Re: Child Protective Services

December 9, 2006

Hello! The answer is a big yes!

My experience is from February, 1993 in the ER at a

large private hospital. I asked my 12 year old

daughter to watch my one year old son so I could take

a much needed shower. My one year old son fell and

something fell on his face, he had blood everywhere,

so my DH and I took him to the ER for the attention he

needed.

Well, the doctor suspected child abuse from the injury

he had. One of the final questions the doctor,

Benedon, asked me before the seven Foothill

policemen he had called walked in was, " Is he up to

date on his vaccines? "

I quickly answered, " Yes, he is completely taken care

of. "

DH and I sat in that room for twelve hours. The

police never asked me what happened. My three older

children were at a neighbor's home. No one examined

my son's mouth during that entire time; he continued

to bleed the entire time. My sister, a dentist, told

me that doctors have the attitude that the mouth is

" dirty " and the specialty of the dentist. My son

received no care, no attention, nothing. I had to ask

for a diaper as I did not expect to spend the hour

there that I did. I called my pediatrician,

Fleiss, from a pay phone; he told me that I needed to

be sure that I went home with my son. Nothing more.

Anyway, as bad as that experience was, I am glad that

I answered the way I did. This was fourteen years

ago. My son is fine today.

I have asked social workers about the vaccination

accusation, and the ones I have spoken to have said

that they know that many parents are withholding

vaccinations because of legitimate concerns about

safety and side effects, and not vaccinating would not

be a problem with them.

Still, doctors, teachers, nurses and other HCP can and

will call CPS to investigate you since not vaccinating

your children is a sign of child abuse and neglect.

--- aheart4family <aheart4family@...> wrote:

> Can a MD threaten/report you to child protective

> services for not

> vaccinating your child? Goodness, I never thought

> of that!

>

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December 9, 2006

That's why it's so important to have a legal exemption in your possession.

If a doctor thinks you're just a negligent parent who hasn't bothered to get

your child vaxed, I can see where CPS could easily be brought into the

picture. BUT if you have a legal exemption (available in every state), I

would think you've got your bases covered. You would be within the laws of

your state.

Has anyone had problems with CPS being called if it's known by the MD that

you have a legal exemption?

Kay

Re: Child Protective Services

>> I have asked social workers about the vaccination

> accusation, and the ones I have spoken to have said

> that they know that many parents are withholding

> vaccinations because of legitimate concerns about

> safety and side effects, and not vaccinating would not

> be a problem with them.

>

> Still, doctors, teachers, nurses and other HCP can and

> will call CPS to investigate you since not vaccinating

> your children is a sign of child abuse and neglect.

December 9, 2006

Forced vaccinations is the beginning of forced medicine. We have to fight for

our rights.

The medical industry has got to be stopped.

The National Vaccine Group down in Virginia may be able to help; but I doubt

it.

Most of these people are afraid to stick their necks out.

Visit www.medicine-no.com that website is on the right track

Child Protective Services

Can a MD threaten/report you to child protective services for not

vaccinating your child? Goodness, I never thought of that!

December 9, 2006

I ALWAYS tell them that they are up to date on their vaccines, as in my mind

they are. It is between our doctor and us. A funny thing happened last month, I

took my son to the ER because of an asthma attack (not the funny part) and the

nurse had asked about allergies, one of them is eggs. She then asked about

vaccines and I told her that he was up to date, she questioned on why I would

get him vaccinated when he was allergic to eggs? Uh, oh, ummm...

Sara

---- maureen gradvohl <mrsvoltaire@...> wrote:

> Hello! The answer is a big yes!

>

> My experience is from February, 1993 in the ER at a

> large private hospital. I asked my 12 year old

> daughter to watch my one year old son so I could take

> a much needed shower. My one year old son fell and

> something fell on his face, he had blood everywhere,

> so my DH and I took him to the ER for the attention he

> needed.

>

> Well, the doctor suspected child abuse from the injury

> he had. One of the final questions the doctor,

> Benedon, asked me before the seven Foothill

> policemen he had called walked in was, " Is he up to

> date on his vaccines? "

>

> I quickly answered, " Yes, he is completely taken care

> of. "

>

> DH and I sat in that room for twelve hours. The

> police never asked me what happened. My three older

> children were at a neighbor's home. No one examined

> my son's mouth during that entire time; he continued

> to bleed the entire time. My sister, a dentist, told

> me that doctors have the attitude that the mouth is

> " dirty " and the specialty of the dentist. My son

> received no care, no attention, nothing. I had to ask

> for a diaper as I did not expect to spend the hour

> there that I did. I called my pediatrician,

> Fleiss, from a pay phone; he told me that I needed to

> be sure that I went home with my son. Nothing more.

>

> Anyway, as bad as that experience was, I am glad that

> I answered the way I did. This was fourteen years

> ago. My son is fine today.

>

> I have asked social workers about the vaccination

> accusation, and the ones I have spoken to have said

> that they know that many parents are withholding

> vaccinations because of legitimate concerns about

> safety and side effects, and not vaccinating would not

> be a problem with them.

>

> Still, doctors, teachers, nurses and other HCP can and

> will call CPS to investigate you since not vaccinating

> your children is a sign of child abuse and neglect.

>

> --- aheart4family <aheart4family@...> wrote:

>

> > Can a MD threaten/report you to child protective

> > services for not

> > vaccinating your child? Goodness, I never thought

> > of that!

> >

>

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December 9, 2006

Again, I'm wondering: if the reason they are seeing your child has

nothing to do with a vaccination-related disease, why do they ask? And

why should it matter? I'm not good at lying, and would most likely feel

like I was lying if I said " yes, they are up-to-date on vaccinations "

like you mentioned below. So I think, if they ask, what would I say?

" Why are you asking that? " " How is that related to this? " It would

definitely piss me off. I would think, though (maybe I am on some cloud

with this one), that a parent who looks into vaccinations and chooses

not to vaccinate is different from an abusive/neglectful parent who

just never takes their kid to the doctor and doesn't care. You would

HOPE that the medpros would realize that and back off in an ER

confrontation-type situation.

Anybody on this list had CPS called on them for not vaxxing? Anybody

know of anybody?

On Saturday, December 9, 2006, at 10:06 PM, <Sassygirl1218@...>

wrote:

> I ALWAYS tell them that they are up to date on their vaccines, as in

> my mind they are. It is between our doctor and us. A funny thing

> happened last month, I took my son to the ER because of an asthma

> attack (not the funny part) and the nurse had asked about allergies,

> one of them is eggs. She then asked about vaccines and I told her that

> he was up to date, she questioned on why I would get him vaccinated

> when he was allergic to eggs? Uh, oh, ummm...

>

December 9, 2006

You are exactly correct.

What did my son's vaccination status have to do with

needing attention for a mouth wound that the doctor

would not even look at?

As I said in my earlier response, he never so much as

put a cotton ball to my son's mouth wound and as my

sister the dentist later told me, the mouth is

considered the domain of the dental specialist, not an

ER doctor.

The ER doctor was on a fishing expedition, plain and

simple. He was fishing for trouble for me. I knew

that he was looking for a reason to take my son away,

and I was not going to just give it to him.

Just be careful.

BTW, I did report this slob of an MD and got nowhere.

He is currently in another large metropolitan medical

center near my DS's high school.

YOu can run, but you cannot hide!

--- Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote:

> Again, I'm wondering: if the reason they are seeing

> your child has

> nothing to do with a vaccination-related disease,

> why do they ask? And

> why should it matter? I'm not good at lying, and

> would most likely feel

> like I was lying if I said " yes, they are up-to-date

> on vaccinations "

> like you mentioned below. So I think, if they ask,

> what would I say?

> " Why are you asking that? " " How is that related to

> this? " It would

> definitely piss me off. I would think, though (maybe

> I am on some cloud

> with this one), that a parent who looks into

> vaccinations and chooses

> not to vaccinate is different from an

> abusive/neglectful parent who

> just never takes their kid to the doctor and doesn't

> care. You would

> HOPE that the medpros would realize that and back

> off in an ER

> confrontation-type situation.

>

> Anybody on this list had CPS called on them for not

> vaxxing? Anybody

> know of anybody?

>

> On Saturday, December 9, 2006, at 10:06 PM,

> <Sassygirl1218@...>

> wrote:

>

> > I ALWAYS tell them that they are up to date on

> their vaccines, as in

> > my mind they are. It is between our doctor and us.

> A funny thing

> > happened last month, I took my son to the ER

> because of an asthma

> > attack (not the funny part) and the nurse had

> asked about allergies,

> > one of them is eggs. She then asked about vaccines

> and I told her that

> > he was up to date, she questioned on why I would

> get him vaccinated

> > when he was allergic to eggs? Uh, oh, ummm...

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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December 9, 2006

<<Again, I'm wondering: if the reason they are seeing your child has

nothing to do with a vaccination-related disease, why do they ask? And

why should it matter?>>

I don't know why they ask, but they do, no matter why you are in the ER.

<<I'm not good at lying, and would most likely feel

like I was lying if I said " yes, they are up-to-date on vaccinations "

like you mentioned below.>>

However, we all believe that our children are as up-to-date on their

vaccinations are WE think they need to be. So, we aren't lying, just

have a different definition of the truth. ;-)

<<So I think, if they ask, what would I say? " Why are you asking that? "

" How is that related to this? " It would

definitely piss me off.>>

The only problem with that, is if you get defensive and start making a

big deal out of it, then they will get defensive and make a bigger deal

out of it. :-( It ticks me off every time, but that is not a battle I

want to wage in the ER with a sick or injured child.

<<I would think, though (maybe I am on some cloud

with this one), that a parent who looks into vaccinations and chooses

not to vaccinate is different from an abusive/neglectful parent who

just never takes their kid to the doctor and doesn't care. You would

HOPE that the medpros would realize that and back off in an ER

confrontation-type situation.>>

Ha Ha, good luck with that one, they judge first and look at the facts

later. They do not take into take into consideration your intelligence,

the thought you've put into it, etc. They've only talked to you for

about 10 minutes total for the hour you were at the hospital. Child

abusers come in many forms, they don't take anyone for granted. :-/

)0(~~~)0(~~~)0(

Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Baby #4 due 05/07.

Vaccine free since 1999.

December 9, 2006

You are correct .

Vaccines are seen as one of the greatest medical

advances of the 20th century. The government and the

medical profession set out to conquer childhood

diseases with universal, artificial immunization in

one generation, and they feel that they succeeded.

Who are you to question their integrity and motives?

--- <OhioVaxInfo@...> wrote:

> <<Again, I'm wondering: if the reason they are

> seeing your child has

> nothing to do with a vaccination-related disease,

> why do they ask? And

> why should it matter?>>

>

> I don't know why they ask, but they do, no matter

> why you are in the ER.

>

> <<I'm not good at lying, and would most likely feel

> like I was lying if I said " yes, they are up-to-date

> on vaccinations "

> like you mentioned below.>>

>

> However, we all believe that our children are as

> up-to-date on their

> vaccinations are WE think they need to be. So, we

> aren't lying, just

> have a different definition of the truth. ;-)

>

> <<So I think, if they ask, what would I say? " Why

> are you asking that? "

> " How is that related to this? " It would

> definitely piss me off.>>

>

> The only problem with that, is if you get defensive

> and start making a

> big deal out of it, then they will get defensive and

> make a bigger deal

> out of it. :-( It ticks me off every time, but

> that is not a battle I

> want to wage in the ER with a sick or injured child.

>

> <<I would think, though (maybe I am on some cloud

> with this one), that a parent who looks into

> vaccinations and chooses

> not to vaccinate is different from an

> abusive/neglectful parent who

> just never takes their kid to the doctor and doesn't

> care. You would

> HOPE that the medpros would realize that and back

> off in an ER

> confrontation-type situation.>>

>

> Ha Ha, good luck with that one, they judge first and

> look at the facts

> later. They do not take into take into

> consideration your intelligence,

> the thought you've put into it, etc. They've only

> talked to you for

> about 10 minutes total for the hour you were at the

> hospital. Child

> abusers come in many forms, they don't take anyone

> for granted. :-/

>

> )0(~~~)0(~~~)0(

> Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01;

> , born

> 06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Baby #4 due

> 05/07.

> Vaccine free since 1999.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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December 10, 2006

I'm with you ; I have a hard time lieing about it and never have. The

doctors are the only ones being neglectful if they chose not to treat a sick

child or dismiss that child from their practice because they don't have their

shots. Again, the whole thing is backwards....Anita

Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote: Again, I'm wondering: if the

reason they are seeing your child has