Re: Study shows breastfeeding is healthier for mother and child

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks! You know how I talk tough, and then in the clinch I always

> doubt myself and then later get mad that I didn't speak up at the

> moment. I'm saving the earful for next visit.

>

> Did I mention that part of that is paranoia on my part (insert hearty

> laugh from Anita here) about skipping the vaccinations. I feel like,

> since I'm not doing those, that I've got to toe the line in other

> areas, or maybe she's going to keep a record of me as a negligent

> parent that could come back to bite me someday. Those stories printed

> about cps chill me to the bone. -Angie

Angie, you have done nothing wrong. You have rights and you have not

broken any law unless there is a law that sais that you have to

neglect your instinct as a mother...

Ingrid

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

Yeah, but you know...

By the way, I haven't gotten anything from you answering my original

question. Did it get lost in cyberspace? -angie

> Angie, you have done nothing wrong. You have rights and you have not

> broken any law unless there is a law that sais that you have to

> neglect your instinct as a mother...

> Ingrid

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm looking forward to it too. I think Ingrid is awaiting approval to join the

OT4VAX group and will most likely post it there......Anita :~)

Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote: >

Yeah, but you know...

By the way, I haven't gotten anything from you answering my original

question. Did it get lost in cyberspace? -angie

> Angie, you have done nothing wrong. You have rights and you have not

> broken any law unless there is a law that sais that you have to

> neglect your instinct as a mother...

> Ingrid

> >

[Guest guest]

Oh, that makes sense. No wonder she didn't respond when I posted on

that board about getting the anemia test in the first place. I thought

she was just MIA.

Hey, did you get a good laugh out of me saying I was being paranoid? I

thought you would. See, I gots a sense o' humor. ;-)

-Angie

On Sunday, February 18, 2007, at 01:15 PM, Anita Durney wrote:

> I'm looking forward to it too. I think Ingrid is awaiting approval to

> join the OT4VAX group and will most likely post it there......Anita > :~)

>

> Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote: >

> Yeah, but you know...

>

> By the way, I haven't gotten anything from you answering my original

> question. Did it get lost in cyberspace? -angie

>

> > Angie, you have done nothing wrong. You have rights and you have not

> > broken any law unless there is a law that sais that you have to

> > neglect your instinct as a mother...

> > Ingrid

> > >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I guess I did have a chuckle. But it's really not funny if you are having those

feelings. Please don't let anyone make you feel like you have to over compensate

in one area because you may be letting them down in another as if they are

keeping secret notes on your parenting competency. Am I talking about the right

thing with the peds office?

I remember having big ideas and being easily rattled when I had my first

child. It took many years and many mistakes before I could stand up on the spot,

not after the fact, for what I believed in and what my rights are as a parent. I

was still being bullyied even as recently as my youngest son Henry's birth.

Maybe if I didn't fall to fear, I could have spared him serious trauma and

unnecessary iv antibiotics right after his birth. No use going over that again.

What's done is done. The point is we should be learning as we go and there are

always going to be regrets throughout the process. You do your best to pick up

the pieces and just keep going.

Anita

Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote:

Oh, that makes sense. No wonder she didn't respond when I posted on

that board about getting the anemia test in the first place. I thought

she was just MIA.

Hey, did you get a good laugh out of me saying I was being paranoid? I

thought you would. See, I gots a sense o' humor. ;-)

-Angie

On Sunday, February 18, 2007, at 01:15 PM, Anita Durney wrote:

> I'm looking forward to it too. I think Ingrid is awaiting approval to

> join the OT4VAX group and will most likely post it there......Anita > :~)

>

> Totten wrote: >

> Yeah, but you know...

>

> By the way, I haven't gotten anything from you answering my original

> question. Did it get lost in cyberspace? -angie

>

> > Angie, you have done nothing wrong. You have rights and you have not

> > broken any law unless there is a law that sais that you have to

> > neglect your instinct as a mother...

> > Ingrid

> > >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Anita. Yeah, stuff with the ped office. What I think about is

that article I read in Readers Digest about the people who were falsely

accused of child abuse because their daughter had a bone disorder that

made her bones easy to break accidentally. One of the things mentioned

in the article IN FAVOR of the fact that they probably didn't actually

abuse their child was that " both parents had come to all the prenatal

OB visits " and that they hadn't missed one. That's spooky. What about

people who home birth and only see the midwife a couple of times before

the delivery?

I don't know. My husband and I have worked in cat rescue and one of the

things the rescue groups look at as evidence that someone is a good

potential adopter is (a) testimony from their vet about their care of

other pets and ( whether their current pets are up-to-date on all

their vaccinations. Well, since we're not planning to vax any of our

cats anymore, we'd probably actually have a hard time adopting a pet,

since, without going to the vet for vaxxes, we have little reason to

take them unless we suspect they are ill. Fortunately, we have too many

cats as it is (8), so no need to adopt more, but still. We don't look

like responsible animal caretakers.

So, I probably shouldn't be too paranoid, but I do feel very, very

cautious.

On Sunday, February 18, 2007, at 04:31 PM, Anita Durney wrote:

> I guess I did have a chuckle. But it's really not funny if you are

> having those feelings. Please don't let anyone make you feel like you

> have to over compensate in one area because you may be letting them

> down in another as if they are keeping secret notes on your parenting

> competency. Am I talking about the right thing with the peds office?

>

> I remember having big ideas and being easily rattled when I had my

> first child. It took many years and many mistakes before I could stand

> up on the spot, not after the fact, for what I believed in and what my

> rights are as a parent. I was still being bullyied even as recently as

> my youngest son Henry's birth. Maybe if I didn't fall to fear, I could

> have spared him serious trauma and unnecessary iv antibiotics right

> after his birth. No use going over that again. What's done is done.

Speaking of which... my son's first birthday is coming up. It was a

crappy c-section and a bad experience. Since the anniversary is coming

up, I'm starting to have flashbacks recently. Not cool.

Thanks again.

Angie

[Guest guest]

I happen to believe caution is a good thing. When the children are small and not

yet exposed to the watchful eyes of a school <gag>, I suppose it couldn't hurt

to see the ped a few times a year, especially if you like your ped; it can be an

enjoyable experience for both baby and mother.

I do the once a year physical routine with my boys (blood work included) and

the occassional visit if I'm suspicious about something. I like having the

opinion of our Homeopath as well as the opinion of our ped in certain

situations. For example, last August Henry had a suspicious swelling inside his

mouth, behind his cheek near the jaw. I was getting larger as the day

progressed; I became quite frightened. My husband and I took him to the ped that

night and started him on antibiotics. The Homeopath was very supportive of our

decision and also assisted in his recovery (probiotics etc) which was quick,

thank God. But most times, I use common sense to treat at home with the support

of our Homeopath and my dear husband.

Anita

Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote:

Thanks, Anita. Yeah, stuff with the ped office. What I think about is

that article I read in Readers Digest about the people who were falsely

accused of child abuse because their daughter had a bone disorder that

made her bones easy to break accidentally. One of the things mentioned

in the article IN FAVOR of the fact that they probably didn't actually

abuse their child was that " both parents had come to all the prenatal

OB visits " and that they hadn't missed one. That's spooky. What about

people who home birth and only see the midwife a couple of times before

the delivery?

I don't know. My husband and I have worked in cat rescue and one of the

things the rescue groups look at as evidence that someone is a good

potential adopter is (a) testimony from their vet about their care of

other pets and ( whether their current pets are up-to-date on all

their vaccinations. Well, since we're not planning to vax any of our

cats anymore, we'd probably actually have a hard time adopting a pet,

since, without going to the vet for vaxxes, we have little reason to

take them unless we suspect they are ill. Fortunately, we have too many

cats as it is (8), so no need to adopt more, but still. We don't look

like responsible animal caretakers.

So, I probably shouldn't be too paranoid, but I do feel very, very

cautious.

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[Guest guest]

This is why it is extremely important to find a doctor or other type of health

care provider who supports your beliefs and is educated about them. Someone who

is in line with your thinking and not someone who merely tolerates your

decisions. I realize that it is difficult, but not entirely impossible, it just

takes some work, but if your parenting and health beliefs are in sync, then you

don't need to worry about your doctor reporting you for exercising your parental

rights. I say it over and over again, YOU hire the doctor, not the other way

around. If YOU are unhappy with the care that they are providing then it is YOUR

right and responsibility to find someone who will. YOU are the boss.

I know how you feel with the animals. I used to foster and at the the adoption

shows, the vet records were one of the first things that we asked for. I

remember an old man who was trying to adopt a dog and they were not going to let

him because he said that he didn't take his dog to the vet and it lived to be

14, hello, that is great for a dog! We had a dog live that long and we ended up

needing to put him to sleep because he had bone cancer, which, coincidentally

began in his leg where he had gotten his shots for seven years! I was worried

about not being able to adopt again, but then when I thought it over, I realized

that the dogs that I have had just kind of found me. Not long after the one

died, we were surprised with a puppy from my mom.

As for the homebirthing parents, I had a homebirth with my second son and went

to MORE prenatal appointments that lasted longer than the ones I had with the

doctor during my first pregnancy. There was one as soon as I found out I was

pregnant, then one two weeks later, then once a month after that until the last

month, which was once a week, or something like that. Most of the other women I

know who have had homebirths have the same amount of visits.

Sara

---- Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote:

=============

Thanks, Anita. Yeah, stuff with the ped office. What I think about is

that article I read in Readers Digest about the people who were falsely

accused of child abuse because their daughter had a bone disorder that

made her bones easy to break accidentally. One of the things mentioned

in the article IN FAVOR of the fact that they probably didn't actually

abuse their child was that " both parents had come to all the prenatal

OB visits " and that they hadn't missed one. That's spooky. What about

people who home birth and only see the midwife a couple of times before

the delivery?

I don't know. My husband and I have worked in cat rescue and one of the

things the rescue groups look at as evidence that someone is a good

potential adopter is (a) testimony from their vet about their care of

other pets and ( whether their current pets are up-to-date on all

their vaccinations. Well, since we're not planning to vax any of our

cats anymore, we'd probably actually have a hard time adopting a pet,

since, without going to the vet for vaxxes, we have little reason to

take them unless we suspect they are ill. Fortunately, we have too many

cats as it is (8), so no need to adopt more, but still. We don't look

like responsible animal caretakers.

So, I probably shouldn't be too paranoid, but I do feel very, very

cautious.

On Sunday, February 18, 2007, at 04:31 PM, Anita Durney wrote:

> I guess I did have a chuckle. But it's really not funny if you are

> having those feelings. Please don't let anyone make you feel like you

> have to over compensate in one area because you may be letting them

> down in another as if they are keeping secret notes on your parenting

> competency. Am I talking about the right thing with the peds office?

>

> I remember having big ideas and being easily rattled when I had my

> first child. It took many years and many mistakes before I could stand

> up on the spot, not after the fact, for what I believed in and what my

> rights are as a parent. I was still being bullyied even as recently as

> my youngest son Henry's birth. Maybe if I didn't fall to fear, I could

> have spared him serious trauma and unnecessary iv antibiotics right

> after his birth. No use going over that again. What's done is done.

Speaking of which... my son's first birthday is coming up. It was a

crappy c-section and a bad experience. Since the anniversary is coming

up, I'm starting to have flashbacks recently. Not cool.

Thanks again.

Angie

[Guest guest]

On Sunday, February 18, 2007, at 05:30 PM, Anita Durney wrote:

> I happen to believe caution is a good thing. When the children are

> small and not yet exposed to the watchful eyes of a school <gag>, I

> suppose it couldn't hurt to see the ped a few times a year, especially

> if you like your ped; it can be an enjoyable experience for both baby

> and mother.

Yes, it was, until THIS happened. I enjoyed getting him weighed,

hearing her tell me how well he was doing and cute he was. I'm a mom, I

eat up that " your-baby-is-so-cute " stuff.

>

> I do the once a year physical routine with my boys (blood work

> included) and the occassional visit if I'm suspicious about something.

> I like having the opinion of our Homeopath as well as the opinion of

> our ped in certain situations. For example, last August Henry had a

> suspicious swelling inside his mouth, behind his cheek near the jaw. I

> was getting larger as the day progressed; I became quite frightened.

> My husband and I took him to the ped that night and started him on

> antibiotics. The Homeopath was very supportive of our decision and

> also assisted in his recovery (probiotics etc) which was quick, thank

> God. But most times, I use common sense to treat at home with the

> support of our Homeopath and my dear husband.

That's really interesting. I thought you did only homeopathy. Sounds

like you've found a good balance. -a

[Guest guest]

I have answered in some detail this question already, but if you need

more info, let me know on the OT4vax list, I am on it now.

Please feel free to email me in private too, Angie, as I don't know

what happened to that email I had sent, my mail server is not working

100% at the moment.

Ingrid

>

> >

> Yeah, but you know...

>

> By the way, I haven't gotten anything from you answering my original

> question. Did it get lost in cyberspace? -angie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you remember what you said? I don't have that email, I'm sorry. You

said you had a " lot to say " about my email.

I'd like to know what it was. Thanks! -Angie

On Monday, February 19, 2007, at 03:01 PM, ingrid5317 wrote:

> I have answered in some detail this question already, but if you need

> more info, let me know on the OT4vax list, I am on it now.

> Please feel free to email me in private too, Angie, as I don't know

> what happened to that email I had sent, my mail server is not working

> 100% at the moment.

>

> Ingrid

>

>

> >

> > >

> > Yeah, but you know...

> >

> > By the way, I haven't gotten anything from you answering my original

> > question. Did it get lost in cyberspace? -angie

> >

> >

>

>

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" At that point, I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have

the ability. " -Ron White

[Guest guest]

>

> Ingrid,

>

> Where have you been? I've needed you! You're not going to believe what

> my pediatrician told me at my son's sort-of 9-month visit. She's got a

> problem with him still being under on the charts, even though he was a

> PREEMIE (5 weeks early), and she hasn't had a problem with it thus far.

> She even acknowledged that many babies' weight dips a bit at this time

> relative to height because they are becoming much more active. But here

> she was, telling me that breastmilk wasn't meant to meet his

> nutritional needs at his age (his adjusted age is actually 10-almost-11

> months), and that he should be getting most of his calories and

> nutrition from solids. She told me to make sure I feed him solids

> 3x/day (we were doing 2x/day), and to cut back to nursing 3x during the

> day (she didn't care about night nursing). I've considered her a very

> good and laid-back ped thus far (she doesn't fuss about us not

> vaccinating, either... at least, not yet). But the more I think about

> it, the angrier I get.

>

> She also took a blood test and said he was slightly anemic. She wants

> to put him on an iron supplement and see him in a month. We had the

> Vitamin-K-like discussion about how wouldn't it be normal for babies at

> this stage to be slightly anemic since all babies go through the

> transition to solids and we've done just fine for thousands of years

> without iron supplements. Sadly, I don't remember her response, except

> that she sort of agreed but wanted to do the supplement anyway.

>

> The whole visit angered me. She gave me a hard time about being " late "

> for his 9-month visit, which annoyed me, because, as I understand it,

> the well-baby visits are scheduled based on vaccination schedule, and

> she knows we're not vaccinating. Maybe she was just having a bad day

> and taking it out on me, but I really felt she was questioning me about

> things she'd never had a problem with before. It gave me a weird

> feeling.

>

> So, anyway, what are your thoughts? Is there any harm in doing the iron

> supplement? The only reason I'm willing to do it is I understand that

> babies build up their iron stores in the womb, and, since he was 5

> weeks early, he didn't have time to built up as much. Also, as I've

> discussed before, his immune system isn't super duper, and maybe a

> lower iron level could be causing that? And he's a month or so slower

> than other babies his (adjusted) age at hitting his gross motor skill

> milestones, but so what?

>

> Thanks, Angie

>

I got the same info from my ped around DDs 9mth check up. I did not

give a supplement. I just made sure I gave her more spinach and other

foods with iron in them. Specifically spinach as that has always been

her fav! I personally am not a big supplement fan b/c all of our

fruits and veggies have what we need in them so why not just feed the

natural foods to get the outcome you are looking for. You DC will do

much better in the end. JMHO. HTH good luck!