Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 > > Not exactly news, but.... Yeah, I agree Sue, I gues it will be of interest to those people that don't know about brf like new, pregnant women and their partners, like my brother and sister in law. Now, wouldn't it be good if they would do the same with vaccines, warn people and tell them the truth? > > http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=244892007 > > Study shows breastfeeding is healthier for mother and child > RHIANNON EDWARD > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 This type of wisdom has been handed down in my family for generations. Unfortunately, many people need to hear this way before it starts to make sense...Anita ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote: > > Not exactly news, but.... Yeah, I agree Sue, I gues it will be of interest to those people that don't know about brf like new, pregnant women and their partners, like my brother and sister in law. Now, wouldn't it be good if they would do the same with vaccines, warn people and tell them the truth? > > http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=244892007 > > Study shows breastfeeding is healthier for mother and child > RHIANNON EDWARD > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Hello, In my home we breast feed but we are running low on supply... cant keep up with demand. My dd is 3 months old now. We are going to have to add formula (or something else) to keep our little one fed. So my question is what options for food exist? Should I just get formula or is there like a home-made formula we can make for her? I'm sure our ancestors had these supply and demand issues and did not have formula... wonder what they did. thanks jose > > Not exactly news, but.... > > http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=244892007 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I would highly recommend the Weston Price Formula that uses raw milk. Search for it on www.westonprice.org <http://www.westonprice.org/> . C _____ From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf Of jmartine_1026 Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 4:13 PM Vaccinations Subject: Re: Study shows breastfeeding is healthier for mother and child Hello, In my home we breast feed but we are running low on supply... cant keep up with demand. My dd is 3 months old now. We are going to have to add formula (or something else) to keep our little one fed. So my question is what options for food exist? Should I just get formula or is there like a home-made formula we can make for her? I'm sure our ancestors had these supply and demand issues and did not have formula... wonder what they did. thanks jose > > Not exactly news, but.... > > http://news. <http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=244892007> scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=244892007 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 , why do you perceive your supply to be low? Are you feeding on demand when your baby wishes? If breastfeeding has been going successfully up until now, there is no reason why you should have to switch to formula. There is no good age to transfer a baby to formula milk - none of them are going to be anywhere near as good as breastmilk and both cows' milk formula and soya formula - and gpats' and sheeps' or whaterver - have their own potential risks. If your nursing has been going well until now, there must be a reason why your supply isn't meeting her demands (btw, three months is a huge growth spurt time, and babies do demand a *lot* of milk at this time) and you would be far better off finding out why than just making the switch. There are several breastfeeding supporters/counsellors on this list that I know of (I'm a former counsellor) so please don't give up yet - and supplementing is not a lot better than giving up. Mail me off-line if you wish. Love, light and peace, Sue p.s. Breastfeeders historically would have used a surrogate wet nurse if they really couldn't breastfeed, but *poor supply* is very much a modern concept. > Hello, > > In my home we breast feed but we are running low on supply... cant > keep up with demand. My dd is 3 months old now. We are going to have > to add formula (or something else) to keep our little one fed. > > So my question is what options for food exist? Should I just get > formula or is there like a home-made formula we can make for her? I'm > sure our ancestors had these supply and demand issues and did not have > formula... wonder what they did. > > thanks > jose > > > > > > Not exactly news, but.... > > > > http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=244892007 >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Hi , don't give up on brf, your baby is probably only going through her 3 months growth spurt and this explains the more frequent feeds. Just feed her as often as she needs to feed and your supply will adjust to her demand. Any formula now at this critical age, even natural, will only make the problem worse as she will stay full longer from the formula and be less interested in your milk, which means less milk will be produced and before you know it, she is weaned. Please hang in there, I know it is hard going when they feed nearly constantly, but it will pass and you will be so glad you did. You are doing great, just keep going!!! She will be so much healthier if you carry on and so will you! You are right, our ancestors never ever had supply and demad problem simply because there was nothing and nobody that interfered with brf. These days it is so easy for mums to follow the wrong advice from friends and relatives, but you really don't need any formula. It is not what a human baby is designed to eat! Look here for some extra info on this: http://www.kellymom.com/bf/normal/growth-spurt.html http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/milk/infant-formula.html Ingrid > > > > Not exactly news, but.... > > > > http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=244892007 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 > > I would highly recommend the Weston Price Formula that uses raw milk. > Search for it on www.westonprice.org <http://www.westonprice.org/> . > > I would really, really only give this as the very, very last resort. Please, please don't get fooled into thinking that this is as good as human milk. Most brf problems can be resolved with the right kind of support and information, just like vaccination, inform yourself and get the right kind of help. A good brf support group is great for this, let me know if you need contact details locally, I can help! Ingrid > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 YEs, Sue, I second that. Ingrid > > , why do you perceive your supply to be low? Are you feeding on demand > when your baby wishes? If breastfeeding has been going successfully up > until now, there is no reason why you should have to switch to formula. > There is no good age to transfer a baby to formula milk - none of them are > going to be anywhere near as good as breastmilk and both cows' milk formula > and soya formula - and gpats' and sheeps' or whaterver - have their own > potential risks. > > If your nursing has been going well until now, there must be a reason why > your supply isn't meeting her demands (btw, three months is a huge growth > spurt time, and babies do demand a *lot* of milk at this time) and you would > be far better off finding out why than just making the switch. > > There are several breastfeeding supporters/counsellors on this list that I > know of (I'm a former counsellor) so please don't give up yet - and > supplementing is not a lot better than giving up. > Mail me off-line if you wish. > > Love, light and peace, > > Sue > > p.s. Breastfeeders historically would have used a surrogate wet nurse if > they really couldn't breastfeed, but *poor supply* is very much a modern > concept. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 The only real way to increase your supply is to nurse more often. If it seems that your baby is not getting enough, try to nurse more or pump. If you give formula, you will not be getting the message to your body to produce more milk, so you will actually be making things worse. So if at all possible, do not introduce formula or any other breast substitute. Nurse or pump as much as possible till you get your supply up. If you have further questions about this, there are many knowledgeable people on this group that can help you. I am sending you words of encouragement to help you through this. Breastmilk is so very important and that is why we are all encouraging you to not introduce anything besides breastmilk, it will change the gut flora and your baby will not be quite as protected. Tara > > Hi , > don't give up on brf, your baby is probably only going through her 3 > months growth spurt and this explains the more frequent feeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 are you nursing on cue? are you using any artifical nipples? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Hi , you may very well not have the supply problem you think you do, but if you start supplementing with formula, that can cause a real supply problem, and begin the downhill slide that ends breastfeeding way before you wanted to. Before you decide to supplement, I would recommend finding a lactation consultant in your area who is an IBCLC - search for one here: http://gotwww.net/ilca/ A consultation with an IBCLC will cost something but it will be cheaper than 9 months of formula ! Or at least contact a LLL leader - search for one here: http://www.lalecheleague.org/webindex.html There are also many good for assistance with breastfeeding where you can ask specific questions and get online help and support from other moms, and LLL has an online forum as well. Many mothers think they have a supply problem but really they do not - their baby is just having a growth spurt, and it is perfectly normal for a baby to want to nurse non-stop for many days in a row and seem extra-hungry. This is nature's way of telling your body to kick the milk supply up another notch so you can meet the demands for a larger child. The best thing to do is to keep yourself well-fed and well-hydrated, include some healthy fats and some oatmeal in your diet, and nurse the baby as often and as long as she wants to. Formula is artificial, expensive, and nowhere close to being a replacement for breastmilk. B. > > Hello, > > In my home we breast feed but we are running low on supply... cant > keep up with demand. My dd is 3 months old now. We are going to have > to add formula (or something else) to keep our little one fed. > > So my question is what options for food exist? Should I just get > formula or is there like a home-made formula we can make for her? I'm > sure our ancestors had these supply and demand issues and did not have > formula... wonder what they did. > > thanks > jose > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 I second EVERYONES words of encouragement here to only bf!!!!!!! I learned the HARD way and regret ever giving my dd a bottle of formula. When my dd was just 4 mo old I started to give her 1 bottle a day cuz I " felt " like she wasn't getting enough BM. That 1 bottle turned to 2 and then to 3 and before I knew it, I was dried up! I was soo sad about that happening. I never knew that bf is a supply/demand thing. I was so desperate to re-astablish my supply so that I could continue bf my dd. I did alot of research and learned so much about it and if you have supply issues, then there are herbs you can take to help!!!! I bought a double medela breast pump and I was only able to get 1/4 oz ever couple hours!!! So I ordered this lactation tea that has alfalfa and fenugreek and a bunch of other stuff and after drinking my first cup of it, I have full breast's within an hour! I was soo excited!! In the end, I made more work for me but at least I learned and hope to do better next time! Alana is 8mo now and we are just about back to only nursing. I have to buy a sns supplementor to use so that dd gets a constant flow. And another thing, your baby will get used to the fast flow of a bottle and will refuse your breast when nothing comes out! Do your BEST to avoid bottles! It was my worst mistake ever!!!! >From: " Tara Maue " <orrin_reilly@...> >Reply-Vaccinations >Vaccinations >Subject: Re: Study shows breastfeeding is healthier for >mother and child >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:15:20 -0000 > >The only real way to increase your supply is to nurse more often. If >it seems that your baby is not getting enough, try to nurse more or >pump. If you give formula, you will not be getting the message to >your body to produce more milk, so you will actually be making things >worse. So if at all possible, do not introduce formula or any other >breast substitute. Nurse or pump as much as possible till you get >your supply up. If you have further questions about this, there are >many knowledgeable people on this group that can help you. I am >sending you words of encouragement to help you through this. > >Breastmilk is so very important and that is why we are all encouraging >you to not introduce anything besides breastmilk, it will change the >gut flora and your baby will not be quite as protected. > >Tara > > > > > > Hi , > > don't give up on brf, your baby is probably only going through her 3 > > months growth spurt and this explains the more frequent feeds. > > _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices you’ll love. Compare products and save at MSN® Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102 & tcode=T001MSN20A07\ 01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 One more thing.. I have heard that a GREAT way to build your supply is to take baby to bed with you for a couple days and just let baby nurse, nurse, nurse..all through the night too!! The best thing to do is read as much as you can on the topic. Just google " low breastmilk supply " . You will find some great info on the topic! And you can do it without giving formula! Sorry for the goofs, I'm in a hurry! >From: " wright " <melissa-wright@...> >Reply-Vaccinations >Vaccinations >Subject: RE: Re: Study shows breastfeeding is healthier for >mother and child >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:50:25 -0800 > >I second EVERYONES words of encouragement here to only bf!!!!!!! I learned >the HARD way and regret ever giving my dd a bottle of formula. When my dd >was just 4 mo old I started to give her 1 bottle a day cuz I " felt " like >she >wasn't getting enough BM. That 1 bottle turned to 2 and then to 3 and >before >I knew it, I was dried up! I was soo sad about that happening. I never knew >that bf is a supply/demand thing. I was so desperate to re-astablish my >supply so that I could continue bf my dd. I did alot of research and >learned >so much about it and if you have supply issues, then there are herbs you >can >take to help!!!! I bought a double medela breast pump and I was only able >to >get 1/4 oz ever couple hours!!! So I ordered this lactation tea that has >alfalfa and fenugreek and a bunch of other stuff and after drinking my >first >cup of it, I have full breast's within an hour! I was soo excited!! In the >end, I made more work for me but at least I learned and hope to do better >next time! Alana is 8mo now and we are just about back to only nursing. I >have to buy a sns supplementor to use so that dd gets a constant flow. And >another thing, your baby will get used to the fast flow of a bottle and >will >refuse your breast when nothing comes out! Do your BEST to avoid bottles! >It >was my worst mistake ever!!!! > > > >From: " Tara Maue " <orrin_reilly@...> > >Reply-Vaccinations > >Vaccinations > >Subject: Re: Study shows breastfeeding is healthier for > >mother and child > >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:15:20 -0000 > > > >The only real way to increase your supply is to nurse more often. If > >it seems that your baby is not getting enough, try to nurse more or > >pump. If you give formula, you will not be getting the message to > >your body to produce more milk, so you will actually be making things > >worse. So if at all possible, do not introduce formula or any other > >breast substitute. Nurse or pump as much as possible till you get > >your supply up. If you have further questions about this, there are > >many knowledgeable people on this group that can help you. I am > >sending you words of encouragement to help you through this. > > > >Breastmilk is so very important and that is why we are all encouraging > >you to not introduce anything besides breastmilk, it will change the > >gut flora and your baby will not be quite as protected. > > > >Tara > > > > > > > > > > Hi , > > > don't give up on brf, your baby is probably only going through her 3 > > > months growth spurt and this explains the more frequent feeds. > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Find what you need at prices you’ll love. Compare products and save at MSN® >Shopping. >http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102 & tcode=T001MSN20A0\ 701 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Ingrid, Where have you been? I've needed you! You're not going to believe what my pediatrician told me at my son's sort-of 9-month visit. She's got a problem with him still being under on the charts, even though he was a PREEMIE (5 weeks early), and she hasn't had a problem with it thus far. She even acknowledged that many babies' weight dips a bit at this time relative to height because they are becoming much more active. But here she was, telling me that breastmilk wasn't meant to meet his nutritional needs at his age (his adjusted age is actually 10-almost-11 months), and that he should be getting most of his calories and nutrition from solids. She told me to make sure I feed him solids 3x/day (we were doing 2x/day), and to cut back to nursing 3x during the day (she didn't care about night nursing). I've considered her a very good and laid-back ped thus far (she doesn't fuss about us not vaccinating, either... at least, not yet). But the more I think about it, the angrier I get. She also took a blood test and said he was slightly anemic. She wants to put him on an iron supplement and see him in a month. We had the Vitamin-K-like discussion about how wouldn't it be normal for babies at this stage to be slightly anemic since all babies go through the transition to solids and we've done just fine for thousands of years without iron supplements. Sadly, I don't remember her response, except that she sort of agreed but wanted to do the supplement anyway. The whole visit angered me. She gave me a hard time about being " late " for his 9-month visit, which annoyed me, because, as I understand it, the well-baby visits are scheduled based on vaccination schedule, and she knows we're not vaccinating. Maybe she was just having a bad day and taking it out on me, but I really felt she was questioning me about things she'd never had a problem with before. It gave me a weird feeling. So, anyway, what are your thoughts? Is there any harm in doing the iron supplement? The only reason I'm willing to do it is I understand that babies build up their iron stores in the womb, and, since he was 5 weeks early, he didn't have time to built up as much. Also, as I've discussed before, his immune system isn't super duper, and maybe a lower iron level could be causing that? And he's a month or so slower than other babies his (adjusted) age at hitting his gross motor skill milestones, but so what? Thanks, Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Everyone thank you for the wonderful feedback. I have a couple of links to read through now. Here is a little background info on our situation. We been pumping since just about birth. We feed her from the bottle. The extra milk gets stored. Over the last 2 - 3 weeks our stored supplied has been dwindling. We used to have 2 days worth of extra milk. Now we don't have enough to keep up with her needs... meaning our pumping is not keeping up with her demand. Only now we are starting to contemplate nursing directly, versus pumping. My gf is pumping every 1 - 2 hours while she is home and awake. When she is working (9-5) she only pumps 3 times. We do not want to do formula and not pump... we are in fact pumping more now that we find ourselves having to do formula. The dd has been drinking the same amount of milk over this time period. My gf just bought fenugreek yesterday (going to look into the lactation tea). I don't think she likes cow milk, since my gf stopped dairy our dd's gas problems went away. I actually wanted to make some home made vegtable juice with different veggies for my dd, but my concern with this is digestion and not enough protein and carbs. I know that hundreds of years ago when BM was low, they did not turn to formula. Does anyone know what people did back then??? thanks jose > > > > > > Not exactly news, but.... > > > > > > http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=244892007 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Well done, Tara. The right kind of support and info is crucial. Ingrid > > The only real way to increase your supply is to nurse more often. If > it seems that your baby is not getting enough, try to nurse more or > pump. If you give formula, you will not be getting the message to > your body to produce more milk, so you will actually be making things > worse. So if at all possible, do not introduce formula or any other > breast substitute. Nurse or pump as much as possible till you get > your supply up. If you have further questions about this, there are > many knowledgeable people on this group that can help you. I am > sending you words of encouragement to help you through this. > > Breastmilk is so very important and that is why we are all encouraging > you to not introduce anything besides breastmilk, it will change the > gut flora and your baby will not be quite as protected. > > Tara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Hi , well done for learning about brf, it is so important. Mums need to support each other in this. It is absolutely true that one bottle can ruin brf, so you did very well to get back to excl. brf. Keep up the great work! Ingrid > > I second EVERYONES words of encouragement here to only bf!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 , I'm sorry for being both nosey and ignorant here, but is there some special reason why your babe wasn't fed at the breast from birth? If you've been relying on pumping for exclusive breastfeeding then I'm not as surprised that supply is dwindling. It is by no means impossible to maintain supply by pumping alone, even when you have to be at work, but it is challenging, to say the least. You feel as though you're attached to the pump! By all means look at the fenugreek - it does work wonders for some mums - but if your baby can be fed at the breast for the times that your gf isn't working, it will boost supply no end. Perhaps consider co-sleeping if you are not already, so that your daughter has easy access to milk all night without too much disturbance for your gf, and offer the breast at every available opportunity, as stimulation by the baby is far superior for milk production than pumping alone. Many babies whose mums return to work at an early stage do fine with three pumpings a day where other feeds are at the breast - they almost seem to adjust themselves to compensate for the fact that mum is not there. If you can see a lactation consultant, that'd be great, but do try and get your gf to feed directly at the breast if at all possible, and I think she will find her supply improved. Do bear in mind what so many of us have said about a growth spurt at this age too. Her demand may settle down a bit soon. HTH. Love, light and peac,e Sue > > > Everyone thank you for the wonderful feedback. I have a couple of > links to read through now. Here is a little background info on our > situation. > > We been pumping since just about birth. We feed her from the bottle. > The extra milk gets stored. Over the last 2 - 3 weeks our stored > supplied has been dwindling. We used to have 2 days worth of extra > milk. Now we don't have enough to keep up with her needs... meaning > our pumping is not keeping up with her demand. Only now we are > starting to contemplate nursing directly, versus pumping. My gf is > pumping every 1 - 2 hours while she is home and awake. When she is > working (9-5) she only pumps 3 times. We do not want to do formula > and not pump... we are in fact pumping more now that we find ourselves > having to do formula. The dd has been drinking the same amount of > milk over this time period. > > My gf just bought fenugreek yesterday (going to look into the > lactation tea). I don't think she likes cow milk, since my gf stopped > dairy our dd's gas problems went away. > > I actually wanted to make some home made vegtable juice with different > veggies for my dd, but my concern with this is digestion and not > enough protein and carbs. I know that hundreds of years ago when BM > was low, they did not turn to formula. Does anyone know what people > did back then??? > > thanks > jose > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not exactly news, but.... > > > > > > > > http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=244892007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Hi , I see that Sue has already given you some excellent wonderful advice. I just wanted to answer your 2 questions at the end there. In those days before formula (oh, how I wish they would come back and formula will be reserved for only those extremely rare cases when a mum can't brf), all babies/children were brf for many years, the average was about 4 1/2 years or even longer. They started solids aroung about 6 months, when naturally a baby is ready for solids, as they start growing teeth, an indication that they can start th chew. They also start to sit up, hold pieces of food in their hands and the gagging reflex goes away. But every baby is different and many babies are not ready for solids even after 6 months and breastmilk alone can fullfill all their nutritional needs for about a year. So, back then there was no pumps or bottles or feeding schedules or cribs or any other separation between mother and baby. Instead they had slings/cloths for their babies to carry them around and the baby was thus able to go to the breast whenever she wanted.This is how brf is designed to work, with baby directing and guiding the demand, not a clock or a calendar. Babies have not read any of the parenting books or can't read a calendar or a clock, all they know is that they need frequent access to food ( the baby's brain and body grow extremely fast during the first year and need lots of milk for this), sleep and cuddles which they all get if close to mum. Nature has designed us humans as contact species, not non contact species, it is only adults that think babies need to become independent and separate before they are ready. Breastfeeding is supposed to fit in harmoniously with this nurturing process and a mother's instinct, if not squashed by well meaning friends and relatives, will always keep her right. Try and use some of the suggestions Sue and others gave you, and hopefully you can go back to excl. brf.from the breast. Here is the LLL website for local LLL contacts for your area for support groups and help: http://www.lalecheleague.org/WebUS.html All the best, Ingrid > > , I'm sorry for being both nosey and ignorant here, but is there some > special reason why your babe wasn't fed at the breast from birth? If you've > been relying on pumping for exclusive breastfeeding then I'm not as > surprised that supply is dwindling. It is by no means impossible to > maintain supply by pumping alone, even when you have to be at work, but it > is challenging, to say the least. You feel as though you're attached to > the pump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Hi Angie, I will reply to this of list as it would be a bit too OT with all I have got to say for this particular case. Ingrid > > Ingrid, > > Where have you been? I've needed you! You're not going to believe what > my pediatrician told me at my son's sort-of 9-month visit. She's got a > problem with him still being under on the charts, even though he was a > PREEMIE (5 weeks early), and she hasn't had a problem with it thus far. > She even acknowledged that many babies' weight dips a bit at this time > relative to height because they are becoming much more active. But here > she was, telling me that breastmilk wasn't meant to meet his > nutritional needs at his age (his adjusted age is actually 10-almost-11 > months), and that he should be getting most of his calories and > nutrition from solids. She told me to make sure I feed him solids > 3x/day (we were doing 2x/day), and to cut back to nursing 3x during the > day (she didn't care about night nursing). I've considered her a very > good and laid-back ped thus far (she doesn't fuss about us not > vaccinating, either... at least, not yet). But the more I think about > it, the angrier I get. > > She also took a blood test and said he was slightly anemic. She wants > to put him on an iron supplement and see him in a month. We had the > Vitamin-K-like discussion about how wouldn't it be normal for babies at > this stage to be slightly anemic since all babies go through the > transition to solids and we've done just fine for thousands of years > without iron supplements. Sadly, I don't remember her response, except > that she sort of agreed but wanted to do the supplement anyway. > > The whole visit angered me. She gave me a hard time about being " late " > for his 9-month visit, which annoyed me, because, as I understand it, > the well-baby visits are scheduled based on vaccination schedule, and > she knows we're not vaccinating. Maybe she was just having a bad day > and taking it out on me, but I really felt she was questioning me about > things she'd never had a problem with before. It gave me a weird > feeling. > > So, anyway, what are your thoughts? Is there any harm in doing the iron > supplement? The only reason I'm willing to do it is I understand that > babies build up their iron stores in the womb, and, since he was 5 > weeks early, he didn't have time to built up as much. Also, as I've > discussed before, his immune system isn't super duper, and maybe a > lower iron level could be causing that? And he's a month or so slower > than other babies his (adjusted) age at hitting his gross motor skill > milestones, but so what? > > Thanks, Angie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Hi Angie, I will reply to this of list as it would be a bit too OT with all I have got to say for this particular case. Ingrid > > Ingrid, > > Where have you been? I've needed you! You're not going to believe what > my pediatrician told me at my son's sort-of 9-month visit. She's got a > problem with him still being under on the charts, even though he was a > PREEMIE (5 weeks early), and she hasn't had a problem with it thus far. > She even acknowledged that many babies' weight dips a bit at this time > relative to height because they are becoming much more active. But here > she was, telling me that breastmilk wasn't meant to meet his > nutritional needs at his age (his adjusted age is actually 10-almost-11 > months), and that he should be getting most of his calories and > nutrition from solids. She told me to make sure I feed him solids > 3x/day (we were doing 2x/day), and to cut back to nursing 3x during the > day (she didn't care about night nursing). I've considered her a very > good and laid-back ped thus far (she doesn't fuss about us not > vaccinating, either... at least, not yet). But the more I think about > it, the angrier I get. > > She also took a blood test and said he was slightly anemic. She wants > to put him on an iron supplement and see him in a month. We had the > Vitamin-K-like discussion about how wouldn't it be normal for babies at > this stage to be slightly anemic since all babies go through the > transition to solids and we've done just fine for thousands of years > without iron supplements. Sadly, I don't remember her response, except > that she sort of agreed but wanted to do the supplement anyway. > > The whole visit angered me. She gave me a hard time about being " late " > for his 9-month visit, which annoyed me, because, as I understand it, > the well-baby visits are scheduled based on vaccination schedule, and > she knows we're not vaccinating. Maybe she was just having a bad day > and taking it out on me, but I really felt she was questioning me about > things she'd never had a problem with before. It gave me a weird > feeling. > > So, anyway, what are your thoughts? Is there any harm in doing the iron > supplement? The only reason I'm willing to do it is I understand that > babies build up their iron stores in the womb, and, since he was 5 > weeks early, he didn't have time to built up as much. Also, as I've > discussed before, his immune system isn't super duper, and maybe a > lower iron level could be causing that? And he's a month or so slower > than other babies his (adjusted) age at hitting his gross motor skill > milestones, but so what? > > Thanks, Angie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Oh Angie, I hope you let her have an earful. You just keep doing what you're doing!! Ingrid, I'm sure some of us would like to hear your advice. Maybe move it over to OT group? Thanks, Sheri B. ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote: Hi Angie, I will reply to this of list as it would be a bit too OT with all I have got to say for this particular case. Ingrid > > Ingrid, > > Where have you been? I've needed you! You're not going to believe what > my pediatrician told me at my son's sort-of 9-month visit. She's got a > problem with him still being under on the charts, even though he was a > PREEMIE (5 weeks early), and she hasn't had a problem with it thus far. > She even acknowledged that many babies' weight dips a bit at this time > relative to height because they are becoming much more active. But here > she was, telling me that breastmilk wasn't meant to meet his > nutritional needs at his age (his adjusted age is actually 10-almost-11 > months), and that he should be getting most of his calories and > nutrition from solids. She told me to make sure I feed him solids > 3x/day (we were doing 2x/day), and to cut back to nursing 3x during the > day (she didn't care about night nursing). I've considered her a very > good and laid-back ped thus far (she doesn't fuss about us not > vaccinating, either... at least, not yet). But the more I think about > it, the angrier I get. > > She also took a blood test and said he was slightly anemic. She wants > to put him on an iron supplement and see him in a month. We had the > Vitamin-K-like discussion about how wouldn't it be normal for babies at > this stage to be slightly anemic since all babies go through the > transition to solids and we've done just fine for thousands of years > without iron supplements. Sadly, I don't remember her response, except > that she sort of agreed but wanted to do the supplement anyway. > > The whole visit angered me. She gave me a hard time about being " late " > for his 9-month visit, which annoyed me, because, as I understand it, > the well-baby visits are scheduled based on vaccination schedule, and > she knows we're not vaccinating. Maybe she was just having a bad day > and taking it out on me, but I really felt she was questioning me about > things she'd never had a problem with before. It gave me a weird > feeling. > > So, anyway, what are your thoughts? Is there any harm in doing the iron > supplement? The only reason I'm willing to do it is I understand that > babies build up their iron stores in the womb, and, since he was 5 > weeks early, he didn't have time to built up as much. Also, as I've > discussed before, his immune system isn't super duper, and maybe a > lower iron level could be causing that? And he's a month or so slower > than other babies his (adjusted) age at hitting his gross motor skill > milestones, but so what? > > Thanks, Angie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Brilliant, Ingrid. I agree 1000% -Angie On Saturday, February 17, 2007, at 11:47 AM, ingrid5317 wrote: > Hi , > I see that Sue has already given you some excellent wonderful advice. > I just wanted to answer your 2 questions at the end there. > In those days before formula (oh, how I wish they would come back and > formula will be reserved for only those extremely rare cases when a > mum can't brf), all babies/children were brf for many years, the > average was about 4 1/2 years or even longer. They started solids > aroung about 6 months, when naturally a baby is ready for solids, as > they start growing teeth, an indication that they can start th chew. > They also start to sit up, hold pieces of food in their hands and the > gagging reflex goes away. But every baby is different and many babies > are not ready for solids even after 6 months and breastmilk alone can > fullfill all their nutritional needs for about a year. > So, back then there was no pumps or bottles or feeding schedules or > cribs or any other separation between mother and baby. Instead they > had slings/cloths for their babies to carry them around and the baby > was thus able to go to the breast whenever she wanted.This is how brf > is designed to work, with baby directing and guiding the demand, not a > clock or a calendar. Babies have not read any of the parenting books > or can't read a calendar or a clock, all they know is that they need > frequent access to food ( the baby's brain and body grow extremely > fast during the first year and need lots of milk for this), sleep and > cuddles which they all get if close to mum. > Nature has designed us humans as contact species, not non contact > species, it is only adults that think babies need to become > independent and separate before they are ready. > Breastfeeding is supposed to fit in harmoniously with this nurturing > process and a mother's instinct, if not squashed by well meaning > friends and relatives, will always keep her right. > > Try and use some of the suggestions Sue and others gave you, and > hopefully you can go back to excl. brf.from the breast. > Here is the LLL website for local LLL contacts for your area for > support groups and help: > http://www.lalecheleague.org/WebUS.html > All the best, > Ingrid > > > > > > , I'm sorry for being both nosey and ignorant here, but is there > some > > special reason why your babe wasn't fed at the breast from birth? > If you've > > been relying on pumping for exclusive breastfeeding then I'm not as > > surprised that supply is dwindling. It is by no means impossible to > > maintain supply by pumping alone, even when you have to be at work, > but it > > is challenging, to say the least. You feel as though you're > attached to > > the pump! > > ********** " At that point, I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have the ability. " -Ron White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Thanks! You know how I talk tough, and then in the clinch I always doubt myself and then later get mad that I didn't speak up at the moment. I'm saving the earful for next visit. Did I mention that part of that is paranoia on my part (insert hearty laugh from Anita here) about skipping the vaccinations. I feel like, since I'm not doing those, that I've got to toe the line in other areas, or maybe she's going to keep a record of me as a negligent parent that could come back to bite me someday. Those stories printed about cps chill me to the bone. -Angie On Saturday, February 17, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Sheri B. wrote: > Oh Angie, I hope you let her have an earful. You just keep doing what > you're doing!! Ingrid, I'm sure some of us would like to hear your > advice. Maybe move it over to OT group? > Thanks, > Sheri B. > > ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote: > Hi Angie, > I will reply to this of list as it would be a bit too OT with all I > have got to say for this particular case. > Ingrid > > > > > > Ingrid, > > > > Where have you been? I've needed you! You're not going to believe > what > > my pediatrician told me at my son's sort-of 9-month visit. She's got > a > > problem with him still being under on the charts, even though he was > a > > PREEMIE (5 weeks early), and she hasn't had a problem with it thus > far. > > She even acknowledged that many babies' weight dips a bit at this > time > > relative to height because they are becoming much more active. But > here > > she was, telling me that breastmilk wasn't meant to meet his > > nutritional needs at his age (his adjusted age is actually > 10-almost-11 > > months), and that he should be getting most of his calories and > > nutrition from solids. She told me to make sure I feed him solids > > 3x/day (we were doing 2x/day), and to cut back to nursing 3x during > the > > day (she didn't care about night nursing). I've considered her a very > > good and laid-back ped thus far (she doesn't fuss about us not > > vaccinating, either... at least, not yet). But the more I think about > > it, the angrier I get. > > > > She also took a blood test and said he was slightly anemic. She wants > > to put him on an iron supplement and see him in a month. We had the > > Vitamin-K-like discussion about how wouldn't it be normal for babies > at > > this stage to be slightly anemic since all babies go through the > > transition to solids and we've done just fine for thousands of years > > without iron supplements. Sadly, I don't remember her response, > except > > that she sort of agreed but wanted to do the supplement anyway. > > > > The whole visit angered me. She gave me a hard time about being > " late " > > for his 9-month visit, which annoyed me, because, as I understand it, > > the well-baby visits are scheduled based on vaccination schedule, and > > she knows we're not vaccinating. Maybe she was just having a bad day > > and taking it out on me, but I really felt she was questioning me > about > > things she'd never had a problem with before. It gave me a weird > > feeling. > > > > So, anyway, what are your thoughts? Is there any harm in doing the > iron > > supplement? The only reason I'm willing to do it is I understand that > > babies build up their iron stores in the womb, and, since he was 5 > > weeks early, he didn't have time to built up as much. Also, as I've > > discussed before, his immune system isn't super duper, and maybe a > > lower iron level could be causing that? And he's a month or so slower > > than other babies his (adjusted) age at hitting his gross motor skill > > milestones, but so what? > > > > Thanks, Angie > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 > > Oh Angie, I hope you let her have an earful. You just keep doing what you're doing!! Ingrid, I'm sure some of us would like to hear your advice. Maybe move it over to OT group? > Thanks, > Sheri B. Hi Sheri and others, I have just joined the OT4VAX list and am waiting for approval. Anyway, just quickly to let everyone know what I would do in this kind of situation: I would check my baby's level of allertness, her skin tone, her general wellbeing and development. If they are all satisfactory, then I would also check the colour under her lower eyelids. If this is nice and pink, not pale, than the iron should be fine. We do have to be careful with iron but many iron tests are not accurate and you could get a different reading the next time one is done. I would also give extra iron rich foods with extra vit c, like molasses, live, red meat, dark green leafy veg. The vit c will help the body absorb the iron. Breastmilk is low in iron but it is much better absorbed than the iron in formula. The reason for low iron in breastmilk is to help prevent infection from dangerous pathogens in the digestive system, who love iron. So, you see, nature is clever and more iron is not necessarily better. For those that are interested, here is more information: http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/vitamins/iron.html Ingrid > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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