Antibodies do not = immunity

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I would suggest that there is no proof vaccines give immunity

I " ve posted some of this before..........

this is very significant as they base the proof for their vaccines working

on antibody titers rising after and it just isn't proof

Sheri

Antibody titers do NOT = immunity, Part 1 of 2

Antibody titers do NOT = immunity

Much of what conventional studies use for 'proof' a vaccine 'works' and

'gives immunity' are increased antibody titres after administration of the

vaccine. As you can see - that is a fallacy

Antibodies are just one aspect of the immune system. They show there has

been exposure. PERIOD. If there are antibodies after experiencing a

disease, they may mean immunity as the rest of the immune system was

mobilized - all aspects. With vaccines, much of the immune system is

bypassed - TH1 (mouth, nose, throat and all aspects of immune system that

gets mobilized there). Only TH2 responds (simplified a bit here). So

antibodies do NOT mean immunity. All aspects need to be measured and for

the most part they have no clue how to do that or even what to measure and

what actually indicates immunity.

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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1158

7808 & dopt=Citation

From the journal - Vaccine. PMID: 11587808

ARTICLE: What are the limits of adjuvanticity? Del Giudice G, Podda A,

>Rappuoli R.

" Finally, adjuvanticity is more often evaluated in terms of

antigen-specific antibody titers induced after parenteral immunization. It

is known that, in many instances, antigen-specific antibody titers do not

correlate with protection. " Vaccine. PMID: 11587808

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/22/nyregion/22CHAS.html

January 22, 2004

Merrill W. Chase Is Dead at 98; Scientist Who Advanced Immunology

By ANAHAD O'CONNOR

Dr. Merrill W. Chase, an immunologist whose research on white blood cells

helped undermine the longstanding belief that antibodies alone protected

the body from disease and micro-organisms, died on Jan. 5 at his home in

New York City, according to the Rockefeller University, where he worked for

70 years. He was 98.

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Antibodies are just ONE part of the immune system response.........maybe

antibodies meant something after experiencing a disease as antibody titres

were there AS WELL as the rest of the immune response (which isn't

measured). But in vaccines antibodies just mean exposure and do NOT mean

the immune system went through all it needed to to give lasting immunity or

any immunity.

Sheri

Antibody Theory

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/antibody.html

Quotes Disease theory

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Crone, NE; Reder, AT; Severe tetanus in immunized patients with high

anti-tetanus titers; Neurology 1992; 42:761-764;

Article abstract: Severe (grade III) tetanus occurred in three immunized

patients who had high serum levels of anti-tetanus antibody. The disease

was fatal in one patient. One patient had been hyperimmunized to produce

commercial tetanus immune globulin. Two patients had received immunizations

one year before presentation. Anti-tetanus antibody titers on admission

were 25 IU/ml to 0.15 IU/ml by hemagglutination and ELISA assays; greater

than 0.01 IU/ml is considered protective. Even though one patient had

seemingly adequate anti-tetanus titers by in vitro measurement 0.20 IU in

vivo mouse protection bioassays showed a titer less than 0.01 IU/ml,

implying that there may have been a hole in her immune repertoire to

tetanus neurotoxin but not to toxoid. This is the first report of grade III

tetanus with protective levels of antibody in the United States. The

diagnosis of tetanus, nevertheless, should not be discarded solely on the

basis of seemingly protective anti-tetanus titers.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-p...m=6 & db=m & Dopt=b

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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm