RE: OT: acid reflux disease (GERD)

[Guest guest]

Are you breastfeeding your baby? It is frightening that they are prescribing

drugs for one so young. Did you happen to find out what the possible

side-effects of Losec are? Your baby is wise to reject this foreign, toxic

substance. A good homeopath can help if you're willing to try. Sheri Nakken (the

listowner) can lead you in the right direction...Anita

Malia <I_AM_MALIA@...> wrote: I know this has nothing to do with

vaxing, but I was hoping you could

help me out.

Our little Lily is 6 months old and is still extremely fussy and

cranky. We suspect GERD, but are not sure. So we decided to fill the

prescription for Losec and see if it would help. She won't take it. And

I'm not sure how hard I want to try and force her.

I am just not comfortable giving her a drug that virtually shuts down

her acid production, especially if she doesn't have GERD...that can't

be good for her!!!!!

So, I have noticed that you (the group) are more into natural healing

etc and thought you may have some suggestions for me. I apologize if

this is too off topic, but I am desperate to help my baby....

thanks so much,

malia

[Guest guest]

HI Malia

I would say congrats to your daughter for not taking the pills! You don't

want to put toxins in her body. I know it is hard for you to see her like

that though. My daughter was fussy and spat everything up until I worked

out what did not agree with her in my diet.

If you are breastfeeding, I would try eliminating everything that has dairy,

corn (including corn syrup which is in everything processed), beans and soy

out of your diet. Then give it a week and see if she is better. If she is

not better try eliminating wheat too. Then wait a week. If she is better,

try adding one thing back at a time and wait a week in between. If it is

dairy, you may want to try raw milk before you go back to pasteurized milk.

(My daughter has severe reflux from pastureized milk but drinks raw milk by

the gallon!

If you are breastfeeding it is most likely the dairy or soy in the formula,

but also could be corn if it is in there. Try one of the sensitive stomach

formulas or make a natural formula made from raw milk that is recommended by

the Weston Price Foundation. (search Weston Price and formula and it should

come up).

Hope that helps.

C

_____

From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Malia

Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:31 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: OT: acid reflux disease (GERD)

I know this has nothing to do with vaxing, but I was hoping you could

help me out.

Our little Lily is 6 months old and is still extremely fussy and

cranky. We suspect GERD, but are not sure. So we decided to fill the

prescription for Losec and see if it would help. She won't take it. And

I'm not sure how hard I want to try and force her.

I am just not comfortable giving her a drug that virtually shuts down

her acid production, especially if she doesn't have GERD...that can't

be good for her!!!!!

So, I have noticed that you (the group) are more into natural healing

etc and thought you may have some suggestions for me. I apologize if

this is too off topic, but I am desperate to help my baby....

thanks so much,

malia

[Guest guest]

Yes, I am breastfeeding exclusively (despite how difficult it has

been!)...sorry I forgot to mention that. She will be 6 months on the

18th and appears ready for solids. I did give her a taste of mashed

banana a couple of times, but stopped when I thought I saw blood in

her poop (hubby says it wasn't).

The only side effect listed was headache. But I have to wonder about

the long term effects of shutting down acid production?????

I am in the process of trying to find a naturopthic doctor to help

her, but we can't even get out of the house and it has been really

rough.

Malia

I know this has nothing to do with

vaxing, but I was hoping you could

> help me out.

>

> Our little Lily is 6 months old and is still extremely fussy and

> cranky. We suspect GERD, but are not sure. So we decided to fill

the

> prescription for Losec and see if it would help. She won't take it.

And

> I'm not sure how hard I want to try and force her.

>

> I am just not comfortable giving her a drug that virtually shuts

down

> her acid production, especially if she doesn't have GERD...that

can't

> be good for her!!!!!

>

> So, I have noticed that you (the group) are more into natural

healing

> etc and thought you may have some suggestions for me. I apologize

if

> this is too off topic, but I am desperate to help my baby....

>

> thanks so much,

>

> malia

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

An elimination diet has been next on my list. But it seems so

overwhelming. Between Lily's constant fussiness and my fibromyalgia,

showers and teeth brushing have become luxuries. I can't even

comprehend how to eat well at the moment. I know that sounds

pathetic. Can you give me some tips on what you did eat when you did

the elimination?

I wish we could get raw milk here (alberta, canada) but so far we

can't. I get a raw milk protein drink from Mercola.com though.....

>

> HI Malia

>

> I would say congrats to your daughter for not taking the pills!

You don't

> want to put toxins in her body. I know it is hard for you to see

her like

> that though. My daughter was fussy and spat everything up until I

worked

> out what did not agree with her in my diet.

>

> If you are breastfeeding, I would try eliminating everything that

has dairy,

> corn (including corn syrup which is in everything processed), beans

and soy

> out of your diet. Then give it a week and see if she is better.

If she is

> not better try eliminating wheat too. Then wait a week. If she is

better,

> try adding one thing back at a time and wait a week in between. If

it is

> dairy, you may want to try raw milk before you go back to

pasteurized milk.

> (My daughter has severe reflux from pastureized milk but drinks raw

milk by

> the gallon!

>

> If you are breastfeeding it is most likely the dairy or soy in the

formula,

> but also could be corn if it is in there. Try one of the sensitive

stomach

> formulas or make a natural formula made from raw milk that is

recommended by

> the Weston Price Foundation. (search Weston Price and formula and

it should

> come up).

>

> Hope that helps.

>

> C

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Vaccinations

[mailto:Vaccinations ] On

> Behalf Of Malia

> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:31 PM

> Vaccinations

> Subject: OT: acid reflux disease (GERD)

>

>

>

> I know this has nothing to do with vaxing, but I was hoping you

could

> help me out.

>

> Our little Lily is 6 months old and is still extremely fussy and

> cranky. We suspect GERD, but are not sure. So we decided to fill

the

> prescription for Losec and see if it would help. She won't take it.

And

> I'm not sure how hard I want to try and force her.

>

> I am just not comfortable giving her a drug that virtually shuts

down

> her acid production, especially if she doesn't have GERD...that

can't

> be good for her!!!!!

>

> So, I have noticed that you (the group) are more into natural

healing

> etc and thought you may have some suggestions for me. I apologize

if

> this is too off topic, but I am desperate to help my baby....

>

> thanks so much,

>

> malia

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Malia --

An elimination diet can be overwhelming but if you concentrate on what you

can have -- lots of fresh fruits and veggies, brown rice, lean meats and

poultry (preferably organic), it's not as bad as it sounds. The hardest

part is giving up the chips, prepared foods and baked goods (which aren't

good for us to begin with). Just remember, you only need to get through a

week or so. If there's no change, you can add it back.

Good luck.

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On 1/17/07, Malia <I_AM_MALIA@...> wrote:

>

> An elimination diet has been next on my list. But it seems so

> overwhelming. Between Lily's constant fussiness and my fibromyalgia,

> showers and teeth brushing have become luxuries. I can't even

> comprehend how to eat well at the moment. I know that sounds

> pathetic. Can you give me some tips on what you did eat when you did

> the elimination?

>

> I wish we could get raw milk here (alberta, canada) but so far we

> can't. I get a raw milk protein drink from Mercola.com though.....

>

>

> >

> > HI Malia

> >

> > I would say congrats to your daughter for not taking the pills!

> You don't

> > want to put toxins in her body. I know it is hard for you to see

> her like

> > that though. My daughter was fussy and spat everything up until I

> worked

> > out what did not agree with her in my diet.

> >

> > If you are breastfeeding, I would try eliminating everything that

> has dairy,

> > corn (including corn syrup which is in everything processed), beans

> and soy

> > out of your diet. Then give it a week and see if she is better.

> If she is

> > not better try eliminating wheat too. Then wait a week. If she is

> better,

> > try adding one thing back at a time and wait a week in between. If

> it is

> > dairy, you may want to try raw milk before you go back to

> pasteurized milk.

> > (My daughter has severe reflux from pastureized milk but drinks raw

> milk by

> > the gallon!

> >

> > If you are breastfeeding it is most likely the dairy or soy in the

> formula,

> > but also could be corn if it is in there. Try one of the sensitive

> stomach

> > formulas or make a natural formula made from raw milk that is

> recommended by

> > the Weston Price Foundation. (search Weston Price and formula and

> it should

> > come up).

> >

> > Hope that helps.

> >

> > C

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: Vaccinations

> [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

> > Behalf Of Malia

> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:31 PM

> > Vaccinations

> > Subject: OT: acid reflux disease (GERD)

> >

> >

> >

> > I know this has nothing to do with vaxing, but I was hoping you

> could

> > help me out.

> >

> > Our little Lily is 6 months old and is still extremely fussy and

> > cranky. We suspect GERD, but are not sure. So we decided to fill

> the

> > prescription for Losec and see if it would help. She won't take it.

> And

> > I'm not sure how hard I want to try and force her.

> >

> > I am just not comfortable giving her a drug that virtually shuts

> down

> > her acid production, especially if she doesn't have GERD...that

> can't

> > be good for her!!!!!

> >

> > So, I have noticed that you (the group) are more into natural

> healing

> > etc and thought you may have some suggestions for me. I apologize

> if

> > this is too off topic, but I am desperate to help my baby....

> >

> > thanks so much,

> >

> > malia

[Guest guest]

Hi Malia,

I basically ate organic meat, veggies and fruit. The meals were far from

glamorous - very basic. Meat fried or roasted in the oven with coconut oil.

Veggies steamed or raw. I kept away from the gassy veggies like broccoli,

cauliflower, etc. For pasta, I ate rice pasta. I ate very little cereals

and bread, because I don't normally. I know how hard it can be, but just

fill your fridge with these things and throw out everything that could be

tempting. You will see that if there is a difference in her fussiness, that

you will also get your energy back.

And remember you only have to do it for a week to begin with. I think you

will find it is not as hard as you think.

Good luck and feel free to ask any other questions.

C

_____

From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Malia

Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:38 AM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: OT: acid reflux disease (GERD)

An elimination diet has been next on my list. But it seems so

overwhelming. Between Lily's constant fussiness and my fibromyalgia,

showers and teeth brushing have become luxuries. I can't even

comprehend how to eat well at the moment. I know that sounds

pathetic. Can you give me some tips on what you did eat when you did

the elimination?

I wish we could get raw milk here (alberta, canada) but so far we

can't. I get a raw milk protein drink from Mercola.com though.....

>

> HI Malia

>

> I would say congrats to your daughter for not taking the pills!

You don't

> want to put toxins in her body. I know it is hard for you to see

her like

> that though. My daughter was fussy and spat everything up until I

worked

> out what did not agree with her in my diet.

>

> If you are breastfeeding, I would try eliminating everything that

has dairy,

> corn (including corn syrup which is in everything processed), beans

and soy

> out of your diet. Then give it a week and see if she is better.

If she is

> not better try eliminating wheat too. Then wait a week. If she is

better,

> try adding one thing back at a time and wait a week in between. If

it is

> dairy, you may want to try raw milk before you go back to

pasteurized milk.

> (My daughter has severe reflux from pastureized milk but drinks raw

milk by

> the gallon!

>

> If you are breastfeeding it is most likely the dairy or soy in the

formula,

> but also could be corn if it is in there. Try one of the sensitive

stomach

> formulas or make a natural formula made from raw milk that is

recommended by

> the Weston Price Foundation. (search Weston Price and formula and

it should

> come up).

>

> Hope that helps.

>

> C

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Vaccinations@ <mailto:Vaccinations%40>

[mailto:Vaccinations@ <mailto:Vaccinations%40>

] On

> Behalf Of Malia

> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:31 PM

> Vaccinations@ <mailto:Vaccinations%40>

> Subject: OT: acid reflux disease (GERD)

>

>

>

> I know this has nothing to do with vaxing, but I was hoping you

could

> help me out.

>

> Our little Lily is 6 months old and is still extremely fussy and

> cranky. We suspect GERD, but are not sure. So we decided to fill

the

> prescription for Losec and see if it would help. She won't take it.

And

> I'm not sure how hard I want to try and force her.

>

> I am just not comfortable giving her a drug that virtually shuts

down

> her acid production, especially if she doesn't have GERD...that

can't

> be good for her!!!!!

>

> So, I have noticed that you (the group) are more into natural

healing

> etc and thought you may have some suggestions for me. I apologize

if

> this is too off topic, but I am desperate to help my baby....

>

> thanks so much,

>

> malia

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i also had to cut dairy out of my diet for kaya...it helped a lot! i

take a calcium/mag supplement and also eat lots of fresh veggies,

rice, etc...i know it's hard but if it works you will quickly adjust!

Also i found that wearing her in some kind of carrier helped her to

fuss much much less. don't know if you already do, but kaya is 8

months old and 10kg now, and i still do it every day, whether we go

out or not. in fact if it gets to be 4 or 5pm and she hasn't been in

it yet, she gets real grumpy...she immediately changes her mood when i

put her in the pack! even if she continues to fuss, at least she is

comforted by being so close to you and you can have two free hands if

you need them!

> >

> > HI Malia

> >

> > I would say congrats to your daughter for not taking the pills!

> You don't

> > want to put toxins in her body. I know it is hard for you to see

> her like

> > that though. My daughter was fussy and spat everything up until I

> worked

> > out what did not agree with her in my diet.

> >

> > If you are breastfeeding, I would try eliminating everything that

> has dairy,

> > corn (including corn syrup which is in everything processed), beans

> and soy

> > out of your diet. Then give it a week and see if she is better.

> If she is

> > not better try eliminating wheat too. Then wait a week. If she is

> better,

> > try adding one thing back at a time and wait a week in between. If

> it is

> > dairy, you may want to try raw milk before you go back to

> pasteurized milk.

> > (My daughter has severe reflux from pastureized milk but drinks raw

> milk by

> > the gallon!

> >

> > If you are breastfeeding it is most likely the dairy or soy in the

> formula,

> > but also could be corn if it is in there. Try one of the sensitive

> stomach

> > formulas or make a natural formula made from raw milk that is

> recommended by

> > the Weston Price Foundation. (search Weston Price and formula and

> it should

> > come up).

> >

> > Hope that helps.

> >

> > C

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: Vaccinations@ <mailto:Vaccinations%40>

>

> [mailto:Vaccinations@ <mailto:Vaccinations%40>

> ] On

> > Behalf Of Malia

> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:31 PM

> > Vaccinations@ <mailto:Vaccinations%40>

> > Subject: OT: acid reflux disease (GERD)

> >

> >

> >

> > I know this has nothing to do with vaxing, but I was hoping you

> could

> > help me out.

> >

> > Our little Lily is 6 months old and is still extremely fussy and

> > cranky. We suspect GERD, but are not sure. So we decided to fill

> the

> > prescription for Losec and see if it would help. She won't take it.

> And

> > I'm not sure how hard I want to try and force her.

> >

> > I am just not comfortable giving her a drug that virtually shuts

> down

> > her acid production, especially if she doesn't have GERD...that

> can't

> > be good for her!!!!!

> >

> > So, I have noticed that you (the group) are more into natural

> healing

> > etc and thought you may have some suggestions for me. I apologize

> if

> > this is too off topic, but I am desperate to help my baby....

> >

> > thanks so much,

> >

> > malia

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Malia,

I agree FULLY with . Most, most, mostly cows milk. Babies are not

made to digest that stuff that young. Can't tell you how many times I hear of

infant reflux, see it, and see it improve when a mom actually eliminates that

stuff from her (if breastfeeding), and babies diet (as a homebirth midwifes

assistant and doula, and mom). I have had the experience myself, first, reflux

with projectile vomiting, I was a tired mom from breastfeeding all day long, up

until around 5 months when I figured out to eliminate all dairy from my diet,

elevate him from the waist up if lying down for a half hour after a feeding,

feed in small increments, like on for a minute, off for 15 sec's, on for a

minute, off for 15 sec's (seems cruel to some, but when things go down slower,

it helps, and they get used to feeding that way, it just takes longer).. For

sleep, anywhere he slept, he was elevated from waist up. Diaper changes, same

(like a folded blanket or a flat pillow and such. Their digestive systems are

more fully developed anywhere from 6 to 10 months (anyone know the exact

statistic?), so it's simple, if we all knew this (we are not generally told

this, and how to take care of the undeveloped digestive system....ARGH!), we'd

have less babies being prescribed MEDS!!! another argh!

I hope this helps. My second (both homebirthed, non vaxxed) never had sleeping

problems or spit up at all unless I had dairy! I was amazed.

email me if you would like to discuss any more, I would love to share and help.

Cassie Sala

mama to Canyon 11/11/03 and River 12/30/05 my home/water birthed boys

Birthmom to Sam 5/10/00

herbalmamacass@...

HI Malia

I would say congrats to your daughter for not taking the pills! You don't

want to put toxins in her body. I know it is hard for you to see her like

that though. My daughter was fussy and spat everything up until I worked

out what did not agree with her in my diet.

If you are breastfeeding, I would try eliminating everything that has dairy,

corn (including corn syrup which is in everything processed), beans and soy

out of your diet. Then give it a week and see if she is better. If she is

not better try eliminating wheat too. Then wait a week. If she is better,

try adding one thing back at a time and wait a week in between. If it is

dairy, you may want to try raw milk before you go back to pasteurized milk.

(My daughter has severe reflux from pastureized milk but drinks raw milk by

the gallon!

If you are breastfeeding it is most likely the dairy or soy in the formula,

but also could be corn if it is in there. Try one of the sensitive stomach

formulas or make a natural formula made from raw milk that is recommended by

the Weston Price Foundation. (search Weston Price and formula and it should

come up).

Hope that helps.

C

[Guest guest]

I agree too ! And I think you are very wise to look for a root cause

and not just accept a drug to treat the symptoms, because that won't

solve anything.

Our DS had terrible GERD. He spent his first two months of life

screaming about 20 hours a day and nobody believed me...I finally

insisted on trying Zantac when he was 8 weeks old and the screaming

stopped, but he was highly dependent on the Zantac and would start

screaming as soon as it wore off. I had tried " cutting back " on dairy

for two weeks, but when it didn't make any difference, our ped said it

" clearly was not a problem with dairy in my diet " . He went on to

develop a condition like asthma too, and was daily inhaled steroids

and Singulair. He had never had any dairy in his own diet, because he

got hives from it when we tried a tiny bit of cottage cheese when he

was one, but our ped told me that the dairy in my diet would not

affect him since he didn't get hives from nursing...finally when he

was 20 months old and had sensory integration issues, someone online

told me to try eliminating all casein from both our diets....lo and

behold, eight weeks of 100% casein-free life later he was not only

calmer than he had ever been in his life, but he didn't need the

Zantac or the asthma treatments anymore either !!! Dairy was really

messing him up, his whole life, and it was all the dairy in my own

diet, not his. I had to cut it out for eight weeks to see the

complete change. The few times I have accidentally consumed even

minute amount of dairy and then let him nurse, he has been sick,

hyperactive and violent for four days, so I know it's real.

Dairy is a food that just does not work for many kids and it gets into

breastmilk. If I was going to start eliminating foods, I would start

with all dairy and any processed foods with ingredients derived from

dairy....casein, caseinates, whey, milk solids, dairy-derived

lactates, cheese, etc for a couple of months. If you need information

about how to live without dairy, let me know; I can share how I do it.

B.

>

> Hi Malia,

>

> I agree FULLY with . Most, most, mostly cows milk.