Guest guest Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 it didn't get lost...i sent some thoughts earlier...msg 101636 i think. christine > > I think the last time I sent this it got lost in cyber space. So here goes > again: > > I don't know if you all know (or care, hee hee) that I was a police officer > for 10 years before leaving after was born. I belong to an online law > enforcement forum. The question of health/vaccines has recently been > discussed. I commented that modern medicine has not cured one disease. I received > a comment that polio and small pox were cured by modern medicine. I > commented back that better sanitation and hygiene erradicated those, not medicine. > This is the response I got back: " > Why then has small pox been eliminated in Africa which is still struggling > with hygiene and sanitation and has not been able to eradicate other diseases? > People still die from diarrhea in Africa, yet no one gets small pox. > Additionally, polio was ravaging the U.S. even when hygiene was relatively good. > The disease was not eliminated until the vaccine was discovered. I must > admit that I find the resistance to modern medicine, which has alleviated human > suffering and altered the human condition for the better more than any other > advancement, rather puzzling. " I know how polio was caused by the vaccine in > some cases, but the statement about hygiene and small pox I don't have an > answer for. So I'm looking for help in responding to this officer. Thanks! > > Holly > > > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Bottom line is there is no real proof that small pox was eliminated due to vaccines. You may also want to point out there are no " cures " for small pox or polio. > > I think the last time I sent this it got lost in cyber space. So here goes > again: > > I don't know if you all know (or care, hee hee) that I was a police officer > for 10 years before leaving after was born. I belong to an online law > enforcement forum. The question of health/vaccines has recently been > discussed. I commented that modern medicine has not cured one disease. I received > a comment that polio and small pox were cured by modern medicine. I > commented back that better sanitation and hygiene erradicated those, not medicine. > This is the response I got back: " > Why then has small pox been eliminated in Africa which is still struggling > with hygiene and sanitation and has not been able to eradicate other diseases? > People still die from diarrhea in Africa, yet no one gets small pox. > Additionally, polio was ravaging the U.S. even when hygiene was relatively good. > The disease was not eliminated until the vaccine was discovered. I must > admit that I find the resistance to modern medicine, which has alleviated human > suffering and altered the human condition for the better more than any other > advancement, rather puzzling. " I know how polio was caused by the vaccine in > some cases, but the statement about hygiene and small pox I don't have an > answer for. So I'm looking for help in responding to this officer. Thanks! > > Holly > > > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Has patient received muscle treatments such as ART or TrPt care? Or old fashioned Gua Sha, Graston, etc. These would do wonders for sprain/strain injuries. Schneider DCOn Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Brad Farra <bpfarra@...> wrote: Hello everyone,I have a 35 year old female patient with acute onset low back pain following a session of exercise (body wight exercises like push-ups, sit ups, ect) 3 weeks ago. She is an extremely active and fit individual, triathlete and mountaineer, with no previous injury to the low back. Radiograph shows a short left leg by 8mm, minimal L5 retrolisthesis, mild L5-S1 disc narrowing with minimal L5-S1 spondylosis, Pars are intact.Flexion/extension studies showed no overt instability (although there wasn't much flexion due to severity of pain.) I have treated this patient for the past 3 weeks with little if any overall improvement. Interferential, acupuncture, and adjusting have provided only temporary relief. Sometimes the pain improves for days only to revert back with no real cause for the exacerbation. Flexion/distraction increases the pain, as does the stork test and any orthopedic test that moves the L/S joint. Neuro exam is normal and pain does not radiate past the sacral apex. I expected this patient to be in much less pain after 3 weeks treatment.I have been working on the assumption that her lumbo-sacral joint is sprained and there may be some L5-S1 disc derangement. Is there anything I'm missing with the degenerative retrolisthesis? Am I correct that this should NOT be unstable with intact pars.Any help is appreciated, Brad Farra -- Schneider DC PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Your case brought a flashback to a simiiar case i had in my early years in practice. I was an associate of Dr. Bolin at the time. I had a similiar acute lower back case which did not respond with approximately 2 weeks of care. I was certain it was an L5 subluxation, therefore adjustments were performed to the 5th lumbar. I became frustrated as this patient would leave the office in tears after each visit. Finally, i took the patients x-rays into Dr. Bolin's office and asked for his opinion after discussing the patients findings. He looked at me and said " your on the right segment, but your not on the correct contact!" I looked back at the film and thought to myself " what difference does it make? There was hardly any rotation on vertebra in question, therefore my thought was just move the bone!" " Get a good crack as they say". I was scolded that day not to make things up, rather take the listing as it is! The patients listing after carefully scrutinizing the film was as L5 PRI-M. The only difference in the adjustment was a mammilary contact on the left side of the patients spine. Within one adjustment the next day, the patient shook my hand and thanked me from the bottom of his heart. I learned a valuable lesson that day about specificity! If i can be any more help please contact me anytime! P.S No Spam here Cha D.C bpfarra@...CC: From: portlandchiro1@...Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 22:18:39 -0800Subject: Re: a little help please Has patient received muscle treatments such as ART or TrPt care? Or old fashioned Gua Sha, Graston, etc. These would do wonders for sprain/strain injuries. Schneider DC On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Brad Farra <bpfarra@...> wrote: Hello everyone, I have a 35 year old female patient with acute onset low back pain following a session of exercise (body wight exercises like push-ups, sit ups, ect) 3 weeks ago. She is an extremely active and fit individual, triathlete and mountaineer, with no previous injury to the low back. Radiograph shows a short left leg by 8mm, minimal L5 retrolisthesis, mild L5-S1 disc narrowing with minimal L5-S1 spondylosis, Pars are intact. Flexion/extension studies showed no overt instability (although there wasn't much flexion due to severity of pain.) I have treated this patient for the past 3 weeks with little if any overall improvement. Interferential, acupuncture, and adjusting have provided only temporary relief. Sometimes the pain improves for days only to revert back with no real cause for the exacerbation. Flexion/distraction increases the pain, as does the stork test and any orthopedic test that moves the L/S joint. Neuro exam is normal and pain does not radiate past the sacral apex. I expected this patient to be in much less pain after 3 weeks treatment. I have been working on the assumption that her lumbo-sacral joint is sprained and there may be some L5-S1 disc derangement. Is there anything I'm missing with the degenerative retrolisthesis? Am I correct that this should NOT be unstable with intact pars. Any help is appreciated, Brad Farra -- Schneider DC PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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