Re: HELP - Need facts to share with brother

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At 10:19 AM 12/10/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>Hello, everyone. My husband and I decided before our daughter was born 16

months ago that we would not vaccinate her. We know why in our hearts, but

it's sometimes hard to share with people why, like I stumble over my words

and am not " educated " enough to share the facts with them. My brother

confronted me last night saying he is concerned that we are not

vaccinating. He is very open to hearing why and we are going to talk about

it in our next phone call as our time was short last night.

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>What I need is a quick fact sheet, resources I can go to to get more info,

etc. so that when I talk to him I can feel more educated and I can share

with him facts and resources. Can you all help me? I've never posted here

before. Thank you so much for your help.

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I'll send something brief that I wrote up.

Sheri

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Here are a few sites that I like...

http://thinktwice.com

http://www.nvic.org/Default.htm

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/vaccine_awareness/vaccination_ine

fficacy.html

I am sure others on here have much better sites then these, but this

should help you.

angie

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> Hello, everyone. My husband and I decided before our daughter was

born 16 months ago that we would not vaccinate her. We know why in

our hearts, but it's sometimes hard to share with people why, like I

stumble over my words and am not " educated " enough to share the

facts with them. My brother confronted me last night saying he is

concerned that we are not vaccinating. He is very open to hearing

why and we are going to talk about it in our next phone call as our

time was short last night.

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> What I need is a quick fact sheet, resources I can go to to get

more info, etc. so that when I talk to him I can feel more educated

and I can share with him facts and resources. Can you all help me?

I've never posted here before. Thank you so much for your help.

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> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

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Have you asked your brother, " And would you be concerned if we WERE vaccinating? "

Chances are he will say no.Even if he were to say yes then you would reply, "

Then you know why. "

Link him to VAERS,NVICP,and the vaccine price list.A google will turn up each

site.The vaccine price list is useful in looking up the inserts for each vaccine

by having the name/maker.Ask your brother to read through the inserts,and check

out the VAERS and vaccine injury compensation program.It should shut him up,and

if it doesn't then just smile and say, " Not up for discussion anymore. "

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My reply when someone challenges me with how " wonderful " vaccines are and

how many lives they have saved is, " That's what < I > used to think before I

started researching the dangers of vaccines. " If they continue to challenge

me, I tell them, " I've been studying the dangers of vaccines for X amt. of

years. When you have done some research, then we'll talk. " That usually

shuts them up.

And I'm being honest with them. I was an OB/Pediatric RN and couldn't

BELIEVE anyone would not vaccinate their child. HA! Little did I know. It

wasn't until our puppy had a reaction to one of his shots that I started

researching. That was about 6 years ago.

Many of you here are so very fortunate to be learning about the dangers of

vaccines while your children are still babies. I wasn't so lucky.

HTH

Kay

Re: HELP - Need facts to share with brother

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> Have you asked your brother, " And would you be concerned if we WERE

> vaccinating? " Chances are he will say no.Even if he were to say yes then

> you would reply, " Then you know why. "

> Link him to VAERS,NVICP,and the vaccine price list.A google will turn up

> each site.The vaccine price list is useful in looking up the inserts for

> each vaccine by having the name/maker.Ask your brother to read through the

> inserts,and check out the VAERS and vaccine injury compensation program.It

> should shut him up,and if it doesn't then just smile and say, " Not up for

> discussion anymore. "

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Have him read some quotes.

Doctors on vaccination Quotes

http://whale.to/m/quotes26.html

More here

http://www.vaclib.org/basic/quotes.htm

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Hi, Sherri. The state we moved back to is Washington. We reside in the Spokane

area. Thanks for any direction you can give me.

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All, please help me if I'm being silly on this....

I've read these posts and continously shake my head on this. I cannot

understand why indiviudals as parents would need anything to share with their

family or friends on their decision to do what they feel is right for their

child.

So your brother does not agree with your decision - whoopty doo! Do you agree

with all his? Do you demand that he back up all of his choices? From work? From

relationships? To parenting?

Here's a trick I used with my husband that initially didn't agree with me

either. I said - " okay, we'll vaccinate. However, if we vaccinate, then, you

realize that there may be a chance for you to get a 2nd job, or, sell your

" toys " - because if something should happen with our child, it will take me to

stay home with him. That means, I cannot work. If I cannot work, we'll have to

make due on your income(s) " . Well - what do you know.... that made him listen.

Your brother will not be effected one iota should something happen to your

child - you however, will. The problem as I see it, is that everyone thinks

they need to explain themselves. I remember growing up and asking my parents

" why " for some things, and they would say " because I said so " . That was good

enough for me. I realize times have changed, which is very sad. We've become a

passive nation.

If it's just that he wants to be educated to know what he's doing for his

children is right, then, that's a different story - but, if he's questioning you

- then, " whoopty-doo " .

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This makes a lot of sense, but somehow I do still worry about the blame I will

receive when my unvaccinated child (partially vaxed up to 9 mos. in fact) gets

the measles or the mumps and shares it with her preschool. I'm sure vaxed kids

will get it but she will be blamed. Right or wrong.

But you are right in that nobody will pick up the pieces but YOU if something

happens to your child.

Sheri B.

Randi Airola <randiceaj@...> wrote:

All, please help me if I'm being silly on this....

I've read these posts and continously shake my head on this. I cannot understand

why indiviudals as parents would need anything to share with their family or

friends on their decision to do what they feel is right for their child.

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At the same time, doesn't one need to wonder about the oubreaks that occurred in

VACCINATED children? Come on.... vaccination DOES NOT EQUAL IMMUNITY!

Therefore, in my opinion, those that VACCINATE their children are at risk of

child abuse - because they are NOT immune, in addition to, they are proned to

other diseases given the fact that they were given all the crap that's within

vaccinations themselves.

Should anyone feel guilty for not vaccinating? Nut-uh!

One, they are not ensuring anyway their child is, or is not protected, in

addition, they are avoiding from the blood stream, DNA alteration, genetic

dispositition, thus that vaccines lead to arise to. Wake up! It's no one's

business but your own!

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Randi,

You and I both know all of this, but to try to convince the rest of the

'uneducated' world.... come ON! That's what I'm more afraid of. Not enough to

vaccinate my child, of course. But I'm already the oddball out there with all

my alternative forms of healing and supplements and green ways. I guess it's

just the price we pay for standing up for our beliefs. But not many folks are

going to believe me so I don't even try much anymore.

People always kid me that my kids are sicker than other kids (which I don't

think is true - yes they DO get colds, etc... but usually they don't get super

sick) so they don't believe me when I tell them that their long-term immune

systems are going to be stronger.

So far we haven't had to face an outbreak of anything major, but eventually we

probably will. I'll just have to stand strong.

And of course there will be vaccinated children who get these illnesses. But

they'll do their darndest to trace it back to some unvaxed kid. They always do.

Whether they're right or wrong.

Sheri B.

www.shaklee.net/simplevitality

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