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[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Given that there are so many sub-sets of the illness (some with little

post-exertional fatigue, some with lots, including big crashes), do you feel it

could be dangerous for some reading survey results which may not apply to their

specific sub-set?

Just occurred to me that one person may gain lots from the Gupta programme,

while another might be harmed because he or she would want to take more exercise

than is safe in this person's particular case.

I became concerned about this after reading post 5a in this digest.

Thoughts anyone? I do not mean to throw cold water on the survey, just wanted

to express my concerns.

[Moderator: with my model (infection + inherited/acquired coagulation defect

there's over 400 basic subsets, with 8000 being the practical numbers. The

choice is no information of " averaged " information]

[Guest guest]

How long will this poll be open for voting?

I have a feeling that there are quite a few people who are just starting the

Gupta protocol

so it seems a little early to be looking for results?

I know of two people in the Seattle area who just started it in the last 2

weeks. If they see

any benefit, I would guess it may not happen for at least a couple of months if

not

longer...???

d.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ken

I just wished to make a note that test mentioned here should be `Whole

blood histamine test`. there is also serum histamine test which i had

mistakenly taken which is not used by Pfeiffer high histamine diagnosis.

Also according to my search results i found out that ascorbic acid raises

histamine whereas ascorbates lower it. You may wish to make your own search

on this.

best wishes

nil

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[Guest guest]

nil

thats confusing to me, my research on pfeiffer and vitamin c said its

antihistamine, here is one article when i just did a quick search

right now:

http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/abstract/11/2/172

I didnt research ascorbate yet.

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> Hi ken

>

> I just wished to make a note that test mentioned here should be `Whole

> blood histamine test`. there is also serum histamine test which i had

> mistakenly taken which is not used by Pfeiffer high histamine diagnosis.

>

> Also according to my search results i found out that ascorbic acid

raises

> histamine whereas ascorbates lower it. You may wish to make your own

search

> on this.

> best wishes

> nil

>

> [Moderator: Unfortunately it is not possible to update it]

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[Guest guest]

http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/abstract/11/2/172

I am not sure if the histamine test performed here is the one used by

Pfeiffer. Still i would be very interested to see any article by Pfeiffer

treatment center on ascorbic acid and anti-histamine property. I made a

search for it in the past but i couldn't find any. if you have any links

could you please share.

my info on not to take ascorbic acid for high histamine case came from below

article. I respect the author very much and i have used various healing

modalities he had listed on his site.So,i trusted info given below.

" This histadelic type shows basically the symptoms of the low blood sugar or

hypoglycaemic personality and is susceptible to strong allergic reactions

and inflammations. Blood pressure is low, body fluids overacid and the skin

very sensitive to cold, pain and irritants. Frequently there are headaches

and dizziness. The main mental symptoms are suicidal depression, obsessive

rumination, blank-mindedness alternating with periods of over-arousal,

thought disorders, compulsive behaviour and phobias.

The diet is basically a hypoglycaemic low allergy diet with slow-digesting

food. Lentils or other legumes, best sprouted, with most meals, liver, also

fish or seafood. Other staple foods are brown rice, extra-virgin olive oil,

ground linseed, cooked and raw vegetables. Use fruit and cooked sweet

vegetables, such as carrots and pumpkin only sparingly.

If not symptom-free on this diet and with the help of recommended

supplements go on a 3 - 4 day water fast and follow this with another 3 - 4

days on brown rice flavoured only with olive oil, herbs and possibly lightly

salted. Then add other recommended foods one by one with careful observation

of the mental condition. If symptom-free test also other foods.

Avoid gluten and cows' milk products, margarine, polyunsaturated oils, sweet

food including dried fruit and fruit juices, vinegar, chemical additives,

alcohol, smoking, drugs.

With meals take half a teaspoon of calcium ascorbate, vitamin E and vitamin

B6 up to several hundred milligrams each, 10 - 20 mg of zinc, manganese and

chromium or trace mineral supplement, ground linseed, cod liver oil and

possibly fish oil concentrates, kelp, the amino acid methionine to reduce

histamine levels. Experiment with increasing amounts of nicotinamide,

glutamine as brain fuel, with depression vitamin B12 (absorb under the

tongue), freeze-dried thyroid, tryptophan or tyrosine - see also the section

on depression. Do not take niacin, folic acid, ascorbic acid or lecithin,

which may increase histamine levels. Initially avoid multivitamins or

B-complex with these ingredients or try some with only very low levels of

these. Usually depression disappears first, followed by blank-mindedness and

obsessions, while compulsions and phobias may continue much longer. "

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/mentaldisease.html

bw

nil

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> nil

> thats confusing to me, my research on pfeiffer and vitamin c said its

> antihistamine, here is one article when i just did a quick search

> right now:

> http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/abstract/11/2/172

>

[Guest guest]

Moderator,

Could you add a suggestion such as

Would never consider anything like this, certainly not at this price.

Then I might be able to vote and see if anyone else is so confused

and sick they would put out this kind of money. I might want to get

some of their money for needy people in Africa or something.

a Carnes

[Moderator: I'm trying to encourage " Have anyone tried XYZ... " posts into polls,

it cuts traffic and builds up a resource for everyone...]

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I have had a FLU shot since getting CFIDS. My common

response (i.e. what happenned most of the time, if you have

had multiple shots) has been:

o No reaction at all

o Very minor reaction - not significant

o Reaction -- not enough to stop me getting another one

o Reacion - enought to stop me getting another shot

o Bad reaction -- definitely not getting another

o Have not had one -- just curious.

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