Re: Feeling better with increased heart rate?

March 25, 2008

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Personally, I think that exactly what you proposed may very well be the case.

Dr. Cheney told me that some of us (moi) are " living on Adrenaline " . We or our

bodies, in various ways have found ways to make the heart pump, therefore, we

are upright more than others. (I was not upright tho, for many years, average 20

hours a day).

In this forced pumping way, we " feel better " , appear to be functioning more. Yet

the erratic forcing of irregular blood flow is causing more injury and

disability in others ways, than those horizontal, with lower cardiac output..

They (the symptoms of CFS, causing need to lie down) are actually protecting the

heart and body from other damage, and heart failure.

Improved Cardiac output definitely helps " mood " , meaning just helps the brain to

work, period! Try putting your feet up and see if your mind feels clearer and

relieved.

Check out the prior 97 Cardiomyopathy post for what may be happening

post-exertion. Not for the faint of " heart " , pardon the pun.

Of course, Chocolate also has other elements, including antioxidents and mood

elevation. Look up chocolate and mood or " in love " chemical. That part sounds

funny, or bogus, but has been written about alot. The Aztecs also used it for

various healing properties.

Katrina

>

> Hi all.

>

> Well I do.

>

> My problem is that as soon as I eat chocolate my heart rate will

> increase and I start to feel a lot better. My mood improves to a high

> degree and I feel like having more energy. However if I continue to

> eat chocolate on the second day my heart will stay increased and I

> will kind of crash. I feel burned out then and since I'm kind of

> intolerant to all foods and sugars my skin will get very itchy my

> eyes will get red. I don't think that my skin gets itchy because of

> an allergic reactions I'm quite sure that it has to do with the

> increased heart rate because it's always the same, day 1 great, day 2

> worse + itching.

>

> I don't know what I should think about it. Chocolate works for me

> nearly the same as Cymbalta (I only take one tablet per month).

> Perhaps it's the neurotransmitters?

>

> The important thing is that every time my heart rate is normal for

> some days I feel kind of as I always do. Low energy, average mood,

> nothing positive. As soon as my heart rate increases my mood gets

> very good and my energy levels increase.

> Could I have reduced cardiac output or hypercoagulation or impaired

> circulation so every time my heart rate increases but whole

> body/brain gets supplied with more nutrients and oxygen but because

> my heart needs a lot of energy for pumping I crash on the second day?

>

> Does anyone have similar experiences?

>

> Greets

>

March 25, 2008

Katrina,

the aspect of low cardiac output, impaired circulation and

hypercoagulation caught my attention. In some month I will test for

hypercoagulation via Hemex. I found this interesting abstract on

Phoenix: http://phoenix-cfs.org/IACFS07Lappe.htm

It would explain how at least my brain feels most of the time

although I have no pain.

" Doctors from Barcelona, Spain, and Santiago, Chile, presented their

results of SPECT scanning in PWCs compared to patients with

depression. Dr. -Quintana showed that cerebral blood flow is

decreased in the frontal lobes (only) of depressed patients, but

reduced in frontal lobes and brainstem in PWCs. PWCs also have an

increase of blood flow in the thalamus (a pain control center).

Following exercise (or mental strain such as puzzles, short stories,

or cubing numbers) the cerebral blood flow was markedly decreased in

frontal, pre-frontal, anterior temporal, and cingulated regions in

more than 87% of subjects studied. Increased blood levels of the

enzymes elastace and RNaseL correlated with more severe loss of

cerebral blood flow. Comment: This is old news, but confirms

previous studies in the US. We have known for over a decade that

frontal, temporal lobe, and brainstem blood flow is reduced in PWCs,

which is thought to cause problems with creativity/motivation/memory

(frontal lobes), mood and memory (temporal lobes), and the

sleep/fatigue/autonomic centers of the brainstem. We also knew that

both exercise and mental exertion exacerbate this reduced blood flow

for up to 72 hours! The new twist is that elevated elastase and

RNaseL levels correlate with reduced blood flow. "

I have increased RNase and Elastase myself.

>

> ,

>

> Personally, I think that exactly what you proposed may very well be

the case.

>

> Dr. Cheney told me that some of us (moi) are " living on

Adrenaline " . We or our bodies, in various ways have found ways to

make the heart pump, therefore, we are upright more than others. (I

was not upright tho, for many years, average 20 hours a day).

>

> In this forced pumping way, we " feel better " , appear to be

functioning more. Yet the erratic forcing of irregular blood flow is

causing more injury and disability in others ways, than those

horizontal, with lower cardiac output.. They (the symptoms of CFS,

causing need to lie down) are actually protecting the heart and body

from other damage, and heart failure.

>

> Improved Cardiac output definitely helps " mood " , meaning just helps

the brain to work, period! Try putting your feet up and see if your

mind feels clearer and relieved.

>

> Check out the prior 97 Cardiomyopathy post for what may be

happening post-exertion. Not for the faint of " heart " , pardon the

pun.

>

> Of course, Chocolate also has other elements, including

antioxidents and mood elevation. Look up chocolate and mood or " in

love " chemical. That part sounds funny, or bogus, but has been

written about alot. The Aztecs also used it for various healing

properties.

>

> Katrina

>

March 25, 2008

Dear Manual,

I have exactly the same experience as you, with regards to

chocolate. After eating some, I feel slightly high, rush about

busily, and then crash for a few hours or days.. I don't know much

about the biochemistry, but I do know that chocolate contains,

caffeine, dairy (unless its dark) and sugar. If I eat any of those

substances on there own, I get the same response as if I had eaten

chocolate. Blood tests have shown that I have a dairy sensitivity

(so if I eat dairy, my body releases adrenaline and it gives me a

temporary high.) Caffeine sends me to the moon, and sugar makes me

feel jittery. So combining them all into chocolate is enough to make

me blissfully high and then crash hard. However if I then add in the

consequences of using the energy that has been created by the high,

causing a " boom " in activity, it is not surprising that I then

go " bust " for a period of time. A big part of my CFS management has

been in learning to avoid the foods, people or stimulating

situations, that cause my body to release adrenaline. Although I do

miss chocolate(!) I have come to the conclusion that the losses from

the bust, far out way the gains from the boom... If you add into

this the theory that some people with CFS have adrenal burnout, then

it becomes even more important to avoid things that put pressure on

our adrenals (like caffeine...)

A friend of mine is currently manging his CFS using caffine

tablets.. Its sad watching him becoming more and more ill as a

result.

Mmmm Easter eggs, chocolate bunnies... I do miss chocolate!

Grin.

Tansy

March 25, 2008

Dear Tansy,

I have nearly the same experiences. I have problems with so many

foods. At the moment I'm down to rice+meat+olive oil

It's really scary and maybe you are right perhaps it's the adrenaline

that pushes me. I also crash on the 2nd day.

I really don't know what to do or where our problem lies. Leaky gut

because of impaired circulation or immune dysfunction? I don't know.

>

> Dear Manual,

>

> I have exactly the same experience as you, with regards to

> chocolate. After eating some, I feel slightly high, rush about

> busily, and then crash for a few hours or days.. I don't know much

> about the biochemistry, but I do know that chocolate contains,

> caffeine, dairy (unless its dark) and sugar. If I eat any of those

> substances on there own, I get the same response as if I had eaten

> chocolate. Blood tests have shown that I have a dairy sensitivity

> (so if I eat dairy, my body releases adrenaline and it gives me a

> temporary high.) Caffeine sends me to the moon, and sugar makes me

> feel jittery. So combining them all into chocolate is enough to

make

> me blissfully high and then crash hard. However if I then add in

the

> consequences of using the energy that has been created by the high,

> causing a " boom " in activity, it is not surprising that I then

> go " bust " for a period of time. A big part of my CFS management has

> been in learning to avoid the foods, people or stimulating

> situations, that cause my body to release adrenaline. Although I do

> miss chocolate(!) I have come to the conclusion that the losses

from

> the bust, far out way the gains from the boom... If you add into

> this the theory that some people with CFS have adrenal burnout,

then

> it becomes even more important to avoid things that put pressure on

> our adrenals (like caffeine...)

>

> A friend of mine is currently manging his CFS using caffine

> tablets.. Its sad watching him becoming more and more ill as a

> result.

>

> Mmmm Easter eggs, chocolate bunnies... I do miss chocolate!

>

> Grin.

>

> Tansy

>

March 25, 2008

I just happened to be researching some info on histamine this morning. I

discovered that chocolate is one of the foods that raises histamine.

This could tie in with being an undermethylator.............??

Sharon M

Feeling better with increased heart rate?