3 months into the education process and I have been

reading anything and everything I can get my hands on and trying to

understand ,probably more than my mind can absorb this rapidly. I

have been reading about reactions to vaccinations and I have a

question. When my grandson was given 5 at one time, his little legs

swelled the size of golf balls in both legs and were bright red.

His legs stayed this way for weeks and the lumps in his legs did not

go away for 6 months. It was after the shots he stopped talking,

stopped making eye contact and began lining everything in the house

he could get his hands on. I came into the living room and he had

taken all the video tapes off the shelf and lined them around the

room and down the hall and into his room. He became very upset when

I tried to pick them up...and thus things have gone. From the day he

was born I use to rock him to sleep at night. He would always cry

for me to do it...now he wont let me hold him at all. Was his

reaction to the shots significant? His pediatrician said it was

normal and not to worry about it but the swelling seem very unusual

to me especially the bright red , hot reaction as well as the lumps

lasting months. This may not be significant but I was wondering if

anyone had an idea about it...thanks

[Guest guest]

He has been diagnosed and the doctor told us immunizations can not cause

this.but after reading posts to this site and other things on the net..I

question that. Sounds to me like the shots could be at the root of his

autism. Knowing wont change things for my grandson but knowing could

help my peace of mind.. And selfishly I want some answers. I want to

be able with some knowledge to help my daughter stop feeling such deep

guilt that somehow she is at fault. All her friends blame her. As if

she has done anything wrong.she is a great mom. One friend told her if

she had put him in day care when he was younger this would not have

happened. People can be so cruel at times. I just have nothing to

compare with to know if his reaction was significant enough to have been

caused by the shots. If many doctors do not accept the premise that it

can cause autism, then obviously there is no test per say. I am

learning those who have walked down this road for awhile have those

answers not the doctors.

immunization question

Hi,

I am only 3 months into the education process and I have been

reading anything and everything I can get my hands on and trying to

understand ,probably more than my mind can absorb this rapidly. I

have been reading about reactions to vaccinations and I have a

question. When my grandson was given 5 at one time, his little legs

swelled the size of golf balls in both legs and were bright red.

His legs stayed this way for weeks and the lumps in his legs did not

go away for 6 months. It was after the shots he stopped talking,

stopped making eye contact and began lining everything in the house

he could get his hands on. I came into the living room and he had

taken all the video tapes off the shelf and lined them around the

room and down the hall and into his room. He became very upset when

I tried to pick them up...and thus things have gone. From the day he

was born I use to rock him to sleep at night. He would always cry

for me to do it...now he wont let me hold him at all. Was his

reaction to the shots significant? His pediatrician said it was

normal and not to worry about it but the swelling seem very unusual

to me especially the bright red , hot reaction as well as the lumps

lasting months. This may not be significant but I was wondering if

anyone had an idea about it...thanks

[Guest guest]

What has he been diagnosed with?

MOST doctors ALWAYS say this because they are brainwashed beginning in

Medical School to this line of thinking. Furthermore, Doctors are the

single biggest group of investors in the Pharmaceutical industry (by

profession), so they have a FINANCIAL interest in most cases in perpetuating

this myth.

The truth is that there IS scientific research supporting the idea that

Vaccinations CAN cause Autism. Just because the medical monopoly refuses to

acknowledge it doesn't mean the evidence isn't there.

From youre story it certainly sounds like you have some evidence that there

was a strong PHYSICAL reaction, if you have documentation supporting the

loss of Speech and or irregular behavior patterns ocurring soon after the

vaccinations, you may have grounds to prove your case before

This is a huge are of debate and there is ALOT of research supporeting this

idea, but I can't refer you to all of it.

A good place to start is: http://www.vaccineinfo.net/

<http://www.vaccineinfo.net/>

also, be aware that there is a time limit starting when you are aware of the

symptoms of the injury. Beyond this time limit, you can no longer file a

Vaccine injury claim.

Check http://www.vaccineinfo.net/yourrights/doctor_no_report.shtml

<http://www.vaccineinfo.net/yourrights/doctor_no_report.shtml> to get info

on who to contact to file a claim with the National Vaccine injury

Compensation board.

Some other websites of interest related to this question are:

http://www.gnd.org/Testimony/Congressional.htm

<http://www.gnd.org/Testimony/Congressional.htm> Dr. Bradstreet's

testimony before Congress

http://www.autism.com/ari/ <http://www.autism.com/ari/> look for article

called " Vaccinations: the overlooked factor "

And lastly, in the 1950's Bruno Bettelheim first blamed Autism upon " bad

mothering " and the incorrect idea of " refrigerator mothers " came about. It

is universally know today that Autism is NOT caused by bad mothering. Your

daughter needs to contact other parents with children that have this and she

will come to understand that it was nothing she did to cause this. And

maybe you can " educate " her friends and explain to them the truth about the

several leading thoughts about what DOES cause Autism- none of which are the

mother!

J. P. Reirdon

Webmaster

<http://www.featnt.org/> http://www.featnt.org

" Building a Bridge of Hope "

Webmaster

<http://www.autismtreatment.info/> http://www.AutismTreatment.info/

You CAN treat Autism!!

Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and Aperger's Syndrome from

parents who have successfully helped their children.

Webmaster

http://www.StarThrowers.org/ <http://www.starthrowers.org/>

Fundraising for In-Home treatment programs

immunization question

Hi,

I am only 3 months into the education process and I have been

reading anything and everything I can get my hands on and trying to

understand ,probably more than my mind can absorb this rapidly. I

have been reading about reactions to vaccinations and I have a

question. When my grandson was given 5 at one time, his little legs

swelled the size of golf balls in both legs and were bright red.

His legs stayed this way for weeks and the lumps in his legs did not

go away for 6 months. It was after the shots he stopped talking,

stopped making eye contact and began lining everything in the house

he could get his hands on. I came into the living room and he had

taken all the video tapes off the shelf and lined them around the

room and down the hall and into his room. He became very upset when

I tried to pick them up...and thus things have gone. From the day he

was born I use to rock him to sleep at night. He would always cry

for me to do it...now he wont let me hold him at all. Was his

reaction to the shots significant? His pediatrician said it was

normal and not to worry about it but the swelling seem very unusual

to me especially the bright red , hot reaction as well as the lumps

lasting months. This may not be significant but I was wondering if

anyone had an idea about it...thanks

[Guest guest]

What has he been diagnosed with?

MOST doctors ALWAYS say this because they are brainwashed beginning in

Medical School to this line of thinking. Furthermore, Doctors are the

single biggest group of investors in the Pharmaceutical industry (by

profession), so they have a FINANCIAL interest in most cases in perpetuating

this myth.

The truth is that there IS scientific research supporting the idea that

Vaccinations CAN cause Autism. Just because the medical monopoly refuses to

acknowledge it doesn't mean the evidence isn't there.

From youre story it certainly sounds like you have some evidence that there

was a strong PHYSICAL reaction, if you have documentation supporting the

loss of Speech and or irregular behavior patterns ocurring soon after the

vaccinations, you may have grounds to prove your case before

This is a huge are of debate and there is ALOT of research supporeting this

idea, but I can't refer you to all of it.

A good place to start is: http://www.vaccineinfo.net/

<http://www.vaccineinfo.net/>

also, be aware that there is a time limit starting when you are aware of the

symptoms of the injury. Beyond this time limit, you can no longer file a

Vaccine injury claim.

Check http://www.vaccineinfo.net/yourrights/doctor_no_report.shtml

<http://www.vaccineinfo.net/yourrights/doctor_no_report.shtml> to get info

on who to contact to file a claim with the National Vaccine injury

Compensation board.

Some other websites of interest related to this question are:

http://www.gnd.org/Testimony/Congressional.htm

<http://www.gnd.org/Testimony/Congressional.htm> Dr. Bradstreet's

testimony before Congress

http://www.autism.com/ari/ <http://www.autism.com/ari/> look for article

called " Vaccinations: the overlooked factor "

And lastly, in the 1950's Bruno Bettelheim first blamed Autism upon " bad

mothering " and the incorrect idea of " refrigerator mothers " came about. It

is universally know today that Autism is NOT caused by bad mothering. Your

daughter needs to contact other parents with children that have this and she

will come to understand that it was nothing she did to cause this. And

maybe you can " educate " her friends and explain to them the truth about the

several leading thoughts about what DOES cause Autism- none of which are the

mother!

J. P. Reirdon

Webmaster

<http://www.featnt.org/> http://www.featnt.org

" Building a Bridge of Hope "

Webmaster

<http://www.autismtreatment.info/> http://www.AutismTreatment.info/

You CAN treat Autism!!

Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and Aperger's Syndrome from

parents who have successfully helped their children.

Webmaster

http://www.StarThrowers.org/ <http://www.starthrowers.org/>

Fundraising for In-Home treatment programs

immunization question

Hi,

I am only 3 months into the education process and I have been

reading anything and everything I can get my hands on and trying to

understand ,probably more than my mind can absorb this rapidly. I

have been reading about reactions to vaccinations and I have a

question. When my grandson was given 5 at one time, his little legs

swelled the size of golf balls in both legs and were bright red.

His legs stayed this way for weeks and the lumps in his legs did not

go away for 6 months. It was after the shots he stopped talking,

stopped making eye contact and began lining everything in the house

he could get his hands on. I came into the living room and he had

taken all the video tapes off the shelf and lined them around the

room and down the hall and into his room. He became very upset when

I tried to pick them up...and thus things have gone. From the day he

was born I use to rock him to sleep at night. He would always cry

for me to do it...now he wont let me hold him at all. Was his

reaction to the shots significant? His pediatrician said it was

normal and not to worry about it but the swelling seem very unusual

to me especially the bright red , hot reaction as well as the lumps

lasting months. This may not be significant but I was wondering if

anyone had an idea about it...thanks

[Guest guest]

Well all we have been told is that he is autistic/PDD. He finally has

an appointment, after being on a waiting list , to be assessed , not

sure the correct term but where we filled out tons of paper work about

him then he goes in for test to determine more precisely his problems.

2 doctors and a therapist have stated they believe he is autistic. I

assume these tests are to further confirm and define.

I was very upset when I got his medical records today in the mail

because even though his first pediatrician made notes about his

developmental delay.she has in her notes that testing in these areas

needs to be pursued 12/02. NO where in his records are the 5 separate

requests we made to have her send a letter of referral to the Meyers

Center at Texas Childrens Hospital, which they would not accept him

without.or to any other clinic in Houston. We begged for one for 6

months then just found a new doctor. Every time we called they assured

us it was taken care of, then nothing . We checked repeatedly with the

Meyers clinic.nothing. And the doctor did not even make a note in my

grandsons records to send one, or that we requested one. Just notes

like , he was hysterical through the visit. That he could speak 10

words at age 1 then at age 2 no words. But her notes made no connection

as if she did not notice he stopped. It is as if he did not matter. I

am sorry I cannot stop crying. How can people do this.How can a doctor

do this????

immunization question

Hi,

I am only 3 months into the education process and I have been

reading anything and everything I can get my hands on and trying to

understand ,probably more than my mind can absorb this rapidly. I

have been reading about reactions to vaccinations and I have a

question. When my grandson was given 5 at one time, his little legs

swelled the size of golf balls in both legs and were bright red.

His legs stayed this way for weeks and the lumps in his legs did not

go away for 6 months. It was after the shots he stopped talking,

stopped making eye contact and began lining everything in the house

he could get his hands on. I came into the living room and he had

taken all the video tapes off the shelf and lined them around the

room and down the hall and into his room. He became very upset when

I tried to pick them up...and thus things have gone. From the day he

was born I use to rock him to sleep at night. He would always cry

for me to do it...now he wont let me hold him at all. Was his

reaction to the shots significant? His pediatrician said it was

normal and not to worry about it but the swelling seem very unusual

to me especially the bright red , hot reaction as well as the lumps

lasting months. This may not be significant but I was wondering if

anyone had an idea about it...thanks

[Guest guest]

,

We like to think of ALL Doctors as altruistic and ONLY interested in our

personal care and well being, sadly this is a fantasy that just isn't true.

And to be fair, not entirely fair to Doctors. Doctors are only human, to

expect them to be otherwise is unrealistic. This means they ALSO have

biases, and opinions and many times these biases and opinions are no more

founded on hard scientifc research than ours are as laypeople.

They are too willing to depend on the word of orgs like the AMA and the CDC

which are HEAVILY influenced by the Pharmaceutical industry. And like any

profession, there are some that don't really care about the people they

should be serving as much as the insurance companies and other orgs that

tell them what to believe and how to act.

Doctor's records are often sloppy, we found innacurracies on our children's

immunization document! (something that is important enough you would think

they would keep better records for.)

But don't lose hope. All is not lost. There are treatments available for

children with Autism that are showing alot of promise:

Be sure to look into ABA (Applied Behavior Analysis), Dietary treatment and

other Biomedical treatments that are emerging. You need to find a DAN

doctor near you to get started with some of the Diagnostic tests and

treatments that are showing promise.

Some links are :

Autism Network for Dietary Intervention - http://www.autismndi.com/

<http://www.autismndi.com/>

Autism Research institute - http://www.autism.com/ari/contents.html

<http://www.autism.com/ari/contents.html> good general info and look for

" DAN! Physician Referral List "

Families for Early Autism Treatment - North Texas - http://www.featnt.org/

<http://www.featnt.org/> FEAT-NT has a great " New Parents Pack " that has

ALOT of resources for new parents. (There website is currently down, today,

but should be back up tomorrow)

A couple of websites I maintain - http://www.AutismTreatment.info/

<http://www.AutismTreatment.info/> and http://www.StarThrowers.org/

<http://www.StarThrowers.org/>

Your crying is normal, but you will find strength through action and the

knowledge that your grandson's best hope for a normal life is in YOUR hands

(and your daughters). This is not a condition where you can go to the

Doctor and they will just fix it for you, as you are already finding out.

But YOU CAN DO IT. You can help your grandchild and improve his life. It

will be hard work, but VERY rewarding emotionally and spiritually.

Good luck,

J. P. Reirdon

Webmaster

<http://www.featnt.org/> http://www.featnt.org

" Building a Bridge of Hope "

Webmaster

<http://www.autismtreatment.info/> http://www.AutismTreatment.info/

You CAN treat Autism!!

Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and Aperger's Syndrome from

parents who have successfully helped their children.

Webmaster

http://www.StarThrowers.org/ <http://www.starthrowers.org/>

Fundraising for In-Home treatment programs

immunization question

Hi,

I am only 3 months into the education process and I have been

reading anything and everything I can get my hands on and trying to

understand ,probably more than my mind can absorb this rapidly. I

have been reading about reactions to vaccinations and I have a

question. When my grandson was given 5 at one time, his little legs

swelled the size of golf balls in both legs and were bright red.

His legs stayed this way for weeks and the lumps in his legs did not

go away for 6 months. It was after the shots he stopped talking,

stopped making eye contact and began lining everything in the house

he could get his hands on. I came into the living room and he had

taken all the video tapes off the shelf and lined them around the

room and down the hall and into his room. He became very upset when

I tried to pick them up...and thus things have gone. From the day he

was born I use to rock him to sleep at night. He would always cry

for me to do it...now he wont let me hold him at all. Was his

reaction to the shots significant? His pediatrician said it was

normal and not to worry about it but the swelling seem very unusual

to me especially the bright red , hot reaction as well as the lumps

lasting months. This may not be significant but I was wondering if

anyone had an idea about it...thanks

[Guest guest]

What a neat person you are for taking the time.thank you . you are one

of the reasons people like me, have hope!

immunization question

Hi,

I am only 3 months into the education process and I have been

reading anything and everything I can get my hands on and trying to

understand ,probably more than my mind can absorb this rapidly. I

have been reading about reactions to vaccinations and I have a

question. When my grandson was given 5 at one time, his little legs

swelled the size of golf balls in both legs and were bright red.

His legs stayed this way for weeks and the lumps in his legs did not

go away for 6 months. It was after the shots he stopped talking,

stopped making eye contact and began lining everything in the house

he could get his hands on. I came into the living room and he had

taken all the video tapes off the shelf and lined them around the

room and down the hall and into his room. He became very upset when

I tried to pick them up...and thus things have gone. From the day he

was born I use to rock him to sleep at night. He would always cry

for me to do it...now he wont let me hold him at all. Was his

reaction to the shots significant? His pediatrician said it was

normal and not to worry about it but the swelling seem very unusual

to me especially the bright red , hot reaction as well as the lumps

lasting months. This may not be significant but I was wondering if

anyone had an idea about it...thanks

[Guest guest]

Thank you, no problem.

J. P. Reirdon

Webmaster

<http://www.featnt.org/> http://www.featnt.org

" Building a Bridge of Hope "

Webmaster

<http://www.autismtreatment.info/> http://www.AutismTreatment.info/

You CAN treat Autism!!

Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and Aperger's Syndrome from

parents who have successfully helped their children.

Webmaster

http://www.StarThrowers.org/ <http://www.starthrowers.org/>

Fundraising for In-Home treatment programs

immunization question

Hi,

I am only 3 months into the education process and I have been

reading anything and everything I can get my hands on and trying to

understand ,probably more than my mind can absorb this rapidly. I

have been reading about reactions to vaccinations and I have a

question. When my grandson was given 5 at one time, his little legs

swelled the size of golf balls in both legs and were bright red.

His legs stayed this way for weeks and the lumps in his legs did not

go away for 6 months. It was after the shots he stopped talking,

stopped making eye contact and began lining everything in the house

he could get his hands on. I came into the living room and he had

taken all the video tapes off the shelf and lined them around the

room and down the hall and into his room. He became very upset when

I tried to pick them up...and thus things have gone. From the day he

was born I use to rock him to sleep at night. He would always cry

for me to do it...now he wont let me hold him at all. Was his

reaction to the shots significant? His pediatrician said it was

normal and not to worry about it but the swelling seem very unusual

to me especially the bright red , hot reaction as well as the lumps

lasting months. This may not be significant but I was wondering if

anyone had an idea about it...thanks

[Guest guest]

>When my grandson was given 5 at one time, his little legs

swelled the size of golf balls in both legs and were bright red.

His legs stayed this way for weeks and the lumps in his legs did not

go away for 6 months. It was after the shots he stopped talking, <

You should report this to VAERS asap. If it hasn't been more than 3 years, 2?

you should file with NVIC right away. There is no way what you described is

normal, and this is what makes me very angry about doctors. I am beginning to

have no sympathy for them what so ever, and do believe they are culprits in all

this.

[Guest guest]

>When my grandson was given 5 at one time, his little legs

swelled the size of golf balls in both legs and were bright red.

His legs stayed this way for weeks and the lumps in his legs did not

go away for 6 months. It was after the shots he stopped talking, <

You should report this to VAERS asap. If it hasn't been more than 3 years, 2?

you should file with NVIC right away. There is no way what you described is

normal, and this is what makes me very angry about doctors. I am beginning to

have no sympathy for them what so ever, and do believe they are culprits in all

this.

[Guest guest]

,

I'd like to recommend a very good book to read. It's called, 'Treating Autism

Parent stories of Hope and Success' Edited By M. Edelson, PH.D. &

Bernard Rimland, PH.D.

There are stories by about 25 different families & the things they did to

help their children. It may help you & your daughter realize that most of us

have

gone through the same things & there is hope. It's usually very slow &

extremely expensive, but things can get better.

Best wishes,

Lori

In a message dated 8/4/03 3:19:59 PM Central Daylight Time,

jreirdon@... writes:

> Your crying is normal, but you will find strength through action and the

> knowledge that your grandson's best hope for a normal life is in YOUR hands

> (and your daughters). This is not a condition where you can go to the

> Doctor and they will just fix it for you, as you are already finding out.

>

> But YOU CAN DO IT. You can help your grandchild and improve his life. It

> will be hard work, but VERY rewarding emotionally and spiritually.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'd like to recommend a very good book to read. It's called, 'Treating Autism

Parent stories of Hope and Success' Edited By M. Edelson, PH.D. &

Bernard Rimland, PH.D.

There are stories by about 25 different families & the things they did to

help their children. It may help you & your daughter realize that most of us

have

gone through the same things & there is hope. It's usually very slow &

extremely expensive, but things can get better.

Best wishes,

Lori

In a message dated 8/4/03 3:19:59 PM Central Daylight Time,

jreirdon@... writes:

> Your crying is normal, but you will find strength through action and the

> knowledge that your grandson's best hope for a normal life is in YOUR hands

> (and your daughters). This is not a condition where you can go to the

> Doctor and they will just fix it for you, as you are already finding out.

>

> But YOU CAN DO IT. You can help your grandchild and improve his life. It

> will be hard work, but VERY rewarding emotionally and spiritually.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'd like to recommend a very good book to read. It's called, 'Treating Autism

Parent stories of Hope and Success' Edited By M. Edelson, PH.D. &

Bernard Rimland, PH.D.

There are stories by about 25 different families & the things they did to

help their children. It may help you & your daughter realize that most of us

have

gone through the same things & there is hope. It's usually very slow &

extremely expensive, but things can get better.

Best wishes,

Lori

In a message dated 8/4/03 3:19:59 PM Central Daylight Time,

jreirdon@... writes:

> Your crying is normal, but you will find strength through action and the

> knowledge that your grandson's best hope for a normal life is in YOUR hands

> (and your daughters). This is not a condition where you can go to the

> Doctor and they will just fix it for you, as you are already finding out.

>

> But YOU CAN DO IT. You can help your grandchild and improve his life. It

> will be hard work, but VERY rewarding emotionally and spiritually.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>There is so

much information to assemble and sort and we do not want to do anything

wrong. <

Dawn from PROVE told me once that she has had parents tell her that they gave

into the pressure to vaccinate with boosters their autistic children and then

saw their child regress. I have spoken to one parent personally that saw this

happen to their child when they received boosters. Based on this kind of

information we have chosen for Tristan to not receive boosters, and have gotten

the support of our M.D. in the form of a medical exemption. If you are not

totally sure the boosters are safe and necessary you should claim the

conscientious exemption we now have in our state. In my opinion the risks of

vaccines trully outweighs (if any) benefits to our children.

[Guest guest]

>There is so

much information to assemble and sort and we do not want to do anything

wrong. <

Dawn from PROVE told me once that she has had parents tell her that they gave

into the pressure to vaccinate with boosters their autistic children and then

saw their child regress. I have spoken to one parent personally that saw this

happen to their child when they received boosters. Based on this kind of

information we have chosen for Tristan to not receive boosters, and have gotten

the support of our M.D. in the form of a medical exemption. If you are not

totally sure the boosters are safe and necessary you should claim the

conscientious exemption we now have in our state. In my opinion the risks of

vaccines trully outweighs (if any) benefits to our children.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Lori,

Everyone has been so kind and helpful. I think we are still at that

stage of shock to the system and pocket book, some denial, lots of guilt

and wanting to find all the answers in one day and feeling like we know

nothing and the more we read the less we seem to know. We know he is

coming up on boosters and we do not know how to handle that. There is so

much information to assemble and sort and we do not want to do anything

wrong. I have lost my faith in listening too hard to doctors yet you

have to at the same time. ly it is all very confusing.

I have a new question and that is.has anyone had any experience with

water therapy? I guess that is how you would say that. We started

letting him go swimming for about 20 minutes each day this week, and

that seemed to make a big difference in his stress level the rest of the

day. I am not sure if I am just hoping that is true or if anyone has

experienced or read anything about that? We all noticed an improvement

in that he does not seem to get as upset and cry as often the balance of

the day. When relaxed he seems to get words to form better. Is that my

imagination or wishful thinking or could there be something to it?

[Guest guest]

Thank you Lori,

Everyone has been so kind and helpful. I think we are still at that

stage of shock to the system and pocket book, some denial, lots of guilt

and wanting to find all the answers in one day and feeling like we know

nothing and the more we read the less we seem to know. We know he is

coming up on boosters and we do not know how to handle that. There is so

much information to assemble and sort and we do not want to do anything

wrong. I have lost my faith in listening too hard to doctors yet you

have to at the same time. ly it is all very confusing.

I have a new question and that is.has anyone had any experience with

water therapy? I guess that is how you would say that. We started

letting him go swimming for about 20 minutes each day this week, and

that seemed to make a big difference in his stress level the rest of the

day. I am not sure if I am just hoping that is true or if anyone has

experienced or read anything about that? We all noticed an improvement

in that he does not seem to get as upset and cry as often the balance of

the day. When relaxed he seems to get words to form better. Is that my

imagination or wishful thinking or could there be something to it?

[Guest guest]

Cave's book -- " What your doctor may not tell you about your

children's Vaccinations " is a must read for you! She is a DAN Doctor and

this book is awesome. Answers all your questions about how to vaccinate

safely - boosters, and all that...... You can order the book off of

Amazon.com

My severely autistic son just LOVES the water - we take him every chance we

can --- it is a great sensory integration therapy!!! No, it is not your

imagination! My son also does well after horse riding therapy.

Welcome to the group....

Guppy

[Guest guest]

Cave's book -- " What your doctor may not tell you about your

children's Vaccinations " is a must read for you! She is a DAN Doctor and

this book is awesome. Answers all your questions about how to vaccinate

safely - boosters, and all that...... You can order the book off of

Amazon.com

My severely autistic son just LOVES the water - we take him every chance we

can --- it is a great sensory integration therapy!!! No, it is not your

imagination! My son also does well after horse riding therapy.

Welcome to the group....

Guppy

[Guest guest]

[] Thank You for the info and the nice welcome. I will

order it today!

Welcome to the group....

Guppy

[Guest guest]

[] Thank You for the info and the nice welcome. I will

order it today!

Welcome to the group....

Guppy

[Guest guest]

any medical people here?

does anyone know if a person could test positive for mumps, measles

rubella in an mmr titer test but not really be contagious? can any of

those be like herpes where u might show antibodies but never been

sick? or maybe i am explaining it wrong, but anyway situation is work

did a titer test on me to doublecheck and i dont know results yet,

ihad vax as kid but they say its too oldschool so checking.

i just dont want to have to get vax, cus of thimerasol aluminum etc