Can Magnesium deplete calcium (or other minerals)?

[Guest guest]

Hello to all,

I need your help, and hopefully this question will benefit all...

I read quite often that calcium may deplete magnesium (but haven't seen any

studies)...but

even if that's true, could it also be true that magnesium depletes calcium or

other vitamins

or minerals?

I wonder because I've been taking more magnesium lately (mag taurate) and can't

really tell if

it's helping, or if it's making my legs twitch and tingle even more than usual.

They've been

quite bad lately...

Also...should the two be taken together...or separately...and why?

Would especially appreciate it if someone has studies to back up their

information.

Thanks,

Dan

[Guest guest]

Magnesium and Calcium

Holford says 'Magnesium interacts with calcium, so magnesium

supplements should be given only to people with adequate calcium

intake, or supplementing calcium. The ideal ratio of magnesium to

calcium is probably 2:3, and in cases of magnesium deficiency 1:1.'

( Holford's New Optimum Nutrition Bible, Piatkus 2004, p. 432).

Dr. Myhill says 'Calcium and magnesium compete for absorbtion

and so too much calcium in the diet will block magnesium absorbtion.

Our physiological requirements for calcium to magnesium is about 2:1.

In dairy products the ratio is 10:1. So, consuming a lot of dairy

products will induce a magnesium deficiency.' (Dr. Myhill,

Diagnosing and Treating CFS, book available free from her website

www.drmyhill.co.uk, p.81)

By the way, she also says that tea binds up and chelates all minerals

including magnesium, so if you drink tea, don't have it with food.

Also, Vitamin D is necesary for the body to use magnesium. If you do

not get sunshine on your skin, you need to supplement vitamin D.

Supplementing Magnesium

Dr. Myhill says that people with CFS will be low in magnesium, and

magnesium should be supplemented, for mitochondrial support and other

functions. She says magnesium is hard to replete orally, and

recommends daily injections of magnesium sulphate - though this is

controversial, other doctors say that oral supplementation works fine.

Holford says that the best-absorbed forms of magnesium (taken

orally) are aspartate, ascorbate, amino acid chelate, gluconate,

orotate and carbonate.

Dosage and Side Effects

I have never heard of leg twitch and tingle being related to too much

magnesium (I think of muscle twitch as possibly associated with

magnesium deficiency). Holford says that toxic effects of too much

magnesium are blushing of the skin, thirst, low blood pressure, loss

of reflexes and respiratory depression. He says 'Toxicity is likely

to occur only in people with kidney disease who are taking magnesium

supplements. For normal healthy adults a daily intake of up to 1,000

mg is considered safe.' (as above)

Dr. Myhill says 'The recommended daily allowance is 300mg for

men, 350mg for women. Magnesium is extremely safe by mouth - too much

simply causes diarrhoea. I have yet to see a red cell magnesium which

is too high. However, it is theoretically possible in people with

Kidney Failure.' (as above)

As ever, the 'experts' don't agree! But there seems to be a broad

consensus, that magnesium does compete with calcium (but that a diet

that includes dairy products is likely to be high in calcium and low

in magnesium), that it is good for people with CFS to supplement

magnesium, and that you're unlikely to OD on magnesium.

Best wishes,

Lesley

>

> Hello to all,

>

> I need your help, and hopefully this question will benefit all...

>

> I read quite often that calcium may deplete magnesium (but haven't

seen any studies)...but

> even if that's true, could it also be true that magnesium depletes

calcium or other vitamins

> or minerals?

>

> I wonder because I've been taking more magnesium lately (mag

taurate) and can't really tell if

> it's helping, or if it's making my legs twitch and tingle even more

than usual. They've been

> quite bad lately...

>

> Also...should the two be taken together...or separately...and why?

>

> Would especially appreciate it if someone has studies to back up

their information.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Dan

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan

I also have taken magnesium for couple of years without adequate intake of

calcium. I am also wondering if this contributed to worsening of some of my

problems.I had incredible constipation problem during that time and increasing

brain problems. I wonder if excess mg had any contribution to these? I was also

using taurate form.nowadays I am using 2 ca to 1 mg. ratio and i have

decreased the dosages.

bw

Nil

Can Magnesium deplete calcium (or other

minerals)?

Hello to all,

I need your help, and hopefully this question will benefit all...

I read quite often that calcium may deplete magnesium (but haven't seen any

studies)...but

even if that's true, could it also be true that magnesium depletes calcium or

other vitamins

[Guest guest]

Persoan experience only: good quality B Complex supplement took care of

twitching that occured when trying to fall asleep

Diane in MI

Re: Can Magnesium deplete calcium (or other

minerals)?

Magnesium and Calcium

Holford says 'Magnesium interacts with calcium, so magnesium

supplements should be given only to people with adequate calcium

intake, or supplementing calcium. The ideal ratio of magnesium to

calcium is probably 2:3, and in cases of magnesium deficiency 1:1.'

( Holford's New Optimum Nutrition Bible, Piatkus 2004, p. 432).

Dr. Myhill says 'Calcium and magnesium compete for absorbtion

and so too much calcium in the diet will block magnesium absorbtion.

Our physiological requirements for calcium to magnesium is about 2:1.

In dairy products the ratio is 10:1. So, consuming a lot of dairy

products will induce a magnesium deficiency.' (Dr. Myhill,

Diagnosing and Treating CFS, book available free from her website

www.drmyhill.co.uk, p.81)

By the way, she also says that tea binds up and chelates all minerals

including magnesium, so if you drink tea, don't have it with food.

Also, Vitamin D is necesary for the body to use magnesium. If you do

not get sunshine on your skin, you need to supplement vitamin D.

Supplementing Magnesium

Dr. Myhill says that people with CFS will be low in magnesium, and

magnesium should be supplemented, for mitochondrial support and other

functions. She says magnesium is hard to replete orally, and

recommends daily injections of magnesium sulphate - though this is

controversial, other doctors say that oral supplementation works fine.

Holford says that the best-absorbed forms of magnesium (taken

orally) are aspartate, ascorbate, amino acid chelate, gluconate,

orotate and carbonate.

Dosage and Side Effects

I have never heard of leg twitch and tingle being related to too much

magnesium (I think of muscle twitch as possibly associated with

magnesium deficiency). Holford says that toxic effects of too much

magnesium are blushing of the skin, thirst, low blood pressure, loss

of reflexes and respiratory depression. He says 'Toxicity is likely

to occur only in people with kidney disease who are taking magnesium

supplements. For normal healthy adults a daily intake of up to 1,000

mg is considered safe.' (as above)

Dr. Myhill says 'The recommended daily allowance is 300mg for

men, 350mg for women. Magnesium is extremely safe by mouth - too much

simply causes diarrhoea. I have yet to see a red cell magnesium which

is too high. However, it is theoretically possible in people with

Kidney Failure.' (as above)

As ever, the 'experts' don't agree! But there seems to be a broad

consensus, that magnesium does compete with calcium (but that a diet

that includes dairy products is likely to be high in calcium and low

in magnesium), that it is good for people with CFS to supplement

magnesium, and that you're unlikely to OD on magnesium.

Best wishes,

Lesley

>

> Hello to all,

>

> I need your help, and hopefully this question will benefit all...

>

> I read quite often that calcium may deplete magnesium (but haven't

seen any studies)...but

> even if that's true, could it also be true that magnesium depletes

calcium or other vitamins

> or minerals?

>

> I wonder because I've been taking more magnesium lately (mag

taurate) and can't really tell if

> it's helping, or if it's making my legs twitch and tingle even more

than usual. They've been

> quite bad lately...

>

> Also...should the two be taken together...or separately...and why?

>

> Would especially appreciate it if someone has studies to back up

their information.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Dan

>

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[Guest guest]

Dan,

They don't deplete each other but their actions are contrary to each

other. You need enough of both for health. If you have peripheral

neuropathy like I do you need calcium. I also take lecithin. There

are a lot of conditions that cause PN but it is often difficult to

find a cause. Have you been to a neurologist? I also find support

hose help since mine is correlated with venous circulation problems.

Edgar

On Feb 17, 2008, at 11:30 PM, kdrbrill wrote:

> Hello to all,

>

> I need your help, and hopefully this question will benefit all...

>

> I read quite often that calcium may deplete magnesium (but haven't

> seen any studies)...but

> even if that's true, could it also be true that magnesium depletes

> calcium or other vitamins

> or minerals?

>

> I wonder because I've been taking more magnesium lately (mag

> taurate) and can't really tell if

> it's helping, or if it's making my legs twitch and tingle even more

> than usual. They've been

> quite bad lately...

>

> Also...should the two be taken together...or separately...and why?

>

> Would especially appreciate it if someone has studies to back up

> their information.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Dan

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lesley and DAn,

The toxicity of magnesium is very low. YOu can take far above the

needed dose before there are problems given a normal metabolism. Eg.

epsom salts in quantity. Magnesium supplementation benefits are many,

for example in bone strength and stabilization of heart

irregularities. Often those supplementing with calcium need more

magnesium as well for both bones and heart. YOu are much more likely

to not be getting enough magnesium than calcium in most geological

areas.

EDgar

On Feb 18, 2008, at 12:22 AM, Lesley wrote:

> Magnesium and Calcium

>

> Holford says 'Magnesium interacts with calcium, so magnesium

> supplements should be given only to people with adequate calcium

> intake, or supplementing calcium. The ideal ratio of magnesium to

> calcium is probably 2:3, and in cases of magnesium deficiency 1:1.'

> ( Holford's New Optimum Nutrition Bible, Piatkus 2004, p. 432).

>

> Dr. Myhill says 'Calcium and magnesium compete for absorbtion

> and so too much calcium in the diet will block magnesium absorbtion.

> Our physiological requirements for calcium to magnesium is about 2:1.

> In dairy products the ratio is 10:1. So, consuming a lot of dairy

> products will induce a magnesium deficiency.' (Dr. Myhill,

> Diagnosing and Treating CFS, book available free from her website

> www.drmyhill.co.uk, p.81)

>

> By the way, she also says that tea binds up and chelates all minerals

> including magnesium, so if you drink tea, don't have it with food.

> Also, Vitamin D is necesary for the body to use magnesium. If you do

> not get sunshine on your skin, you need to supplement vitamin D.

>

> Supplementing Magnesium

>

> Dr. Myhill says that people with CFS will be low in magnesium, and

> magnesium should be supplemented, for mitochondrial support and other

> functions. She says magnesium is hard to replete orally, and

> recommends daily injections of magnesium sulphate - though this is

> controversial, other doctors say that oral supplementation works fine.

>

> Holford says that the best-absorbed forms of magnesium (taken

> orally) are aspartate, ascorbate, amino acid chelate, gluconate,

> orotate and carbonate.

>

> Dosage and Side Effects

>

> I have never heard of leg twitch and tingle being related to too much

> magnesium (I think of muscle twitch as possibly associated with

> magnesium deficiency). Holford says that toxic effects of too much

> magnesium are blushing of the skin, thirst, low blood pressure, loss

> of reflexes and respiratory depression. He says 'Toxicity is likely

> to occur only in people with kidney disease who are taking magnesium

> supplements. For normal healthy adults a daily intake of up to 1,000

> mg is considered safe.' (as above)

>

> Dr. Myhill says 'The recommended daily allowance is 300mg for

> men, 350mg for women. Magnesium is extremely safe by mouth - too much

> simply causes diarrhoea. I have yet to see a red cell magnesium which

> is too high. However, it is theoretically possible in people with

> Kidney Failure.' (as above)

>

> As ever, the 'experts' don't agree! But there seems to be a broad

> consensus, that magnesium does compete with calcium (but that a diet

> that includes dairy products is likely to be high in calcium and low

> in magnesium), that it is good for people with CFS to supplement

> magnesium, and that you're unlikely to OD on magnesium.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Lesley

>

>

> >

> > Hello to all,

> >

> > I need your help, and hopefully this question will benefit all...

> >

> > I read quite often that calcium may deplete magnesium (but haven't

> seen any studies)...but

> > even if that's true, could it also be true that magnesium depletes

> calcium or other vitamins

> > or minerals?

> >

> > I wonder because I've been taking more magnesium lately (mag

> taurate) and can't really tell if

> > it's helping, or if it's making my legs twitch and tingle even more

> than usual. They've been

> > quite bad lately...

> >

> > Also...should the two be taken together...or separately...and

> why?

> >

> > Would especially appreciate it if someone has studies to back up

> their information.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Dan

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your comprehensive reply! I guess I'm a little clearer on the

interaction,

but still wondering if it actually depletes or lowers other minerals like

calcium.

It's weird -- I've tried a zillion different types of calcium, and after a few

days I always

seem to get some sort of 'spur' happening...or a grinding sound in my neck.

Those have

disappeared since discontinuing the calcium (I get my cal from milk for now)...

Still not sure if they should be taken together...as they're found in

nature(!)...or

separately...?

And you're right -- experts don't agree!

d.

>

> Magnesium and Calcium

>

> Holford says 'Magnesium interacts with calcium, so magnesium

> supplements should be given only to people with adequate calcium

> intake, or supplementing calcium. The ideal ratio of magnesium to

> calcium is probably 2:3, and in cases of magnesium deficiency 1:1.'

> ( Holford's New Optimum Nutrition Bible, Piatkus 2004, p. 432).

>

> Dr. Myhill says 'Calcium and magnesium compete for absorbtion

> and so too much calcium in the diet will block magnesium absorbtion.

> Our physiological requirements for calcium to magnesium is about 2:1.

> In dairy products the ratio is 10:1. So, consuming a lot of dairy

> products will induce a magnesium deficiency.' (Dr. Myhill,

> Diagnosing and Treating CFS, book available free from her website

> www.drmyhill.co.uk, p.81)

>

> By the way, she also says that tea binds up and chelates all minerals

> including magnesium, so if you drink tea, don't have it with food.

> Also, Vitamin D is necesary for the body to use magnesium. If you do

> not get sunshine on your skin, you need to supplement vitamin D.

>

>

> Supplementing Magnesium

>

> Dr. Myhill says that people with CFS will be low in magnesium, and

> magnesium should be supplemented, for mitochondrial support and other

> functions. She says magnesium is hard to replete orally, and

> recommends daily injections of magnesium sulphate - though this is

> controversial, other doctors say that oral supplementation works fine.

>

> Holford says that the best-absorbed forms of magnesium (taken

> orally) are aspartate, ascorbate, amino acid chelate, gluconate,

> orotate and carbonate.

>

>

> Dosage and Side Effects

>

> I have never heard of leg twitch and tingle being related to too much

> magnesium (I think of muscle twitch as possibly associated with

> magnesium deficiency). Holford says that toxic effects of too much

> magnesium are blushing of the skin, thirst, low blood pressure, loss

> of reflexes and respiratory depression. He says 'Toxicity is likely

> to occur only in people with kidney disease who are taking magnesium

> supplements. For normal healthy adults a daily intake of up to 1,000

> mg is considered safe.' (as above)

>

> Dr. Myhill says 'The recommended daily allowance is 300mg for

> men, 350mg for women. Magnesium is extremely safe by mouth - too much

> simply causes diarrhoea. I have yet to see a red cell magnesium which

> is too high. However, it is theoretically possible in people with

> Kidney Failure.' (as above)

>

> As ever, the 'experts' don't agree! But there seems to be a broad

> consensus, that magnesium does compete with calcium (but that a diet

> that includes dairy products is likely to be high in calcium and low

> in magnesium), that it is good for people with CFS to supplement

> magnesium, and that you're unlikely to OD on magnesium.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Lesley

>

[Guest guest]

That's interesting Nil. I read of a gentleman who had been eating a ton of

dairy, and

RESOLVED his brain fog by upping magnesium and taking vitamin D (and lowering

the

dairy consumption).

I have read that calcium...or too much calcium...may cause consitpation..

d.

>

> Hi Dan

>

> I also have taken magnesium for couple of years without adequate intake of

calcium. I

am also wondering if this contributed to worsening of some of my problems.I had

incredible constipation problem during that time and increasing brain problems.

I wonder

if excess mg had any contribution to these? I was also using taurate

form.nowadays I am

using 2 ca to 1 mg. ratio and i have decreased the dosages.

> bw

> Nil

[Guest guest]

Hi Edgar,

Thanks for your reply. Has taking the calcium improved your neuropathy? Which

form of

calcium do you take? Also...do you take a magnesium supplement as well?

Thanks,

Dan

p.s. I do take a high-PC form of lecithin...and also SAM-e tends to help. The

tingling

mainly only happens when my leg tightens up...but I'm taking 3 mag taurates a

day... ???

>

> > Hello to all,

> >

> > I need your help, and hopefully this question will benefit all...

> >

> > I read quite often that calcium may deplete magnesium (but haven't

> > seen any studies)...but

> > even if that's true, could it also be true that magnesium depletes

> > calcium or other vitamins

> > or minerals?

> >

> > I wonder because I've been taking more magnesium lately (mag

> > taurate) and can't really tell if

> > it's helping, or if it's making my legs twitch and tingle even more

> > than usual. They've been

> > quite bad lately...

> >

> > Also...should the two be taken together...or separately...and why?

> >

> > Would especially appreciate it if someone has studies to back up

> > their information.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Dan

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't rely on dairy to get your calcium. Remember that US has

highest dairy consumption in the world, and also highest osteoporosis

rates!

Edgar

On Feb 18, 2008, at 11:08 AM, kdrbrill wrote:

> Thanks for your comprehensive reply! I guess I'm a little

> clearer on the interaction,

> but still wondering if it actually depletes or lowers other

> minerals like calcium.

>

> It's weird -- I've tried a zillion different types of calcium, and

> after a few days I always

> seem to get some sort of 'spur' happening...or a grinding sound in

> my neck. Those have

> disappeared since discontinuing the calcium (I get my cal from milk

> for now)...

>

> Still not sure if they should be taken together...as they're found

> in nature(!)...or

> separately...?

>

> And you're right -- experts don't agree!

>

> d.

>

>

> >

> > Magnesium and Calcium

> >

> > Holford says 'Magnesium interacts with calcium, so magnesium

> > supplements should be given only to people with adequate calcium

> > intake, or supplementing calcium. The ideal ratio of magnesium to

> > calcium is probably 2:3, and in cases of magnesium deficiency 1:1.'

> > ( Holford's New Optimum Nutrition Bible, Piatkus 2004, p.

> 432).

> >

> > Dr. Myhill says 'Calcium and magnesium compete for absorbtion

> > and so too much calcium in the diet will block magnesium absorbtion.

> > Our physiological requirements for calcium to magnesium is about

> 2:1.

> > In dairy products the ratio is 10:1. So, consuming a lot of dairy

> > products will induce a magnesium deficiency.' (Dr. Myhill,

> > Diagnosing and Treating CFS, book available free from her website

> > www.drmyhill.co.uk, p.81)

> >

> > By the way, she also says that tea binds up and chelates all

> minerals

> > including magnesium, so if you drink tea, don't have it with food.

> > Also, Vitamin D is necesary for the body to use magnesium. If you do

> > not get sunshine on your skin, you need to supplement vitamin D.

> >

> >

> > Supplementing Magnesium

> >

> > Dr. Myhill says that people with CFS will be low in magnesium, and

> > magnesium should be supplemented, for mitochondrial support and

> other

> > functions. She says magnesium is hard to replete orally, and

> > recommends daily injections of magnesium sulphate - though this is

> > controversial, other doctors say that oral supplementation works

> fine.

> >

> > Holford says that the best-absorbed forms of magnesium

> (taken

> > orally) are aspartate, ascorbate, amino acid chelate, gluconate,

> > orotate and carbonate.

> >

> >

> > Dosage and Side Effects

> >

> > I have never heard of leg twitch and tingle being related to too

> much

> > magnesium (I think of muscle twitch as possibly associated with

> > magnesium deficiency). Holford says that toxic effects of too much

> > magnesium are blushing of the skin, thirst, low blood pressure, loss

> > of reflexes and respiratory depression. He says 'Toxicity is likely

> > to occur only in people with kidney disease who are taking magnesium

> > supplements. For normal healthy adults a daily intake of up to 1,000

> > mg is considered safe.' (as above)

> >

> > Dr. Myhill says 'The recommended daily allowance is 300mg for

> > men, 350mg for women. Magnesium is extremely safe by mouth - too

> much

> > simply causes diarrhoea. I have yet to see a red cell magnesium

> which

> > is too high. However, it is theoretically possible in people with

> > Kidney Failure.' (as above)

> >

> > As ever, the 'experts' don't agree! But there seems to be a broad

> > consensus, that magnesium does compete with calcium (but that a diet

> > that includes dairy products is likely to be high in calcium and low

> > in magnesium), that it is good for people with CFS to supplement

> > magnesium, and that you're unlikely to OD on magnesium.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Lesley

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan,

My neuropathy is currently a little better but it comes and goes. I

do a lot of things for it and other problems so it's difficult to

tell which affects which in some cases. I do take magnesium. I also

use a device called a 'rebuilder' which you can google which helps

some. It is little known, even by neurologists if you can believe

that!, but approved by FDA.

Edgar

On Feb 18, 2008, at 11:16 AM, kdrbrill wrote:

> Hi Edgar,

>

> Thanks for your reply. Has taking the calcium improved your

> neuropathy? Which form of

> calcium do you take? Also...do you take a magnesium supplement as

> well?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Dan

>

> p.s. I do take a high-PC form of lecithin...and also SAM-e tends to

> help. The tingling

> mainly only happens when my leg tightens up...but I'm taking 3 mag

> taurates a day... ???

>

>

> >

> > > Hello to all,

> > >

> > > I need your help, and hopefully this question will benefit all...

> > >

> > > I read quite often that calcium may deplete magnesium (but haven't

> > > seen any studies)...but

> > > even if that's true, could it also be true that magnesium depletes

> > > calcium or other vitamins

> > > or minerals?

> > >

> > > I wonder because I've been taking more magnesium lately (mag

> > > taurate) and can't really tell if

> > > it's helping, or if it's making my legs twitch and tingle even

> more

> > > than usual. They've been

> > > quite bad lately...

> > >

> > > Also...should the two be taken together...or separately...and

> why?

> > >

> > > Would especially appreciate it if someone has studies to back up

> > > their information.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Dan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have never heard of magnesium caausing constipation. It relaxes smooth muscle

tissue, and mag sulfate is given IV to stop pre-mature labor in pregant women -

the side effect is loose bowels!

Judi

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[Guest guest]

Judith Armbruster <jarm1948@...> wrote:

>

> I have never heard of magnesium caausing constipation.

> It relaxes smooth muscle tissue, and mag sulfate is

> given IV to stop pre-mature labor in pregant women -

> the side effect is loose bowels!

>

> Judi

Stool contents may soften and even liquify with

enough magnesium, but longterm the relaxation of muscle tissue

in the colon may be excessive taken by itself, with resulting

motility problem (low peristalsis). Calcium can complement

magnesium well in that regard. Many factors contribute to

peristalsis (ref: my article " On Constipation " for more info)

Having had severe chronic constipation as a child and teen,

and sometimes later, and coming from a Swiss Mennonite maternal

line ancestry that may have genetically influenced that,

I've been around the block several times on this subject.

Carol

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[Guest guest]

sorry to dig up an old thread, I was researching magnesium and calcium ratios

and I am quite confused, so patrick holford says that for healthy people a 3:2

ratio of calcium to magnesium is right? so thats more calcium than magnesium, so

why for magnesium deficient people does he say a 1:1 ratio!? it doesnt seem

logical, can someone explain?!

regards JIM

> > >

> > > Magnesium and Calcium

> > >

> > > Holford says 'Magnesium interacts with calcium, so magnesium

> > > supplements should be given only to people with adequate calcium

> > > intake, or supplementing calcium. The ideal ratio of magnesium to calcium

is probably 2:3, and in cases of magnesium deficiency 1:1.'

> > > ( Holford's New Optimum Nutrition Bible, Piatkus 2004,

[Guest guest]

Hi - All he's saying is that if you are magnesium deficient, you need more

magnesium in order to correct the deficiency. Taking extra magnesiumm means

that you will end up taking a higher ratio of magnesium to calcium (i.e., 1/1 is

greater than 2/3). FWIW, I've read that if one is magnesium deficient, it can

take many months to restore the body's magnesium stores, so one might have to

take extra magnesium for a long time to make up for the lack of magnesium.

However, it is also known there are some people who simply don't absorb

magnesium well, due to genes or other factors. Thus, such people may always

need to take a high ratio of magnesium to calcium. But, if one is taking the RDA

of calcium (i.e. 1000-1200 mg), it's quite hard for most people to tolerate that

same amount of magnesium. And I've not found any study that indicates that

magnesium absorption or balance is significantly affected if one is taking

calcium in the ratio of 3/2 compared to 1/1 In most studies that show that too

much calcium affects magnesium absorption, the ratio of calcium to magnesium is

quite high. Thus, IMHO, I think it's more important to concentrate on the

amount of magnesium that one is taking (i.e., probably the RDA should be around

800mg rather than 400mg), and also to make sure one is taking a well absorbed

form, rather than worrying about the calcium to magnesium ratio. - Mark

>

> sorry to dig up an old thread, I was researching magnesium and calcium ratios

and I am quite confused, so patrick holford says that for healthy people a 3:2

ratio of calcium to magnesium is right? so thats more calcium than magnesium, so

why for magnesium deficient people does he say a 1:1 ratio!? it doesnt seem

logical, can someone explain?!

> regards JIM

>

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> > > > Magnesium and Calcium

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> > > > Holford says 'Magnesium interacts with calcium, so magnesium

> > > > supplements should be given only to people with adequate calcium

> > > > intake, or supplementing calcium. The ideal ratio of magnesium to

calcium is probably 2:3, and in cases of magnesium deficiency 1:1.'

> > > > ( Holford's New Optimum Nutrition Bible, Piatkus 2004,

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[Guest guest]

it says 2:3 is the ideal mag/cal  ratio, that being the case, there is your

answer

 

cheers

From: thescriptfiles <thescriptfiles@...>

Subject: Re: Can Magnesium deplete calcium (or other

minerals)?

Received: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 7:13 AM

sorry to dig up an old thread, I was researching magnesium and calcium ratios

and I am quite confused, so patrick holford says that for healthy people a 3:2

ratio of calcium to magnesium is right? so thats more calcium than magnesium, so

why for magnesium deficient people does he say a 1:1 ratio!? it doesnt seem

logical, can someone explain?!

regards JIM

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> > > Magnesium and Calcium

> > >

> > > Holford says 'Magnesium interacts with calcium, so magnesium

> > > supplements should be given only to people with adequate calcium

> > > intake, or supplementing calcium. The ideal ratio of magnesium to calcium

is probably 2:3, and in cases of magnesium deficiency 1:1.'

> > > ( Holford's New Optimum Nutrition Bible, Piatkus 2004,

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my understanding was the 2:3 calcium/magnesium ratio was ideal for a " healthy "

person who had normal levels. My mag levels are low, but also I have high

intracellular calcium which showed up on a mitochondria test, the problem is I

want to correct the magnesium but I dont want to deplete my calcium, as the body

takes calcium from the bones if there is not a supply elseware. Becuase of my

cfs/ME i am not exercising so therefore at greater risk of bone issues, plus I

do not eat much dairy becuase of the gut problems it causes me. I am just so

worried of depleting my calcium stores but one the other hand I need to correct

my magnesium, its a real minefield to know whats best!

JIM

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> Subject: Re: Can Magnesium deplete calcium (or other

minerals)?

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> sorry to dig up an old thread, I was researching magnesium and calcium ratios

and I am quite confused, so patrick holford says that for healthy people a 3:2

ratio of calcium to magnesium is right? so thats more calcium than magnesium, so

why for magnesium deficient people does he say a 1:1 ratio!? it doesnt seem

logical, can someone explain?!

> regards JIM

>

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> > > > Magnesium and Calcium

> > > >

> > > > Holford says 'Magnesium interacts with calcium, so magnesium

> > > > supplements should be given only to people with adequate calcium

> > > > intake, or supplementing calcium. The ideal ratio of magnesium to

calcium is probably 2:3, and in cases of magnesium deficiency 1:1.'

> > > > ( Holford's New Optimum Nutrition Bible, Piatkus 2004,

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> I was researching magnesium and calcium ratios and I am quite

> confused, so patrick holford says that for healthy people a 3:2

> ratio of calcium to magnesium is right? so thats more calcium

> than magnesium, so why for magnesium deficient people does he

> say a 1:1 ratio!? it doesnt seem logical, can someone explain?!

> regards JIM

There is some difference of opinion on cal:mag ratios, but it also

depends a lot on the individual and his constitutional tendencies

and needs. 2:1 cal:mag is actually the most common ratio you'll see,

but some people would do better with 1:1. 3:2 is a variation.

2:1 has always worked well for me personally.

Carol W.

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Yes, higher doses of mg can deplete calcium, it did for me when I was taking

mg injections. I was very depleted in magnesium but thought I was getting

adequate amounts of calcium from foods but my blood tests showed low after the

shots.

Sorry I can't give you a ratio of mg to calcium as I think it's depends on the

individual's absorption etc. My calcium levels went back up to normal after I

stopped the injections.

I guess the best way to know for sure is to find a magnesium supplement and have

your calcium levels checked after 1-2 months to make sure it's not depleting.

There are many alternative sources of calcium besides dairy. Kale, soy beans,

chia seeds(rich source of calcium and mineral boron, which acts as catalyst for

the absorption and utilization of the calcium by the body) etc.

Nat

> my understanding was the 2:3 calcium/magnesium ratio was ideal for a " healthy "

person who had normal levels. My mag levels are low, but also I have high

intracellular calcium which showed up on a mitochondria test, the problem is I

want to correct the magnesium but I dont want to deplete my calcium, as the body

takes calcium from the bones if there is not a supply elseware. Becuase of my

cfs/ME i am not exercising so therefore at greater risk of bone issues, plus I

do not eat much dairy becuase of the gut problems it causes me. I am just so

worried of depleting my calcium stores but one the other hand I need to correct

my magnesium, its a real minefield to know whats best!

> JIM

[Guest guest]

High intracellular calcium might mean that you actually are not getting enough

calcium. Calcium supplementation has been shown by several studies to reduce

intracellular calcium. For example:

http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/cgi/content/abstract/146/3/421

There's also an interesting study which supposedly shows that magnesium intake

can affect calcium balance, and that magnesium balance and calcium balance

coorelate which each other:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15637232?dopt=Abstract

Therefore, taking magnesium may actually help your calcium balance, not detract

from it. - Mark

> >

> >

> > From: thescriptfiles <thescriptfiles@>

> > Subject: Re: Can Magnesium deplete calcium (or other

minerals)?

> >

> > Received: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 7:13 AM

> >

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> > sorry to dig up an old thread, I was researching magnesium and calcium

ratios and I am quite confused, so patrick holford says that for healthy people

a 3:2 ratio of calcium to magnesium is right? so thats more calcium than

magnesium, so why for magnesium deficient people does he say a 1:1 ratio!? it

doesnt seem logical, can someone explain?!

> > regards JIM

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Magnesium and Calcium

> > > > >

> > > > > Holford says 'Magnesium interacts with calcium, so magnesium

> > > > > supplements should be given only to people with adequate calcium

> > > > > intake, or supplementing calcium. The ideal ratio of magnesium to

calcium is probably 2:3, and in cases of magnesium deficiency 1:1.'

> > > > > ( Holford's New Optimum Nutrition Bible, Piatkus 2004,

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Hi - Magnesium injections can cause a large increase is serum magnesium, which

oral magnesium cannot. If your serum magnesium increases too high, this

suppresses PTH levels, which then can reduce serum calcium. Perhaps this why

traditionallly, a magnesium deficiency is treated by oral magnesium, rather than

injections. Unless, of course, it's so severe that you have are having life

threatening symptoms, such as irregular heart rhythms. - Mark

>

> Jim,

>

> Yes, higher doses of mg can deplete calcium, it did for me when I was taking

mg injections. I was very depleted in magnesium but thought I was getting

adequate amounts of calcium from foods but my blood tests showed low after the

shots.

>

> Sorry I can't give you a ratio of mg to calcium as I think it's depends on the

individual's absorption etc. My calcium levels went back up to normal after I

stopped the injections.

> I guess the best way to know for sure is to find a magnesium supplement and

have your calcium levels checked after 1-2 months to make sure it's not

depleting.

>

> There are many alternative sources of calcium besides dairy. Kale, soy beans,

chia seeds(rich source of calcium and mineral boron, which acts as catalyst for

the absorption and utilization of the calcium by the body) etc.

>

> Nat

>

> > my understanding was the 2:3 calcium/magnesium ratio was ideal for a

" healthy " person who had normal levels. My mag levels are low, but also I have

high intracellular calcium which showed up on a mitochondria test, the problem

is I want to correct the magnesium but I dont want to deplete my calcium, as the

body takes calcium from the bones if there is not a supply elseware. Becuase of

my cfs/ME i am not exercising so therefore at greater risk of bone issues, plus

I do not eat much dairy becuase of the gut problems it causes me. I am just so

worried of depleting my calcium stores but one the other hand I need to correct

my magnesium, its a real minefield to know whats best!

> > JIM

>

[Guest guest]

In my previous post, I didn't meant to say that normal oral magnesium can't

increase serum magnesium. What I meant to say was that it can't increase serum

magnesium to excess amounts, like magnesium injections might be able to do. -

Mark

[Guest guest]

I took various forms of magnesium supplements for 10 years and still had a

deficiency. Eventually I developed parkinsism type symptoms where I couldn't

sit still- my head felt like it was always moving. I was jittery too, my doctor

thought I was on drugs. I also had shortness of breath when I walked a couple

of blocks.

I tried magnesium and taurine injections 3x/week for a couple of months and

these symptoms went away. It also improved my sleep. It gave me an overall

sense of well being.

I do injections for 6 weeks- 2 months each year just to keep my stores up.

nat

> In my previous post, I didn't meant to say that normal oral magnesium can't

increase serum magnesium. What I meant to say was that it can't increase serum

magnesium to excess amounts, like magnesium injections might be able to do. -

Mark

>

[Guest guest]

hi recently I have been thinking of tryin taurine and mag combined, there is mag

taurate in shops, or a trial of just taurine, I have read taurine does something

with calcium too, the symptoms you describe are quite similar to some I have

experienced too,

cheers JIM

>

> I took various forms of magnesium supplements for 10 years and still had a

deficiency. Eventually I developed parkinsism type symptoms where I couldn't

sit still- my head felt like it was always moving. I was jittery too, my doctor

thought I was on drugs. I also had shortness of breath when I walked a couple

of blocks.

>

> I tried magnesium and taurine injections 3x/week for a couple of months and

these symptoms went away. It also improved my sleep. It gave me an overall

sense of well being.

>

> I do injections for 6 weeks- 2 months each year just to keep my stores up.

>

> nat

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>

>

> > In my previous post, I didn't meant to say that normal oral magnesium can't

increase serum magnesium. What I meant to say was that it can't increase serum

magnesium to excess amounts, like magnesium injections might be able to do. -

Mark

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Just wondering what calcium test showed up low levels, was this a serum

calcium blood test?

I want to ask my gp to check my calcium now becuase I have been taking

magnesium now for 2 years!

thanks JIM

>

> Jim,

>

> Yes, higher doses of mg can deplete calcium, it did for me when I was taking

mg injections. I was very depleted in magnesium but thought I was getting

adequate amounts of calcium from foods but my blood tests showed low after the

shots.

>

> Sorry I can't give you a ratio of mg to calcium as I think it's depends on the

individual's absorption etc. My calcium levels went back up to normal after I

stopped the injections.

> I guess the best way to know for sure is to find a magnesium supplement and

have your calcium levels checked after 1-2 months to make sure it's not

depleting.

>

> There are many alternative sources of calcium besides dairy. Kale, soy beans,

chia seeds(rich source of calcium and mineral boron, which acts as catalyst for

the absorption and utilization of the calcium by the body) etc.

>

> Nat

>

> > my understanding was the 2:3 calcium/magnesium ratio was ideal for a

" healthy " person who had normal levels. My mag levels are low, but also I have

high intracellular calcium which showed up on a mitochondria test, the problem

is I want to correct the magnesium but I dont want to deplete my calcium, as the

body takes calcium from the bones if there is not a supply elseware. Becuase of

my cfs/ME i am not exercising so therefore at greater risk of bone issues, plus

I do not eat much dairy becuase of the gut problems it causes me. I am just so

worried of depleting my calcium stores but one the other hand I need to correct

my magnesium, its a real minefield to know whats best!

> > JIM

>