RE: questions/malaria prophylaxis

February 2, 2007

I recommend an Artemisia formula for prevention of malaria. These are

available from Chinese herbalists/acupuncturists or naturopaths. Health

Concerns makes a formula, Artestatin, and Thorne does as well, Paragard.

Randall Neustaedter OMD

Classical Medicine Center

1779 Woodside Rd., 201C

Redwood City, CA 94061

650 299-9170

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Author of Child Health Guide: Holistic Pediatrics for Parents, North

Atlantic Books, 2005, and The Vaccine Guide, 2002

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From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Thode

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:44 AM

vaxlist

Subject: questions/malaria prophylaxis

Hey folks. I have a super 2.5yo son who is completely unvaxxed. He is

pretty healthy (relatively speaking)--just had a bout with some oral

herpes, has some crap teeth, and probably some constitutional issues yet

to work out--but nothing hugely glaring is up with him.

I am considering taking a trip to India, as I miss it so much! When I

first went, I got fully vaxxed for the trip, took malarial prophylaxis

etc. I am of two minds about another trip: I really would like to take

him, but do think that a) he wont remember it and he won't be much

help in helping me keep him safe and healthy....and so maybe I should

not bring him. On the other hand, I really do want him to come and I

want to drag my DH too.

This time around I wouldn't dream of getting myself revaxxed but am a

bit conflicted about the more purist part of me that says also 'no

chemoprophylaxis'....no internal meds, and no mosquito repellent. I just

think that since I cannot possibly know if I am susceptible to malaria,

I should do what I can (and the last time I went I slept in bed tents,

wore long sleeves and pants (in that heat gag but I did it), stayed

indoors at dawn/dusk etc....and take some preventative. I don't know if

I really 'buy' 'prevention' b/c that is hard to really know even by

'standard' standards--and I don't know what I feel re: the whole idea of

so called 'homeopathic prophylaxis'.

Now seeing I feel that way for my son, I would logically want it for my

son my - but part of me says OMG he is so PURE and untouched by all of

this crap. And on the other hand--I don't know if he is susceptible or

not either, and I am not a professional homeopath, and we'd be more than

24 hours from medical facilities (not in a big city)....in that light

I'd want chemoprophylaxis for him. The selection of 'choice' for him

would be malarone.....but that also seems to be the only one that can be

gotten for emergency self treatment and you can't use it for self

treatment if you've used it for prophylaxis...if he were over 8yo, a

choice would be doxycycline and malarone for emergency treatment. My

'ideal' would be something non pharmaceutical......but I dont know about

options......

I guess I am just batting this around in a big giant circle and hoping

someone can kick me off the hamster wheel :-) Maybe it is just stupid

to take a 2.5yo on a trip like this.

There, did I just toss myself off? :-)

February 2, 2007

Thank you so much! I will look into these.

Do you have any advice re: DEET? It gives me the yeebie jeebies.

Randall Neustaedter wrote:

>

> I recommend an Artemisia formula for prevention of malaria. These are

> available from Chinese herbalists/acupuncturists or naturopaths. Health

> Concerns makes a formula, Artestatin, and Thorne does as well, Paragard.

>

February 2, 2007

Use one of the aromatic oil sprays available at health food stores for

mosquitos, on clothes as well as skin, and use it often.

Randall Neustaedter OMD

Classical Medicine Center

1779 Woodside Rd., 201C

Redwood City, CA 94061

650 299-9170

www.Cure-Guide.com <http://www.cure-guide.com/>

Author of Child Health Guide: Holistic Pediatrics for Parents, North

Atlantic Books, 2005, and The Vaccine Guide, 2002

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From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Thode

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:59 AM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: questions/malaria prophylaxis

Thank you so much! I will look into these.

Do you have any advice re: DEET? It gives me the yeebie jeebies.

Randall Neustaedter wrote:

>

> I recommend an Artemisia formula for prevention of malaria. These are

> available from Chinese herbalists/acupuncturists or naturopaths. Health

> Concerns makes a formula, Artestatin, and Thorne does as well, Paragard.

>

February 3, 2007

>Hey folks. I have a super 2.5yo son who is completely unvaxxed. He is

>pretty healthy (relatively speaking)--just had a bout with some oral

>herpes, has some crap teeth, and probably some constitutional issues yet

>to work out--but nothing hugely glaring is up with him.

Hi

Yes, he does need more homeopathic treatment (sorry I have been so

unavailable)

I would not risk it at all with a child that young - just my opinion.

Malaria is a tough one

There are homeopathics but no guarantee.

NEVER get those drugs for any of you. Terrible reactions.

I'll resend info on Lariam and the like.

DEET - terrible

There are those devices that emit sounds - don't know how effective they

are how and how they effect us.

If you must go, go on your own for a bit.

Don't know what else to say.

Sometimes there are no answers.

Sheri

>

>I am considering taking a trip to India, as I miss it so much! When I

>first went, I got fully vaxxed for the trip, took malarial prophylaxis

>etc. I am of two minds about another trip: I really would like to take

>him, but do think that a) he wont remember it and he won't be much

>help in helping me keep him safe and healthy....and so maybe I should

>not bring him. On the other hand, I really do want him to come and I

>want to drag my DH too.

>

>This time around I wouldn't dream of getting myself revaxxed but am a

>bit conflicted about the more purist part of me that says also 'no

>chemoprophylaxis'....no internal meds, and no mosquito repellent. I just

>think that since I cannot possibly know if I am susceptible to malaria,

>I should do what I can (and the last time I went I slept in bed tents,

>wore long sleeves and pants (in that heat gag but I did it), stayed

>indoors at dawn/dusk etc....and take some preventative. I don't know if

>I really 'buy' 'prevention' b/c that is hard to really know even by

>'standard' standards--and I don't know what I feel re: the whole idea of

>so called 'homeopathic prophylaxis'.

>

>Now seeing I feel that way for my son, I would logically want it for my

>son my - but part of me says OMG he is so PURE and untouched by all of

>this crap. And on the other hand--I don't know if he is susceptible or

>not either, and I am not a professional homeopath, and we'd be more than

>24 hours from medical facilities (not in a big city)....in that light

>I'd want chemoprophylaxis for him. The selection of 'choice' for him

>would be malarone.....but that also seems to be the only one that can be

>gotten for emergency self treatment and you can't use it for self

>treatment if you've used it for prophylaxis...if he were over 8yo, a

>choice would be doxycycline and malarone for emergency treatment. My

>'ideal' would be something non pharmaceutical......but I dont know about

>options......

>

>I guess I am just batting this around in a big giant circle and hoping

>someone can kick me off the hamster wheel :-) Maybe it is just stupid

>to take a 2.5yo on a trip like this.

>

>There, did I just toss myself off? :-)

>

February 3, 2007

,

A woman from our church went to Africa recently. She took the prophylactic

drugs against malaria, and got very sick from them. About 6 weeks later, she

ended up with malaria anyway.

I'm with Sheri. I don't think I'd risk it with a little one.

Kay

Re: questions/malaria prophylaxis

>

>>Hey folks. I have a super 2.5yo son who is completely unvaxxed. He is

>>pretty healthy (relatively speaking)--just had a bout with some oral

>>herpes, has some crap teeth, and probably some constitutional issues yet

>>to work out--but nothing hugely glaring is up with him.

>

> Hi

> I would not risk it at all with a child that young - just my opinion.

> Malaria is a tough one

> There are homeopathics but no guarantee.

> NEVER get those drugs for any of you. Terrible reactions.

> I'll resend info on Lariam and the like.

> DEET - terrible

> There are those devices that emit sounds - don't know how effective they

> are how and how they effect us.

>

> If you must go, go on your own for a bit.

> Don't know what else to say.

> Sometimes there are no answers.

> Sheri

February 3, 2007

Hey Sheri :-)

It is a tricky one....and I am leaning more toward not taking him until

he is older. I'd want him to remember it, too-to really digest what can

be experienced there...

I asked a local osteopath what she thought of vaccines when I went to

see her....she practices homeopathy as well, but not classically, so I

stick to her magnificent adjustments of my neck......she said she

doesn't do vaccines for her kids and we discussed potential travel to

places like India and malaria prevention and vaccination for things and

she said she wouldn't do vaccines, was less sure about malaria

prevention, but that she was waiting to go back with her child until her

child was 12 or so. She felt that an older child would be less at risk

(even if just from being able to communicate ill feelings a bit better

and get prompter attention)....I'm not sure if that is your line of

thinking, or if there are multiple considerations--but that one made

sense to me.

When I went before, I couldn't take most of what was available b/c of

the history of depression I had....and with the side effects, I can see

that I could be equally at risk of serious problems from the lack of

availability for treatment of the side effects as I would be if I had

contracted malaria! And all of these things say 'no guarantee, if you

get a fever, assume you have malaria' ! I took the full course of

doxycycline when I went last (ugh, I know!!) but am now much more

cautious about jumping into that sort of thing. Chronic yeast has been

my best friend since! Malarone is new and seems to have a low side

effect profile--but again am really cautious about even considering it.

If it came to choosing doxycycline or malarone, I don't know what I'd

choose. If I was alone-I might just skip the prophylaxis and focus on

covering up, a treated bed net and think of something vis-a-vis

repellents.

You're right-sometimes there are no answers (or, no clear answers of X

vs Y that make it easy!)....it seems that for some things it's just

trying to decide which is the lesser evil!

>

> I would not risk it at all with a child that young - just my opinion.

> Malaria is a tough one

> There are homeopathics but no guarantee.

> NEVER get those drugs for any of you. Terrible reactions.

> I'll resend info on Lariam and the like.

> DEET - terrible

> There are those devices that emit sounds - don't know how effective they

> are how and how they effect us.

>

> If you must go, go on your own for a bit.

> Don't know what else to say.

> Sometimes there are no answers.

> Sheri

>

February 3, 2007

Just too new for people to have started to suss to the problems and file

lawsuits

I would go but not do any drugs.

What about those devices I mentioned.

But keeping home would be what I would recommend for now.

Sheri

At 02:12 PM 2/3/2007 +0000, you wrote:

>Hey Sheri :-)

>

>It is a tricky one....and I am leaning more toward not taking him until

>he is older. I'd want him to remember it, too-to really digest what can

>be experienced there...

>

>I asked a local osteopath what she thought of vaccines when I went to

>see her....she practices homeopathy as well, but not classically, so I

>stick to her magnificent adjustments of my neck......she said she

>doesn't do vaccines for her kids and we discussed potential travel to

>places like India and malaria prevention and vaccination for things and

>she said she wouldn't do vaccines, was less sure about malaria

>prevention, but that she was waiting to go back with her child until her

>child was 12 or so. She felt that an older child would be less at risk

>(even if just from being able to communicate ill feelings a bit better

>and get prompter attention)....I'm not sure if that is your line of

>thinking, or if there are multiple considerations--but that one made

>sense to me.

>

>When I went before, I couldn't take most of what was available b/c of

>the history of depression I had....and with the side effects, I can see

>that I could be equally at risk of serious problems from the lack of

>availability for treatment of the side effects as I would be if I had

>contracted malaria! And all of these things say 'no guarantee, if you

>get a fever, assume you have malaria' ! I took the full course of

>doxycycline when I went last (ugh, I know!!) but am now much more

>cautious about jumping into that sort of thing. Chronic yeast has been

>my best friend since! Malarone is new and seems to have a low side

>effect profile--but again am really cautious about even considering it.

>If it came to choosing doxycycline or malarone, I don't know what I'd

>choose. If I was alone-I might just skip the prophylaxis and focus on

>covering up, a treated bed net and think of something vis-a-vis

>repellents.

>

>You're right-sometimes there are no answers (or, no clear answers of X

>vs Y that make it easy!)....it seems that for some things it's just

>trying to decide which is the lesser evil!

>

>>

>> I would not risk it at all with a child that young - just my opinion.

>> Malaria is a tough one

>> There are homeopathics but no guarantee.

>> NEVER get those drugs for any of you. Terrible reactions.

>> I'll resend info on Lariam and the like.

>> DEET - terrible

>> There are those devices that emit sounds - don't know how effective they

>> are how and how they effect us.

>>

>> If you must go, go on your own for a bit.

>> Don't know what else to say.

>> Sometimes there are no answers.

>> Sheri

>>

>

February 3, 2007

Sheri Nakken wrote:

>

> What about those devices I mentioned.

>

I will have to look into them; I don't know anything about them. The

closest my knowledge point comes is to electronic cat scaring devices

;-) Though the skeeters can be as big as cats sometimes LOL!

>

> But keeping home would be what I would recommend for now.

>

I think that is probably the best thing, I just wrestle with it out of

my own selfishness of wanting him with me....

talk soon

February 3, 2007

My doctor went into a malaria area with a group of businessmen as the

accompanying medic. He pleaded with them all NOT to take Lariam but they all

laughed. They all got violently sick and he " walzed through it " having taken

some other prophylactic ( Knowing him it was either homeopathy or naturally

based)